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  yellowperil

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2/04/09 4:48:06 AM#21

"Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates" is not 'Cheyenne mountain entertainment' AKA CME

 

Some MMOGULS people have registered some companies with the following names

 

Cheyenne Mountain Games

Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates

 

a hell of alot of others, the main problem here is Cheyenne Mountain is a place, and cannot be trademarked.  So please take all these 'Cheyenne Mountain' companies with a grain of salt, if it doesnt say CME then its not CME and not SGW.

Now we have got past that bit, alot of these sites are springing up all over the place and are really misleading people into the sense they are in bed with the company CME, when they are in fact in bed with GW and not CME.

Its actually pretty frightening that CME havent made any comments to rebuff the mmoguls stuff, but I am pretty sure that is down to inhouse politics, whose gonna outwardly say there primary investor is misleading people into buying into a mlm scheme run by GW that has nothing more than being a shop from to sell games through one of his other companies (itzyourmall) that also has nothing to do with CME.

  User Deleted
2/04/09 4:53:31 AM#22

Everyone with common sense knows something bad is going on there for quite some time.

When was the last time we actually saw some real new info on the state of the game?

Especially because this game was suppose to be releasing within a couple months.

Says enough to me.

  Agricola1

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Joined: 1/30/06
Posts: 5041

"The one you call messiah is a lie"--- Gary Numan

 
OP  2/04/09 7:07:11 AM#23
Originally posted by yellowperil

"Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates" is not 'Cheyenne mountain entertainment' AKA CME

 

Some MMOGULS people have registered some companies with the following names

 

Cheyenne Mountain Games

Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates

 

a hell of alot of others, the main problem here is Cheyenne Mountain is a place, and cannot be trademarked.  So please take all these 'Cheyenne Mountain' companies with a grain of salt, if it doesnt say CME then its not CME and not SGW.

Now we have got past that bit, alot of these sites are springing up all over the place and are really misleading people into the sense they are in bed with the company CME, when they are in fact in bed with GW and not CME.

Its actually pretty frightening that CME havent made any comments to rebuff the mmoguls stuff, but I am pretty sure that is down to inhouse politics, whose gonna outwardly say there primary investor is misleading people into buying into a mlm scheme run by GW that has nothing more than being a shop from to sell games through one of his other companies (itzyourmall) that also has nothing to do with CME.

 

Sorry to say yellow but you're mistaken. A list of some registered companies owned ny Gary in the state of Nevada,

THE NOW CORPORATION
PARA MAS INTERNET, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN PRODUCTIONS, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN ENTERTAINMENT, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN GAMES, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN MARKETING, LLC
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN AFFILIATES
ITZYOURMALL, INC.
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS ARIZONA, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS IDAHO, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS UTAH, LLC
 

Notice Cheyenne Mountain Affiliates? He also owns the trade mark "Cheyenne Mountain" and has other companies (such as Firesky) affiliated with it. Just incase you try to wriggle around it (no offence) ;)

Now we've got that part over with let's get on to the deniability that CME has nothing to do with MMOGULs. Gary is not only the main investor in CME, he OWNS it, it is his company full stop. He owns MMOGULs, MMOGULs has a contract with itzyourmall to Sell Stargate Worlds. Itzyourmall is owned by (look up at those businesses in Nevada again!), yup you guessed it Gary Whiting. CME has a contract with Itzyourmall to sell SGW through Itzyourmall.

So Gary is selling his CME product via Itzyourmall to MMOGULs so that it can be used in a pyramid scheme. He owns all the companies but it allows him to have less liability when MMOGULs goes bankrupt. Imagine Steve Jobs owned itzyourmall and was selling Apple macs via that to a company he owned called BYMYMAC, and it was a pyramid scheme. Is Apple involved? Yes they are, is it unscrupulous? Yes it is, would you believe the executives at Apple had no idea what was happening? No, that would be silly.

CME have said nothing as Gary has told them not to, CME staff have been alleged to have been recruiting others. Also Gary has stated he intends to use Commands ingame to recruit more people. CME know what's going on, Gary owns the company legally and financially so they do what he say. Also Itzyourmall and MMOGULS are both owned by another Gary Whiting company named Now Corporation. CME executives are involved and trying to sell this pyramid scheme, that's why they aren't denying it!

If this weren't true and GW didn't own MMOGULs they'd say it has nothing to do with them. But it's all an eloborate way for Gary to use SGW in a pyramid scheme and have a little deniability at CME. "We have no contractual relationship with MMOGULS", but they do with itzyourmall which does with MMOGULS which are all owned by the same fly by night con artist anyway! Smell the coffee man, and I don't mean the Decaf you get on the official forums!

