Originally posted by noij

This game is going to end up making Dark and Light and Mourning look like MMO masterpieces,

 

Ok come on now. Hyperbole is one thing but Mourning? Did you play that piece of shit? The game was vaporware after it released. You would have to go back to BC3K to find a game that failed that hard.

Originally posted by Soldarith

Someone previously in this thread said it best about too many red flags to order this title.

 

IMO, when a title begins to create 2-3 red flags, for me personally, I do not risk investing into it.

 

Dropping/cutting features weeks before release? Red Flag. False, we've known about everything but the 4-legged mahirrim running thing. everything else has been known for 12 months+.

Not lifting the NDA well in advanced of the release? Red Flag. true, but there are plenty of leaks out there, and almost all of them are positive /shrug.

Not conducting at least one stress test on your servers during beta? Red Flag. false, noone outside of Av knows whether there has been a stress test.

Not actually answering questions in repeated interviews? Red Flag. false, quite ridiculous thing to say.

Having only ONE person cable of conducting all the interviews and released news? Red Flag. false, tasos has been doing all the interviews and news for nearly 5 years.

Banning a good number of testers due to posts on testing forums? Red Flag. false. there have been less than 10 beta testers banned; less than 0.1% of the beta tester population.

Changing significant features in the game weeks/days before release? Red Flag. false, what do you think has been changed?

 

Anyways, you get my point.

No, we don't. You're either blatantly lying or just haven't done any research.

Originally posted by strykr619

I love watching people on these forums bash countless games , acting as if they have created a mmorpg themselves.

I have guildies in DFO beta and i sit and listen to them in ventrilo. I've played with these people for a better part of 8 years and I trust their judgement.

They are pre-ordering DFO, so I will pre-ordering it.

In the meanwhile I will sit back and laugh at all of you "armchair" devs here on the boards who think they know everything

Keep bashing the game. Its entertainment..

this is exactly how many people who are in the beta are feeling right now.

You can supply all the rebuttals you want, but the only reason someone playing the beta at present would preorder is that A. they have never played a MMO before or B. they are masochists intent on proving wrong what everyone knows, that this game is another typical indy game which listed grandiose features, but will have few working at release.

To say that this game is a work in progress is being extremely kind.

Most of your statements on this thread have been so contrary to what all the beta leaks say.  The best one was where you were touting the AI.  Well the AI for the guards was so bad they had to put towers in instead.  If that is any indication how bad the coding for this game is then you can pretty much figure out how bad the rest of the game is.

Making repeated attempts at defending what everyone knows to be a very weak game just marks you as deluded.  You will probably be standing on the corner shouting the world is going to end next.

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Originally posted by Ozmodan

 

You can supply all the rebuttals you want, but the only reason someone playing the beta at present would preorder is that A. they have never played a MMO before or B. they are masochists

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Yeah that's why almost all beta testers are preordering or why most voted DF as their favourite and beta MMO right now.

The only reason not to play DF is if you're a WOW-loving carebear. If you like PVP and sandboxes, you will probably like DF.

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Most of your statements on this thread have been so contrary to what all the beta leaks say.  The best one was where you were touting the AI.  Well the AI for the guards was so bad they had to put towers in instead.  If that is any indication how bad the coding for this game is then you can pretty much figure out how bad the rest of the game is.

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Total and complete lying, as usual.

Guard towers have been in Darkfall for 12 months:
"As things stand right now, the guards are in various fixed positions like towers and posts and not roaming around."

You're just another clueless troll/WOW fanboi who can't read, and is cherrypicking all the worst things being reported without even bothering to fact-check them.

WoW has absolutely nothing to do with someone liking this game or not.

Originally posted by javac

 

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Originally posted by Ozmodan

 

You can supply all the rebuttals you want, but the only reason someone playing the beta at present would preorder is that A. they have never played a MMO before or B. they are masochists

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Yeah that's why almost all beta testers are preordering or why most voted DF as their favourite and beta MMO right now.

 

The only reason not to play DF is if you're a WOW-loving carebear. If you like PVP and sandboxes, you will probably like DF.

