DF caters to a very niche mmo gamer.  It will never be WoW, it will never be 1/3 of WoW, and it never wanted to be.

I for one am tired of being a clone in the WARs and WoWs etc on the market right now.  If you are say a mage in WoW or a BW in WAR...you have mainly the same skills, everyone knows your class...maybe ya have a little better gear..but in the end you are running around like a chicken with your head cut off using the same strategy against classes that you can tell from a mile away what they are.

This is fine for some people....for others, its down right played out and boring.

In Darkfall...you have no idea where people are and have to rely on scanning the horizon and listening for bow shots, magic, or clanging of weapons.  Trust me its really awsome to get to use the landscape to hide yourself, set up attacks, or pretty much whatever you want.  You have no idea what class someone is, or even how long they have been playing....and if you decide to engage in combat, your ability to aim your attacks, know which ones to use, manage your stamina, etc etc etc comes into play...this does NOT happen to this extent in the linear themeparks...period.

The sandbox nature is HUGE!

Some people love sandbox games, others hate them and want to have their hands held, which is fine.  Want to grind on trolls or knolls to save up for some crafting or for reagants...sure awsome.  Want to hide behind that rock on the road that is between the troll camp and the bank and take out someone on their way back from grinding?  well that works just as well if you can stomach the consequences....

This is a rough and tough mmo that is designed to cater to the people who want that kind of experience.  Get use to it and if it isnt what you want just move on and have fun in another game.  Dont bash people for wanting this kind of experience.  There is one hell of a fun game here, you just have to be into that kind of gameplay.

edit: also huge learning curve ala EVE....will of course send the kids here crying about poor design etc (already see it happening) while others learn it and realize that i tougher learning curve means that the gamplay allows for more things and user control/skill than that of a themepark mmo.

See you in game.

no one bashes darkfall because of its game concept its because it looks like a piece of shit. It doesn't look well made and release was a question for years.

Originally posted by Carl132p

no one bashes darkfall because of its game concept its because it looks like a piece of shit. It doesn't look well made and release was a question for years.

man you troll these forums worse than the fans man....got something better to do?

who cares how long they take to release the game?  what matters is quality on release....anything else and you are a fool.  their investment, their time out of their lives, they can release whenever.

you may think it looks like shit....others happen to think its downright amazing.

which is frightening because the rest of us wonder what you are looking at and slowly begin to question our sanity. When this game fails we can all rest knowing we arent the insane ones. If it succeeds welll im movin to an asylum.

it will never be 1/3 of WoW, and it never wanted to be

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Stopped reading after this, what game company in thier righ mind WOULDNT want the success of WoW.

Originally posted by Carl132p

no one bashes darkfall because of its game concept its because it looks like a piece of shit. It doesn't look well made and release was a question for years.

OMG HATER, HATER, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATER  

/FanboiRant  <<<<< That was sarcasm btw (for those that didnt catch it)

I think your partially right about the current quality that DF is showing, but I think a bigger part is the promises that are broken.     People could have forgiven AV if the game wasn't up to par at launch, but the statements that they made in past about the game being ready and complete just aren't true, and it really broke the trust. 

Originally posted by originalegg

DF caters to a very niche mmo gamer.  It will never be WoW, it will never be 1/3 of WoW, and it never wanted to be.

I for one am tired of being a clone in the WARs and WoWs etc on the market right now.  If you are say a mage in WoW or a BW in WAR...you have mainly the same skills, everyone knows your class...maybe ya have a little better gear..but in the end you are running around like a chicken with your head cut off using the same strategy against classes that you can tell from a mile away what they are.

This is fine for some people....for others, its down right played out and boring.

In Darkfall...you have no idea where people are and have to rely on scanning the horizon and listening for bow shots, magic, or clanging of weapons.  Trust me its really awsome to get to use the landscape to hide yourself, set up attacks, or pretty much whatever you want.  You have no idea what class someone is, or even how long they have been playing....and if you decide to engage in combat, your ability to aim your attacks, know which ones to use, manage your stamina, etc etc etc comes into play...this does NOT happen to this extent in the linear themeparks...period.

