This game will go down as the biggest MMO failure in history.

This game was supposed to be the next coming of Christ by all accounts.

and look at it now.. look how fucking low this shit sank thanks to the amazing Tasos and all his bullshit , lies and garbage.

They can't even launch the game.. a game that was already 100% awesome and ready to launch months and months and months ago according to the mighty Tacos.

This game should be CANCELLED. Not launched. THAT'S what the "right" thing would be to do. But of course Tacos instead will try everything in his power to have whatever is left of his fanboy player base that he shit on for the last who knows how many years now pay him money to help fund his already sunken ship to the very end.

All hail Tacos

"There will be a limited number of pre-order copies of Darkfall offered, and a limited number of copies available at launch. We won’t try to support more users than we can guarantee a good gameplay experience for, and if demand is higher than supply, then we will move to a structured release."

What? if demand is higher then supply, they will move to a structured release? WTF is that.

Basically if they have enough preorders that gave them cash, then they will finish the game and move on to somekind of release.

Hahah, Darkfail is the worst vaporware ever.

Originally posted by fs23otm

"There will be a limited number of pre-order copies of Darkfall offered, and a limited number of copies available at launch. We won’t try to support more users than we can guarantee a good gameplay experience for, and if demand is higher than supply, then we will move to a structured release."

 

What? if demand is higher then supply, they will move to a structured release? WTF is that.

Basically if they have enough preorders that gave them cash, then they will finish the game and move on to somekind of release.

Hahah, Darkfail is the worst vaporware ever.

 

Good point..I do think there be allot of players who will not pre-order regardless if they are a fanbois or not..Taos has bills to pay and it seems he is very Nervous if his game becomes a epic failure regargless how much big talk he makes..Time is all most up for him now it time to pay the Piper..

Originally posted by javac 

DF mobs have great AI, better than anything we have seen in a MMO before. No joke. The reason why MMOs have historically had braid-dead mob AI is because most MMOs run off single servers, and so they do not have the CPU capacity to run complex AI for 1000s of mobs in the world.
 

There hasn't been a single server pay to play MMO in ten years. A single server MMO couldn't handle 15 simultaneous clients. EQ used sever clusters for pete's sake. The reason MMOs typically have brain dead mobs is because they don't want to frustrate their brain dead players.

I just had to point out how this interview sounded strikingly similar to one Bill Roper gave for Hellgate: London prior to its launch...

Questions? We don't really answer those.

Specifics? We don't really need those right now.

NDA? We won't comment on that until hours before launch.

Benefits for pre-order? Its a "surprise".

Features? "Its in there! Keep looking while we try to patch"

Secretly I'm a little disappointed that Tasos, Aventurine and Darkfall have finally been revealed to actually be everything I had predicted they might be.

Only thing left to do now is sit back and watch the final meltdown fireworks when whatever's left of this games passionate community that falls for this trap and actually preorders implodes in on itself and Aventurine on the 25th or whenever this game finally "launches".

Some classics in there,pure Tasos.

Running guards have been replaced by guard towers because they are more effective and also because more NPCs in the world just take up player spots.

Sorry but I had to reply to all the ridiculous posts about the Darkfall server because their delusional statements need rebuttal.  First off, all the MMO's I know of you multiple servers to form a game server.  Most game companies do not give out server design information, so you can't know that Darkfall is any different than anyone else.

If you had any inkling of what the biggest load of a MMO is, you would realize that  the I/O access to the database is numero uno when it comes to server delay.  CCP is the only one I know using RamSan technology at the moment and I know that is something Aventurine flat out can't afford.

Secondly this so called beta has to be one of the shortest in history and with so few testors they have not come close to testing the server code.   It is a well known fact that the servers are down more than they are up.

So it is a very easy conclusion to make that Aventurine nor anyone else has any inkling what their servers will do with a full load.

If this game releases you will be looking at a very early beta code at best.  If that thrills you to pay them to test their product have at it. 

Oh and the reason that the guards were replaced was that the glorious AI stunk, they were quite ineffective.  So much for your superior AI.

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Dark and Light - Interview 8

Dark and Light - Interview 9

does anybody else notice the eerily similar responses?

My thoughts exactly, the more I hear about DF the more it reminds me of DnL.

"The only feature we haven’t had time to implement is the Mahirim 4 legged run. Mahirim characters can of course use mounts until this is implemented."