 

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Most of your statements on this thread have been so contrary to what all the beta leaks say.  The best one was where you were touting the AI.  Well the AI for the guards was so bad they had to put towers in instead.  If that is any indication how bad the coding for this game is then you can pretty much figure out how bad the rest of the game is.

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Total and complete lying, as usual.

 

 

Guard towers have been in Darkfall for 12 months:
"As things stand right now, the guards are in various fixed positions like towers and posts and not roaming around."

You're just another clueless troll/WOW fanboi who can't read, and is cherrypicking all the worst things being reported without even bothering to fact-check them.

 LOL most beta testers are preordering because there was only like 5 beta testers and if 3 preorder that is most .

Originally posted by Deadm0ney4u

 LOL most beta testers are preordering because there was only like 5 beta testers and if 3 preorder that is most .

yeah that's why there are leaks showing beta forum polls with 1000+ votes in them.

1/10.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Deadm0ney4u

 LOL most beta testers are preordering because there was only like 5 beta testers and if 3 preorder that is most .

 

yeah that's why there are leaks showing beta forum polls with 1000+ votes in them.

 

1/10.

Are you still here?  I would've assumed you'd have run for the hills or one of your many international conferences by now.

Or at least answered questions asked directly at you...

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Soldarith

Someone previously in this thread said it best about too many red flags to order this title.

 

IMO, when a title begins to create 2-3 red flags, for me personally, I do not risk investing into it.

 

Dropping/cutting features weeks before release? Red Flag. False, we've known about everything but the 4-legged mahirrim running thing. everything else has been known for 12 months+. What about all the features that are supposedly ready and just need "activating"? What about the completely wrong FAQ and Feature list? You DON'T release a product to supermarkets with outdated ingredient lists and say "we didn't have the money to change it but we went ahead and sold it anyway".

Not lifting the NDA well in advanced of the release? Red Flag. true, but there are plenty of leaks out there, and almost all of them are positive /shrug. Hidden away on some illegal underground website that almost no-one knows about, heavily moderated by either adventurine or their cronies. Far, far away from mainstream sites and magazines that millions of people read in order to formulate an opinion on their purchase. Where people have equal opportunity to express their opinion wether good or bad, troll or fanboys (sadly) included.

Not conducting at least one stress test on your servers during beta? Red Flag. false, noone outside of Av knows whether there has been a stress test. A few hundred players are in beta and leaks and tester reviews are seaping out like water from a paper bag. if 10.000+ people had stress tested it we'd know. Utter BULLSHIT.

Not actually answering questions in repeated interviews? Red Flag. false, quite ridiculous thing to say. Sure... What have you learned from this interview then? 

Having only ONE person cable of conducting all the interviews and released news? Red Flag. false, tasos has been doing all the interviews and news for nearly 5 years.

No, True, that's exactly what he was just saying......................................

Banning a good number of testers due to posts on testing forums? Red Flag. false. there have been less than 10 beta testers banned; less than 0.1% of the beta tester population.

10 = less 0.1% huh? I consider myself terrible at maths but does'nt that mean 10.000+ testers? I'm sick and tired of your bullshit man, this is really taking it to extremes now. And you pulled that 10 number straight out of your ass along with all the flying monkeys that came with it.  

Changing significant features in the game weeks/days before release? Red Flag. false, what do you think has been changed? Towers, and safe zones. Universal Banks as opposed to trading. Are there any more?

 

Anyways, you get my point.

 

No, we don't. You're either blatantly lying or just haven't done any research.

Try again, i dare you.

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Are you still here?  I would've assumed you'd have run for the hills or one of your many international conferences by now.

Or at least answered questions asked directly at you...

Was going to say the same thing to you: after you were shown to know jack shit about IT after boldly professing to know all about MMO server infrastructure i would've assumed you'd know when to stop embarrassing yourself.

if you want me to answer questions i'll PM a paypal account you can donate to at a reasonable rate. no money, no obligation to respond.

Originally posted by r0guy

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Soldarith

Someone previously in this thread said it best about too many red flags to order this title.

 

IMO, when a title begins to create 2-3 red flags, for me personally, I do not risk investing into it.

