Ok so lets put all the facts in front of us.

* Iceland on the verge of a full economic meltdown

* Dollar goes for a complete ball of ***t

* Ghost training is disabled to make up for the losses.

* CCP used to push ghost training off as a feature and now it's called a bug.

What's funny about this is the part where they whip out a loaded gun and shoot themselves in the foot by lying about the whole thing.

There by insulting the intellect of every customer on there database. More so for those who choose to stay.

We'll I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Quit the game while your ahead people. Play something that's not hosted 120 hops from most civilized parts of the world. Where gnomes are not blamed for bad coding and people take responsibility for there client side applications and the bugs there in. Somewhere where you won't be voiced on the forum for stating a fact even if it's not in the companies best interest. Like complaining about bad service from the CCP GM's.

They just want to squeeze out as much as they can from you while there still a float before there little bubble bursts and they know that will happen eventually.

Should you decide to continue playing the game after this then I wish you the best of luck next time you in Jita or doing the same mission over and over and over again.

Have a great lag or a disconnection proudly brought to you buy the developers at CCP.

While your credit card takes the beating.

As for those people who have decided to quit like myself. I'll see you at the release of Jumpgate Evolution.

Oh and please don't compare this to WoW or EQ2 there skill training is not half as brutal...

Okay, have a nice one, mate. Good luck with your MMO-travels.

I'll see you at Jumpgate Evolutions release, as I don't think I need to stop playing one MMO to try another one.

PS. As for the server cluster, it resides in London, hardly 120 hops from civilization, unless you adopt the Gandhi appreciation for Western World.

Tranquility IP address: 87.237.38.200

http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp

I think what you may have there is more likely whats know as a CDN or content distribution network such as akami. But yes I'll see you at Jump Gate evolution and my point is not quiting one mmo to play another it's that I don't appreciate being lied too and sponged for my credit card. Irrelevant of geographic location. Which just so happens to be Iceland not London.

Is this a poor attempt at a troll thread?

I think this was kind of a bone head move on CCP's part. Ghost training has become a bit of a convention in EVE and unless it is causing serious harm should probably have been kept. From a marketing perspective it is a added bonus to return to the game. I came and went once, and one of the things I was looking forward to was seeing my level 5 transport skill complete. It is totally CCP's perogative on what they do, but if it was me in charge I would have kept it (again barring any egregious misuses that I don't know about).

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It looks like the Sunday peak population stats for Eve may have begun to show the effect of people consolidating accounts, quitting, and generally reducing their participation:

39,617 on Sun, Oct 19 (four days after the unsubbed training nerf)

39,258 on Sun, Oct 26 (-359 from prev week's peak)

37,416 on Sun, Nov 2 (-1,842 from prev week's peak, -2,201 from Oct 19 peak)

Next week's peak will be very interesting.  CCP is between a rock and a hard place:  if they report true numbers it will become apparent that they are losing business.  If they tinker with the numbers they risk becoming the pariah of the gaming industry (or worse).

Note that they are down 5,295 from the year's high water mark of 42,711 in Mar/April of 2008.

Originally posted by Zanpt

It looks like the Sunday peak population stats for Eve may have begun to show the effect of people consolidating accounts, quitting, and generally reducing their participation:

39,617 on Sun, Oct 19 (four days after the unsubbed training nerf)

39,258 on Sun, Oct 26 (-359 from prev week's peak)

37,416 on Sun, Nov 2 (-1,842 from prev week's peak, -2,201 from Oct 19 peak)

Next week's peak will be very interesting.  CCP is between a rock and a hard place:  if they report true numbers it will become apparent that they are losing business.  If they tinker with the numbers they risk becoming the pariah of the gaming industry (or worse).

Note that they are down 5,295 from the year's high water mark of 42,711 in Mar/April of 2008.

It's better then the 33k number someone said earlier.

What happened in Mar/Apr that made people leave the game?

Originally posted by Zanpt

It looks like the Sunday peak population stats for Eve may have begun to show the effect of people consolidating accounts, quitting, and generally reducing their participation:

39,617 on Sun, Oct 19 (four days after the unsubbed training nerf)

39,258 on Sun, Oct 26 (-359 from prev week's peak)

37,416 on Sun, Nov 2 (-1,842 from prev week's peak, -2,201 from Oct 19 peak)

Next week's peak will be very interesting.  CCP is between a rock and a hard place:  if they report true numbers it will become apparent that they are losing business.  If they tinker with the numbers they risk becoming the pariah of the gaming industry (or worse).

Note that they are down 5,295 from the year's high water mark of 42,711 in Mar/April of 2008.

EVE died yet?

What was the next week's peak?

EVE died yet?