According to the beta testers, this is an outright lie. This company is going to turn out to be another Funcom.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/betaleaks/topic/1226463/3/

Originally posted by Hersaint

ARAC= All races all characters?

Just wondering, cuz I thought I heard that term in Shadowbane when I played it a few years ago.

 Not sure if this was already answered, but I am not reading all of the replies to see.  I first heard ARAC back in the original EQ days.  It stood for All Races All Classes.  And yeah, the term was thrown around quite a bit SB.

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by ipon

All hail Javac.. the last ultimate deluded fanboy.

How pathetic can you get. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

Maybe he is beta too?

Half the members here are in beta you know.

I am also in the Beta and I must say that Darkfall is absolutely revolutionary. You'd be a moron not to at least try this; I wouldn't go so far as to suggest pre-ordering, because trust is a hard thing to build and Tasos has been doing a terrible job. However, he's not lying. I don't care if the game's feature complete or not; right now, it's fun and incredibly awesome enough to beat down all the AAA MMOs that are out right now.

Go Darkfall 2009!

So there are 1500 beta testers, the servers are down way more than half the time, and they have already turned off 'most' of the mobs in the game and replaced guards with static towers.   Most beta testers are not logged in at the same time.

Yet we are to believe that he is going to pull off 10,000 players playing at the same time? 

No open beta
NDA still in effect
No stress test
Beta testers getting banned for mentioning anything negative on the beta forums
No system specs
No independant reviews
The game was 'feature complete' 3 months ago, yet features are being removed as we speak?
Pre-order money for a 'chance' to play at launch?

Sersiously.. if you are paying in advance for darkfall, is there anything you wouldn't?

This is all very inconviniend.

I become pretty shure we will not see a launch on the 25th. ;-/

Unfortunately may EvE testaccount ends in some days...

Hope dies at last...

Originally posted by ipon

All hail Javac.. the last ultimate deluded fanboy.

How pathetic can you get. Stop embarrassing yourself.

This, from the guy who has been creating and recreating mmorpg.com accounts over and over to troll Darkfall for at least *2 years*, lmao.

create mmorpg.com account, post some lies about darkfall, send private messages to people who call you out, get banned by mmorpg.com 2-3 days later, then repeat the cycle. *for over 2 years*

...and you call other people pathetic?

seriously, what did tasos/aventurine do to you? some rumours say you were employed by them at one point but were fired for incompetence... is that really true? pls clear this up for us, your dedication to slandering darkfall is second to none.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by ipon

All hail Javac.. the last ultimate deluded fanboy.

How pathetic can you get. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

This, from the guy who has been creating and recreating mmorpg.com accounts over and over to troll Darkfall for at least *2 years*, lmao.

 

 

create mmorpg.com account, post some lies about darkfall, send private messages to people who call you out, get banned by mmorpg.com 2-3 days later, then repeat the cycle. *for over 2 years*

 

...and you call other people pathetic?

 

seriously, what did tasos/aventurine do to you? some rumours say you were employed by them at one point but were fired for incompetence... is that really true? pls clear this up for us, your dedication to slandering darkfall is second to none.

 

heh you should see the PM he just sent me in response to a post i made awhile ago...basically calling me an idiot.  ive known a few DF hardcore trolls to do this in the past...based on his join date and overall childish behavior...probably the same guy.

love how he doesnt realize that he isnt convincing anyone to not play the game, and is actually attracting more people to the game.  oh the irony.

I must say the leaks haven't helped sell me on this game.  Seems like the game on paper is something I yearn for but execution of the game seems off.  There is too much beta in this build and not enough polish.  The lack of positional sound alone would drive me crazy and the regen downtime is a no no.  This game seems like it needs to be delayed some more.  I no longer want to test a game out upon release and hope it becomes what I want. 

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Originally posted by Alandora

So there are 1500 beta testers, the servers are down way more than half the time, and they have already turned off 'most' of the mobs in the game and replaced guards with static towers.   Most beta testers are not logged in at the same time.

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1) there are more than 1500 testers
2) the servers are down half a day each day but then there is a new build released every 1-2 days.
3) all mobs are in the game except for special/named mobs.
4) guard towers have been in for over 18 months... where have you been?

