Hello.

First of all i want to thx the cosy-isk team for the guidance and help. My name in game is FARGANTH.

Eve is a great game. At least , is my a opinion. Yes, its true that at the beginnig seems a hard game and you fell pretty far away in skill terms from the vet players. There are tutorials and a lot of people willing to help. Check the corp channel for help due the rockie channel is too crowded...  And there are a lot of guides (all types)... And important thing to be aware is that depending on what you want to do, you can be someone since the begining. Little ships with low skilled players are still needed for tackling for example.

The atmosphere of the game is the space so the empty feeling is a must have feeling. But you have to notice that nowadays there are peaks of 45000 players at the server. If you like to be a loner then its perfect for you. If you like to socialize then its not hard to join a player corp. There are hundreds of player corps.

Maybe its true that with all those type of items and skils and etc you can be very confused at the beginning but think that later you will enjoy those variations.  Maybe the skills are slow to raise due the learning tree long time training and due advanced levels but i repeat that it depens on what you want to do and there are a lot of things to do.

See you!

congrats for 'getting' what eve is all about. Good luck and fly safe!

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

 EVE is a great concept, but a poor game.

Freedom is only percieved and complexity is in number of items, not so much in ways you can use them.

The feeling of flying the ship is detached and combat is too passive to be an engaging expirience.

The biggest accomplishment is the way in which it simulates free market and sense of character progression, it's just a shame it doesen't give you more options, especially if you prefer not to socialise.

I'm glad you like it, but I wish someone takes that concept and makes a game around it.

Originally posted by LZBong

congrats for 'getting' what eve is all about. Good luck and fly safe!

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

Seems 12 year old griefers join games so they can do this very thing.  Tell me;  what is the appeal?

Is it the fact that you are anonymous, causing trouble, that gives you a thrill?  I left WoW after 2 years of playing because of players with this very same mentality.  Please:  What is it that motivates a person to do this?

Originally posted by Piivot

Originally posted by LZBong

congrats for 'getting' what eve is all about. Good luck and fly safe!

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

 

Seems 12 year old griefers join games so they can do this very thing.  Tell me;  what is the appeal?

Is it the fact that you are anonymous, causing trouble, that gives you a thrill?  I left WoW after 2 years of playing because of players with this very same mentality.  Please:  What is it that motivates a person to do this?

 

Dude get a grip. I think he was simpling making a point that in EVE you can be an ass and get away with it. 90% of EVE has done an ass hole move before and the 10% that havent quit or are the ones that get pushed around. EVE in a cold dark universe. The last thing I want is for Every alliance to be allied because they are to nice to attack anyone. Nearly every war in eve has been provoked by ass holes doing something stupid.

Originally posted by unherdninja

Originally posted by Piivot

Originally posted by LZBong

congrats for 'getting' what eve is all about. Good luck and fly safe!

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

 

Seems 12 year old griefers join games so they can do this very thing.  Tell me;  what is the appeal?

Is it the fact that you are anonymous, causing trouble, that gives you a thrill?  I left WoW after 2 years of playing because of players with this very same mentality.  Please:  What is it that motivates a person to do this?

 

 

Dude get a grip. I think he was simpling making a point that in EVE you can be an ass and get away with it. 90% of EVE has done an ass hole move before and the 10% that havent quit or are the ones that get pushed around. EVE in a cold dark universe. The last thing I want is for Every alliance to be allied because they are to nice to attack anyone. Nearly every war in eve has been provoked by ass holes doing something stupid.

So why pay to play a game with people who want to be *ssholes?  What is the point?  Is it a thrill?

Is it a male thing?  I'd like an explaination of why it is so fun to join a game anonymously, and grief.
 

Originally posted by SonofSeth

 EVE is a great concept, but a poor game.

Freedom is only percieved and complexity is in number of items, not so much in ways you can use them.

The feeling of flying the ship is detached and combat is too passive to be an engaging expirience.

The biggest accomplishment is the way in which it simulates free market and sense of character progression, it's just a shame it doesen't give you more options, especially if you prefer not to socialise.

 

I'm glad you like it, but I wish someone takes that concept and makes a game around it.

This is the words of someone who has played the game from a PvE-only perspective.

If you play PvP you know that you have many, many options for ways to use your items and fitting combinations, especially with the huge amount of different ships. Combat is much less "passive" as well.