How many customers did they lose by the "unsubbed training nerf"?

EVE died yet?

51K reached today I'm told.  Maybe the removal of ghost training is encouraging people to actually play? 

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Zanpt

It looks like the Sunday peak population stats for Eve may have begun to show the effect of people consolidating accounts, quitting, and generally reducing their participation:

39,617 on Sun, Oct 19 (four days after the unsubbed training nerf)

39,258 on Sun, Oct 26 (-359 from prev week's peak)

37,416 on Sun, Nov 2 (-1,842 from prev week's peak, -2,201 from Oct 19 peak)

Next week's peak will be very interesting.  CCP is between a rock and a hard place:  if they report true numbers it will become apparent that they are losing business.  If they tinker with the numbers they risk becoming the pariah of the gaming industry (or worse).

Note that they are down 5,295 from the year's high water mark of 42,711 in Mar/April of 2008.

 

EVE died yet?

What was the next week's peak?

EVE died yet?

How many customers did they lose by the "unsubbed training nerf"?

EVE died yet?

EVE just hit a new peak of more than45,000 online at a time. EVE still shows no signs of death. Sorry to disappoint you

Originally posted by Kyleran

51K reached today I'm told.  Maybe the removal of ghost training is encouraging people to actually play? 

Damn 51k? Really. I think I may need to resub again. I love EVE but it sucks my soal away.

Originally posted by unherdninja

EVE died yet?

What was the next week's peak?

EVE died yet?

How many customers did they lose by the "unsubbed training nerf"?

EVE died yet?

 

EVE just hit a new peak of more than45,000 online at a time. EVE still shows no signs of death. Sorry to disappoint you

:D

Originally posted by Kyleran

51K reached today I'm told.  Maybe the removal of ghost training is encouraging people to actually play? 

Yeah.

Maybe they did some good moves these last months. With serverupgrades, maybe the "limit" to when people log of due to lag or other problems is higher.

Looking forward to see what the new retail box will make into of this.

A corpmate reported over 1200 people in Jita  and very little lag if any at all.

Edit:

Just to be on topic. I loved having the ghost training it was nice but I fully understand why CCP cut it out. That reason was that too many people were levelling up characters and selling them but with efficient planned levelling with the ghost training you could level a guy really far without paying much money if any if you paid for them with time codes and then those characters were being solf off for real money. This is why it was removed and I fully support it, though I do miss it myself for when I needed a short break from Eve. This wasn't a problem for years since Eve was still a very small game. Now Eve is getting big and the market is there and CCP had to do something.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Zanpt

It looks like the Sunday peak population stats for Eve may have begun to show the effect of people consolidating accounts, quitting, and generally reducing their participation:

39,617 on Sun, Oct 19 (four days after the unsubbed training nerf)

39,258 on Sun, Oct 26 (-359 from prev week's peak)

37,416 on Sun, Nov 2 (-1,842 from prev week's peak, -2,201 from Oct 19 peak)

Next week's peak will be very interesting.  CCP is between a rock and a hard place:  if they report true numbers it will become apparent that they are losing business.  If they tinker with the numbers they risk becoming the pariah of the gaming industry (or worse).

Note that they are down 5,295 from the year's high water mark of 42,711 in Mar/April of 2008.

 

EVE died yet?

What was the next week's peak?

EVE died yet?

How many customers did they lose by the "unsubbed training nerf"?

EVE died yet?

I, simply just want to ask the questions again.

EVE died yet?

What was the next week's peak?

EVE died yet?

How many customers did they lose by the "unsubbed training nerf"?

EVE died yet?

As can be seen on this graph there was a small dip 2 first weeks of november but then it went back to year high levels.

If that dip was due to ghost training or something else I don't know.

Yup that tiny dip was ALL those ghost training accounts canceled. Eve almost died that day haha.

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Yup that tiny dip was ALL those ghost training accounts canceled. Eve almost died that day haha.

couldn't possibly be new players joining to replace the ones that quit, eh?

 

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A long overdue and much needed change will be put in place with the Wednesday, 15 October 2008 patch. Ghost Training, the continuous skill gain on accounts in an inactive or expired state - will no longer function after Wednesday, 15 October 2008. This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.

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Not an EVE player though thinking of trying a trial just for something other than a damn fantasy MMO, but this caught my eye and might have turned me off because it is so hypocritical.  If they are saying that people levelling up in the time spent = power sense does negatively affect others then that is the best argument to never try this game since you can never ever catch up to most of the players and big corps.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

 

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A long overdue and much needed change will be put in place with the Wednesday, 15 October 2008 patch. Ghost Training, the continuous skill gain on accounts in an inactive or expired state - will no longer function after Wednesday, 15 October 2008. This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.