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Beta testers getting banned for mentioning anything negative on the beta forums

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lol... a handful of *trolls* have been kicked from the beta for non-constructive whining and replaced with new testers, as they should be -- those guys were morons and most of them had less than 4 hours /played.

don't let the facts stop you from ignorant hate-spinning though!

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No independant reviews

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you haven't seen the 100+ beta leaks?!? or are they all being paid off, lol.

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The game was 'feature complete' 3 months ago, yet features are being removed as we speak?

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lol what features have been removed "as we speak"? you guys will stop at nothing to lie and distort the truth of the situation, will you?

"feature complete" is not the same as "fully tested" and "all infrastructure in place"...

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Sersiously.. if you are paying in advance for darkfall, is there anything you wouldn't?

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...just don't cry and whine when you get assraped by people with superior gear/skills 3 months after launch.

...though something tells me you're just a WOW carebear hating on a new game that's trying to be different, with no real interest in playing (too scared?)

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by ipon

All hail Javac.. the last ultimate deluded fanboy.

How pathetic can you get. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

This, from the guy who has been creating and recreating mmorpg.com accounts over and over to troll Darkfall for at least *2 years*, lmao.

 

 

create mmorpg.com account, post some lies about darkfall, send private messages to people who call you out, get banned by mmorpg.com 2-3 days later, then repeat the cycle. *for over 2 years*

 

...and you call other people pathetic?

 

seriously, what did tasos/aventurine do to you? some rumours say you were employed by them at one point but were fired for incompetence... is that really true? pls clear this up for us, your dedication to slandering darkfall is second to none.

 

 

heh you should see the PM he just sent me in response to a post i made awhile ago...basically calling me an idiot.  ive known a few DF hardcore trolls to do this in the past...based on his join date and overall childish behavior...probably the same guy.

love how he doesnt realize that he isnt convincing anyone to not play the game, and is actually attracting more people to the game.  oh the irony.

lol i know. i get hate mails full of tears from his various alts all the time.

sometimes i think he is Tasos himself, trolling his own game to perpetuate its cult status.

what other game in history has managed to achieve 350K+ beta applicants and more grassroots hype that we've ever seen with $0 spent on marketing?

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Sorry but I had to reply to all the ridiculous posts about the Darkfall server because their delusional statements need rebuttal.  First off, all the MMO's I know of you multiple servers to form a game server.  Most game companies do not give out server design information, so you can't know that Darkfall is any different than anyone else.

here is a little IT background for you:

using separate servers for the database backend and for instance servers is not the same thing as what DF/EVE have done, not even close.

1 DF server == 80 x quad core blades in a fibre channel linked server cluster, located in germany. this is for just 1 world. This info has been released by Aventurine, had you cared to read it.

some of the nodes of the cluster are dedicated to doing nothing but AI, which is why DF has been able to introduce better NPC AI to the game than any other MMO around atm.

The whole reason NPC AI is so bad in current MMOs is because of the CPU bandwidth required for thousands of concurrent NPC mobs. hence the terrible, dumbed-down AI you see in WOW, WAR, AoC, etc, these are all effectively single server worlds connected to fast DB backend systems with a pool of other independent servers used as instance farms. All of this info can be gleaned from following forums like gamasutra.com.

enjoy.

Wow, so much hate. I hope this means a lot of people will wait to order so I won't have to get lucky to get a slot at launch. :p Seriously, though, a niche game that generates this much hate must have something going for it. If it was simply bad, people wouldn't give a damn.

I don't expect Darkfall to be perfect. I don't expect the game to deliver 100% at launch. I am confident that it will be the best MMO on the market for people like me who have waited for a game like Darkfall, though. That's the idea I get from initial impressions too. It's not 100% ready for launch (i.e. it can get better) but there's nothing better out there, so it's worth playing... and if people are wiling to pay to play, why delay the launch?

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Sorry but I had to reply to all the ridiculous posts about the Darkfall server because their delusional statements need rebuttal.  First off, all the MMO's I know of you multiple servers to form a game server.  Most game companies do not give out server design information, so you can't know that Darkfall is any different than anyone else.

here is a little IT background for you:

 

using separate servers for the database backend and for instance servers is not the same thing as what DF/EVE have done, not even close.

 

1 DF server == 80 x quad core blades in a fibre channel linked server cluster, located in germany. this is for just 1 world. This info has been released by Aventurine, had you cared to read it.