 

Dropping/cutting features weeks before release? Red Flag. False, we've known about everything but the 4-legged mahirrim running thing. everything else has been known for 12 months+. What about all the features that are supposedly ready and just need "activating"? What about the completely wrong FAQ and Feature list? You DON'T release a product to supermarkets with outdated ingredient lists and say "we didn't have the money to change it but we went ahead and sold it anyway".

go ahead and list them then.

 

Not lifting the NDA well in advanced of the release? Red Flag. true, but there are plenty of leaks out there, and almost all of them are positive /shrug. Hidden away on some illegal underground website that almost no-one knows about, heavily moderated by either adventurine or their cronies. Far, far away from mainstream sites and magazines that millions of people read in order to formulate an opinion on their purchase. Where people have equal opportunity to express their opinion wether good or bad, troll or fanboys (sadly) included.

this is your 1 valid point. relax, there will be mainstream reviews if you're too inept or distrusting to google for the numerous beta leaks.

 

Not conducting at least one stress test on your servers during beta? Red Flag. false, noone outside of Av knows whether there has been a stress test. A few hundred players are in beta and leaks and tester reviews are seaping out like water from a paper bag. if 10.000+ people had stress tested it we'd know. Utter BULLSHIT.

if you *were* informed enough to be familiar with the beta leaks you'd have seen beta forum polls with 1000+ votes on them that are only 24-72 hours old. common sense says there are *at least* more than 1000 beta testers.

 

Not actually answering questions in repeated interviews? Red Flag. false, quite ridiculous thing to say. Sure... What have you learned from this interview then? 

why do you think you're entitled to an answer to every question? you haven't paid for anything. answers will be available before release, that's enough. get over it.

 

Having only ONE person cable of conducting all the interviews and released news? Red Flag. false, tasos has been doing all the interviews and news for nearly 5 years.

No, True, that's exactly what he was just saying......................................

is there even a point here?

 

Banning a good number of testers due to posts on testing forums? Red Flag. false. there have been less than 10 beta testers banned; less than 0.1% of the beta tester population.

10 = less 0.1% huh? I consider myself terrible at maths but does'nt that mean 10.000+ testers? I'm sick and tired of your bullshit man, this is really taking it to extremes now. And you pulled that 10 number straight out of your ass along with all the flying monkeys that came with it.  

jesus christ. 10/1000 == 0.1%.

 

Changing significant features in the game weeks/days before release? Red Flag. false, what do you think has been changed? Towers, and safe zones. Universal Banks as opposed to trading. Are there any more?

universal banks have been in the game for over a year. guard towers replacing roaming guards have been in the game for over a year too. i even supplied a link for it.

 

No, we don't. You're either blatantly lying or just haven't done any research.

Try again, i dare you.

It's amazing that someone too dumb to calculate 10/1000 = 0.1% or use google to find basic facts is even able to use a computer.

once again: if DF doesn't sound good to you: DON'T BUY IT. why is this so hard to understand?

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Are you still here?  I would've assumed you'd have run for the hills or one of your many international conferences by now.

Or at least answered questions asked directly at you...

 

Was going to say the same thing to you: after you were shown to know jack shit about IT after boldly professing to know all about MMO server infrastructure i would've assumed you'd know when to stop embarrassing yourself.

 

Don't think no one else has noticed you're dodging the question, Doctor "wtfpwn".

Do all Darkfall articles dating back to 2003 Timeframe contain fully, up to date, information?

Originally posted by r0guy

Do all Darkfall articles dating back to 2003 Timeframe contain fully, up to date, information?

this has the same answer as: do people/developers sometimes change their mind during development?

however when you spend 6-12 months developing a model for distributed computing that your entire game is built upon, you tend to stick with it.

just like if you're building a skyscraper, you're probably not going to change the foundations once it's up.

Originally posted by r0guy

Don't think no one else has noticed you're dodging the question, Doctor "wtfpwn".

do you seriously think professionals (especially IT professionals) don't play games and are familar with internet culture?

btw your poll is funny; like that makes any difference to the argument at hand. you kids are funny.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by r0guy

Do all Darkfall articles dating back to 2003 Timeframe contain fully, up to date, information?

 

this has the same answer as: do people/developers sometimes change their mind during development?

 

however when you spend 6-12 months developing a model for distributed computing that your entire game is built upon, you tend to stick with it.

