What in the world inspired these clowns to try to make a MMO project as their first ever experience in game development? Maybe make a tetris clone, or get some experience working on the next bejeweled. Anything but starting by making an MMO for gods sake!

Modern game development is more difficult and complex than brain surgery and rocket science combined. So when a group of tards get together and 'make a game', especially one requiring the scope of an MMO production, the failure is monumental.

This games developers remind me of those TV commercials showing 2 fat teenagers in heavy metal shirts sitting on a couch in a dimly lit trailer trash living room holding playstation controlers. One looks to the other and says "Dude, I can make this game better!" Then the narrater comes on "Yes you can, at the Game Design Institute of Maryland". 2 years later, these two autistic teens are hanging out in the all the expensive spots, spending investors money on the finest of ladies, telling them about the revolutionary game they are making. 10 years later, they have to keep moving from place to place as the investors keep finding them and demanding repayment. They remember the carefree life they once had, sitting on the couch with the lights off, the blue light of the TV flashing a stream of endless forgiveness at them. They think of the promise of 'making the ultimate pvp game'. They think of the McDonalds jobs that await them. And they think of the audience, who just might be milk-able for one last cash grab.
 

Originally posted by vonomous

What in the world inspired these clowns to try to make a MMO project as their first ever experience in game development? Maybe make a tetris clone, or get some experience working on the next bejeweled. Anything but starting by making an MMO for gods sake!

Modern game development is more difficult and complex than brain surgery and rocket science combined. So when a group of tards get together and 'make a game', especially one requiring the scope of an MMO production, the failure is monumental.

This games developers remind me of those TV commercials showing 2 fat teenagers in heavy metal shirts sitting on a couch in a dimly lit trailer trash living room holding playstation controlers. One looks to the other and says "Dude, I can make this game better!" Then the narrater comes on "Yes you can, at the Game Design Institute of Maryland". 2 years later, these two autistic teens are hanging out in the all the expensive spots, spending investors money on the finest of ladies, telling them about the revolutionary game they are making. 10 years later, they have to keep moving from place to place as the investors keep finding them and demanding repayment. They remember the carefree life they once had, sitting on the couch with the lights off, the blue light of the TV flashing a stream of endless forgiveness at them. They think of the promise of 'making the ultimate pvp game'. They think of the McDonalds jobs that await them. And they think of the audience, who just might be milk-able for one last cash grab.
 

 

Just because its their 1st game doesnt mean that they do not have experience making other games before the company was made. This isnt a group of fresh from school to proyect people. We do not know their backrounds so we cannot make a direct judgement.

However. Of what i see is they are biting more than they can chew.  They did have a great idea in mind but took to much to handle.  What they should have did was make the core idea of their game and add the features they wanted to implememnt little by little.

they could have had the core element of the game out  years ago. prob then add naval battle and how weather affects it ect.

As it is now and well thanks to many companies who been releasing half baked mmos many people like me are catious to step in a game like this. Not for its features but for how its being handled. NDA still up. limited access to game NO open beta. while I know the game does exsist and seen videos.  there is to much going on to make me want to play this game. I want to see how it turns out before spending money on this game. Its to obscure and smells like a scam to me(till nda is out ill see it as so)

Other companies have made an MMO as their first game and done just fine at it.  Competence matters more than experience, even if the two are correlated. 

Well they seem to be doing a good job of it....

Say what you will about DF, they have a lot of attention and over there they are very popular right now.  You people are amazing and I think you may be bitter about how people are viewing them as successful just because you dont enjoy their game concepts.

Trust me some  have been playing the game for awhile, and these guys, for a first project, are doing one incredible job.

Originally posted by originalegg

Well they seem to be doing a good job of it....

Say what you will about DF, they have a lot of attention and over there they are very popular right now.  You people are amazing and I think you may be bitter about how people are viewing them as successful just because you dont enjoy their game concepts.

Trust me some of us have been playing the game for awhile, and these guys, for a first project, are doing one incredible job.

So just what capacity are you employed by Aventurine?

Are you a dev, producer, artist, programmer?

If none of these then either you are a paid shill or someone that is blatantly breaking the NDA and therefore just as suspect as all the "trolls" that post with factual information of how bad the game is in beta, or......someone that is just shooting off their mouth with no basis in fact at all (I vote for this one)

Im guessing they decided to do it to be the first to make a next gen mmo. And in Greece Im sure the standards aren't as high as they are here. Keep in mind this is the country that invented anal sex..so again Im thinking they are just keeping up with the pioneer spirit in a diffrent medium.

Originally posted by originalegg

Well they seem to be doing a good job of it....

