Javac do you know how the run the Battleground Europe servers aka WWIIOL, because WWIIOL is the only other MMORPG that comes close to what DF is trying to acomplish atm, i think DF will be the WWIIOL of the Fantasy world, hardcore players that will build a close bond and respect towards what the makers and devs of the game are trying to accomplish.

Originally posted by miagisan

just to prove a point, eve runs on "the most powerful supercomputer server cluster in gaming"

www.gamershell.com/companies/ccp_games/308832.html

strictly speaking i think that title still belongs to deep blue, the IBM supercomputer built as a PR stunt to play (and lose against) Gary Kasparov.

don't get me wrong though, i love EVE.

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

I think we've established that javac is talking out of his rear more then interested in providing evidence.

only you think that. everyone else knows you got wtfpwned. specifically i gave links that substantiated my claim, you didn't; your knowledge of distributed computing == cursory, etc. sorry.

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

Originally posted by javac

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

I believe you're getting your people confused.  I, never once, mentioned World of Warcraft.

However, you never answered my question:
Do all Darkfall articles dating back to 2003 Timeframe contain fully, up to date, information?

Enough with the techno babble bullsh!t, Darkfall uses "chunking" while in game (IE Vanguard). Understanding the actual server design behind Darkfall is a tad over the scope of this discussion.

Darkfall releases in just 10 days and it is going to flop badly!

Me and my girlfriend just returned from out of town, visiting a guildee who is in Darkfall beta. I got to play the game for about 6-7 hours and partake in an attempted seige, etc.

Darkfall is a blast to play, but it doesn't warrant a monthly subscription, because there is nothing there! The game is NOT an MMORPG and almost everything in the FAQ is missing from the game. There is no RPG elements to this game.

Huge discussion on the beta message boards and it seems that most the fanbois are actually trolls who are secretly saying the game is awsome, because they want it to flop even harder. (makes sense?)

I really don't know where to start, I had a couple of hours to think about it on the way home and basically, Darkfall is another Dark & Light.

Tasos is just another slick car salesman that has provided lip service instead of a product. I've read the betaleak boards (etc) and almost everything people have said about the game is TRUE.

Darkfall is nothing but an extremely dumbed down version of Planetside! !! Combat is pethetic and not even remotely like a typical first person shooter (Counterstrike/Battlefield) . The skill trees are basically fake and have basically no logical feeling of progression.  Heck even Warhammer has better progression of your character. Nothing seems to work as intended, jump skill? It does nothing..

I really don't want to sit here and bash every part of this game, because it would just take too long. I just want other people to be aware that this game is a big SCAM.

Go watch that Darkfall trailer, aside from the kick azz trees and lighting nothing is in the game, it's empty. BTW, there are no boats or housing... that was all a lie!!!

I was expecting an unfinished game due to reading the beta leaks and posts from beta testers, but I had no idea Darkfall was in this condition. Put it this way, no amount of patching is going to fix Aventurine's lack of vision or ability. This game took 7 years for a reason...  they are amatures!

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

I think we've established that javac is talking out of his rear more then interested in providing evidence.

only you think that. everyone else knows you got wtfpwned. specifically i gave links that substantiated my claim, you didn't; your knowledge of distributed computing == cursory, etc. sorry.

 

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

You are quite wrong on this. None of your posts indicate you actually know what you're talking about.

Furthermore, people with any form of post-graduate education will have too much pride to post in such an immature manner. Throwing around internet Ph.D's and using terms like "wtfpwned" are dead giveaways that you're at best still in college. You need to tone your trolling down a notch to avoid making a bigger fool out of yourself.

Oh man, easily the best part of this thread was someone actually trying to pull the "Derek Smart" card.

Originally posted by jy88902

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

I think we've established that javac is talking out of his rear more then interested in providing evidence.

only you think that. everyone else knows you got wtfpwned. specifically i gave links that substantiated my claim, you didn't; your knowledge of distributed computing == cursory, etc. sorry.