 

some of the nodes of the cluster are dedicated to doing nothing but AI, which is why DF has been able to introduce better NPC AI to the game than any other MMO around atm.

 

The whole reason NPC AI is so bad in current MMOs is because of the CPU bandwidth required for thousands of concurrent NPC mobs. hence the terrible, dumbed-down AI you see in WOW, WAR, AoC, etc, these are all effectively single server worlds connected to fast DB backend systems with a pool of other independent servers used as instance farms. All of this info can be gleaned from following forums like gamasutra.com.

 

enjoy.

I dont' think you have a clue on what you're talking about here.

I've been on several MMO teams (including setting up hardware on one), I know people still making MMORPGs (who have set up their own hardware on their previous, and current, projects), we are all laughing at you for these statements.

And yes, I've worked on a MMO that had NO instancing.  I've worked on "seamless world" MMOs that have nowhere near what you are attempting to describe for their server farm.

What it looks like is they read about server farms, and copied and pasted... only boosting some numbers.  This is not the sort of thing that a MMO uses, revolutionary AI or not.

EVE's system, which you're trying to compare it to, is very different.  Each individual star system can be it's own server set, with it's own AI, and it's own everything.  Notice the quick loading screen in EVE?  That's your ship's data being transported between serversets.

If this is the case with Darkfall, then fine.  I expect to be able to seamhop then... for those of us who know what that means...

So you may enjoy pretending to know what you're talking about, but really you look quite foolish.

Outside looking in ... this game has nothing but RED FLAGS all over it, and before u start saying im some hater of the game or something im just a onlooker, that comes and looks in from time to time over here cos the game itself interested me while back and w/ it allegedly on the brink of release ive tried to look on a bit more from time to time.

Right now id say those who do invest and pre order ~ unless some miracle happens, u truly get what u deserve, if it turns out good then u ll be able to pat urself on ur back and know u made the right choice, but as of this moment i dont see that happening.

The first flag was the pre ordering, come on even the faithful have to admit theres a problem there, though we arent sure of what they are capable of, i will say this much, if they arent capable of handling the load especially 10k they should already pack up and go home,  no excuse why there isnt more availability. And the other part of them maybe having to do in stages should let u know ~ $$ CASH IS TIGHT N ITS NOT RIGHT $$~  The overall constant change on this subject over past few months is phenomenal and surely this has to raise ur eye brows ~ hes not even really specific on what to expect on launch.

He has specifically said many times, this game could launch today ~ i guess thats why they say its not what u say but how u say it ... from beta leaks and what not it coulda been launched he just didnt say what real state it was in ~ WAIT yes he did ..

As a NA player id say the fact of no horizon in sight of NA servers doesnt go over well w/ me and ive played on EU servers that have been great but thats not the point, sometimes u want to kn u are more regionalized. Playtimes do differ and thats a huge draw for when playing a game like this.

I dunno this game , .... closer it gets and the more he talks really sounded great on paper but seems likes its no where close to the potential it has on paper, maybe its been poorly handled on the marketing and business side and the game will pan out and do well , im not wishing them the best cos if they do succeed , they will set a standard for BS allowed by companies and develepors.

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Sorry but I had to reply to all the ridiculous posts about the Darkfall server because their delusional statements need rebuttal.  First off, all the MMO's I know of you multiple servers to form a game server.  Most game companies do not give out server design information, so you can't know that Darkfall is any different than anyone else.

here is a little IT background for you:

 

using separate servers for the database backend and for instance servers is not the same thing as what DF/EVE have done, not even close.

 

1 DF server == 80 x quad core blades in a fibre channel linked server cluster, located in germany. this is for just 1 world. This info has been released by Aventurine, had you cared to read it.

 

some of the nodes of the cluster are dedicated to doing nothing but AI, which is why DF has been able to introduce better NPC AI to the game than any other MMO around atm.

 

The whole reason NPC AI is so bad in current MMOs is because of the CPU bandwidth required for thousands of concurrent NPC mobs. hence the terrible, dumbed-down AI you see in WOW, WAR, AoC, etc, these are all effectively single server worlds connected to fast DB backend systems with a pool of other independent servers used as instance farms. All of this info can be gleaned from following forums like gamasutra.com.

 

enjoy.

 

I dont' think you have a clue on what you're talking about here.

