Originally posted by paulscott

Does that mean norse mythology is correct because even the gods say they didn't create the world they just took it from the last gods that took it from someone else?

They're vikings, they're always correct and they eat snickers.

Originally posted by paulscott

Does that mean norse mythology is correct because even the gods say they didn't create the world they just took it from the last gods that took it from someone else?

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I'd think you could have atleast said something almost sensible like chiristians putting more faith in jesus than God, when they are supposed to put nothing before God.

What Christians put more faith in Jesus than God? That's a heresy as far as I know. As a different kinda heretic, I have some experience with heresies.

At any rate, according to most forms of mainstream Christianity The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are God.

Look at it this way. Think a thought. When you think a thought what do you do? You bounce it off something inside your consciousness. You think it, you reflect on it, then you settle. We do this for everything but the most instinctive thoughts.

that's three in one.

That's kinda How God (Father)/the Word/Son?Expression(Jesus) and the Holy Spirit is.

Originally posted by NeverLand7

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God. The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

Umm, Why does it bother you so much? There has to be some kind of urge in you that is crying out for the truth. And obviously you have not found it, because you keep on complaining.

Also, Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

So you know God messed up, because we sin? That's God's fault that we sinned? Do you know God well enough to make that assumption? Other than that, its an opinion.

There was freewill even in God's presence. Lucifer, tempeted them to shy away from God. And look what happened. I see and understand what you are trying to saying, but personally why do you hate christians? I can probably already name a few whys for you.

1. They keep on pushing you and pushing you on their beliefs. -- As Christians we are suppose to teach and preach the word of God. When people who are not christians come in, and want too know more on a serious basis, then thats where we should encourage. All we have to do is let every ear hear the gospals and let the person decide for themselves because we can't make them believe. We should always be a helping hand to help those who are not in our faith.

2. Hypercietes -- You know a person who goes to church every sunday and they treat people like garbage and get wasted every weekend. Yes. That's not really a true Christian. Please understand, when or if you do become a Christian, you will never ever be perfect. You will still sin. It's the fact of, how much of that sin you do and acknowledge of doing it. You feel the convictions when you do feed the temptations. Your views on life change, and the way you speak and treat people should change as well.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by paulscott

Does that mean norse mythology is correct because even the gods say they didn't create the world they just took it from the last gods that took it from someone else?

 

They're vikings, they're always correct and they eat snickers.

You shut your mouth! I want my clarity!

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God. The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

 

Umm, Why does it bother you so much? There has to be some kind of urge in you that is crying out for the truth. And obviously you have not found it, because you keep on complaining.

 

Also, Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

 

So you know God messed up, because we sin? That's God's fault that we sinned? Do you know God well enough to make that assumption? Other than that, its an opinion.

 

There was freewill even in God's presence. Lucifer, tempeted them to shy away from God. And look what happened. I see and understand what you are trying to saying, but personally why do you hate christians? I can probably already name a few whys for you.

1. They keep on pushing you and pushing you on their beliefs. -- As Christians we are suppose to teach and preach the word of God. When people who are not christians come in, and want too know more on a serious basis, then thats where we should encourage. All we have to do is let every ear hear the gospals and let the person decide for themselves because we can't make them believe. We should always be a helping hand to help those who are not in our faith.

2. Hypercietes -- You know a person who goes to church every sunday and they treat people like garbage and get wasted every weekend. Yes. That's not really a true Christian. Please understand, when or if you do become a Christian, you will never ever be perfect. You will still sin. It's the fact of, how much of that sin you do and acknowledge of doing it. You feel the convictions when you do feed the temptations. Your views on life change, and the way you speak and treat people should change as well.

And somehow you think you know God better than me? From what? Some shallow hallucinations not actual experience most likely. Or from going to your teach and being a cookie cutter builder by copying all the scriptures just like the rest of the tools out there.

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God. The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

 

Umm, Why does it bother you so much? There has to be some kind of urge in you that is crying out for the truth. And obviously you have not found it, because you keep on complaining.

 

Also, Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

 

So you know God messed up, because we sin? That's God's fault that we sinned? Do you know God well enough to make that assumption? Other than that, its an opinion.