 

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

 

You are quite wrong on this. None of your posts indicate you actually know what you're talking about.

Furthermore, people with any form of post-graduate education will have too much pride to post in such an immature manner. Throwing around internet Ph.D's and using terms like "wtfpwned" are dead giveaways that you're at best still in college. You need to tone your trolling down a notch to avoid making a bigger fool out of yourself.

Did he post his CV again? I warned him that was a bad idea the last time he was trying to prove his metal. He reminds me of the "Ph.D. in Music" from USC that poked the Maitre D from Hell's Kitchen when he had the "audacity" to tell him his actions were illegal.

"I have a Ph.D.! Damn You!!!"

"A PH.D.!!!!"

Originally posted by dalevi1

Originally posted by jy88902

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

I think we've established that javac is talking out of his rear more then interested in providing evidence.

only you think that. everyone else knows you got wtfpwned. specifically i gave links that substantiated my claim, you didn't; your knowledge of distributed computing == cursory, etc. sorry.

 

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

 

You are quite wrong on this. None of your posts indicate you actually know what you're talking about.

Furthermore, people with any form of post-graduate education will have too much pride to post in such an immature manner. Throwing around internet Ph.D's and using terms like "wtfpwned" are dead giveaways that you're at best still in college. You need to tone your trolling down a notch to avoid making a bigger fool out of yourself.

 

Did he post his CV again? I warned him that was a bad idea the last time he was trying to prove his metal. He reminds me of the "Ph.D. in Music" from USC that poked the Maitre D from Hell's Kitchen when he had the "audacity" to tell him his actions were illegal.

"I have a Ph.D.! Damn You!!!"

"A PH.D.!!!!"

HAHAHA!  I remember that!  he poked Jean Phillipe and told him he was "more educated".  But he ordered pizza into the restaraunt.

Great show.  Great analogy.  You get +3 in my book. :-D

Originally posted by dalevi1

Originally posted by jy88902

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

I think we've established that javac is talking out of his rear more then interested in providing evidence.

only you think that. everyone else knows you got wtfpwned. specifically i gave links that substantiated my claim, you didn't; your knowledge of distributed computing == cursory, etc. sorry.

 

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

 

You are quite wrong on this. None of your posts indicate you actually know what you're talking about.

Furthermore, people with any form of post-graduate education will have too much pride to post in such an immature manner. Throwing around internet Ph.D's and using terms like "wtfpwned" are dead giveaways that you're at best still in college. You need to tone your trolling down a notch to avoid making a bigger fool out of yourself.

 

Did he post his CV again? I warned him that was a bad idea the last time he was trying to prove his metal. He reminds me of the "Ph.D. in Music" from USC that poked the Maitre D from Hell's Kitchen when he had the "audacity" to tell him his actions were illegal.

"I have a Ph.D.! Damn You!!!"

"A PH.D.!!!!"

 

If I'm not mistaken, he posted the CV of some random marine biologist last time. I was wondering why he didn't break it out again this time. Maybe he lost the link to it or figured a degree in marine biology wouldn't lend his server structure mumbo jumbo any more credibility.

Wtf, no player housing? What else is gone we don't know of yet?

Oh please, Lord British, bring Ultima Online 2 to us, your humble servants! We'll promise we will never play any other mmo!

I absolutely LOVE this thread! Is there any way we can nominate this thread for "Thread of the Year", and give it some kind of award later on?  C'mon! I really think this thread alone has all the best the internet has to offer.

Originally posted by Mr_Hand

 

 

Enough with the techno babble bullsh!t, Darkfall uses "chunking" while in game (IE Vanguard). Understanding the actual server design behind Darkfall is a tad over the scope of this discussion.

 

Darkfall releases in just 10 days and it is going to flop badly!

Me and my girlfriend just returned from out of town, visiting a guildee who is in Darkfall beta. I got to play the game for about 6-7 hours and partake in an attempted seige, etc.