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  Zhiroc

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Joined: 3/03/04
Posts: 219

2/04/09 7:55:54 AM#24

I'd probably avoid the "pyramid" label on the MMOGULS scheme, and stick to calling it MLM (multi-level marketing) for now. MLM is legal in the US, though I''m not sure at what point it becomes not so.

This gets to a point I've begun to realize--that the standard subscription model for MMOGs is probably too restrictive, and that companies will begin to explore other revenue methods. Now, MLM is a bit on the outside of what is usually considered "ethical", but I'll withhold complete judgment.

  Agricola1

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"The one you call messiah is a lie"--- Gary Numan

 
OP  2/04/09 8:04:55 AM#25
Originally posted by Zhiroc

I'd probably avoid the "pyramid" label on the MMOGULS scheme, and stick to calling it MLM (multi-level marketing) for now. MLM is legal in the US, though I''m not sure at what point it becomes not so.

This gets to a point I've begun to realize--that the standard subscription model for MMOGs is probably too restrictive, and that companies will begin to explore other revenue methods. Now, MLM is a bit on the outside of what is usually considered "ethical", but I'll withhold complete judgment.


 

MLM is a pyramid scheme with an earnings cap, also this MLM doesn't actually have a product to sell! It says they may provide a well known football game and MAY provide a racing car game all with no names or specifics and money will come in when SGW is launched ETA May.

So MMOGULS say launch date is May but we all know MMORPGs in better shape than this have been canceled before now right? Gary is selling you dreams and a pyramid scheme with an earnings cap, which isn't legal in every state in the U.S and probably not legal everywhere in the EU. However I'm sure this'll be popular in Nigeria and Liberia!

Aslong as you withold your cash along with final judgement you'll be fine!

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  Agricola1

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Joined: 1/30/06
Posts: 5041

"The one you call messiah is a lie"--- Gary Numan

 
OP  2/04/09 10:41:43 AM#26

I got the lowdown on the Robert Guenther vs CMA and MMOGULS case. It seems Guenther is an experienced scam artist that believes he was scammed by Gary Whiting. Went down to CME to sort it out, ended up making some physical threats and CME called the cops,

Bob Guenther escorted by Phoenix, Arizona Police and Terminated from
Mmoguls (Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates)

After being escorted off the premises by police a restraining order went into effect on
January 5, 2009 for threats Guenther made to people at the Cheyenne Company.

The time has come to let the people know the truth about Bob Guenther and Attorney, Larry Friedman. Someone made a big mistake when they allowed them to communicate with the members of ASD. After proclaiming that he was supporting Mmougals, an online gaming company, he overstayed his welcome and was terminated after verbal attacks and threats. The local police escorted him off the premises and Cheyenne got a restraining order (we'll supply you with the document in the next email but you can find it if you look hard enough on the Internet, its public record) against Guenther on January 5th. Why??? Here's what happened.

In October 2008 Guenther met with Cheyenne Mountain CEO and agreed to purchase $100,000 of Cheyenne stock. Where was he getting this money? We'll let's see... From October 2008 to January 2009 Guenther sent many payments in small sums such as $2500, $5000 and so on, from a bank account of Jaffa Partners LP (keep reading), until it reached the sum of $60,000 by January 2009. (All other investors sent their funds in one lump sum of $100,000 or much more) According to unnamed sources, the CEO got very nervous about the way the money was arriving in such small increments, and not in one lump sum. After hearing rumors about an FBI investigation on both Guenther and Attorney Friedman regarding a certain Trust Fund, the CEO decided to wire the money back to the Jaffa Partners bank account in Texas where it originally came from which is listed below. This bank account is NOT the ASDMBA Trust fund but rather a separate account in the name of Jaffa Partners LP, a company set up by Attorney, Robert Feiger of the law Firm "Friedman & Feiger" on November 24, 2008. Attorney Robert Feiger is the "Registered Agent" on the original document. Here's the link to verify this information... http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/serv...ID=32038399864 We are investigating the others who are involved because money was also wired on behalf of Jaffa Partners LP to the Cheyenne Company from other banks around the country such as the National City Bank in Muskego Wisconsin. The name of the person on this bank account is David Lambert, a friend of Kath Danch, a Guenther supporter and spokesperson on his weekly conference calls. Apparently they share the same views and ethics as Guenther. Lambert wired $5,000 to the Cheyenne Company on behalf of Jaffa Partners LP. This money was also returned to his bank account (we also have this account number) in Wisconsin for the same reason. We're not sure what his involvement is or whether he and Danch are partners in Jaffa but we're looking into it. More on that later!!!
The name and address of the bank used by Jaffa Partners LP to wire the funds to the Cheyenne Company is...
United Community Bank
Highland Village Branch
2100 F. M. 407
Highland Village, TX 75077
(972) 317-9935
We have the bank account number but we will withhold it at this time. We also have the account for the ASDMBA Trust which is the Sterling Bank, Dallas Branch. We will also withhold the bank account number until further notice. And by the way, The ASDMBA Trust is not registered with the City, County or State of Texas. It doesn't have to be registered but why wouldn't it be registered if they had nothing to hide. Our investigator has verified this information and you can also verify it by calling the county clerk in Dallas. David Bruce Jenkins, Guenther's best friend, as Guenther has claimed, is listed on the bank account that bears the name ASDMBA Trust.

