I don't know about anyone else, but I've spent $50+ on too many games, both single player and mmo that stunk,  to ever buy into the hype (no pun intended) again. I've just been burned too many times and don't need to increase my coaster collection.

All these shenanigans with DF simply changed "wait and see" to "wait even longer and see".

Anyone that buys into the whole pre-order thing with all the BS and broken promises from the devs (even before release, which is kind of a first, no open beta, no pre-order etc) deserves what they get.

Maybe the OP has $50 to throw away these days, but I work hard for my $$$.

Originally posted by daarco 

But why is it so hard to understand that people felt ripped off by AoC...but that was ok? Funcom invested alot of money and manpower  into hyping AoC. But by doing that, it was ok to scam people, because of the adds!

Aventurine have not put a cent on hyping DF, and because of that.....if it turns out you dont like it..its a scam???

I don't think people say AoC was okay, the ones that preordered at least. Even if it's their fault for doing so, AoC is still used as  a reference for unfinished games, it became much like a joke to many people.

My question is about "not hyping DF". What?

You don't need millionaire marketing campaigns for hyping a game. You just claim it's extremely detailed, make a huge list of features and people will get shocked at how good your game conceptually is.

Don't want hype? Keep it silent, don't promise the world, especially during interviews, and people will still get interested by the core of your game, just not "omg this game has everything!!!!111" that's hype in my book.

For example,  here goes a compilation of the proposed features (many won't be in) obtained from articles interviews and the official site. From forumfall by the way.

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Originally posted by dropp

FACT IS - people will get scammed when they buy Darkfall,lose some money. that's it.

When they get scammed well, too bad. but shit happens.THIS STUFF HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

This game will fail and be mediocre. If people are willing to take the risk and pre-order, they shouldnt. But this risk is only with Darkfall, not with every game. I've bought AoC and I didn't like it, and I did beta tested it before I paid. now my account is collecting dust.

conclusion: no way to know if Darkfall will succeed or fail before it launches because Tasos is not saying anything and hoping to make a few dollars from pre orders before he does a runner to his desert island.Even fanbois know in their heart of hearts it is NOT gonna launch on the 25th.

 

 

I went to run spellchecker on your post but accidentally hit BScleaner,still some left though

I agree with the OP very much.

Next to that, there is a ton of information and movies on the internet even without the NDA lift. We are living in a time where we don't need official reviews to be able to reach our own conclusions whether we probably will or won't like a game. The downsides of DF are obvious, just like the positives.

All those 'This game is a scam you are warned don't buy it they are lying' threads aren't helping anyone. Of all the negative critisism here only a fraction is based on facts or constructively put. All the rest is just saliva, frothing from uncertain, angry mouths trying to accomplish a self fulffilling prophecy of failure by repeating their negative tantrums again and again and again. We are very much able to reach our own conclusions, thank you very much.

Bottom line: whatever will happen, the Greek games industry and economy will get a nice little boost from your investment. Ask yourself, how can I help to overcome the economic crisis? :P

If it's only money to you, well then, have a great life. Have fun being wealthy. Some people do not want to waste their hard earned money on something they beleive will fail. That's fine.

I really doubt you are going to force people to by the game, nor dislike it. This is why i don't see the reasoning in the troll vs. fanboi attacks.

It will take a failed game to make the fanboys see that their game isn't what it was put out to be. The trolls on the other hand need a succeeded game to show them its a good game.

That's just where I stand. I will be trying out Darkfall. If It's good, it's good. Not, well to bad for me.

Originally posted by dhayes68

Its not about the money directly. It about letting yourself be ripped off. Yes, its only money, but I don't willingly let people take advantage of me. There are smart consumers and their are suckers. I prefer to not be a sucker.

If it turns out Aventurine is working the launch by being dishonest or underhanded in someway in order to sucker more people into paying for something they wouldn't have otherwise and end up with something they neither wanted or needed then people are right to be upset. Its not about the money, its about whether you stand up for yourself when someone tries to screw you over.

If a you give a cashier a 20, but they give you back change for a 10, do you walk away and say "its only money"?

What he said.

A pack of oreos chocolate cookies costs € 1,29 and 1L of Half Fat milk costs € 0,59 around here. Lets not talk about the rest of stuff real ppl have to pay for monthly. 50€ and a monthly fee is a hard hit on anyone's pocket.

I for once welcome all the warnings the community give about possible scam related activities so that my cookie and milk money won't go to some sleaze bags pockets. Might not be the case of Adventurine but that things always looked fishy surrounding Darkfall noone can deny (except their delusional fanboys/employees).

my 2 cents. (now im 2 cents shorter for my milk pack)

Originally posted by vmoped

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by noij

ok if it's only money than can you pre order a few games for me?