 

There was freewill even in God's presence. Lucifer, tempeted them to shy away from God. And look what happened. I see and understand what you are trying to saying, but personally why do you hate christians? I can probably already name a few whys for you.

1. They keep on pushing you and pushing you on their beliefs. -- As Christians we are suppose to teach and preach the word of God. When people who are not christians come in, and want too know more on a serious basis, then thats where we should encourage. All we have to do is let every ear hear the gospals and let the person decide for themselves because we can't make them believe. We should always be a helping hand to help those who are not in our faith.

2. Hypercietes -- You know a person who goes to church every sunday and they treat people like garbage and get wasted every weekend. Yes. That's not really a true Christian. Please understand, when or if you do become a Christian, you will never ever be perfect. You will still sin. It's the fact of, how much of that sin you do and acknowledge of doing it. You feel the convictions when you do feed the temptations. Your views on life change, and the way you speak and treat people should change as well.

 

And somehow you think you know God better than me? From what? Some shallow hallucinations not actual experience most likely. Or from going to your teach and being a cookie cutter builder by copying all the scriptures just like the rest of the tools out there.

I know him, but I don't know him well enough yet. So you're one of those immature atheists who feel the need to rant about Christianity because it makes your self esteem increase. I could say the exactly same thing about you, because more than likely you're an evolutionists. Darwinism, is just theory, belief, same as mine. You have faith yours is correct and I have mine.

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Waterlily

Some of you (and I'm looking squarely in the direction of the US atm) need to stop taking religion so serious.

How about taking a look in the other direction - Middle East to be precise. They're the religious fanatics, not us.

Heres some interesting facts.

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/death95w.htm

Islamic terrorists murder more people everyday than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.

www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ESPYdate.pdf

Anyone seen the movie kingdom of heaven?

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God. The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

 

Umm, Why does it bother you so much? There has to be some kind of urge in you that is crying out for the truth. And obviously you have not found it, because you keep on complaining.

 

Also, Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

 

So you know God messed up, because we sin? That's God's fault that we sinned? Do you know God well enough to make that assumption? Other than that, its an opinion.

 

There was freewill even in God's presence. Lucifer, tempeted them to shy away from God. And look what happened. I see and understand what you are trying to saying, but personally why do you hate christians? I can probably already name a few whys for you.

1. They keep on pushing you and pushing you on their beliefs. -- As Christians we are suppose to teach and preach the word of God. When people who are not christians come in, and want too know more on a serious basis, then thats where we should encourage. All we have to do is let every ear hear the gospals and let the person decide for themselves because we can't make them believe. We should always be a helping hand to help those who are not in our faith.

2. Hypercietes -- You know a person who goes to church every sunday and they treat people like garbage and get wasted every weekend. Yes. That's not really a true Christian. Please understand, when or if you do become a Christian, you will never ever be perfect. You will still sin. It's the fact of, how much of that sin you do and acknowledge of doing it. You feel the convictions when you do feed the temptations. Your views on life change, and the way you speak and treat people should change as well.

 

And somehow you think you know God better than me? From what? Some shallow hallucinations not actual experience most likely. Or from going to your teach and being a cookie cutter builder by copying all the scriptures just like the rest of the tools out there.

 

I know him, but I don't know him well enough yet. So you're one of those immature atheists who feel the need to rant about Christianity because it makes your self esteem increase. I could say the exactly same thing about you, because more than likely you're an evolutionists. Darwinism, is just theory, belief, same as mine. You have faith yours is correct and I have mine.

Lol actually I strongly believe in God but I don't believe some of the garbage that is in religion. The commandments are good and all and actually make sense but some other things are highly questionable. And no I don't believe in theory of evolution , I think that's a total load of bullshit aswell.

Originally posted by Eronakis 

I know him, but I don't know him well enough yet. So you're one of those immature atheists who feel the need to rant about Christianity because it makes your self esteem increase. I could say the exactly same thing about you, because more than likely you're an evolutionists. Darwinism, is just theory, belief, same as mine. You have faith yours is correct and I have mine.