There are quite a few options that Eve offers that are not available in many other games either, although you have to be a PvP player and be established at making an income before you can take part in most of them.

One thing you are correct about though is if you dont socialise you will have a harder time getting anywhere. That could be said for real life as well though.

Originally posted by Piivot

Originally posted by unherdninja

Originally posted by Piivot

Originally posted by LZBong

congrats for 'getting' what eve is all about. Good luck and fly safe!

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

 

Seems 12 year old griefers join games so they can do this very thing.  Tell me;  what is the appeal?

Is it the fact that you are anonymous, causing trouble, that gives you a thrill?  I left WoW after 2 years of playing because of players with this very same mentality.  Please:  What is it that motivates a person to do this?

 

 

Dude get a grip. I think he was simpling making a point that in EVE you can be an ass and get away with it. 90% of EVE has done an ass hole move before and the 10% that havent quit or are the ones that get pushed around. EVE in a cold dark universe. The last thing I want is for Every alliance to be allied because they are to nice to attack anyone. Nearly every war in eve has been provoked by ass holes doing something stupid.

 

So why pay to play a game with people who want to be *ssholes?  What is the point?  Is it a thrill?

Is it a male thing?  I'd like an explaination of why it is so fun to join a game anonymously, and grief.
 

 

People play a game where they can be assholes because they know they cant get away with it in real life. Is it cause there weak? Perhaps. It could also be because of law and such.

You also ask "Is it a male thing?" It could possibly be. I don’t want to get into this but we are animals and the male of any species thrives off pride(as well as other things).

Lastly, can you honestly say EVE would be more fun if everyone was nice to each other? There would be no reason to fight and everyone who was left in the game would just run missions. CCP designed EVE to provoke peoples dark sides to come out. Some people enjoy this. Those who don’t go spend there money on another game. EVE may not be for you but for me and many others, we enjoy the life.
 

Originally posted by unherdninja

Originally posted by Piivot

Originally posted by unherdninja

Originally posted by Piivot

Originally posted by LZBong

congrats for 'getting' what eve is all about. Good luck and fly safe!

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

 

Seems 12 year old griefers join games so they can do this very thing.  Tell me;  what is the appeal?

Is it the fact that you are anonymous, causing trouble, that gives you a thrill?  I left WoW after 2 years of playing because of players with this very same mentality.  Please:  What is it that motivates a person to do this?

 

 

Dude get a grip. I think he was simpling making a point that in EVE you can be an ass and get away with it. 90% of EVE has done an ass hole move before and the 10% that havent quit or are the ones that get pushed around. EVE in a cold dark universe. The last thing I want is for Every alliance to be allied because they are to nice to attack anyone. Nearly every war in eve has been provoked by ass holes doing something stupid.

 

So why pay to play a game with people who want to be *ssholes?  What is the point?  Is it a thrill?

Is it a male thing?  I'd like an explaination of why it is so fun to join a game anonymously, and grief.
 

 

 

People play a game where they can be assholes because they know they cant get away with it in real life. Is it cause there weak? Perhaps. It could also be because of law and such.

You also ask "Is it a male thing?" It could possibly be. I don’t want to get into this but we are animals and the male of any species thrives off pride(as well as other things).

Lastly, can you honestly say EVE would be more fun if everyone was nice to each other? There would be no reason to fight and everyone who was left in the game would just run missions. CCP designed EVE to provoke peoples dark sides to come out. Some people enjoy this. Those who don’t go spend there money on another game. EVE may not be for you but for me and many others, we enjoy the life.
 

I can understand attacking opposite faction, but that is way different than being *ssholes and griefers.

Nice spin try.   It still boils down to 12 year old console players being jerks because they are unattented by their parents. 

Well Piivot, Unherdninja has provided some good answers to part of your questions.

As a former EVE player with over 2 years gametime I can both understand your inability to comprehend what drives EVE Players to do what they do, as well as understand that what Unherdninja and others have tried to explain to you is also true.

How you view and experience EVE has almost everything to do with your perception, your "world-view", even your own personal ethics and beliefs. For many EVE is a Player's dream come true and for the rest of us it is a nightmare. Most Players either love or hate EVE, and I do believe it was designed that way.