 

My Son would like a Playstation 3 and an ATV, he says it's only money too, can you send the cash by paypal or will you need an address to send a cheque?

A game costs around $50.

A ps3 cousts $400+ and an ATV costs alot more as well.

Bad comparisons. I spend $50 all the time buying new single player games and don't even get a week of entertainment. I have yet to spend $50 on an mmo and get less than a month of entertainment. This site is getting ridiculous with all the "experts' and "genius'" who like to tell us how we should live our lives, or judge people who follow whatever game interests them. You people should really grow up.

Cheers!

Darkfall doesn't cost $50 dollars.  It costs $50 dollars AND your credit card information.  I'll spot you the $50 dollars, but would you mind sending me your credit card info?  That is where Dark and Light ripped people off, double charging and the like.  Spending the 50 dollars on a product isn't the real issue (for me at least).
 

"It's only money."  -Bernard Madoff

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by dhayes68

Its not about the money directly. It about letting yourself be ripped off. Yes, its only money, but I don't willingly let people take advantage of me. There are smart consumers and their are suckers. I prefer to not be a sucker.

If it turns out Aventurine is working the launch by being dishonest or underhanded in someway in order to sucker more people into paying for something they wouldn't have otherwise and end up with something they neither wanted or needed then people are right to be upset. Its not about the money, its about whether you stand up for yourself when someone tries to screw you over.

If a you give a cashier a 20, but they give you back change for a 10, do you walk away and say "its only money"?

What he said.

Yup, says it all...

"...how many of you paid for a meal that tasted like shit?"

You would think someone would stop eating after that first pooey bite...

 What kind of person would have a retarded mentality that would make him belive that letting himself be ripped off is of no importance,better yet tell others to do the same.

 It's like you would vote for hitler even if you were a jew: hey I know he hates jews and will kill us all,but I belive and support him,you should too!

Originally posted by dropp

edit: this has nothing to do with poverty. people who can't afford MMOs shouldn't even bother with Darkfall, or any other MMO. and for the record, I have money problems myself, and so does my whole family, but I still make stupid gaming purchases here and there because I don't spend my money and other things other than the essentials, so I allow myself to make mistakes. 

edit2: and to all you guys who "value money so much", may I ask what you do with your money? if you're here, you're obviously spending it on MMOs. I'm pretty sure a lot of people in this world view MMOs as a waste of money.

I will explain this to you since you seem to be asking a genuine question.

edit 1) Your situation is not uncommon, but very unhealthy. There is a difference between treating yourself and being irresponsible with money. For example if you said you wait and research a game before making any purchase, but on occasion treat yourself when you know the value is there... I could completely agree with that. However, that is not what you are saying. You are saying that spending $50 on an unknown quality game without having the ability to test is no big deal.... that is irresponsible, even more so if money is an issue for you.

No one is telling anyone they cannot buy the game, but don't pretend it is anything but an irresponsible action. This goes for anything you cannot test for yourself.

edit 2) If you really are 20 then you have not grown to understand that in order to not work until you are 90, you will have to save and invest. The sooner you do this, the less you will have to put in each year. Wait until your 30s and you will end up sacrificing a chunk of everything you ear just to have a home/family/future. This goes for any wealth bracket unless you become independently wealth (better chance getting killed in a car).

Another thing that no one has addressed is the affect spending has on the industry. Why do you think the MMO market has been crap? Companies are starting to focus on low quality projects that they can hype in order to make a large initial return then shop the game to another company.

By taking these risks which seem insignificant when combined with the thousands of others doing the same thing companies learn to exploit this behavior. Anyone who spends money on this type of risk removes any right to complain about the MMOs on the market today. Consumers have a significant impact on shaping industries like this one. Have some high profile failures and companies stop trying what does not work.

This response is about the industry in general, but chances are some fanboi will take this as an attack on DF.

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by dropp

edit: this has nothing to do with poverty. people who can't afford MMOs shouldn't even bother with Darkfall, or any other MMO. and for the record, I have money problems myself, and so does my whole family, but I still make stupid gaming purchases here and there because I don't spend my money and other things other than the essentials, so I allow myself to make mistakes. 

edit2: and to all you guys who "value money so much", may I ask what you do with your money? if you're here, you're obviously spending it on MMOs. I'm pretty sure a lot of people in this world view MMOs as a waste of money.

I will explain this to you since you seem to be asking a genuine question.

edit 1) Your situation is not uncommon, but very unhealthy. There is a difference between treating yourself and being irresponsible with money. For example if you said you wait and research a game before making any purchase, but on occasion treat yourself when you know the value is there... I could completely agree with that. However, that is not what you are saying. You are saying that spending $50 on an unknown quality game without having the ability to test is no big deal.... that is irresponsible, even more so if money is an issue for you.