What he doesn't quite understand is atheism is a rejection of religion, not a disproval of religion. By the devotion he shows to disprove religion, he is simply creating a branch of religious atheism that he, himself, follows.

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God. The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

 

Umm, Why does it bother you so much? There has to be some kind of urge in you that is crying out for the truth. And obviously you have not found it, because you keep on complaining.

 

Also, Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

 

So you know God messed up, because we sin? That's God's fault that we sinned? Do you know God well enough to make that assumption? Other than that, its an opinion.

 

There was freewill even in God's presence. Lucifer, tempeted them to shy away from God. And look what happened. I see and understand what you are trying to saying, but personally why do you hate christians? I can probably already name a few whys for you.

1. They keep on pushing you and pushing you on their beliefs. -- As Christians we are suppose to teach and preach the word of God. When people who are not christians come in, and want too know more on a serious basis, then thats where we should encourage. All we have to do is let every ear hear the gospals and let the person decide for themselves because we can't make them believe. We should always be a helping hand to help those who are not in our faith.

2. Hypercietes -- You know a person who goes to church every sunday and they treat people like garbage and get wasted every weekend. Yes. That's not really a true Christian. Please understand, when or if you do become a Christian, you will never ever be perfect. You will still sin. It's the fact of, how much of that sin you do and acknowledge of doing it. You feel the convictions when you do feed the temptations. Your views on life change, and the way you speak and treat people should change as well.

 

And somehow you think you know God better than me? From what? Some shallow hallucinations not actual experience most likely. Or from going to your teach and being a cookie cutter builder by copying all the scriptures just like the rest of the tools out there.

 

I know him, but I don't know him well enough yet. So you're one of those immature atheists who feel the need to rant about Christianity because it makes your self esteem increase. I could say the exactly same thing about you, because more than likely you're an evolutionists. Darwinism, is just theory, belief, same as mine. You have faith yours is correct and I have mine.

Lol actually I strongly believe in God but I don't believe some of the garbage that is in religion. The commandments are good and all and actually make sense but some other things are highly questionable. And no I don't believe in theory of evolution , I think that's a total load of bullshit aswell.

Oh, you surprised me =D.

Which God do you believe in? Just assuming, here, are you one of those people who doesn't believe in the bible, but you see God to fit your own personal values? What do  you actually believe in? I am curious.

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God. The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

 

Umm, Why does it bother you so much? There has to be some kind of urge in you that is crying out for the truth. And obviously you have not found it, because you keep on complaining.

 

Also, Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

 

So you know God messed up, because we sin? That's God's fault that we sinned? Do you know God well enough to make that assumption? Other than that, its an opinion.

 

There was freewill even in God's presence. Lucifer, tempeted them to shy away from God. And look what happened. I see and understand what you are trying to saying, but personally why do you hate christians? I can probably already name a few whys for you.

1. They keep on pushing you and pushing you on their beliefs. -- As Christians we are suppose to teach and preach the word of God. When people who are not christians come in, and want too know more on a serious basis, then thats where we should encourage. All we have to do is let every ear hear the gospals and let the person decide for themselves because we can't make them believe. We should always be a helping hand to help those who are not in our faith.

2. Hypercietes -- You know a person who goes to church every sunday and they treat people like garbage and get wasted every weekend. Yes. That's not really a true Christian. Please understand, when or if you do become a Christian, you will never ever be perfect. You will still sin. It's the fact of, how much of that sin you do and acknowledge of doing it. You feel the convictions when you do feed the temptations. Your views on life change, and the way you speak and treat people should change as well.

 

And somehow you think you know God better than me? From what? Some shallow hallucinations not actual experience most likely. Or from going to your teach and being a cookie cutter builder by copying all the scriptures just like the rest of the tools out there.

 

I know him, but I don't know him well enough yet. So you're one of those immature atheists who feel the need to rant about Christianity because it makes your self esteem increase. I could say the exactly same thing about you, because more than likely you're an evolutionists. Darwinism, is just theory, belief, same as mine. You have faith yours is correct and I have mine.