The sandbox nature is HUGE!

Some people love sandbox games, others hate them and want to have their hands held, which is fine.  Want to grind on trolls or knolls to save up for some crafting or for reagants...sure awsome.  Want to hide behind that rock on the road that is between the troll camp and the bank and take out someone on their way back from grinding?  well that works just as well if you can stomach the consequences....

 

This is a rough and tough mmo that is designed to cater to the people who want that kind of experience.  Get use to it and if it isnt what you want just move on and have fun in another game.  Dont bash people for wanting this kind of experience.  There is one hell of a fun game here, you just have to be into that kind of gameplay.

See you in game.

 

 

 

Yes, and that is what I really like about it. My only problem with it is getting it all working correctly. There are still some serious issues to make it viable in all aspects. Hopefully they can get it there. If they can, it will be a really great game.

Originally posted by Channce

it will never be 1/3 of WoW, and it never wanted to be

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Stopped reading after this, what game company in thier righ mind WOULDNT want the success of WoW.

Haven't read any of the developer journals i see...not everyone wants to create another themepark...maybe if you spent more time reading stuff and less time trying to sound cool by using the "stopped reading here" forum response..you may actually learn a thing or two.

This game has a "target market", not sure if you know what that is, but it was obviosuly developed for that target market which happens to be a lot less than WoW....hence they never wanted the numbers/success of WoW.

Lots of developers out there right now that seem to be out of their "right mind" as they are designing games that just dont target the numbers WoW does.

Originally posted by Carl132p

which is frightening because the rest of us wonder what you are looking at and slowly begin to question our sanity. When this game fails we can all rest knowing we arent the insane ones. If it succeeds welll im movin to an asylum.

heh no matter what happens on release....people like you will be here claiming its a failure.

This game will not see huge subscription numbers....but the people playing beta as well as a huge amount of pvp oriented guilds are already planning on playing, even if improvements arent made between now and launch, simply because the experience it offers right now is better than anything out there to us.

If it keeps a handful of full servers, this game will be a huge success.

Originally posted by Carl132p

no one bashes darkfall because of its game concept its because it looks like a piece of shit. It doesn't look well made and release was a question for years.

bah Darkfall looks much better than WOW, the current MMO leader. graphics don't mean jack. DF's graphics are good in general, crappy in some areas, and top of the genre in other areas. Overall the graphics are more than fine.

For a serious PVPer or sandbox fan, DF is already better than WOW, even with a few rough edges.

No question that DF is not for everyone though. If you can't handle the adrenaline rush and pain of losing your stuff when you lose, you're not going to like it.

Originally posted by Carl132p

which is frightening because the rest of us wonder what you are looking at and slowly begin to question our sanity. When this game fails we can all rest knowing we arent the insane ones. If it succeeds welll im movin to an asylum.

You're probably one of those people who think WoW looks good.

No, darkfall isn't as polished as AoC or Wars, graphically, but it's by far better than world of warcraft ever was or will be.  Then, when you bring in gameplay, no other MMORPG will even touch it.

I hate the way DF has been managed through its entire delivery cycle, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by Carl132p

which is frightening because the rest of us wonder what you are looking at and slowly begin to question our sanity. When this game fails we can all rest knowing we arent the insane ones. If it succeeds welll im movin to an asylum.

I can`t understand why someone would bash the grapics in DF or WOW, it`s not that bad.

WOW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1dYlAG_Mus

DF  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK3O-itmSSA

WOW has far better animation, GUI and is the best PvE game in the market. But DF is a FFA full-loot PvP game in a huge sandbox world, and some of us really like this. Sure I would like a game with UO gameplay, WOW graphics/animation and EVE politics but that mmo doesn`t excist. All we have is Darkfall, and even with all DF`s flaws we like it better than all the PVE mmo`s.

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Originally posted by Carl132p

which is frightening because the rest of us wonder what you are looking at and slowly begin to question our sanity. When this game fails we can all rest knowing we arent the insane ones. If it succeeds welll im movin to an asylum.