David Bruce Jenkins
1836 Leath Street
Dallas, Texas
When a person constantly criticizes others as Guenther does, they are actually looking in the mirror. Guenther has repeatedly accused many others of being scam artists and the reality is that we should have been looking at him and his friends all along.

Here are some legitimate questions people are asking...

* Where did the $60,000 come from to invest in Cheyenne stock and where is it now? Did they move it yet?
* Is it the money from the ASDMBA Trust?
* How much money was raised for the Trust?
* Who are the Trustees? (rumor is that Friedman and Guenther along with Guenther's Family and best Friend are Trustees. What a
surprise) Dan and Pam Richardson were original trustees and we don't know their status at this moment but we will soon.
* Why is there NO accounting of this money?
* Is Guenther or anyone receiving a Salary or any compensation from the Trust? (Did he and his family drain the funds?)
* Has he or anyone ever received a salary or compensation from the Trust?
* If they are receiving a salary, who authorized that?
* If there is no money left in the Trust, as stated by Guenther, how do we get standing in the Court in Washington since ASD has lost
or given up their efforts in the case?
* Are Friedman and Guenther trying to get control of the $93 million dollars forfeited by ASD? (We believe this was their intention all along.
Guenther told a few people recently that this was his intent along with starting and/or investing in another company with the funds)

Since we have the bank account number of the ASDMBA Trust and we know that David Jenkins is the only person authorized to sign checks, as verified by the bank, we should be able to find out the truth very soon. Guenther has stated several times that David Jenkins bought stock in Mmoguls (on tape) so it seems a little suspicious that they agreed to purchase $100,000 of Cheyenne stock in October. (Less than 3 months after beginning to raise funds for the retainer for ASDMBA) Where did the money come from, when previously Gunther seems to have lost everything from his "auto" businesses due to mismanagement and finally a bankruptcy. This happens to be the exact amount ($100,000) Friedman insisted upon as his retainer. Of course they will make up some lie or excuse when confronted. Remember, Guenther was convicted of lying in his Bankruptcy trial and consequently lost the case to the Caddle Company. He still owes them a large sum of money and they are willing to assist in any way they can.
What is Attorney Friedman's Involvement with Bob Guenther and Dan and Pam Richardson?
In August 2008, Larry Friedman was introduced by Guenther and the Richardson's to members of ASD via a conference call where Friedman spoke, we are told, to approximately 2,000 people. He said he would do several things if we were to hire him as the attorney for the ASD members. These four things are recorded on tape and can be verified.

Attorney Friedman agreed to...
1 support Andy Bowdoin in his battle with the AG (Friedman claimed that the Gov't did a sloppy job in their investigation)
2 help prove the business model of ASD. (he stated that the model worked and was a great way to advertise business)
3 get us standing in the court in Washington. (he claimed he had the ability to work in the courts in Washington)
4 help get our money back in the event that ASD lost the case. (he told us that the money belonged to us, the members)
Our belief in Friedman's professed expertise and his claim that he would help us because he had defeated this very AG's office in the past, along with the endorsement of both Guenther and the Richardson's, was the determining factor that led us to the decision to hire him as our attorney to support our efforts. After thousands of dollars were collected, Friedman stopped getting on our conference calls and Guenther began to bash ASD and Andy. Without anyone's approval, they decided to take a different course of action. They began talking about supporting the Gov't in its efforts to go after ASD Members. They turned against the business model and worst of all they didn't notify anyone of this change which is legally, morally and ethical wrong. We should have been given the chance to have our money returned if they were no longer supporting our cause. A lawyer can NOT decide to help the prosecution after agreeing to take any case. It appears that there were many violations on his part (we will send a document in the next email) Many ethical codes have been abused and the victims are you and the rest of the ASD members. We have NO accounting of the money. No one has actually seen the Trust that we can verify. We can NOT get a standing in the court because Guenther says the money is gone. Where did it go?
Furthermore, both Friedman and Guenther began communicating with William Cowden, from the AG's office in Washington and supplying Cowden with names of people to go after in ASD. They tried to convince Cowden that Friedman was the most logical choice to be appointed the Receiver of the $93 million dollars. Guenther has bragged that he is on a first name basis with "Bill" Cowden and that he and Friedman were now supporting the AG's in their effort. All of this is masked by the fact that Guenther claims that they are helping us get our money back from the Gov't. They are going after similar companies as well as ASD members who made money. He is using a very effective tactic called "misdirection". It is what magicians use to trick you. They get you to focus your attention on one thing which actually masks or prevents you from seeing the truth. It's very clever and calculated but Guenther has miscalculated the power of the people who he is trying to deceive. Coming from a long history of magic we have been watching this very closely over the past several months and have been waiting for him to trip up. After all, he's not a magician. He's just a "Want to Be Big Shot" who has lost all of his businesses over the years and is now living off of his wife's income to support himself until he was able to figure a way to get money from the ASD people.

