der hve nothingto hid;

AV ist so they have I have sen it all.  Darkfall willbe so greete dat you allwi ll have to just adm ittit  nad say you weer wrong about them!

Originally posted by mrroboto40

Originally posted by noij

You would expect Aventurine to at least allow reporters in to play test and review the game before putting up pre orders. They say they can't handle a free open trial period but there's really no reason as to why they would not allow reviews to be made by all the major gaming sites... mmorpg.com , IGN.com , gamespot.com , gamespy.com , warcry.com etc etc.. 

unless they're hiding it on purpose.

 

Could it be that they are missing features? Or maybe the game is coded absolutely terribly?

We'll find out in 11 days, however, I will not shit any bricks even if this game is terrible.

My bet for the best MMO of 2009 will most likely end up going to Aion or APB if they release as intended.

Aion definitely has my vote.  I haven't kept up on it, but Guild Wars was amazing for its first year, I would expect nothing less from NCSoft...Excluding CoH/V...(vomit)

Originally posted by noij

You would expect Aventurine to at least allow reporters in to play test and review the game before putting up pre orders. They say they can't handle a free open trial period but there's really no reason as to why they would not allow reviews to be made by all the major gaming sites... mmorpg.com , IGN.com , gamespot.com , gamespy.com , warcry.com etc etc.. 

unless they're hiding it on purpose.

Aventurine have absoloutely nothing to hide, literally.

Wow howler poor coh/v probaly the best game ncsoft has 14 expansions and they were all free sure some arent worthy of being called expansions but there still free. Darkfall is vaporware  But i hope not.

Originally posted by Bleeze

Wow howler poor coh/v probaly the best game ncsoft has 14 expansions and they were all free sure some arent worthy of being called expansions but there still free. Darkfall is vaporware  But i hope not.

Saying an expansion for a game that you pay monthly for, is free...Is funny.  Add up all the money you've spent on CoH in the last five years you've played it (guessing)...Then multiply three times 50, then add another 20...That's how much I spent on Guild Wars and its three expansions (which I'm sure included more production time than CoH).

Paying monthly for a game's a scam, especially when you've to pay for expansions.  Regardless of the quality of the game, the amount of money the developer is raking in from its customers is astronomical.  But yeah, you've to pay to play quality games now...

Hopefully Darkfall won't be the empty shell that is CoH.  I've seen my friend play it MANY times...To call it an MMO is hilarious.  Especially when I continually ask him how many people are on his server and he usually answers in the hundreds.  Woah!  300 people?  That's like, one person for every map...Holy smokes, I feel the community.

Well i see somebody is a bit touchy you mistook me saying that coh/v is one of the best games ncsoft has as a personal attack on your honor. For that i am sorry im just saying that however craptastic the game is it is one of there better preforming mmo's and yes you do have to pay to play any mmo that is worth its salt. It didnt tank and they dont have to give it away for free. Guild Wars is a great game for sure but its not really a mmo in the sence of mmoness <-- lol. But all im saying is that in terms of makeing money and years of service well cox is second only to linage.

Originally posted by Bleeze

Well i see somebody is a bit touchy you mistook me saying that coh/v is one of the best games ncsoft has as a personal attack on your honor. For that i am sorry im just saying that however craptastic the game is it is one of there better preforming mmo's and yes you do have to pay to play any mmo that is worth its salt. It didnt tank and they dont have to give it away for free. Guild Wars is a great game for sure but its not really a mmo in the sence of mmoness <-- lol. But all im saying is that in terms of makeing money and years of service well cox is second only to linage.

I'll give you that one, my friend has played it since it released.  He's not an avid MMOer, so I should say to him, what I'm going to say to you now...There are better MMOs out there    I personally think WoW was much more fun, and that's saying a lot because I loved Guild Wars compared to WoW, and despise Guild Wars now...So like, CoH is way down on the list.

And no, I'm not a bit touchy about these things, I'm just a loud-mouthed idiot who loves to read his own opinions. Honestly, whatever floats your boat, but I do hope the DC MMO will be a game that we can both agree on, my friend as well. 

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by Bleeze

Well i see somebody is a bit touchy you mistook me saying that coh/v is one of the best games ncsoft has as a personal attack on your honor. For that i am sorry im just saying that however craptastic the game is it is one of there better preforming mmo's and yes you do have to pay to play any mmo that is worth its salt. It didnt tank and they dont have to give it away for free. Guild Wars is a great game for sure but its not really a mmo in the sence of mmoness <-- lol. But all im saying is that in terms of makeing money and years of service well cox is second only to linage.

 

I'll give you that one, my friend has played it since it released.  He's not an avid MMOer, so I should say to him, what I'm going to say to you now...There are better MMOs out there    I personally think WoW was much more fun, and that's saying a lot because I loved Guild Wars compared to WoW, and despise Guild Wars now...So like, CoH is way down on the list.

And no, I'm not a bit touchy about these things, I'm just a loud-mouthed idiot who loves to read his own opinions. Honestly, whatever floats your boat, but I do hope the DC MMO will be a game that we can both agree on, my friend as well. 

Definatly better games out there but it did give us a new mmo nitch. Which i am also hopeing to see some fruit come to bear. DC mmo looks hot as does Champs online either of which could put cox down like the ageing horse it is. It is however a sad day I need a new mmo so bad i am literlay going thru the mmo list here and playing each one. Been enjoying ACE Online planes are cool. Your a cool cat howeler i just didnt want you takeing my post the wrong way.

But this is all off topic and im am sorry to the orginal poster. Dark Fall is vaporware there all better
 

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by Bleeze

Wow howler poor coh/v probaly the best game ncsoft has 14 expansions and they were all free sure some arent worthy of being called expansions but there still free. Darkfall is vaporware  But i hope not.