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Not an EVE player though thinking of trying a trial just for something other than a damn fantasy MMO, but this caught my eye and might have turned me off because it is so hypocritical.  If they are saying that people levelling up in the time spent = power sense does negatively affect others then that is the best argument to never try this game since you can never ever catch up to most of the players and big corps.

I dont know why anyone would Necro this, But dude it's real simple.

The removal of Ghost training was done for one reason because CCP wants people to pay to skill train.

It has nothing to do with people never catching up.

If you train you pay, simple as that.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

 

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A long overdue and much needed change will be put in place with the Wednesday, 15 October 2008 patch. Ghost Training, the continuous skill gain on accounts in an inactive or expired state - will no longer function after Wednesday, 15 October 2008. This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.

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Not an EVE player though thinking of trying a trial just for something other than a damn fantasy MMO, but this caught my eye and might have turned me off because it is so hypocritical.  If they are saying that people levelling up in the time spent = power sense does negatively affect others then that is the best argument to never try this game since you can never ever catch up to most of the players and big corps.

I don't think you quite understand whats happening here, or I am misunderstanding you.

This isn't a case of people levelling faster within their paid time. This is a case of characters being levelled while the account was not being paid for. This wasn't a problem back when Eve was still a small time game and not many people cared about it, but now since Eve has grown so much the farmers have set their sights and they were farming characters and selling for real world money outside of the game and this is what had to be stopped. Did it hurt the small player just taking a break ? Yes, but it's an unfortunate price that has to be paid and I agree with it. Name one other game that would let you level your character while not paying for the account. CCP did it for years as a courtesy because they could, now they can't.

And your thought about never catching up has been proven time and time again is a non issue in every sense.

Caused a big buzz but no major impact. EVE rocks on

Yep..remember there was big talk about the offical forums about how this would drive many of their customers away and how CCP was messed up for doing so. Hasn't hurt it ever since.

My issue with reading this is that CCP states as their reason the very thing they deny about EVE's game system, the idea that new people are pretty much forever behind the eight ball compared to people who have been playing.  Mind you, I don't disagree that leveling while you don't even have an account is stupid but I also think leveling while you are not logged on is stupid as well.  One of the biggest reasons I never really tried EVE, and I think why lots of folks do not try EVE, is because the leveling system guarantees that vets will pretty much always overpower new players due to the leveling system, fans and CCP argue this but then in the statement they made about their reasoning on this change they pretty much confirm that perception about the game.

"capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not."

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Originally posted by AgtSmith
My issue with reading this is that CCP states as their reason the very thing they deny about EVE's game system, the idea that new people are pretty much forever behind the eight ball compared to people who have been playing.  Mind you, I don't disagree that leveling while you don't even have an account is stupid but I also think leveling while you are not logged on is stupid as well.  One of the biggest reasons I never really tried EVE, and I think why lots of folks do not try EVE, is because the leveling system guarantees that vets will pretty much always overpower new players due to the leveling system, fans and CCP argue this but then in the statement they made about their reasoning on this change they pretty much confirm that perception about the game.
 
"capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not."

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my goodness a statement from game developers that supports your ignorant assumptions? Could it be that your interpretation only exist in your mind because you won't be willing to actually think about an alternative to your faith?

no matter how many times this comes up it amazes me that people always apply the standards that they gained from other games to judge EVE, and then assume they can't be wrong.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

My issue with reading this is that CCP states as their reason the very thing they deny about EVE's game system, the idea that new people are pretty much forever behind the eight ball compared to people who have been playing.  Mind you, I don't disagree that leveling while you don't even have an account is stupid but I also think leveling while you are not logged on is stupid as well.  One of the biggest reasons I never really tried EVE, and I think why lots of folks do not try EVE, is because the leveling system guarantees that vets will pretty much always overpower new players due to the leveling system, fans and CCP argue this but then in the statement they made about their reasoning on this change they pretty much confirm that perception about the game.

 

"capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not."

All I can say is you've misquoted and distorted the passage and it does not support your theory.

I've been playing for 2 years, and for a good long time now i do not feel any sort of disadvantage to veterans except perhaps in terms some of them fly capital ships and I don't.

However, that said, I could have chosen and been flying the subcaptials 6 months ago had that been my desire, but that's just not a play style I want to commit to. (Captital ship pilots are severely restricted in their gaming options, for better and worse)

Instead I'm a small ship specialist ,and I can fly more small ships well than many 4 year vets who chose the captial ship route.

And lets cut to the chase about the elimination of ghost training. Forget the excuses, CCP wanted to make more money, and elimination of Ghost training seems to have accomplished exactly that.