He was terminated from Mmougals for threats made to people at that company and he never even paid the $250 entry fee to Mmougals to begin with. This guy tries to scam everyone he comes in contact with. He has now put his family at risk because an investigation, now in progress, will reveal his true intent. By the way, you should ask him to supply you with the documents or proof that he was a helicopter pilot in the military. He lied about that to everyone. We searched those records as well. People with low self esteem, will always brag about how accomplished they are, when in reality it is usually a figment of their imagination. This is the case with Guenther, a small man in stature, 5 feet 3 inches; at least it looks that way, with a very big mouth.

There's much, much more to talk about. A very large group of people have already filed complaints with the Texas Bar about Attorney Friedman. Why Friedman??? He was the attorney we entrusted our funds to from the very beginning. He's the attorney that agreed to help us and has done nothing. Guenther is NOT an attorney. We would not have sent a dime without the sales pitch to hire Friedman and get a retainer of $100,000 just to start the case. (We have contacted several Law Firms and discovered that a case like this would have required only $25, 000 as a retainer)
We have been lied to about the true intentions of both Guenther and Friedman and we are doing something about it. Apparently there is no money in the Trust to file our claim in Washington. Remember, after getting our money this attorney decided not to show up anymore and for those that requested refunds, very few people actually got their money returned. We need an accounting of this money and we need it now. Of course, Guenther will tell you different but the Texas Bar will disagree. The Bar will look into Friedman's involvement and ask him why so many people are filing complaints. Many have already done so. and we expect it to be 500 by February. Guenther will come out with all kinds of threats after he reads this, trying to stop you from filing the complaint with the Texas Bar, telling you that he and Friedman will sue you.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. He is as fictitious as the Wizard of OZ, who pretended to be a powerful man by scarring everyone with verbal abuse and scare tactics just to keep them from discovering the truth and the truth is... he is nothing but a blow hard that has no authority at all but uses misdirection to keep you from the truth. Don't be afraid, he can no more help you or hurt you than the Wizard himself. We have finally drawn back the curtain and now see the real man behind it and as you might have guessed, he's nothing but a weak fraud.
The first step is to get involved and help each other by filing a complaint with the "Texas Bar" as many are doing. Here's how to do it....
1 Go to www.texasbar.com
2 click on the "Contact Us" tab at the very top of the page, its small so look hard.
3 fill in your information
4 select SBOT department "Attorney Referral" You must select one in order to send.
5 In the subject line type... Urgent...Attorney Misrepresentation??? Use the question marks
6 in the Question/Comment area, type in a short description such as "We hired Attorney Friedman to help us in our efforts in a law suit
and he turned against us and began helping the prosecution". You may use the things that Friedman promised us, listed above but do
NOT tell your full length story here. It's not the place to make the official complaint.
7 In that same box make sure you end your statement/statements with this question...How do I file a complaint against Attorney
Larry Friedman? Where can I find the form? This is important because using the "Contact Us" tab is NOT the official complaint.
8 MAKE A COPY OF YOUR COMMENT SECTION AND NOTE THE DATE AND TIME SENT.
9 Here's the phone number for the Texas Bar in Austin... (800) 204-2222 it wouldn't hurt to flood the office with complaints
Remember, this is NOT the complaint form. You will fill that out later. This is a comment and question area only but we need to let them know and make sure we get the official complaint form. This is just the first step and we intend to keep the pressure on for as long as it takes.
This is just the beginning for these two characters and their team of bandits. I tell you this because it's time to stop them from fooling people with their lies and taking more of your hard earned dollars and give an accounting of the funds in the Trust. Guenther and Friedman had no intention of helping you get your money back. They were after the Receivership of the $93 million dollars that was frozen in August. They still plan to get their hands on that money and I promise they will exhaust the funds as they claimed other Receivers would do by lining their pockets with millions, and if there is anything left we may see some money a few years down the road but don't count on it. He told us in the very beginning that all the money is used up when they appoint a Receiver. What we didn't figure is that they, Guenther and Friedman, wanted to be the Receiver and get their hands on the $93 Million Dollars.