No one is telling anyone they cannot buy the game, but don't pretend it is anything but an irresponsible action. This goes for anything you cannot test for yourself.

 

edit 2) If you really are 20 then you have not grown to understand that in order to not work until you are 90, you will have to save and invest. The sooner you do this, the less you will have to put in each year. Wait until your 30s and you will end up sacrificing a chunk of everything you ear just to have a home/family/future. This goes for any wealth bracket unless you become independently wealth (better chance getting killed in a car).

Another thing that no one has addressed is the affect spending has on the industry. Why do you think the MMO market has been crap? Companies are starting to focus on low quality projects that they can hype in order to make a large initial return then shop the game to another company.

By taking these risks which seem insignificant when combined with the thousands of others doing the same thing companies learn to exploit this behavior. Anyone who spends money on this type of risk removes any right to complain about the MMOs on the market today. Consumers have a significant impact on shaping industries like this one. Have some high profile failures and companies stop trying what does not work.

This response is about the industry in general, but chances are some fanboi will take this as an attack on DF.

Agreed.

Even though I have enough money to blow on what ever I feel like and not worry about it, I dont just throw money away without thinking about it. If I did that I wouldnt be where I am today; House fully paid off, Both cars paid off and enough money in the bank that I wont have to work a 40 hour week ever again. And thats great because it means more time to spend with my kid. Also leaves me enough time and money to spend sitting on the front steps of my house drinking a beer and wielding a shotgun when she starts dating!

And as Atziluth has said, the industry sees the whole "Pffft, its only money..." mentality and think "well, they dont seem to care, so we dont really need to work as hard..." hence giving us nothing but shovelware that could have used a lot more time in development and testing. It has even become so bad that even console game companies have moved to the whole "Push it now, Patch it later" train of thought. Its just sad that when you buy a new game you have to wait weeks/months for it to work properly because the industry knows that people are willing to take it.

And yes, before anyone pulls the "an MMO is never finished..." card, I know this. I know MMOs are never finished even years after release. But there should be some standard of quality upon release. The only way we would ever see such a standard is if the consumer would just once take a step back and say "You have to do a little better than this"

I got a piece of shit Ugo sitting in my yard for sale, only  $6,000 and its yours. Hay it's only money right, I need to pay bills so what do you care. Support me and buy my piece of junk. Think of the potential that piece of junk has when you buy it off my hands.

It is feature complete : It has a rear window defogger, so it will keep your hands warm when your pushing that piece of junk off my yard.

Originally posted by stayontarget

I got a piece of shit Ugo sitting in my yard for sale, only  $6,000 and its yours. Hay it's only money right, I need to pay bills so waht do you care. Support me and buy my piece of junk. Think of the potential that piece of junk has when you buy it off my hands.

It is feature complete : It has a rear window defogger, so it will keep your hands warm when your pushing that piece of junk off my yard.

so you sign on to mmorpg.com....go into every DF thread and just post whatever comes to mind to let people know that you think DF sucks?

When is your book comming out?  I want to change my life....

Originally posted by stayontarget

I got a piece of shit Ugo sitting in my yard for sale, only  $6,000 and its yours. Hay it's only money right, I need to pay bills so what do you care. Support me and buy my piece of junk. Think of the potential that piece of junk has when you buy it off my hands.

It is feature complete : It has a rear window defogger, so it will keep your hands warm when your pushing that piece of junk off my yard.

won't your parents be mad for selling the family car?

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by stayontarget

I got a piece of shit Ugo sitting in my yard for sale, only  $6,000 and its yours. Hay it's only money right, I need to pay bills so waht do you care. Support me and buy my piece of junk. Think of the potential that piece of junk has when you buy it off my hands.

It is feature complete : It has a rear window defogger, so it will keep your hands warm when your pushing that piece of junk off my yard.

 

so you sign on to mmorpg.com....go into every DF thread and just post whatever comes to mind to let people know that you think DF sucks?

When is your book comming out?  I want to change my life....

No, I have been following this game just as much as you have, And I have come to the "end game" before you have, that's all.  Let me know when you have figured out the end game of DF so we can compare notes.

Originally posted by wallet113

Originally posted by stayontarget

I got a piece of shit Ugo sitting in my yard for sale, only  $6,000 and its yours. Hay it's only money right, I need to pay bills so what do you care. Support me and buy my piece of junk. Think of the potential that piece of junk has when you buy it off my hands.

It is feature complete : It has a rear window defogger, so it will keep your hands warm when your pushing that piece of junk off my yard.

 

won't your parents be mad for selling the family car?

We up graded years ago, just looking for a sucker that's all.

Originally posted by sanedor

Originally posted by dropp

well, I'm reading this forum and I'm getting tired of all the warning posts and whatnot.

tbh, I'm not a fan of the game, but then again I'm starting to hate all MMOs right now. anyway, people take this situation with Darkfall way too seriously. I don't blame the trolls nor the fanboys, it's basically always like this for every game and even other stuff, like consoles.

