Blizzard also filed with the court that they want the monetary damages against the bot company that made them. Blizzard wants the names of the customers that purchased the bot program from company.

So if you purchased the bot program and they lose in the court of law, Your screwed as customer who purchased the bot program. They are also commign after the bot customers.

Originally posted by Furor

Blizzard also filed with the court that they want the monetary damages against the bot company that made them. Blizzard wants the names of the customers that purchased the bot program from company.

So if you purchased the bot program and they lose in the court of law, Your screwed as customer who purchased the bot program. They are also commign after the bot customers.

Yes, you are screwed.

You have been violating the terms of use and are getting ready to pay for it.

Originally posted by Nightbringe1

Originally posted by Furor

Blizzard also filed with the court that they want the monetary damages against the bot company that made them. Blizzard wants the names of the customers that purchased the bot program from company.

So if you purchased the bot program and they lose in the court of law, Your screwed as customer who purchased the bot program. They are also commign after the bot customers.

 

Yes, you are screwed.

You have been violating the terms of use and are getting ready to pay for it.

They aren't going after them for "ToU Violations", they are going after them for copyright infringement. Since Glider copied portions of the game to RAM they are charging that you have broken copyright law and it seems the courts like it.

It is very simple:

Have not purchased or used Glider.....nothing to worry about.

Used Glider.....something to worry about.

It is as simple as that. If you knowingly used the program and knowingly used it to bypass Blizzard's anti-cheat software, then you know you were doing something wrong. Why else would you use the program?

It is very simple: don't break the rules and you are okay.

The sad part is that now cheaters are wanting to blame Blizzard for other things and try to make Blizzard out for being some power hungry company because they are trying and have succeeded in banning cheaters and cheating software. That is just very very sad.

And I have yet to hear a valid argument about the court case and any genuine worry. Every argument I have read is a slippery-slope and the actual legal knowledge that some people are screaming on these forums is really poor.

A court case like this will be up for interpretation for a long time and the best thing for the community to do is pay attention and see what happens.

And ultimately if you don't like the case or what Blizzard is doing, stop playing. Its just a game and its not like anyone is making you play. I don't agree with RMT and the lies SOE have been spewing recently so I refuse to subscribe to any of their games again. One can do the same with WOW if they feel strongly enough.

Mind you the reason for this is most likely NOT to pick on players but rather to scurry out certain businesses that dabble in farming and goldselling.
"OH this company bought two hundred copies of glider...? ORLY?!"

Originally posted by Furor

Blizzard also filed with the court that they want the monetary damages against the bot company that made them. Blizzard wants the names of the customers that purchased the bot program from company.

So if you purchased the bot program and they lose in the court of law, Your screwed as customer who purchased the bot program. They are also commign after the bot customers.

Actually if Blizzards gets the injuction, they won't need the names of the Glider customers.  Blizzard will find a way to detect Glider and change Warden to do that.  Without MDY being able to update Glider to avoid detection, anyone using Glider will be detected and banned, thus ending Glider's usefullness.  The permanent injuction is enough, they don't need the names of the customers.

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by Nightbringe1

Originally posted by Furor

Blizzard also filed with the court that they want the monetary damages against the bot company that made them. Blizzard wants the names of the customers that purchased the bot program from company.

So if you purchased the bot program and they lose in the court of law, Your screwed as customer who purchased the bot program. They are also commign after the bot customers.

 

Yes, you are screwed.

You have been violating the terms of use and are getting ready to pay for it.

 

They aren't going after them for "ToU Violations", they are going after them for copyright infringement. Since Glider copied portions of the game to RAM they are charging that you have broken copyright law and it seems the courts like it.

That's not true.  The court ruled that bypassing Warden was the issue at hand since Warden effectively controlled access to WoW's servers.  Bypassing Warden was what constituted the violation of the DMCA act, not the act of copying the software to RAM.  They actually ruled in favor of MDY for copying portions of the game to RAM since Warden does not prohibit that.  But Warden prohibits the users of Glider software to their game servers.  Since Glider was bypassing that prevention, it was infringing on Blizzard's right to protect their software.  That is what the courts ruled.