These two people should be trying right now to get our money back but instead they claim there are NO funds left and the only course to take now is have Friedman appointed as the Receiver and we are NOT going to let this happen. And if we discover and prove that these funds were used for anything other than the ASDMBA Trust then we will pursue action that will help put all of them in jail including the family members, David Jenkins, and original trustees Dan and Pam Richardson. We mentioned the Richardson's briefly above but these two people were very active in getting Larry Friedman hired by the members and in fact our investigation shows that Larry Friedman represented them in a case years ago. As soon as that information is examined thoroughly we will reveal the details of that as well.

It's been said by many people that Friedman, Guenther and the Richardson's raised close to $200,000 for the Trust and all of it is now gone. How much more are they going to take from these ASD members? This is one family that will not allow this, even if we have to hire a Lawyer ourselves against these unethical people. We have already spoken to a few lawyers in Dallas who by the way, have very little respect for Friedman and his firm.
Our investigation continues and we will let everyone know what we find. We are very aware that Guenther, Friedman, his partner Robert Feiger and Dan and Pam Richardson will not be happy but we have been unhappy for six months now, and it's time to let the world know what these people are up to and it's time to do something about it before it's too late. Fill out the form on www.texasbar.com and follow the instructions above and then get the proper documents filled out for the official complaint and MAIL (standard mail, US Postal Service) to the address at the end of the form. But make sure you complete the first step stated above. It's important to let the Bar know ASAP that Friedman has acted unethical and is hiding behind Guenther. The more contact we have with the BAR the faster they will act. so, make sure you do both things...
1- Fill out the form on the "Contact Us" section of http://www.texasbar.com/
2- get the Official form and physically mail it via the US Postal Service
Watch for the next correspondence to get a copy of the violations that Attorney Friedman has committed along with the Restraining Order/Harassment documents on Guenther. We will keep you posted on the progress of this matter but first things first...

File your complaint NOW before it's too late!!!
The Lone Ranger
Protector of the Innocent
 

An interesting read, I like the Jaffa company a very nice touch!

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  Agricola1

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OP  2/05/09 12:23:33 AM#27

Thought it only fair to post Bob Guenthers reply to the post, I have no idea if it's true or not though the description of Whiting hitting the skids is substantiated somewhat,

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: You and Your Lawyer Larry
From: "Bob Guenther"
Date: Sun, January 25, 2009 1:35 pm
To:

? Jack,

Some where down deep, you must be a man of commitment, dedication, and pursuit of the truth.. From what I see, you do a great job of researching what you want, BUT even you, a seasoned investigative veteran, get carried away from the TRUTH, because you comment and post without giving ALL parties an equal chance to respond, BEFORE you start your yada yada all over the internet..

Take a look at the attachment.... Jack, I was in Las Vegas two weeks ago launching a product from one of my investment companies, auto/retail/internet related, a fantastic product voted one of the best new safety products of the show, We have been developing the product for 5 years.

Last Wednesday I flew from Scottsdale, where I have been since the day after Christmas, away from my family, trying to help a large group of mostly Mormon Investors keep their $40M investment intact, no learning, through many of my investigative efforts, the company is being run by couple of excommunicated Mormons, one the cofounder, Fred Gagon, who was permanently banned by the Arizona AG from any participation in unregistered securities, fined $700K and now has $11M in liens from that scam. Once I got close to the top, right after Christmas, he fled to Brazil, where his wife is from, and has not resurfaced yet, and wont, because when he does the AG has a few questions for him.. Gagon's former company Para Mas, a predecessor of a company called NOW, was also covertly run with Gary Whiting.. Something I also found out.. Gagon's Arizona case number, filed in October 96 is CV95-02482..

Fast forward to today.. Whiting leaves bolts Utah, excommunicated from the Mormon church for promoting polygamy and fraud within the Merman faithful, comes to Arizona and through a company called Empress Holdings starts a company, with NO INVESTMENT of his own in 2005-06 called CME. Now, having raise over $55M through over 15 shell corps, mostly incorporated in Utah, Nevada and Wyoming, and maybe Arizona, and actually stumbling on to a product, through absolutely NO effort of his own (This is a 2 hour whiteboard presentation). Now relegated to $50k-$150 investors, because NO BIG investor would spend more than 20 minutes with this clown when you know what I know, and NO sophisticated investor would put money into a deal like this without due diligence, then the economy hit the skids last August his $1.2M monthly burn rate to support his companies and personal ventures, he has failed to raise over $400k a month, so he owes $2.5M in pay roll taxes $5M in payables etc etc.. I could tell you more, but since I don't really know what you might post where, I will just stick to public records and public knowledge, that would make my Arizona lawyer happy. The mere fact that I answered your email will probably piss him off, but I don't have a staff to combat all this garbage on the internet, and because everything posted on the internet is obviously true, why bother, because after all, I've never seen a person found guilty and sent to jail, or ordered to pay restitution, by a Jury of PUBLIC OPINION, usually its by a 12 person jury of his peers..