Lol actually I strongly believe in God but I don't believe some of the garbage that is in religion. The commandments are good and all and actually make sense but some other things are highly questionable. And no I don't believe in theory of evolution , I think that's a total load of bullshit aswell.

Oh, you surprised me =D.

 

Which God do you believe in? Just assuming, here, are you one of those people who doesn't believe in the bible, but you see God to fit your own personal values? What do  you actually believe in? I am curious.

I believe that there is one God and that all the original saints of religions have experienced that same God just in different forms/ways. I believe God is omnipotent , omnipresent , and omniscient , after all a being who created this universe would have to be. Certain aspects of religion I do believe in that are based off of love , compassion and virtue. At the same time lets say Adam and Eve sinned ( and even the story doesn't sound like they did that bad of a thing , just a simple mistake ) Why wouldn't the Christian God have the love to forgive them? Isn't part of religion based on forgiveness , did Christ not say when he was dieing on the cross ""Forgive them , for they do not know what they have done"" Certain parts of christianity just seem a little hypocritical at times is all , I'm sorry if I've come off as being mean or trying to insult your beliefs but that is not my intention. I'm open to hearing everyone thoughts and changing mine if it works for me.

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God. The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

 

Umm, Why does it bother you so much? There has to be some kind of urge in you that is crying out for the truth. And obviously you have not found it, because you keep on complaining.

 

Also, Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

 

So you know God messed up, because we sin? That's God's fault that we sinned? Do you know God well enough to make that assumption? Other than that, its an opinion.

 

There was freewill even in God's presence. Lucifer, tempeted them to shy away from God. And look what happened. I see and understand what you are trying to saying, but personally why do you hate christians? I can probably already name a few whys for you.

1. They keep on pushing you and pushing you on their beliefs. -- As Christians we are suppose to teach and preach the word of God. When people who are not christians come in, and want too know more on a serious basis, then thats where we should encourage. All we have to do is let every ear hear the gospals and let the person decide for themselves because we can't make them believe. We should always be a helping hand to help those who are not in our faith.

2. Hypercietes -- You know a person who goes to church every sunday and they treat people like garbage and get wasted every weekend. Yes. That's not really a true Christian. Please understand, when or if you do become a Christian, you will never ever be perfect. You will still sin. It's the fact of, how much of that sin you do and acknowledge of doing it. You feel the convictions when you do feed the temptations. Your views on life change, and the way you speak and treat people should change as well.

 

And somehow you think you know God better than me? From what? Some shallow hallucinations not actual experience most likely. Or from going to your teach and being a cookie cutter builder by copying all the scriptures just like the rest of the tools out there.

 

I know him, but I don't know him well enough yet. So you're one of those immature atheists who feel the need to rant about Christianity because it makes your self esteem increase. I could say the exactly same thing about you, because more than likely you're an evolutionists. Darwinism, is just theory, belief, same as mine. You have faith yours is correct and I have mine.

Lol actually I strongly believe in God but I don't believe some of the garbage that is in religion. The commandments are good and all and actually make sense but some other things are highly questionable. And no I don't believe in theory of evolution , I think that's a total load of bullshit aswell.

Oh, you surprised me =D.

 

Which God do you believe in? Just assuming, here, are you one of those people who doesn't believe in the bible, but you see God to fit your own personal values? What do  you actually believe in? I am curious.

I believe that there is one God and that all the original saints of religions have experienced that same God just in different forms/ways. I believe God is omnipotent , omnipresent , and omniscient , after all a being who created this universe would have to be. Certain aspects of religion I do believe in that are based off of love , compassion and virtue. At the same time lets say Adam and Eve sinned ( and even the story doesn't sound like they did that bad of a thing , just a simple mistake ) Why wouldn't the Christian God have the love to forgive them? Isn't part of religion based on forgiveness , did Christ not say when he was dieing on the cross ""Forgive them , for they do not know what they have done"" Certain parts of christianity just seem a little hypocritical at times is all , I'm sorry if I've come off as being mean or trying to insult your beliefs but that is not my intention. I'm open to hearing everyone thoughts and changing mine if it works for me.