 

I can`t understand why someone would bash the grapics in DF or WOW, it`s not that bad.

WOW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1dYlAG_Mus

DF  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK3O-itmSSA

WOW has far better animation, GUI and is the best PvE game in the market. But DF is a FFA full-loot PvP game in a huge sandbox world, and some of us really like this. Sure I would like a game with UO gameplay, WOW graphics/animation and EVE politics but that mmo doesn`t excist. All we have is Darkfall, and even with all DF`s flaws we like it better than all the PVE mmo`s.

Well, if just half of the Darkfall fans shared your open-mindedness, there would be MAGNITUDES less hatred directed towards the game itself.

Good to see that there are still some Darkfall fans who can be objective enough to agree that WoW's graphic in terms of artwork and animation are "far superior".

 Who cares about graphics?

Gameplay is where its at, and yes the graphics of Darkfall are a generation removed, but that means the game will run smoother, allow more people simultaniously and have less lag.

And that pwns graphics every time.

-Darkstar

Originally posted by Darkstar111

 Who cares about graphics?

 

Gameplay is where its at, and yes the graphics of Darkfall are a generation removed, but that means the game will run smoother, allow more people simultaniously and have less lag.

 

And that pwns graphics every time.

 

-Darkstar

 

Let me clue you in to what owns all else....Subscriptions = Profit.

If your game is ugly, buggy, laggy, poorly run, niche, with no decent CS, then you have no subs and your game goes poof.

Enjoy it while you have it if Aventurine doesn't change their ways.

Originally posted by Gnomad

Originally posted by Darkstar111

 Who cares about graphics?

 

Gameplay is where its at, and yes the graphics of Darkfall are a generation removed, but that means the game will run smoother, allow more people simultaniously and have less lag.

 

And that pwns graphics every time.

 

-Darkstar

 

 

Let me clue you in to what owns all else....Subscriptions = Profit.

If your game is ugly, buggy, laggy, poorly run, niche, with no decent CS, then you have no subs and your game goes poof.

Enjoy it while you have it if Aventurine doesn't change their ways.

This is because of the dumb, unenlightened mass of superficial fools, though. It's not Aventurine's fault that most people are this way. They're trying to prove that there are enough decent people in the world to make a game that stands on gameplay above graphics.

Yet even so, they still have crafted a beautiful world. It's not AoC, but if you can't stand to look at Darkfall, I seriously pity you.

Originally posted by Channce

it will never be 1/3 of WoW, and it never wanted to be

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Stopped reading after this, what game company in thier righ mind WOULDNT want the success of WoW.

There's been a trend I'm noticing in many of the fans here, especially since they delayed the Jan 22nd release... Basically, certain members have been lowering the bar and their expectations more and more as time goes on... it's to the point where it seems it would be almost impossible for DF to disappoint some of them.

I used to see words like "revolutionary" and "ground-breaking" being used left and right to describe DF. Now it seems all I see are statements like "they're just an indie company and it's unfair to hold them to those standards".

I used to see people raving about how amazing the graphics were all the time... Now it's "well graphics don't mean anything. It's all about gameplay".

People used to argue up and down that anything Tasos has stated was absolute fact. Now, after much of what he's said has proven untrue, they've resorted to berating people for unfairly holding him to his word, because he isn't experienced at developing an MMO.

Some of the most common I've seen are:
"They're an indie company, they don't have the budgets of the bigger companies"
"They're trying to do create something unique, so we should cut them some slack"
"So what if Tasos says things that don't happen... He's not experienced at this so he shouldn't be held to what he says".
"Graphics don't matter. It's all about gameplay"

Or, one of my favorites, and a true measure of just how low some have set the bar:
"I don't care if it comes out with a lot of bugs or missing content. Just as long as I can play it"
(that's a pretty close paraphrase to one or two such comments I've seen over the past weeks)

I've seen some do a complete 180 in their point-of-view because circumstances with the game changed. Example being, some insisting it would release on Jan 22nd because Tasos said so... Then immediately saying "I figured it wouldn't be ready" and praising Tasos for delaying it after the announcement.