All I can really say about this right now, do your own digging.. Go to World of Warcraft, the biggest online MMORG subscription game in the world, sign on and ask some questions, there are hundreds of Gamer forums, go see what they say about CME/StargateWorlds or MMOGULS, just the mere mention of MMOGULS by a member will get him banned, but then MMOGULS is another story,,, Cant say more, just do your research if you want to give a fair and balanced report.. By the way, I didn't take typing in high school< i took football and any other sport I could play, instaed of college, I went into the Marine Corp and spent 6 years with the USMC, 3 tours in Vietnam, diodnt learn to type there either, so for me to sit down and type this out is a HUGE comittment of my most valuable commodity, TIME..

Robert L.Guenther
President/Managing Partner

Jaffa Partners LP
Jaffa Partners Management Co, LLC
Arizona Office 480-545-2200
Texas Office 972-471-4408
Mobile 214-587-3977
bob@jaffapartners,com

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An interesting story and for all I know true, I wonder what Gary has to say on all of this?

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  Kyleran

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2/05/09 12:36:26 AM#28
Originally posted by yellowperil

"Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates" is not 'Cheyenne mountain entertainment' AKA CME

 

Some MMOGULS people have registered some companies with the following names

 

Cheyenne Mountain Games

Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates

 

a hell of alot of others, the main problem here is Cheyenne Mountain is a place, and cannot be trademarked.  So please take all these 'Cheyenne Mountain' companies with a grain of salt, if it doesnt say CME then its not CME and not SGW.

Now we have got past that bit, alot of these sites are springing up all over the place and are really misleading people into the sense they are in bed with the company CME, when they are in fact in bed with GW and not CME.

Its actually pretty frightening that CME havent made any comments to rebuff the mmoguls stuff, but I am pretty sure that is down to inhouse politics, whose gonna outwardly say there primary investor is misleading people into buying into a mlm scheme run by GW that has nothing more than being a shop from to sell games through one of his other companies (itzyourmall) that also has nothing to do with CME.

 

You're not a DF fan are you? 

Cause you're not seeing the forest for the trees.

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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  BlakeySGV

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2/05/09 1:27:53 AM#29


Originally posted by Kyleran

Cause you're not seeing the forest for the trees.

That's for sure, considering ALL of these companies have long ago been shown to be owned by the same guy.

I think now the thing to do is wait for the shoe to drop and the announcement made about how these three companies are going to "officially" tied together. It's only a matter of time in my opinion. I think it's been the plan all along and they're just waiting on something yet unknown. Or waiting until just before the game is released to lessen the chances of MGM/Sony stepping in and putting a halt to things.

  Agricola1

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OP  2/05/09 2:37:46 AM#30
Originally posted by BlakeySGV

 


Originally posted by Kyleran

Cause you're not seeing the forest for the trees.

That's for sure, considering ALL of these companies have long ago been shown to be owned by the same guy.

 

I think now the thing to do is wait for the shoe to drop and the announcement made about how these three companies are going to "officially" tied together. It's only a matter of time in my opinion. I think it's been the plan all along and they're just waiting on something yet unknown. Or waiting until just before the game is released to lessen the chances of MGM/Sony stepping in and putting a halt to things.
 


 

The last thing Whiting wants is to merge these companies or have them tied together, most of his companies have been alleged to be mere shell corps used to raise cash to by the SGW IP and get the project moving. He wants his debt spread out amongst many companies to lessen the damage.

I don't believe MMOGULs will last that long, it'll keep on going until the base of the pyramid is so large they cannot find enough people to sign up anymore. Then when the money stops he'll pull the plug andf let it go bankrupt. His objective is to reach atleast $50, if he gets this before SGW is launched my fear is he'll decide it's better to keep the money and let CME and all the shell companies fall rather than pay off the debts he owes and hope SGW sells.

Although if he does release it and it's a CME game I would rather eat glass than buy it. I seriously thought that no-one could make Smedley look legit, but Gary Whiting makes Smed seem like a choir boy!

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  Zhiroc

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2/05/09 6:13:50 PM#31

Wow.... that's all I can say... Wow...

I had presumed that CME had fallen prey to the usual suspects: overambitious features, underestimated schedules, underfunded budget, and exacerbated by the economy and  the lack of finding new investors, or having the existing ones pull out...