I am a little confused even still. The name of this thread clearly has the word Christianity and other religions. You state christianity to maybe resemble what you really want you're thread to be about. What is your personal vendetta against Christianity/God? Beside it may SEEM hypercritical. From what you wrote here, you seem like you share and know the Christian values. So why attack Christianity? Do you even believe Jesus existed?

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God. The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

 

Umm, Why does it bother you so much? There has to be some kind of urge in you that is crying out for the truth. And obviously you have not found it, because you keep on complaining.

 

Also, Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

 

So you know God messed up, because we sin? That's God's fault that we sinned? Do you know God well enough to make that assumption? Other than that, its an opinion.

 

There was freewill even in God's presence. Lucifer, tempeted them to shy away from God. And look what happened. I see and understand what you are trying to saying, but personally why do you hate christians? I can probably already name a few whys for you.

1. They keep on pushing you and pushing you on their beliefs. -- As Christians we are suppose to teach and preach the word of God. When people who are not christians come in, and want too know more on a serious basis, then thats where we should encourage. All we have to do is let every ear hear the gospals and let the person decide for themselves because we can't make them believe. We should always be a helping hand to help those who are not in our faith.

2. Hypercietes -- You know a person who goes to church every sunday and they treat people like garbage and get wasted every weekend. Yes. That's not really a true Christian. Please understand, when or if you do become a Christian, you will never ever be perfect. You will still sin. It's the fact of, how much of that sin you do and acknowledge of doing it. You feel the convictions when you do feed the temptations. Your views on life change, and the way you speak and treat people should change as well.

 

And somehow you think you know God better than me? From what? Some shallow hallucinations not actual experience most likely. Or from going to your teach and being a cookie cutter builder by copying all the scriptures just like the rest of the tools out there.

 

I know him, but I don't know him well enough yet. So you're one of those immature atheists who feel the need to rant about Christianity because it makes your self esteem increase. I could say the exactly same thing about you, because more than likely you're an evolutionists. Darwinism, is just theory, belief, same as mine. You have faith yours is correct and I have mine.

Lol actually I strongly believe in God but I don't believe some of the garbage that is in religion. The commandments are good and all and actually make sense but some other things are highly questionable. And no I don't believe in theory of evolution , I think that's a total load of bullshit aswell.

Oh, you surprised me =D.

 

Which God do you believe in? Just assuming, here, are you one of those people who doesn't believe in the bible, but you see God to fit your own personal values? What do  you actually believe in? I am curious.

I believe that there is one God and that all the original saints of religions have experienced that same God just in different forms/ways. I believe God is omnipotent , omnipresent , and omniscient , after all a being who created this universe would have to be. Certain aspects of religion I do believe in that are based off of love , compassion and virtue. At the same time lets say Adam and Eve sinned ( and even the story doesn't sound like they did that bad of a thing , just a simple mistake ) Why wouldn't the Christian God have the love to forgive them? Isn't part of religion based on forgiveness , did Christ not say when he was dieing on the cross ""Forgive them , for they do not know what they have done"" Certain parts of christianity just seem a little hypocritical at times is all , I'm sorry if I've come off as being mean or trying to insult your beliefs but that is not my intention. I'm open to hearing everyone thoughts and changing mine if it works for me.

 

I am a little confused even still. The name of this thread clearly has the word Christianity and other religions. You state christianity to maybe resemble what you really want you're thread to be about. What is your personal vendetta against Christianity/God? Beside it may SEEM hypercritical. From what you wrote here, you seem like you share and know the Christian values. So why attack Christianity? Do you even believe Jesus existed?

I'm not trying to attack . Also I admit that some of this was an expression of somethings I've bottled up about religion and that is partly why I may how come off so angry. Because part of what bothers me is that it puts you in a victim mentality , that it's all your fault. There's a good saying by a wise man ""No such thing as bad student , only bad teacher""

These threads ALWAYS turn into a shit flinging contest.

What is the point OP? Do you just like to start flame wars? Or is this really you trying to be sincere about your beliefs on religion?

I'm thinkin you like the flames. Come on...don't lie.