Darkfall is a blast to play, but it doesn't warrant a monthly subscription, because there is nothing there! The game is NOT an MMORPG and almost everything in the FAQ is missing from the game. There is no RPG elements to this game.

Huge discussion on the beta message boards and it seems that most the fanbois are actually trolls who are secretly saying the game is awsome, because they want it to flop even harder. (makes sense?)

 

I really don't know where to start, I had a couple of hours to think about it on the way home and basically, Darkfall is another Dark & Light.

Tasos is just another slick car salesman that has provided lip service instead of a product. I've read the betaleak boards (etc) and almost everything people have said about the game is TRUE.

Darkfall is nothing but an extremely dumbed down version of Planetside! !! Combat is pethetic and not even remotely like a typical first person shooter (Counterstrike/Battlefield) . The skill trees are basically fake and have basically no logical feeling of progression.  Heck even Warhammer has better progression of your character. Nothing seems to work as intended, jump skill? It does nothing..

I really don't want to sit here and bash every part of this game, because it would just take too long. I just want other people to be aware that this game is a big SCAM.

 

Go watch that Darkfall trailer, aside from the kick azz trees and lighting nothing is in the game, it's empty. BTW, there are no boats or housing... that was all a lie!!!

I was expecting an unfinished game due to reading the beta leaks and posts from beta testers, but I had no idea Darkfall was in this condition. Put it this way, no amount of patching is going to fix Aventurine's lack of vision or ability. This game took 7 years for a reason...  they are amatures!

 

This game is going to end up making Dark and Light and Mourning look like MMO masterpieces,

Why do I have this strange feeling that there will be an "error" on the website where you enter your pre- and regular orders that will magically sell more copies than they said were actually going to be allowed?

But don't worry!   They will give a PR song and dance and  give you the incredible privilege to have AV keep your money until they expand capacity and you will be guaranteed a spot!  What a deal, huh?

I have 0 love for DF, Tasos, or AV, but I will give one defense for their NDA decision.  Microsoft and Turbine's NDA on Asheron's Call  2 was not lifted until 2 or 3 days before release.  Not a very good defense though, considering AC2 was a stinking heap of trash when it released.

Drev

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by dalevi1

Originally posted by jy88902

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

I think we've established that javac is talking out of his rear more then interested in providing evidence.

only you think that. everyone else knows you got wtfpwned. specifically i gave links that substantiated my claim, you didn't; your knowledge of distributed computing == cursory, etc. sorry.

 

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

 

You are quite wrong on this. None of your posts indicate you actually know what you're talking about.

Furthermore, people with any form of post-graduate education will have too much pride to post in such an immature manner. Throwing around internet Ph.D's and using terms like "wtfpwned" are dead giveaways that you're at best still in college. You need to tone your trolling down a notch to avoid making a bigger fool out of yourself.

 

Did he post his CV again? I warned him that was a bad idea the last time he was trying to prove his metal. He reminds me of the "Ph.D. in Music" from USC that poked the Maitre D from Hell's Kitchen when he had the "audacity" to tell him his actions were illegal.

"I have a Ph.D.! Damn You!!!"

"A PH.D.!!!!"

 

HAHAHA!  I remember that!  he poked Jean Phillipe and told him he was "more educated".  But he ordered pizza into the restaraunt.

Great show.  Great analogy.  You get +3 in my book. :-D

Weren't you the first one to bring up your credentials?

Guy sounds a lot more credible than the rest of you put together to be honest.

Too funny.

Someone previously in this thread said it best about too many red flags to order this title.

IMO, when a title begins to create 2-3 red flags, for me personally, I do not risk investing into it.

Dropping/cutting features weeks before release? Red Flag.

Not lifting the NDA well in advanced of the release? Red Flag.

Not conducting at least one stress test on your servers during beta? Red Flag.

Not actually answering questions in repeated interviews? Red Flag.

Having only ONE person cable of conducting all the interviews and released news? Red Flag.

Banning a good number of testers due to posts on testing forums? Red Flag.