 

Saying an expansion for a game that you pay monthly for, is free...Is funny.  Add up all the money you've spent on CoH in the last five years you've played it (guessing)...Then multiply three times 50, then add another 20...That's how much I spent on Guild Wars and its three expansions (which I'm sure included more production time than CoH).

Paying monthly for a game's a scam, especially when you've to pay for expansions.  Regardless of the quality of the game, the amount of money the developer is raking in from its customers is astronomical.  But yeah, you've to pay to play quality games now...

Hopefully Darkfall won't be the empty shell that is CoH.  I've seen my friend play it MANY times...To call it an MMO is hilarious.  Especially when I continually ask him how many people are on his server and he usually answers in the hundreds.  Woah!  300 people?  That's like, one person for every map...Holy smokes, I feel the community.

You Might be insane.

A free expansion is an expansion that you do not have to go and pay EXTRA cash for a key of some sort to be able to play the expansion. The monthly  fee dosen't change. WOTLK and BC are examples of expansions that are not free.

Originally posted by TheHoweller

...I'm just a loud-mouthed idiot who loves to read his own opinions.

I'm going to put that in my sig... that's quality

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Aion definitely has my vote.  I haven't kept up on it, but Guild Wars was amazing for its first year, I would expect nothing less from NCSoft...Excluding CoH/V...(vomit)

You do realise that Guildwars is made by arenanet, a team that jumped of from Blizzaerd and NC soft is only the publisher, right? The games don't share a single person as far as I know.

Same with Cryptic but now NC soft own CoX and take care of it because cryptic sold it in favour of champions.

Games really developed by NCsoft is Linage 1& 2 and Auto assault.

To the OP: Duh, you think?

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Aion definitely has my vote.  I haven't kept up on it, but Guild Wars was amazing for its first year, I would expect nothing less from NCSoft...Excluding CoH/V...(vomit)

 

You do realise that Guildwars is made by arenanet, a team that jumped of from Blizzaerd and NC soft is only the publisher, right? The games don't share a single person as far as I know.

Same with Cryptic but now NC soft own CoX and take care of it because cryptic sold it in favour of champions.

Games really developed by NCsoft is Linage 1& 2 and Auto assault.

To the OP: Duh, you think?

Didn't know that one.  And I'm assuming that NCSoft is actually making Aion then, right?

Thanks for clearing it up for me, again.  I've read the above many times, it just never stuck because I always saw NCSoft's logo.

Originally posted by Alandora

they know as soon as the NDA is dropped, real players will be able to give feedback.  That will ruin the whole pre-order thing.

If the game was good, they wouldn't need to hide behind an NDA.  The only games that had an NDA this late all were con games to get initial box sales.

 My thoughts exactly. Keeping their cards this close to their chest so close to release makes me think they know the negative impact a free trail will have on initial cash injection they need from pre orders to kick start the USA launch.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Aion definitely has my vote.  I haven't kept up on it, but Guild Wars was amazing for its first year, I would expect nothing less from NCSoft...Excluding CoH/V...(vomit)

 

You do realise that Guildwars is made by arenanet, a team that jumped of from Blizzaerd and NC soft is only the publisher, right? The games don't share a single person as far as I know.

Same with Cryptic but now NC soft own CoX and take care of it because cryptic sold it in favour of champions.

Games really developed by NCsoft is Linage 1& 2 and Auto assault.

To the OP: Duh, you think?

Just a minor correction here. Auto Assault was developed by NetDevil, not NCsoft. Again, NCsoft was simply the publisher of the game.

Originally posted by twhint

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Aion definitely has my vote.  I haven't kept up on it, but Guild Wars was amazing for its first year, I would expect nothing less from NCSoft...Excluding CoH/V...(vomit)

 

You do realise that Guildwars is made by arenanet, a team that jumped of from Blizzaerd and NC soft is only the publisher, right? The games don't share a single person as far as I know.

Same with Cryptic but now NC soft own CoX and take care of it because cryptic sold it in favour of champions.

Games really developed by NCsoft is Linage 1& 2 and Auto assault.

To the OP: Duh, you think?

 

Just a minor correction here. Auto Assault was developed by NetDevil, not NCsoft. Again, NCsoft was simply the publisher of the game.

To understand how good NCsoft Korea is, you have to distinguish between the development they do over there and the development done by random companies they contract with in the west.  NCsoft Korea has made 3 games.  Lineage 1, Lineage 2, and Aion.  Every one of them is a massive blockbuster with sales beyond even WoW.   And thats why everyone is looking forward to Aion.  It has already proved itself.  The western release is thought to be 3 months from now.

It's been clear for some time that Aventurine don't want the games media getting a look at DF. It's pretty obvious why.

Originally posted by noij

Uh why do they need a NDA 11 days until launch?

Its still in CB.  When it lifts, and either enters stress testing or the preorder thing, then reviews will begin.  I think it will lift before preorders start.
 

Originally posted by xSh0x

Originally posted by noij

Uh why do they need a NDA 11 days until launch?

Its still in CB.  When it lifts, and either enters stress testing or the preorder thing, then reviews will begin.  I think it will lift before preorders start.
 

No it is not in Closed Beta.  It is in Open Beta.  Remember when the definition of Open Beta had to be re-established as any beta that includes at least one person who applied to test the game?  This is the Open Beta.  They said they did the stress test already using bots instead of players. 

Originally posted by xSh0x

Originally posted by noij

Uh why do they need a NDA 11 days until launch?

Its still in CB.  When it lifts, and either enters stress testing or the preorder thing, then reviews will begin.  I think it will lift before preorders start.
 

And if NDA isn't lifted before pre-orders start and/or the game is released... What would you do?

An NDA this close to release.... 

Oh my, where have I seen that before?