And it still may be. I won't presume the above is completely true either.

But, if it is, one has to wonder how MGM ever bought into this. Whiting must have had to propose a business plan, including funding, in order to buy the license. Did MGM simply go at the money and say "Where do we sign?" I just can't see any sane analysis of this being bought into by a studio. Hollywood is not known for being noobs in finance. Or did Whiting pull a fast one and misrepresent it, in which case, could MGM yoink the license?

The alternative is that MGM bought into this, which would just be another Wow

 

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OP  2/08/09 9:33:44 AM#32

To those that still deny Gary Whiting owns CME, click. He's chairman and the only official director, he registered the company and sold shares to raise capital. With no other information to refute that he is no longer the largest shareholder or owns the company the logical and prudent course to take is that he still is in control, and in control of MMOGULs and Itzyourmall!

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  Agricola1

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OP  2/10/09 5:23:14 AM#33

Take a look at this interview click it confirms that Gary is the man but also goes on to talk about social networking. The guy interviewed states how SGW is going to be a part of a massive social network of CME products and perhaps other products. This all seems like a frightening prospect to anyone who wants to play SGW, SGC is merely a recruiting area for MMOGUL commands and a whole plethora of other products. I also doubt CME will prevent the proliferation of social networking commands harassing gamers and using it to push X product.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  Agricola1

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OP  2/14/09 7:33:45 AM#34

Read this click I'll keep it to the rumour room until I find anything else out about this. Though I suspect Gary is in cahoots scamming the best he can on every front before he has to bolt with the cash. For those that don't want to click,


"Ripoff Report Verified Safe
JORDE TESSLER HAS TAKING 200,000k FROM ME RAISING THE SHARE'S AMOUNTS TO TURN A PROFIT FOR HIS OWN POCKET WHEN THE THERE REALLY NOT WORTH AS MUCH AS THEY ARE. HE TELLS THE INVESTOR TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO A 3RD PARTY COMPANY CALLED JORDISA LLC AND HAS CHEYENNE MT/STARGATE CUT THE SHARE'S TO THE PERSON OR COMPANY.

HE PROMISED ME THE THE GAME WOULD BE OUT IN 8-8-2008. JORDE NEEDS TO BE STOP HE'S MAKING A QUICK BUCK WHEN THE GAME IS NOT EVAN FINNISH WITH OUT A Securities License. HE WILL ALSO TAKE YOU ON A TOUR OF HIS HVAC COMPANY 'American Home Maintenance' TO MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT INVESTING TOTAL SCAMMER BE AWARE OF THIS MAN

SAM
mesa, Arizona
U.S.A."
 

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  Agricola1

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OP  3/01/09 2:34:07 PM#35

A statement from Robert Guenther has claimed that many staff are being fired at CME due to their refusal to co operate with Gary Whiting's MMOGULs scheme. He also claims among other things that CME owes $2.5 to the IRS! Have a read,

You have some of your facts partially correct, BUT do not associate me with this crook Gary Whiting. I am waging a successful campaign to have Whiting resign or replaced. He is a practicing Polygamist, a liar, a penny-stock wanna be "big player", and petty crook, along with his cofounder partner Fred Gagon, who has been banned by the State of Arizona from doing exactly what he has been doing, representing or selling unregistered securites in the State of Arizona.

MMOGULS is another scam of Whiting's. Within the last month he has fired anyone who will not manipulate the downlines the way he wants, he has never paid a commission, and basically is operating the beginning of a PONZI.. Taking in new investors to pay the commissions due to original investors, I am one of them.. But he has banned me from accessing my downline, even though I have recruited personally more people than any other person in MMOGULS. I could tell you so much more. Like CME owing the IRS $2.5M in payroll taxes, Whiting's embezzlement of $5M in investor proceeds etc etc etc..

Regarding the suit, Whiting filed a dumbass Workplace Harrassment Suit, it was thrown out without a hearing( See attached) Now he has filed another, and it will be thrown out as well,, That's all he has, plus distributing absolute dillusional rantings about me to the shareholders... Not to worry, his days are numbered..


BOB GUENTHER..........

It seems that there might be a battle for the ownership of CME and ultimately the Stargate license in hand also!

 

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  BlakeySGV

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3/06/09 3:36:12 PM#36

Knowing everything that I know now about the company and this game, when I stop in at the forums and read through some threads I just can't help feeling very very sorry for those still desperately wanting to believe. I know considering the threats of bodily harm and personal attacks directed toward me by some of them I should feel some anger, but it's just pity I feel.

  Agricola1

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OP  3/17/09 3:28:54 AM#37

Thanks to Pugla for this info click, for those that can't be bothered to click,

Case number: CV09-03172

Plaintiff: IO Capital Princess LLC.