I've been on several MMO teams (including setting up hardware on one), I know people still making MMORPGs (who have set up their own hardware on their previous, and current, projects), we are all laughing at you for these statements.

And yes, I've worked on a MMO that had NO instancing.  I've worked on "seamless world" MMOs that have nowhere near what you are attempting to describe for their server farm.

What it looks like is they read about server farms, and copied and pasted... only boosting some numbers.  This is not the sort of thing that a MMO uses, revolutionary AI or not.

EVE's system, which you're trying to compare it to, is very different.  Each individual star system can be it's own server set, with it's own AI, and it's own everything.  Notice the quick loading screen in EVE?  That's your ship's data being transported between serversets.

If this is the case with Darkfall, then fine.  I expect to be able to seamhop then... for those of us who know what that means...

So you may enjoy pretending to know what you're talking about, but really you look quite foolish.

oh really? PM me your CV and i'll PM you mine. i work on systems equivalent to EVE's on a daily basis. i get paid to go to international conferences to give talks about this shit. not games though. DNA/protein sequence processing and structure modelling. and you work on a hobby-level MMO. please... do you even have a college degree?

OBVIOUSLY games that do not instance do not run instance servers.

i already clearly delineated the EVE/DF approach from the WAR/WOW approach.

the problem here is your reading comprehension.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Sorry but I had to reply to all the ridiculous posts about the Darkfall server because their delusional statements need rebuttal.  First off, all the MMO's I know of you multiple servers to form a game server.  Most game companies do not give out server design information, so you can't know that Darkfall is any different than anyone else.

here is a little IT background for you:

 

using separate servers for the database backend and for instance servers is not the same thing as what DF/EVE have done, not even close.

 

1 DF server == 80 x quad core blades in a fibre channel linked server cluster, located in germany. this is for just 1 world. This info has been released by Aventurine, had you cared to read it.

 

some of the nodes of the cluster are dedicated to doing nothing but AI, which is why DF has been able to introduce better NPC AI to the game than any other MMO around atm.

 

The whole reason NPC AI is so bad in current MMOs is because of the CPU bandwidth required for thousands of concurrent NPC mobs. hence the terrible, dumbed-down AI you see in WOW, WAR, AoC, etc, these are all effectively single server worlds connected to fast DB backend systems with a pool of other independent servers used as instance farms. All of this info can be gleaned from following forums like gamasutra.com.

 

enjoy.

 

I dont' think you have a clue on what you're talking about here.

I've been on several MMO teams (including setting up hardware on one), I know people still making MMORPGs (who have set up their own hardware on their previous, and current, projects), we are all laughing at you for these statements.

And yes, I've worked on a MMO that had NO instancing.  I've worked on "seamless world" MMOs that have nowhere near what you are attempting to describe for their server farm.

What it looks like is they read about server farms, and copied and pasted... only boosting some numbers.  This is not the sort of thing that a MMO uses, revolutionary AI or not.

EVE's system, which you're trying to compare it to, is very different.  Each individual star system can be it's own server set, with it's own AI, and it's own everything.  Notice the quick loading screen in EVE?  That's your ship's data being transported between serversets.

If this is the case with Darkfall, then fine.  I expect to be able to seamhop then... for those of us who know what that means...

So you may enjoy pretending to know what you're talking about, but really you look quite foolish.

 

oh really? PM me your CV and i'll PM you mine. i work on systems equivalent to EVE's on a daily basis. i get paid to go to international conferences to give talks about this shit. not games though. DNA/protein sequence processing and structure modelling. and you work on a hobby-level MMO. please... do you even have a college degree?

 

OBVIOUSLY games that do not instance do not run instance servers.

 

i already clearly delineated the EVE/DF approach from the WAR/WOW approach.

 

the problem here is your reading comprehension.

First off:
What does a college degree have to do with the statements you claimed?  And yes, I have one (and a minor).  When you lose an argument, or are made to look a fool, do you always go after the person instead of the topic?  Want to tell me what Falacy that is, Mr college man?

Second:
You're telling me that number crunching on DNA Sequencing and running a MMO are the same?  ...I'm just curious, I've love for you to tell me that.  I really would.

Third:
You made some pretty big claims about the state and conditions of Darkfall's server farm... where is any links?

I think the problem here is your lack of topic comprehension, and debate skills.