Is it a "male thing" as to how some players are ashhats? No, not at all. I am male and found that I objected to 90% of the behavoir of EVE Players...but then I have been classified as a Carebear. I disagree with Unherdninja that all males are "made that way" because I am not and I know several other Players of MMOs that find EVE not enjoyable at all.

So in summary EVE is a matter of personal taste and point-of-view....you either love it or you hate it....and most EVE players can't understand why others don't feel the same way about EVE as they do. As much as I will never "Fit In" as a player of EVE ever again,  I can still say I believe it to be the best MMO (all things considered) every created. Enjoy EVE Online if you can as it is very much worth your time and money.

Eve can be a very fun experience. Just remember that it has an extremely high learning curve and that most of the time, things are not as they appear 

Originally posted by Gardavil

Well Piivot, Unherdninja has provided some good answers to part of your questions.

As a former EVE player with over 2 years gametime I can both understand your inability to comprehend what drives EVE Players to do what they do, as well as understand that what Unherdninja and others have tried to explain to you is also true.

How you view and experience EVE has almost everything to do with your perception, your "world-view", even your own personal ethics and beliefs. For many EVE is a Player's dream come true and for the rest of us it is a nightmare. Most Players either love or hate EVE, and I do believe it was designed that way.

Is it a "male thing" as to how some players are ashhats? No, not at all. I am male and found that I objected to 90% of the behavoir of EVE Players...but then I have been classified as a Carebear. I disagree with Unherdninja that all males are "made that way" because I am not and I know several other Players of MMOs that find EVE not enjoyable at all.

So in summary EVE is a matter of personal taste and point-of-view....you either love it or you hate it....and most EVE players can't understand why others don't feel the same way about EVE as they do. As much as I will never "Fit In" as a player of EVE ever again,  I can still say I believe it to be the best MMO (all things considered) every created. Enjoy EVE Online if you can as it is very much worth your time and mone

 

Very well done post and Id like to leave this debate with that.

i just mean i like being mean to people on forums without having my main character associated with my meaness (sometimes), hence why i didn't offer my ingame name to help out this new player. If he finds me by random, i will most likely (90%) of the time pop him. If he convoes me to ask why i did that and starts crying, i will be harsh and LOL at him. If he convoes and asks what he did wrong, what he should learn from that encounter, i'll offer advice and stuff.

Armchair psychology FTL tbh.

Also, it's not a 'male only thing', there is an all-female pirate corp. A girl in my old alliance used to ask me about combat mechanics so she could canflip/annoy people in hisec.

PS. eve is described as a 'cold, dark and harsh universe'. there is no profit in being 'nice'

pps. who cares about wow

Originally posted by Piivot

Originally posted by LZBong

congrats for 'getting' what eve is all about. Good luck and fly safe!

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

 

Seems 12 year old griefers join games so they can do this very thing.  Tell me;  what is the appeal?

Is it the fact that you are anonymous, causing trouble, that gives you a thrill?  I left WoW after 2 years of playing because of players with this very same mentality.  Please:  What is it that motivates a person to do this? 

The appeal is in seeing people getting all worked up about a game, and therefore coming to the conclusion that they take it too seriously. Not against you personally, just in general. Also, the appeal is in seeing people say things like 'you only do that because of the anonimity afforded' or 'in RL if u do this....'
 

It's a game to me, watching how people react to a given situation where they feel hard done by. If those people can't step back and realise that it's a game, and they have perfect control over what happens to them, it's not really my fault to teach them lessons that their parents should have taught them now, is it?

Originally posted by LZBong

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

This made me laugh

Originally posted by Piivot

Originally posted by LZBong

congrats for 'getting' what eve is all about. Good luck and fly safe!

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

 

Seems 12 year old griefers join games so they can do this very thing.  Tell me;  what is the appeal?

Is it the fact that you are anonymous, causing trouble, that gives you a thrill?  I left WoW after 2 years of playing because of players with this very same mentality.  Please:  What is it that motivates a person to do this?

 

Because they think they are being cool.   The little brats get mommie and daddies credit card and join just to make a total nuisance of themselves.    Seriously...their just mean little shitz that need the snot beat out of them.

Originally posted by Garnek       stuff

nice to see ya :)

you should tell more about the corp part  why i dint want to join one in first place and why you are in one atm

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Piivot

Originally posted by LZBong

congrats for 'getting' what eve is all about. Good luck and fly safe!