Some have gone into full-blown spin mode and it seems no response is off limits, too far fetched, dishonest or ridiculous. As long as it's defending or making excuses for DF, AV or Tasos, they'll use it.

They've gone from propping DF up as the "savior of MMOs" down to defending DF as the poor, beaten and abused underdog.

More recently, I'm seeing a degree of self-importance seeping into many comments... Like, now some people seem to portray themselves as champions of some noble cause. And the condescending remarks being made to that end (some right in this thread) are simply laughable.

This is why I will never give absolutes one way or the other, but maintain a mindset of "I like what they're attempting to do, but I'll hold judgement 'til I see it for myself".

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Channce

it will never be 1/3 of WoW, and it never wanted to be

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Stopped reading after this, what game company in thier righ mind WOULDNT want the success of WoW.

 

There's been a trend I'm noticing in many of the fans here, especially since they delayed the Jan 22nd release... Basically, certain members have been lowering the bar and their expectations more and more as time goes on... it's to the point where it seems it would be almost impossible for DF to disappoint some of them.

I used to see words like "revolutionary" and "ground-breaking" being used left and right to describe DF. Now it seems all I see are statements like "they're just an indie company and it's unfair to hold them to those standards".

I used to see people raving about how amazing the graphics were all the time... Now it's "well graphics don't mean anything. It's all about gameplay".

People used to argue up and down that anything Tasos has stated was absolute fact. Now, after much of what he's said has proven untrue, they've resorted to berating people for unfairly holding him to his word, because he isn't experienced at developing an MMO.

Some of the most common I've seen are:
"They're an indie company, they don't have the budgets of the bigger companies"
"They're trying to do create something unique, so we should cut them some slack"
"So what if Tasos says things that don't happen... He's not experienced at this so he shouldn't be held to what he says".
"Graphics don't matter. It's all about gameplay"

Or, one of my favorites, and a true measure of just how low some have set the bar:
"I don't care if it comes out with a lot of bugs or missing content. Just as long as I can play it"
(that's a pretty close paraphrase to one or two such comments I've seen over the past weeks)

I've seen some do a complete 180 in their point-of-view because circumstances with the game changed. Example being, some insisting it would release on Jan 22nd because Tasos said so... Then immediately saying "I figured it wouldn't be ready" and praising Tasos for delaying it after the announcement.

Some have gone into full-blown spin mode and it seems no response is off limits, too far fetched, dishonest or ridiculous. As long as it's defending DF, AV or Tasos, they'll use it.

They've gone from propping DF up as the "savior of MMOs" down to defending DF as the poor, beaten and abused underdog.

More recently, I'm seeing a degree of self-importance seeping into many comments... Like now people see themselves as champions of some noble cause. And the condescending remarks being made to that end (some right in this thread) are simply laughable.

This is why I will never give absolutes one way or the other, but maintain a mindset of "I like what they're attempting to do, but I'll hold judgement 'til I see it for myself".

 

Way too much sense in that post. So much so that you will be branded as a troll and reported for hate crimes against Tasos or some crap.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Channce

it will never be 1/3 of WoW, and it never wanted to be

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Stopped reading after this, what game company in thier righ mind WOULDNT want the success of WoW.

 

Way too much sense in that post. So much so that you will be branded as a troll and reported for hate crimes against Tasos or some crap.

Quite likely.

At the very least, I'll be labeled at "hater" ... even though I've said not a single bad thing about the game in that post.

Really, I'm just fascinated with human behavior and the things people will say "with a straight face", so to speak. It really amazes - and amuses - me.

You really think you can compare the learning curve to EVE?

That's like comparing Diablo to Dwarf Fortress.

Darkfall may be called a lot of things, but no thinking man could ever accuse it of having particularly complex mechanics.

Originally posted by originalegg

The sandbox nature is HUGE!