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Furor

Blizzard also filed with the court that they want the monetary damages against the bot company that made them. Blizzard wants the names of the customers that purchased the bot program from company.

So if you purchased the bot program and they lose in the court of law, Your screwed as customer who purchased the bot program. They are also commign after the bot customers.

 

Actually if Blizzards gets the injuction, they won't need the names of the Glider customers.  Blizzard will find a way to detect Glider and change Warden to do that.  Without MDY being able to update Glider to avoid detection, anyone using Glider will be detected and banned, thus ending Glider's usefullness.  The permanent injuction is enough, they don't need the names of the customers.

But I wonder if Blizzard can retroactively punish people who bought the program.  What you are suggesting is that players will only be punished if they use Glidder in the future.  What is to stop Blizzard from punishing people who bought the program and only used it in the past.  

If you question whether Blizzard has tracking that could accomplish that..... it does...  There was a player a few days ago who posted about his 'arena ranking' and complained about the new system because of the games he won/ lost hadn't changed his ratings like he had hoped.    One of the devs posted that player's full data from arenas including how the team's ratings had changed based on wins/losses and the ratings of the teams he fought against.  This was done AFTER the fact, which means a ton of information is being stored about every players past progress.  It wouldn't surprise me if Blizzard used the list of names and ran some scan that identified it's use in the past.

Blizzard sent a clear warning to other hack developers.... now they need to send one to players.

I do not use it to start with. Or even play WoW for that matter.

Blizzard will not be able to do anything to the people that bought the program. They can watch you, warn you, but just because you bought it, doesn’t mean you USED it. They have to prove you violated terms. Buying something doesn't prove use.
 

Originally posted by Alandora

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Furor

Blizzard also filed with the court that they want the monetary damages against the bot company that made them. Blizzard wants the names of the customers that purchased the bot program from company.

So if you purchased the bot program and they lose in the court of law, Your screwed as customer who purchased the bot program. They are also commign after the bot customers.

 

Actually if Blizzards gets the injuction, they won't need the names of the Glider customers.  Blizzard will find a way to detect Glider and change Warden to do that.  Without MDY being able to update Glider to avoid detection, anyone using Glider will be detected and banned, thus ending Glider's usefullness.  The permanent injuction is enough, they don't need the names of the customers.

 

But I wonder if Blizzard can retroactively punish people who bought the program.  What you are suggesting is that players will only be punished if they use Glidder in the future.  What is to stop Blizzard from punishing people who bought the program and only used it in the past.  

If you question whether Blizzard has tracking that could accomplish that..... it does...  There was a player a few days ago who posted about his 'arena ranking' and complained about the new system because of the games he won/ lost hadn't changed his ratings like he had hoped.    One of the devs posted that player's full data from arenas including how the team's ratings had changed based on wins/losses and the ratings of the teams he fought against.  This was done AFTER the fact, which means a ton of information is being stored about every players past progress.  It wouldn't surprise me if Blizzard used the list of names and ran some scan that identified it's use in the past.

Blizzard sent a clear warning to other hack developers.... now they need to send one to players.

How can Blizzard determine if you used the software in the past?  Just because you purchased the software in the past, does not necessarily mean you use it when logging into Blizzard's servers.  Only people who continue to use the software are at risk, not anyone who used it in the past and has since stopped. 

If you read the court documents it tells you that currently WoW cannot detect if Glider is running on your PC.  However if Blizzard gets an injuction, I think it's likely that Blizzard will change WoW to detect Glider and anyone using the software after that point will be banned.  It doesn't do Blizzard any good to do that currently, because everytime they do, MDY reverse engineers the changes Blizzard makes and makes Glider undetectable again.  The permanent injuction will make it so that MDY is unable to do that.  End of Glider.