Originally posted by Capn23

These threads ALWAYS turn into a shit flinging contest.

 

What is the point OP? Do you just like to start flame wars? Or is this really you trying to be sincere about your beliefs on religion?

 

I'm thinkin you like the flames. Come on...don't lie.

I'm by no means trying to start a flame war , I understand my original post might've come off sounding a bit harsh but saying that there is flaws in religion is by no means completely discrediting them nor is it going against them , one has to look at things with an open mind , like water , formlessness , one has too empty oneself so one can listen , if one is full than how is he to eat? In the same way if one is full of mechanical and routine knowledge how can he ever learn more?

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by NeverLand7

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God. The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

 

Umm, Why does it bother you so much? There has to be some kind of urge in you that is crying out for the truth. And obviously you have not found it, because you keep on complaining.

 

Also, Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.

 

So you know God messed up, because we sin? That's God's fault that we sinned? Do you know God well enough to make that assumption? Other than that, its an opinion.

 

There was freewill even in God's presence. Lucifer, tempeted them to shy away from God. And look what happened. I see and understand what you are trying to saying, but personally why do you hate christians? I can probably already name a few whys for you.

1. They keep on pushing you and pushing you on their beliefs. -- As Christians we are suppose to teach and preach the word of God. When people who are not christians come in, and want too know more on a serious basis, then thats where we should encourage. All we have to do is let every ear hear the gospals and let the person decide for themselves because we can't make them believe. We should always be a helping hand to help those who are not in our faith.

2. Hypercietes -- You know a person who goes to church every sunday and they treat people like garbage and get wasted every weekend. Yes. That's not really a true Christian. Please understand, when or if you do become a Christian, you will never ever be perfect. You will still sin. It's the fact of, how much of that sin you do and acknowledge of doing it. You feel the convictions when you do feed the temptations. Your views on life change, and the way you speak and treat people should change as well.

 

And somehow you think you know God better than me? From what? Some shallow hallucinations not actual experience most likely. Or from going to your teach and being a cookie cutter builder by copying all the scriptures just like the rest of the tools out there.

 

I know him, but I don't know him well enough yet. So you're one of those immature atheists who feel the need to rant about Christianity because it makes your self esteem increase. I could say the exactly same thing about you, because more than likely you're an evolutionists. Darwinism, is just theory, belief, same as mine. You have faith yours is correct and I have mine.

Lol actually I strongly believe in God but I don't believe some of the garbage that is in religion. The commandments are good and all and actually make sense but some other things are highly questionable. And no I don't believe in theory of evolution , I think that's a total load of bullshit aswell.

Oh, you surprised me =D.

 

Which God do you believe in? Just assuming, here, are you one of those people who doesn't believe in the bible, but you see God to fit your own personal values? What do  you actually believe in? I am curious.

I believe that there is one God and that all the original saints of religions have experienced that same God just in different forms/ways. I believe God is omnipotent , omnipresent , and omniscient , after all a being who created this universe would have to be. Certain aspects of religion I do believe in that are based off of love , compassion and virtue. At the same time lets say Adam and Eve sinned ( and even the story doesn't sound like they did that bad of a thing , just a simple mistake ) Why wouldn't the Christian God have the love to forgive them? Isn't part of religion based on forgiveness , did Christ not say when he was dieing on the cross ""Forgive them , for they do not know what they have done"" Certain parts of christianity just seem a little hypocritical at times is all , I'm sorry if I've come off as being mean or trying to insult your beliefs but that is not my intention. I'm open to hearing everyone thoughts and changing mine if it works for me.

 

I am a little confused even still. The name of this thread clearly has the word Christianity and other religions. You state christianity to maybe resemble what you really want you're thread to be about. What is your personal vendetta against Christianity/God? Beside it may SEEM hypercritical. From what you wrote here, you seem like you share and know the Christian values. So why attack Christianity? Do you even believe Jesus existed?

 

I'm not trying to attack . Also I admit that some of this was an expression of somethings I've bottled up about religion and that is partly why I may how come off so angry. Because part of what bothers me is that it puts you in a victim mentality , that it's all your fault. There's a good saying by a wise man ""No such thing as bad student , only bad teacher""

Jesus was the teacher. Jesus was God in human flesh. So, no, its not the teacher.