Changing significant features in the game weeks/days before release? Red Flag.

Anyways, you get my point. Don't just look at this list (and I am sure many others) for what would constitute a Red Flag. Take a look at other recent launches with similar Red Flags and how they did on release: Vangard, Tabula Rasa, Hellgate: London, AoC, and WAR. All of these titles had a good number of Red Flags prior to release. I see this title going the same route.

I havent really heard anything that makes me want to give this game a shot. Sounds like another shadowbane only worse. Hopefully the game will be a success and prove us cynics wrong. I know pvpers have been waiting for a decent game a long time.

I had a red flag hit me in the face lol.I really like the idea Tasos gives about EVERYTHING in the game can be crafted.I think this was a false statement however or not?He went on to mention there would be EPIC gear, can this also be crafted?this is why i kind of doubt his statement,i highly doubt the EPIC gear can be crafted,unless utilizing the drops from that same BOSS,that would still be a misleading statement.

I like a lot of ideas Aventurine are TRYING to incorporate into their game,but i wish someone would point me to a leaked video,where the player/s are actually having fun?I have yet to see one.

Wow, I just found this thread today. I was reading up on DF cause I had heard from some guild mates that it was due to release soon and from what I had heard I was looking forward to it after the crushing disappointment that was WAR.

On the one hand it is a huge let down to see that there is nearly universal agreement that DF is little more than vapor ware. Now I will have to start the search for my next MMO all over again.’

On the other hand the drama, the theater, the shear spectacle that I experienced as this thread took on a life of its own was, well moving. Hell I fixed popcorn half the way through it and laughed at some of the comments until I had soda blast out of my nose.

This is more entertainment than I have had in months. Someone should seriously bottle this thread and sell admission. It’s more worth my money than any MMO in recent memory.

Thanks Guys
 

I love watching people on these forums bash countless games , acting as if they have created a mmorpg themselves.

I have guildies in DFO beta and i sit and listen to them in ventrilo. I've played with these people for a better part of 8 years and I trust their judgement.

They are pre-ordering DFO, so I will pre-ordering it.

In the meanwhile I will sit back and laugh at all of you "armchair" devs here on the boards who think they know everything

Keep bashing the game. Its entertainment..

Interesting

Originally posted by strykr619

I love watching people on these forums bash countless games , acting as if they have created a mmorpg themselves.

I have guildies in DFO beta and i sit and listen to them in ventrilo. I've played with these people for a better part of 8 years and I trust their judgement.

They are pre-ordering DFO, so I will pre-ordering it.

In the meanwhile I will sit back and laugh at all of you "armchair" devs here on the boards who think they know everything

Keep bashing the game. Its entertainment..

Outstanding, you're all going to be ripped off together. I mean, surely your friends that totally exist and your anecdotal overhearings trump LOGIC and many many leaks stating the contrary.

No personal housing :(

This sucks bigtime, I would rather do without naval combat and get player housing instead.

I hope they have a good plan to implement player housing later on.

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

it's like "Settlers of Garnath" all over again!

"LIMITED PREORDER!   GET IT WHILE IT'S HOT!
...whoops, we didn't expect people to preorder so our site went down."

Exactly like it in so many ways. Including what leakers are saying.

Originally posted by strykr619

I love watching people on these forums bash countless games , acting as if they have created a mmorpg themselves.

I have guildies in DFO beta and i sit and listen to them in ventrilo. I've played with these people for a better part of 8 years and I trust their judgement.

They are pre-ordering DFO, so I will pre-ordering it.

In the meanwhile I will sit back and laugh at all of you "armchair" devs here on the boards who think they know everything

Keep bashing the game. Its entertainment..

I am not an economist but I know the economy is in the sh*t. Creating an MMO is not a pre requisite for forming an opinion on them.

Funny the guys that I know an trust are saying quite the reverse to what my freinds are. Ask your guildies how long they can keep the servers up....less than the D&L guys managed. Game is at least 6 months to a  year from ready is what I am hearing.