Originally posted by dterry

I don't remember EVE charging me to get started, they even let me have a free trial period to see if I liked the game.

You are not remembering far enough.  When EVE came out it sold a standard game box for $49.99 ( I still have it sitting on a shelf) and had no free trial.

Originally posted by n0ij

11.77 EUR = 14.9672 USD

They are charging almost $15 a month for what reads to sound like some kind of unfinished Alpha by almost all beta tester reports..

They must be smoking some real good shit if they think they can charge $15 a month for this. That's bordering on insulting...

Insulting to real commercial grade MMO's charging those type of fees. This game is no where even REMOTELY near being able to charge $15 a month...

Yet another over exagerated doom-n-gloom kiddie trying to get a rise out of someone. Please point me to where all of these beta tester reports you claimed to have read, because I've seen far more positive reviews (beta leaks included) than I have negative ones.

And who is this 'real insult' to exactly? I think I can count on one hand just how many good MMOs there are available right now.

Originally posted by n0ij

11.77 EUR = 14.9672 USD

They are charging almost $15 a month for what reads to sound like some kind of unfinished Alpha by almost all beta tester reports..

They must be smoking some real good shit if they think they can charge $15 a month for this. That's bordering on insulting...

Insulting to real commercial grade MMO's charging those type of fees. This game is no where even REMOTELY near being able to charge $15 a month...

eve is 15 a month too that had a rough release wasnt the best at release but eve is good now even tho i dont like that type of game

Originally posted by hauj0bb

Originally posted by n0ij

11.77 EUR = 14.9672 USD

They are charging almost $15 a month for what reads to sound like some kind of unfinished Alpha by almost all beta tester reports..

They must be smoking some real good shit if they think they can charge $15 a month for this. That's bordering on insulting...

Insulting to real commercial grade MMO's charging those type of fees. This game is no where even REMOTELY near being able to charge $15 a month...

 

Yet another over exagerated doom-n-gloom kiddie trying to get a rise out of someone. Please point me to where all of these beta tester reports you claimed to have read, because I've seen far more positive reviews (beta leaks included) than I have negative ones.

 

And who is this 'real insult' to exactly? I think I can count on one hand just how many good MMOs there are available right now.

maybe 2 at best 3 or 4 lmao

Originally posted by Torik

Originally posted by dterry

I don't remember EVE charging me to get started, they even let me have a free trial period to see if I liked the game.

You are not remembering far enough.  When EVE came out it sold a standard game box for $49.99 ( I still have it sitting on a shelf) and had no free trial.

I would be OK with charging the $50 if there were a box and copy of the software with a manual, etc. Paying $50 just for the initial download is still a rip-off. The monthly fee is fine.

Originally posted by n0ij

Originally posted by Aragon100

Look at the trollish OP.

Must be hard for him now when there is something else to play then all the boring carebear games.

Darkfall FTW.
 

Sandbox FTW.

 

Yes.. for the win!

Outdated graphics for the win!

Terrible UI for the win!

Terrible sound for the win!

Horrid animations for the win!

Empy world for the win!

No quests for the win!

Terrible combat for the win!

Ya..

You win.

lol

 

actully theres quite a few quest just kinda hard to find  more will be added empty world is because not all mobs are enabled yet some of the game is hidden from the beta testers beause they didnt want to give everyone in bet a ahuge advantage. but hey whatever Xd.

sounds arent final combat is decent actully meele needs some work but meh its works good enough for release animations are decent not perfect but good enough

 nvm Noij, he was proven wrong on so many counts he needs something to hold onto.

Keep playing on ur last string, its the only ones u trolls have left.

-Darkstar

usually a sandbox has sand in it....

Originally posted by Torik

Originally posted by dterry

I don't remember EVE charging me to get started, they even let me have a free trial period to see if I liked the game.

You are not remembering far enough.  When EVE came out it sold a standard game box for $49.99 ( I still have it sitting on a shelf) and had no free trial.

You specified specifically why it was OK for eve to charge that price and why it is wrong for AV to do the same. With a publisher and physical production costs I can understand the rates proposed. With a digital download, the rates should really be reduced since these costs are not applicable. Charging 35 or 40 would be more reasonable in this instance.

As to the VAT rates, they are going by current Greek standards which is in fact 19%. A little research goes a long way.

That is cheap, as in ill gladly pay 11-12euro per month. and 42 euro for the game, who wants a box anyways, sucks for the environment aswell

no problems with the price

Originally posted by n0ij

Originally posted by zymurgeist

The value of something is a very personal decision.

 

no it isn't. Value is based on industry standards and Darkfall is as far away from commercial industry standard for a pay to play MMO at $15 a month as you can possibly get.

That's what Blizzard charges for their games for christs sake. And Darkfall aint no World of Warcraft production quality...
 

Im not going to spend 30 minutes giving you a economics lesson on utility and market value, but they are two different things. What I think its worth, what you think its worth, and what the market thinks its worth are three completely different things.

For some darkfall will be the sequel to a game many have been waiting for since UO.

For others, darkfall is going to be an ugly piece of crap thats all gankers and assholes.

I agree with you, the MARKET value for Darkfall will be lower than say WoW, and WoW players will hardly value the game at all.

Eve players, Sandbox players, and oldschool UO'ers / Ac'ers will find this game to be a refreshing change of pace.