Let me ask all the women on the forumns this religious or otherwise

lets pretend that you have found your soulmate and you are going to get married.

Which feels better swearing eternal love before the government with  marriage liscense or civil union or Swearing before a deity yo believe in to some extent that was there before you will be there after you and will always remember your oath of love?

To me religion is what you take out of it, im not a fanatic or zealot or anything like that. But I pray for protection every single day before i go to work( I got injured anyway but thank god i didn't die) Do i believe that the only reason that im alive is because of god? no but it does comfort me the idea of someone watching my back making sure i don't die before its my tme(when it is i really don't have a problem with it).

I don't go beat up homosexuals, protest outside abortion clinics, etc.

But to me even though i ee the flaws what i get is a loose set of guidelines and a sense of comfort.

logic doesn't really figure into it anywhere

Originally posted by Vampir

Let me ask all the women on the forumns this religious or otherwise

lets pretend that you have found your soulmate and you are going to get married.

Which feels better swearing eternal love before the government with  marriage liscense or civil union or Swearing before a deity yo believe in to some extent that was there before you will be there after you and will always remember your oath of love?

To me religion is what you take out of it, im not a fanatic or zealot or anything like that. But I pray for protection every single day before i go to work( I got injured anyway but thank god i didn't die) Do i believe that the only reason that im alive is because of god? no but it does comfort me the idea of someone watching my back making sure i don't die before its my tme(when it is i really don't have a problem with it).

I don't go beat up homosexuals, protest outside abortion clinics, etc.

But to me even though i ee the flaws what i get is a loose set of guidelines and a sense of comfort.

logic doesn't really figure into it anywhere

Yes, it can give you some strength. I have prayed for people. Just a "god make sure he's ok prayer". 

Why? Because you feel helpless sometimes and it's all you can do, even though I don't believe in a god per se..sometimes people just feel comforted by a prayer and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by NeverLand7

 

I honestly have no idea why I'm responding to this. I've learned that most (99.99%) of all religious debates on this site are a complete waste of time. However, I'll respond anyways.

 

If man sinned before the creation of Earth when he was with God the problem then is not rooted in his own sin but rather the foundation of himself , God.

 

Man sinned after the creation of the Earth - WAY after, actually. How could man sin before he was created? Or, is this a wrong quotation of Revelation 13:8, that speaks of Jesus being slain before the foundation of the world?

 

The classical man is another word for a idiot , he is mechanical he can only think what he is programmed and placed with , he can't go beyond the external world thus he lacks proper thought. You have to look at the foundation , the roots not the branches and leafs , you see , we are the branches and leaves and God is the roots. The whole life of the tree is from God , the roots , yet most religious people are exactly like the mechanical man they only think about the branches and leafs because that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper , to the roots where the whole of the tree is supported and grown from. If there is a problem with the tree than there's a problem with the roots , not the other way around. Thus we can conclude that the classical ''religious"" man can not go deeper than the outside , he can't go deep enough in his own thoughts to the roots he only see the branches and the leafs , showing ignorance and mechancial tendencies.

Because your original premise was wrong, you're analogy is wrong as well. However, one point you did rightly say is that if the fruit of the tree is bad, then the tree is bad. Jesus said the same thing - to chop down trees with bad fruit and throw them to the fire. John the Baptist said the same thing too.

Most people in this forum, when attacking 'Christianity' (or other religions) usually always bring up the 'blind faith' factor, whether or not they use that language or not. Here, it was implied by the sentence, "that is what the eyes see , they don't go deeper". It is sad to see western Christianity come to such a low. However, this statement is NOT true. Yes, there are 'christians' who probably are justified, yet are indeed blind. However, especially in other places of the world, they are NOT blind. Signs and wonders are normal (this is true for some places in the west, however). Convicting (not condemning) sermons litter the landscape and the mantle of love covers those who partisipate.

I can't wait til ... or if Christianity looks like that in the US.

Blessings,