FACT IS - it's only money. if people will get scammed when they buy Darkfall, they lose some money. that's it.

if they DON'T get scammed but get a game they don't enjoy, well, too bad. but that shit happens all the time. how many of you went to a movie you disliked? how many of you paid for a meal that tasted like shit? how many of you bought a game you never liked?--- THIS STUFF HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. it's nothing new.

this game will either succeed, fail or be mediocre. if people are willing to take the risk and pre-order, they should. but this risk is not only with Darkfall, it's with every game. I've bought AoC and I didn't like it, and I did beta tested it before I paid. now my account is collecting dust.

conclusion: no way to know if a game will succeed or fail before it launches, and even then you might need to wait a few months.

 

 

That has to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard, and since you are 20 i would say it's because you live in your  mom's basement and have no ideal of money.  Hey maybe if your lucky they will take your credit card info and max it out< i mean your mothers card>  only money .. please  get a job and earn some and see then.. and don'y come back with any i have a job crap.. that statement shows you don't 

ROFLOL!!!

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by stayontarget

I got a piece of shit Ugo sitting in my yard for sale, only  $6,000 and its yours. Hay it's only money right, I need to pay bills so waht do you care. Support me and buy my piece of junk. Think of the potential that piece of junk has when you buy it off my hands.

It is feature complete : It has a rear window defogger, so it will keep your hands warm when your pushing that piece of junk off my yard.

 

so you sign on to mmorpg.com....go into every DF thread and just post whatever comes to mind to let people know that you think DF sucks?

When is your book comming out?  I want to change my life....

No, I have been following this game just as much as you have, And I have come to the "end game" before you have, that's all.  Let me know when you have figured out the end game of DF so we can compare notes.

if it was anything like UO back in the day...there was no real end game and no instances. I would like it alot actually.

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by stayontarget

I got a piece of shit Ugo sitting in my yard for sale, only  $6,000 and its yours. Hay it's only money right, I need to pay bills so waht do you care. Support me and buy my piece of junk. Think of the potential that piece of junk has when you buy it off my hands.

It is feature complete : It has a rear window defogger, so it will keep your hands warm when your pushing that piece of junk off my yard.

 

so you sign on to mmorpg.com....go into every DF thread and just post whatever comes to mind to let people know that you think DF sucks?

When is your book comming out?  I want to change my life....

No, I have been following this game just as much as you have, And I have come to the "end game" before you have, that's all.  Let me know when you have figured out the end game of DF so we can compare notes.

wow pretty sad man...

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by stayontarget

I got a piece of shit Ugo sitting in my yard for sale, only  $6,000 and its yours. Hay it's only money right, I need to pay bills so waht do you care. Support me and buy my piece of junk. Think of the potential that piece of junk has when you buy it off my hands.

It is feature complete : It has a rear window defogger, so it will keep your hands warm when your pushing that piece of junk off my yard.

 

so you sign on to mmorpg.com....go into every DF thread and just post whatever comes to mind to let people know that you think DF sucks?

When is your book comming out?  I want to change my life....

No, I have been following this game just as much as you have, And I have come to the "end game" before you have, that's all.  Let me know when you have figured out the end game of DF so we can compare notes.

wow pretty sad man...

 

Not sad, just observation,. You should try it some time. Be objective. Look outside the box, remove your fanboi sunglasses and see what kind of product it really is. This game and AV is in a sad state and nothing you can say will change that fact.  Expect the 25th to go by with yet another delay.

i agree with the op if you worrying about spending money on videogames so much then maybe you should concentrate on paying your bills instead of buying a game. i put aside a little money every paycheck to buy videogames but its not all i do. really money is not a huge deal to me as long as i can live in a little apartment or whatever im fine with it. i dont worship money and i think that ppl who do are idiots. you need to have fun in life, be cautious yes but also have fun.

Originally posted by wallet113

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by stayontarget

I got a piece of shit Ugo sitting in my yard for sale, only  $6,000 and its yours. Hay it's only money right, I need to pay bills so waht do you care. Support me and buy my piece of junk. Think of the potential that piece of junk has when you buy it off my hands.

It is feature complete : It has a rear window defogger, so it will keep your hands warm when your pushing that piece of junk off my yard.

 

so you sign on to mmorpg.com....go into every DF thread and just post whatever comes to mind to let people know that you think DF sucks?

When is your book comming out?  I want to change my life....

No, I have been following this game just as much as you have, And I have come to the "end game" before you have, that's all.  Let me know when you have figured out the end game of DF so we can compare notes.

 

if it was anything like UO back in the day...there was no real end game and no instances. I would like it alot actually.

You are missing my point "df end game= bad game"