The case came down to this.

Blizzard tells you how you can use the software
If you don't use the software the way Blizzard wants you to, then you are not allowed to use it.
if you use it anyway, then you are breaking the copyright on the game
Breaking copyright is covered by both  criminal and civil law.

The reason people 'hate' this ruling is because any software company can now attach a ton of things to it's TOU.. and then sue you for copyright if you don't use the program exactly like they tell you to use it.  In the past, breaking the TOU mostly was used to just keep you from using the product ( being banned).. but with this ruling, they can go after you in civil and criminal court.

Yes they can go after you in a civil and criminal court. Only if they can show you broke the TOU. Buying it doesn't prove use

Originally posted by templarga

It is very simple:

Have not purchased or used Glider.....nothing to worry about.

Used Glider.....something to worry about.

It is as simple as that. If you knowingly used the program and knowingly used it to bypass Blizzard's anti-cheat software, then you know you were doing something wrong. Why else would you use the program?

It is very simple: don't break the rules and you are okay.

The sad part is that now cheaters are wanting to blame Blizzard for other things and try to make Blizzard out for being some power hungry company because they are trying and have succeeded in banning cheaters and cheating software. That is just very very sad.

And I have yet to hear a valid argument about the court case and any genuine worry. Every argument I have read is a slippery-slope and the actual legal knowledge that some people are screaming on these forums is really poor.

A court case like this will be up for interpretation for a long time and the best thing for the community to do is pay attention and see what happens.

And ultimately if you don't like the case or what Blizzard is doing, stop playing. Its just a game and its not like anyone is making you play. I don't agree with RMT and the lies SOE have been spewing recently so I refuse to subscribe to any of their games again. One can do the same with WOW if they feel strongly enough.

I agree with most of this except...

"And I have yet to hear a valid argument about the court case and any genuine worry. Every argument I have read is a slippery-slope and the actual legal knowledge that some people are screaming on these forums is really poor.

A court case like this will be up for interpretation for a long time and the best thing for the community to do is pay attention and see what happens."

This "update 2" was for the DMCA ruling... in the first ruling the federal judge had already ruled that:

1) The program was in violation of copyright

2) Anyone using the program was in violation.

So the door was opened months ago for the next step if they chose to take it.  No doubt there would be some longish period of time that this would be in court.

Its a fairly simple logic path to follow...

a) the program is either in violation of copyright or its not.

b) if (a) is true then anyone using the program is also in violation.

I don't play WoW... glider is a non issue to me.  I have played Dark Age of Camelot and WAR .. which was infested by a cess pool of "Odin's Eye", "Skilla", "Xunleashed", Warbuddy ... etc etc etc

Dealing with these morons takes resources.. and resources cost money.  They are in fact robbing the company of profit (csr's, gm's etc have to deal with appeals).  There is X (random number) of subscriptions lost due to these people...

So to be honest I would be more than happy to support ANY company in recovering these costs from these people.

As to a reply I saw later in this thread...

This ruling isn't giving a company the right to tell you how to use their software.  There is actually a software license that comes with the game... reading it might be a good idea.

And to follow that statement... Copyright law and the DMCA are telling you what you can do with your software... or apparantly you didn't read the ruling(s) either...

Originally posted by Nightbringe1

Originally posted by Furor

Blizzard also filed with the court that they want the monetary damages against the bot company that made them. Blizzard wants the names of the customers that purchased the bot program from company.

So if you purchased the bot program and they lose in the court of law, Your screwed as customer who purchased the bot program. They are also commign after the bot customers.

 

Yes, you are screwed.

You have been violating the terms of use and are getting ready to pay for it.

AKA CHEATING.

fact of the matter is, blizz can wield the banstick however and wherever they see fit... they don't need to prove you were botting, just suspect it.  they'd have to be real pricks to use the list of people that purchased glider though.