Say what you will about DF, they have a lot of attention and over there they are very popular right now.  You people are amazing and I think you may be bitter about how people are viewing them as successful just because you dont enjoy their game concepts.

Trust me some of us have been playing the game for awhile, and these guys, for a first project, are doing one incredible job.

Though I have to agree, I just want to comment on, "DF is very popular right now". You know crap attracts a lot of flies, don't you? Just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good.

However, that's not the case with Darkfall. Just keep it in mind originalegg, I wouldn't use it as a pro-DF argument anymore.

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My guess is they were a bunch of idealist who started on this project during the time the first generations of mmorpg's where getting successfull and they reckoned; hey, the sandbox aspect is missing out on some of them; we can do that better. Seeing the wide scope of the Darkfall project and the zealously sticking to a sandbox concept they had to be a fairly idealistic bunch.

Their 'start' is pretty well documented

They played UO.. and got very upset when Trammel was introduced.  They 'vowed' to make a game like UO before Trammel.

The problem is their game has not advanced in the past 8 years.  It has very old gameplay (autoattack), and does not have many of the features that made UO fun back then (like housing).  

Darkfall is like taking a very old game,  adding nothing, removing lots, and then trying to say it is 'next generation'.

Originally posted by Alandora

Their 'start' is pretty well documented

They played UO.. and got very upset when Trammel was introduced.  They 'vowed' to make a game like UO before Trammel.

The problem is their game has not advanced in the past 8 years.  It has very old gameplay (autoattack), and does not have many of the features that made UO fun back then (like housing).  

Darkfall is like taking a very old game,  adding nothing, removing lots, and then trying to say it is 'next generation'.

Are we talking about the same game?

Autoattack?  Did you mean to say "not" autoattack?  Do you know what autoattack means?

Different weapons have different reaches...manually timing your blocks if you have a shield...managing your stamina...aiming your attacks...dodging other range attacks...leading your target....elevation making a huge difference (not magically homing arrows and fireballs that go through walls)....no.....lock...on....target.....

Cmon if you are going to make stuff up....at least make stuff up that isnt so blatantly and obviously incorrect.

Only one issue... you haven't played it! Now, I'm not any kind of 'fanboi' frankly, I don't know if this thing will ever come out. But you shouldn't EVER be ditching a game and insulting it before you play it. Many developers make grand entrances into the market and are successful with them. The only thing that makes me doubt this game is the 10 year dev cycle and vague information available. Look at STO for example, it just started appearing and has character customization and gameplay trailers. While DF has some screens with no hud and a leaked video... that could or could not be in game footage.

UO was hella fun before trammel...the PKs facing off against Anti PKs. Grey flagging and walking into town and watch people attack you  and the guards 1 hit ya. Being paranoid at the bank cause of thieves!! HAHA

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wow i cant believe i wasted my time typing what i did above...didnt notice op join date

another basement dweller who got banned and is on darkfall trolling account #1000

Originally posted by maxnrosy

This isnt a group of fresh from school to proyect people. We do not know their backrounds so we cannot make a direct judgement.

Actually, they are, and we can.  This was heavily researched by Polarization several months ago when he found out many of the devs were listed on a career networking site and looking for employment [according to their profiles].  Most of the ones, as I recall, had no game development experience on their resume other than Darkfall, and they basically were novice programmers [fresh out of school or within a couple years of it i think] who were friends and decided to make "The World's Greatest MMORPG, WOOTS!!!". 

This article may/may not shed some light as to the why. As well as a few other interesting things.

Razorwax Interview

Enjoy.

Originally posted by DarkPony

My guess is they were a bunch of idealist who started on this project during the time the first generations of mmorpg's where getting successfull and they reckoned; hey, the sandbox aspect is missing out on some of them; we can do that better. Seeing the wide scope of the Darkfall project and the zealously sticking to a sandbox concept they had to be a fairly idealistic bunch.

This is very close. They were doing ok as far as we know until AV and Tasos stepped in to act as a publisher, (think about that one), and just took over the project. Its sad too since if only they had met with a solid publisher things may have turned out so differently.

There are a lot of Greeks that have determined its a patriotic duty to help AV in any way possible. You see alot of them making posts on the subject and may well be a large contengent of the rabid fans out here. Just one more piece of wierdnes that surrounds this game.

Originally posted by originalegg

Well they seem to be doing a good job of it....

Say what you will about DF, they have a lot of attention and over there they are very popular right now.  You people are amazing and I think you may be bitter about how people are viewing them as successful just because you dont enjoy their game concepts.

Trust me some  have been playing the game for awhile, and these guys, for a first project, are doing one incredible job.

Condescending as usuall I see. If you have not figured it out yet this is a MAJOR reason why DF gets the vast number of "troll" posts.