(won't offer to give you my ingame name so you can 'hit me up'. I like to help newbies, but like to piss people off more, and anonimity is to ensure i can do that in future ) 

 

Seems 12 year old griefers join games so they can do this very thing.  Tell me;  what is the appeal?

Is it the fact that you are anonymous, causing trouble, that gives you a thrill?  I left WoW after 2 years of playing because of players with this very same mentality.  Please:  What is it that motivates a person to do this?

 

Because they think they are being cool.   The little brats get mommie and daddies credit card and join just to make a total nuisance of themselves.    Seriously...their just mean little shitz that need the snot beat out of them.

 Haha!
 

Teala,the more I read your posts,the more I enjoy your mind.

 To Piivot:I am a 2 year veteran of EvE,I am also a happily married man and the adoring father of 3 daughters.(just a little background there)

I play EvE because CCP has designed a well built game that has the features and elements of gameplay that I enjoy. I also highly enjoy the genre.

For me anyway,it has absolutly nothing to do with it being a "male" thing. I often have to play with one hand on the mouse and the other hand on my daughters "Ken" doll.(and who says men can't multi-task) Believe me when I say that,philanthropy and altruism exist in EvE...the fact that it is rare makes it all the more sweeter for those of us who engage in it.

I never target and fire upon neutrals or other non-combatants...however I will not hesitate to "pop and pod" any pilot that fires upon me. I make it a point to donate spare or personally unuseable equipment to newbie training corps like EvE Uni.

For me,the fact that I have total freedom of control and choice over what morality and ethics I choose to adopt in EvE is a major triumph of the game.

And yes,there are an abundance of sociopathic,self-abusing little and big turds alike that inhabit the EvE universe...who as Teala so correctly stated,need the snot beaten out of them, but don't discount and avoid the game on their account.

If you do play....and they will cross your path,just keep it in the back of your mind that they are playing with one hand on the mouse and the other hand on a measuring tape. Look for the real men and women in the game and let the "boys be boys"...and by all means reduce them to atoms any chance you get.

Cheers

Originally posted by SonofSeth

 EVE is a great concept, but a poor game.

Freedom is only percieved and complexity is in number of items, not so much in ways you can use them.

The feeling of flying the ship is detached and combat is too passive to be an engaging expirience.

The biggest accomplishment is the way in which it simulates free market and sense of character progression, it's just a shame it doesen't give you more options, especially if you prefer not to socialise.

 

I'm glad you like it, but I wish someone takes that concept and makes a game around it.

I felt the exact same way.

As for the other people asking about grief play, the reason can be extremely different on who you ask.

I myself engage in grief play a lot when I can. Corpse camping, stealth ganking, jumping on players in the middle of fights. My reason for doing this? To push peoples buttons and see what kind of reaction I can get out of them.

It doesn't matter if they go "FCK YOU YOU LIL #$%$#$% RAGE RAGE RAGE" or if they go "Awww man, c'mon why'd you have to go and do that." or even the rare "Haha nice one, was not expecting that at all. Props."

Its the reaction for me that makes me enjoy griefing. Its a backwards form of social interaction, I love the hostility and anger exhumed by some people. I'm enticed by how passionate people get about being handed their ass on a silver platter in unfair circumstances.

And btw, i'm not a 12 year old brat with daddies credit card.

I will admit i'm a conniving mischievous shit disturber though. teehee
 

Originally posted by UserNoName

Originally posted by SonofSeth

 EVE is a great concept, but a poor game.

Freedom is only percieved and complexity is in number of items, not so much in ways you can use them.

The feeling of flying the ship is detached and combat is too passive to be an engaging expirience.

The biggest accomplishment is the way in which it simulates free market and sense of character progression, it's just a shame it doesen't give you more options, especially if you prefer not to socialise.

 

I'm glad you like it, but I wish someone takes that concept and makes a game around it.

I felt the exact same way.

As for the other people asking about grief play, the reason can be extremely different on who you ask.

I myself engage in grief play a lot when I can. Corpse camping, stealth ganking, jumping on players in the middle of fights. My reason for doing this? To push peoples buttons and see what kind of reaction I can get out of them.

It doesn't matter if they go "FCK YOU YOU LIL #$%$#$% RAGE RAGE RAGE" or if they go "Awww man, c'mon why'd you have to go and do that." or even the rare "Haha nice one, was not expecting that at all. Props."