Some people love sandbox games, others hate them and want to have their hands held, which is fine.  Want to grind on trolls or knolls to save up for some crafting or for reagants...sure awsome.  Want to hide behind that rock on the road that is between the troll camp and the bank and take out someone on their way back from grinding?  well that works just as well if you can stomach the consequences.... 

This is a rather poor idea of what sandbox is. But after watching some of the beta videos, I agree there is not much else to it, apparantly.

[quote]but the people playing beta as well as a huge amount of pvp oriented guilds are already planning on playing, even if improvements arent made between now and launch[/quote]

Improvements? I thought the game was already more stable than any other mmo in history and fully feature complete? Its been at launch state for a while now hasnt it? isnt that what 'the Bill Gates of Greece' said himself? Or do they mean when the mobs are put into the game?

Exactly how is Darkfall a sandbx now anyway,seeing as cities have to be built in predetermined spots ala conan and theres also no player housing? Without being able to impact and shape the world,its more like Shadowbane.

Originally posted by Gnomad

Originally posted by Darkstar111

 Who cares about graphics?

 

Gameplay is where its at, and yes the graphics of Darkfall are a generation removed, but that means the game will run smoother, allow more people simultaniously and have less lag.

 

And that pwns graphics every time.

 

-Darkstar

 

 

Let me clue you in to what owns all else....Subscriptions = Profit.

If your game is ugly, buggy, laggy, poorly run, niche, with no decent CS, then you have no subs and your game goes poof.

Enjoy it while you have it if Aventurine doesn't change their ways.

I disagree.

I now nothing of what expectations the developers have of the game, but I doubt Darkfall will get massive subscription numbers, specially not at first.

This is a borderline Indie game, while the production value is almost on par with mainstream games, its not quite there and the massive amount of money most mmo launches spend on advertising is missing completly.

But thas fine, at least for me.

There is a crowd out there of roughly 250 - 750 thousand people that like me are looking for a better MMO.

ppl that tried AoC, Warhammer online and even Tabula Rasa and Hellgate London.

People who are dedicated gamers looking for that next game to dedicate themselves to.

AoC having failed to capture our attention and Warhammer only achieveing it for a short time we are getting more and more desperate for something new and better to actually manage to get the formula right.

And THAT formula has NOTHING to do with graphics my friend, I assure you.

So my prediction for Darkfall will be about 500 thousand people once the EU and US launch finishes and hopefully grow to a million by the end of the year, and those will probably be the numbers for awhile.

Eve is about that I believe.

-Darkstar

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by Gnomad

Originally posted by Darkstar111

 Who cares about graphics?

 

Gameplay is where its at, and yes the graphics of Darkfall are a generation removed, but that means the game will run smoother, allow more people simultaniously and have less lag.

 

And that pwns graphics every time.

 

-Darkstar

 

 

Let me clue you in to what owns all else....Subscriptions = Profit.

If your game is ugly, buggy, laggy, poorly run, niche, with no decent CS, then you have no subs and your game goes poof.

Enjoy it while you have it if Aventurine doesn't change their ways.

I disagree.

I now nothing of what expectations the developers have of the game, but I doubt Darkfall will get massive subscription numbers, specially not at first.

This is a borderline Indie game, while the production value is almost on par with mainstream games, its not quite there and the massive amount of money most mmo launches spend on advertising is missing completly.

But thas fine, at least for me.

There is a crowd out there of roughly 250 - 750 thousand people that like me are looking for a better MMO.

ppl that tried AoC, Warhammer online and even Tabula Rasa and Hellgate London.

People who are dedicated gamers looking for that next game to dedicate themselves to.

AoC having failed to capture our attention and Warhammer only achieveing it for a short time we are getting more and more desperate for something new and better to actually manage to get the formula right.

And THAT formula has NOTHING to do with graphics my friend, I assure you.

 

So my prediction for Darkfall will be about 500 thousand people once the EU and US launch finishes and hopefully grow to a million by the end of the year, and those will probably be the numbers for awhile.

Eve is about that I believe.

 

-Darkstar

 

 

More likely 50 thousand on release if they get that lucky and 100-150 thousand at best if they survive the first 6 months, but that's just my prediction