 

just like if you're building a skyscraper, you're probably not going to change the foundations once it's up.

So, what you're saying, is that they're using servers from 2003 to run the game?

..cause that would explain alot..

posted by javac.

"It's amazing that someone too dumb to calculate 10/1000 = 0.1% or use google to find basic facts is even able to use a computer."

10/1000 = 0.01

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by r0guy

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Soldarith 

 

 

Banning a good number of testers due to posts on testing forums? Red Flag. false. there have been less than 10 beta testers banned; less than 0.1% of the beta tester population.

 

10 = less 0.1% huh? I consider myself terrible at maths but does'nt that mean 10.000+ testers? I'm sick and tired of your bullshit man, this is really taking it to extremes now. And you pulled that 10 number straight out of your ass along with all the flying monkeys that came with it.  

jesus christ. 10/1000 == 0.1%.

 

 

 

It's amazing that someone too dumb to calculate 10/1000 = 0.1% or use google to find basic facts is even able to use a computer.

Ouch all i can say is....

SELF-OWNED!

Now this ^ ladies and gentlemen is how legendary sigs are born!

Ohhhhhhh man i wouldn't want to be the guy who claimed he has a PHD in order to "prove" his points!

Ohhhhhhh man i won't let you forget this one for awhile!

Ohhhhhhh man I can't stop laughing!

*edit* Tweaking and decorating THE post of EPIC WIN! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Originally posted by gruminator
posted by javac.
"It's amazing that someone too dumb to calculate 10/1000 = 0.1% or use google to find basic facts is even able to use a computer."
10/1000 = 0.01

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10/10000 = 0,1%

0,1% = 0,1/100 = 1/1.000 = 10/10.000 = 100/100.000

Or in his case,

10/1000 = 0,01%

So, yes, the original poster, the guy "bad" at math, was right . . .

10 beta testers out 10.000 possible on servers, is actually 0,1% of the max server population.

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

So, what you're saying, is that they're using servers from 2003 to run the game?

..cause that would explain alot..

distributed server *code* genius.

Originally posted by Tuche

 

 

10/10000 = 0,1%

0,1% = 0,1/100 = 1/1.000 = 10/10.000 = 100/100.000

Or in his case,

10/1000 = 0,01%

oops, my bad. PhDs make mistakes too. least i'm man enough to admit when you guys get proven wrong over and over and either deny it or just keeping telling lies.

so, less than 1% of beta testers booted from beta for trolling. still doesn't change the original point.

Not shitting on you, we are humans.

Originally posted by Tuche

 

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Originally posted by gruminator
posted by javac.
"It's amazing that someone too dumb to calculate 10/1000 = 0.1% or use google to find basic facts is even able to use a computer."
10/1000 = 0.01

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10/10000 = 0,1%

0,1% = 0,1/100 = 1/1.000 = 10/10.000 = 100/100.000

Or in his case,

10/1000 = 0,01%

Give Javac a break, he is a big international computer geek so he was probably thinking in binary or octal, yeah that's the ticket he was using a different number base that all you ignorant mmorpg.com trolls can't understand.

It is a number base that comes from the land of Aventurine make believe.

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Now to my real point:

Just perused my favorite hard core bad ass guild board to see what they were saying about Dark and Fail. Oh boy are they really "happy" with it. Steaming pile is being complimentary to it over there. These are guys that brought fear into the hearts of many people back on the Sullon Zek server. Sounds like they got a guild invite and they are slaughtering this POS. 2 big complaints are either UI blows chunks or that combat mechanics make WAR look good.

Can't wait for the 25th, hell may have to call in sick that day

Originally posted by r0guy

SELF-OWNED

lol, you've self-owned yourself like 5 times in this thread already getting basic facts wrong.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by r0guy

SELF-OWNED

lol, you've self-owned yourself like 5 times in this thread already getting basic facts wrong.

And you're STILL not answering all the questions because

A) You don't know the answer.
2) You don't have the information (which, don't feel bad, nobody seems to).
Lastly) You're only picking battles you think you have a remote chance of possibly winning.

...you're losing at "lastly", by the way Dr "wtfpwn"