Its the reaction for me that makes me enjoy griefing. Its a backwards form of social interaction, I love the hostility and anger exhumed by some people. I'm enticed by how passionate people get about being handed their ass on a silver platter in unfair circumstances.

And btw, i'm not a 12 year old brat with daddies credit card.

I will admit i'm a conniving mischievous shit disturber though. teehee
 

Oh trust me...I can be mean, if the other player is being a little arse, I'll figure out a way to make their life miserable in game.   

Originally posted by Piivot

So why pay to play a game with people who want to be *ssholes?  What is the point?  Is it a thrill?

Is it a male thing?  I'd like an explaination of why it is so fun to join a game anonymously, and grief.
 

 

People who get off on griefing are emotionally stunted, small-minded morons.  Pirates and scammers are a little better i suppose, but demonstrate a willingness to resort to complete selfishness to accomplish their goals.  Luckily Eve does not impose an artifical moral framework on its playerbase, so you get to play in a virtual world where scumbags and small-minded twits get to express their inner selves with no constraints. 

Being a truly compassionate, nice person in Eve puts you at a great disadvantage.  That's why it is so much more satisfying to play the game while holding yourself to a higher standard.  If you can manage to maintain your humanity and compassion and still succeed in Eve, I think that is a real accomplishment. 

Blowing people up and stealing their stuff is one of the most obvious things to do in eve, and it holds great satisfaction for those that enjoy the pain and suffering of others.  Standing against this kind of behavior will almost always put you at a disadvantage in combat and will frequently draw derisive comments from those that don't understand what you are doing... but for me it makes Eve the most rewarding gaming experience I could ever imagine.

If you really believe in being kind and compassionate, come prove it by going head to head with the many grumpy little trogolodites of Eve.  Being a good guy is a lot more fun when it actually means something.

Nice spin try.   It still boils down to 12 year old console players being jerks because they are unattented by their parents. 

Concur.

I'm planning on playing EVE real soon like...I can really see everyones perspectives on this debate.

I am a fairly nice guy (unless you piss me off), I play LotRO and I roleplay, and do nice things like help noobs and what not.  That is just the way I am.....but I can see why someone like me, a pretty decent person, would want to play a game like EVE and be someone we are really not.  Do things we wouldn't normally do.......be a pirate, a murderer or criminal or something bad like that.....basically take our shot at doing evil things.

People like me wouldn't normally do that, but a game like EVE would give us our chance to explore that "bad" side.

Now, being a good person, I can also see why it would piss people off when others go out of there way to make it hard on players.  But......if the "bad" person is just being bad to reach their in game goal rather than just to be a complete dicc, then I see nothing wrong with that.....that's why games like EVE are made.

I still can't say how I wanna play EVE, I know if you pop my, I'm not gonna cry, I'm gonna find you and pop your ass right back....simple as that.........it's a game....have fun with it.

Yeah, the thing the get's lost here is that EVE is an mmoRPG. RPG, a Role Playing Game, a game in which you play a role.

Some people want to play the role of Space Pirate. Who doesn't that appeal to? It sounds cool. You get to say "YAARRR!" a lot. You're an outlaw, living on the fringes of a frontier society. When in history has that role not been romanticized?

In a like vein, some want to play the role of Mercenary Sell-Sword, or Industrial Tycoon. EVE gives you that freedom. I wouldn't mind the option of being a Colonial Governor, but that's just me.

A lot of the "griefing" in EVE is just business. If you're a pirate, that's you're source of income. You also become a potential source of income for Mercs and Bounty Hunters. You pay your money and you take your chances.

That being said, some people are just plain maladjusted. But you could run into them anywhere.

Originally posted by X-Porter

Some people want to play the role of Space Pirate. Who doesn't that appeal to? It sounds cool. You get to say "YAARRR!" a lot. You're an outlaw, living on the fringes of a frontier society. When in history has that role not been romanticized?

Romanticized indeed.  And in Eve, just like in real life, when you get down to it, pirates are selfish petty criminals, content to take the path of least resistance.. or perhaps the only path they can figure out. 

Hey, I'm GLAD there are pirates in the game... it would fall apart without them.  Just don't kid yourself about what you are if you choose that road ; )