In Economics you can charge what the market will bare, and the demographic that DF is aiming for will definitely pay this price.

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by Torik

Originally posted by dterry

I don't remember EVE charging me to get started, they even let me have a free trial period to see if I liked the game.

You are not remembering far enough.  When EVE came out it sold a standard game box for $49.99 ( I still have it sitting on a shelf) and had no free trial.

You specified specifically why it was OK for eve to charge that price and why it is wrong for AV to do the same. With a publisher and physical production costs I can understand the rates proposed. With a digital download, the rates should really be reduced since these costs are not applicable. Charging 35 or 40 would be more reasonable in this instance.

As to the VAT rates, they are going by current Greek standards which is in fact 19%. A little research goes a long way.

I disagree, a digital download of the game should cost nothing. You should simply pay the first month's fee. $35-40 is close to paying what you would for a boxed game at a local retailer, so I think it is to steep a price even if you think a nominal fee for the download is appropriate. A nominal download fee would probably be under the $5 mark to be more appropriate in my opinion. But I still think it is a bad business decision to make your customer pay just to download the game. It discourages rather than encourages new business.

the only difference between a digital download of a game, and a box version is the publishing costs. The digital download has bandwidth costs, which I agree are significantly smaller.

However, what we are paying for in both situations, is the development costs of the game. $50.00 its pretty standard fair for that here in the U.S.

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by Torik

Originally posted by dterry

I don't remember EVE charging me to get started, they even let me have a free trial period to see if I liked the game.

You are not remembering far enough.  When EVE came out it sold a standard game box for $49.99 ( I still have it sitting on a shelf) and had no free trial.

You specified specifically why it was OK for eve to charge that price and why it is wrong for AV to do the same. With a publisher and physical production costs I can understand the rates proposed. With a digital download, the rates should really be reduced since these costs are not applicable. Charging 35 or 40 would be more reasonable in this instance.

As to the VAT rates, they are going by current Greek standards which is in fact 19%. A little research goes a long way.

there is going to be boxes remember

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

the only difference between a digital download of a game, and a box version is the publishing costs. The digital download has bandwidth costs, which I agree are significantly smaller.

However, what we are paying for in both situations, is the development costs of the game. $50.00 its pretty standard fair for that here in the U.S.

It is standard, but if we are talking standards we also judge games by quality and not the company making them. Imo it should be more like the $35-40 mark because it is of lesser quality and digital download. Call them indy or whatever, doesn't matter as we are in the same market.

Doesn't matter, give this game 2 months at those prices and there will be a free trial. The name of the game is to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible before lowering prices which always happens. Especially since they are capping the users at what 10k? 

Let's say they had 200k people interested in buying this game on the 25th feb. 100k will not pay the money because they think it is too high even though they do like the game. Let's also assume that half of those people live in NA and want to wait for the NA release. So you still have 50k people trying to get 10-20k spots. They will sell out the server slots only because they limit it to so few people. So as far as a business strategy goes they make the most money.

C'mon preorder is what? 42 euro? I spend more than that on an average saturday night, hanging in a bar, before it's even midnight. Darkfall can't possibly be worse than the average hangover, so yea I'll take a chance and preorder.

Ok ,Guys

Based on the math including the purchase price the game cost .79 cents a day to have an account. Or roughly $200.00 dollars a year. Most MMO's run between $175.00 to $225.00 a year again US dollars.  If this is a back breaker for anyone like not paying rent or buying food then you should NOT BE playing any online games what so ever.  Let alone have internet or cabe TV. For everyone else drink one less soda or smoke a few less cigrattes a week and you can play any game you like.

Originally posted by kikinchaz

The price is actually a big issue for us Europeans, maybe not so much you guys in the US.

 

In the UK it's going to cost around £12.50 a month, and around £40 to preorder.

 

To compare WoW costs £8.99 a month and the box would have been about £25 at launch (now less than £10).

 

Now I'm not just directly comparing WoW but using it as an example as its the same price for almost all normal MMO's out there. The issue is the fact that to play Darkfall monthly will cost over a third more than the industry standard prices - thats a pretty big leap...

I mean I was all for trying out DF for a month and deciding whether I like it or not, but after seeing the prices i'll have to give it a pass.

yep thats why i prob wont be buying it. not sure why i should pay so much more then i did for AoC and War, games i never played for more then a month or 2. i have major doubts about darkfall anyway. think i will pass.

Originally posted by logicwar

Originally posted by kikinchaz

The price is actually a big issue for us Europeans, maybe not so much you guys in the US.

 

In the UK it's going to cost around £12.50 a month, and around £40 to preorder.

 

To compare WoW costs £8.99 a month and the box would have been about £25 at launch (now less than £10).

 

Now I'm not just directly comparing WoW but using it as an example as its the same price for almost all normal MMO's out there. The issue is the fact that to play Darkfall monthly will cost over a third more than the industry standard prices - thats a pretty big leap...

I mean I was all for trying out DF for a month and deciding whether I like it or not, but after seeing the prices i'll have to give it a pass.

 

yep thats why i prob wont be buying it. not sure why i should pay so much more then i did for AoC and War, games i never played for more then a month or 2. i have major doubts about darkfall anyway. think i will pass.

People pay about the same for single player games which they finish in a week or so, so those two months of playing would still be bang for your buck. (And there is still the option that it turns out to be more addictive and entertaining than you had expected).