Defendant: Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment Inc., dba Cheyenne Mountain Games.

Nature of complaint: Unpaid open account.

Attorney for plaintiff: Geoffrey S. Kercsmar.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  JackArons

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3/20/09 9:06:37 AM#38


Robert L. Guenther Arrested on 2 Felony Counts in Arizona

Well the little man with the big mouth who threatens to 'visit people's homes' and 'take them out" along with other threats and other intimidating remarks has just been arrested in Phoenix You may have wondered why he was not posting anything yesterday? He was busy trying to post Bond on two felony charges.

Miracopa County Prosecutor Jimmie Hicks says he would appreciate background information concerning Bob Guenther's continuing criminal activities. Hey Rookie, our turn to help you out!!

I will get the proper email address where you can complain about Bob's threats to you and where to send the documentation....

Wayne
 

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BREAKING NEWS: Bob Guenther Charged With Two Felony Counts Of Aggravated Harassment In Arizona

By admin on March 19th, 2009

UPDATED 2:12 P.M. EDT (U.S.A.) Bob Guenther, a mainstay in the AdSurfDaily case and the de facto head of the ASD Members Business Association (ASDMBA) Trust, has been charged with two felony counts of aggravated harassment in Maricopa County, Arizona.

Mesa, Arizona, police said Guenther repeatedly violated a court injunction for workplace harassment that prohibited him from nuisancing Cheyenne Mountain and Affiliates, an Arizona business.

Despite the injunction, Guenther continued to contact Cheyenne Mountain in a manner that “harassed or threatened” the company, police said.

Guenther violated the court order both by email and telephone, police said. An infraction that occurred via telephone was recorded and placed into evidence.

“[Guenther] is being charged with aggravated harassment because of the multiple violations of the injunction,” police said. The investigator handling the case said in court documents that up to five separate violations of the order occurred and that Guenther “continues to violate this injunction.”

The case is being prosecuted by the office of Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas. Charges were filed March 13. Guenther is scheduled to make a court appearance April 14.

Read the criminal complaint for aggravated harassment against Guenther.

Guenther is the de facto head of ASDMBA, a group funded by members with the expectation that their legal interests would be protected in the AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme case. Federal prosecutors seized tens of millions of dollars from ASD in August, saying the company was selling unregistered securities and engaging in wire fraud and money-laundering.

ASDMBA members said Guenther has refused to provide transparent accounting for ASDMBA, instead engaging in profanity, threats and menacing behavior. In recent days, Guenther has claimed that someone was impersonating him on the ASD-Biz forum, a discussion site for ASD and ASDMBA members and people interested in the case.

Guenther deleted his account at the forum, an act that also deleted his posts. He then established an account under a different user name. Within hours threats and hostile language appeared under his new forum identity.

Here is a post claimed by Guenther that appeared yesterday at the ASD-Biz Forum (italics added):

Ill tell you how you move on, you can kiss your ASD money goodbye…

None of you 10-12 idiots deserve a fricking thing but a butt kicking, certainly not my time

Arons, Ill see your dumbass in court. You are a piece of work rookie, and when I finish with you, there wont be a place you can hide, and that’s after Friedman..

This is Bob Guenther, my assistant, Maria will not waste her time again in this pissy room full of wanna-be’s, weak sucks, and overweight nagging women..

You dont like what I say, do something about it besides talk.. Bunch of weaks sisters.

The “Arons” to whom Guenther referred was Jack Arons, a Florida man named a defendant in a slander and libel lawsuit filed earlier this month by Dallas-based attorney Larry Friedman.

Friedman is the attorney for the Trust and was was introduced to ASDMBA members by Guenther. Some ASDMBA members said they had turned to the Texas Bar and the office of Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott to investigate the Trust.

 

  DeputyDawg

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3/27/09 9:16:31 PM#39
Originally posted by JackArons


Robert L. Guenther Arrested on 2 Felony Counts in Arizona

Well the little man with the big mouth who threatens to 'visit people's homes' and 'take them out" along with other threats and other intimidating remarks has just been arrested in Phoenix You may have wondered why he was not posting anything yesterday? He was busy trying to post Bond on two felony charges.

 

 

 

Bwahahahahahahah!!!!  That is the funniest thing I've ever read on these forums in all my time lurking here!!  I love how it sort of died and became "who cares" after that post.  JackArons should change his name to "threadkiller" or soemthing.  LOL

 

I do get a kick out of everybody getting on MMOGULS and CME like they was some sort of scandal going on.  So what if they are owned by the same guy?  Whoopdedooo!  Where does it say that MMOGULS is only going to offer the CME games exclusively?  Who says they can't offer other developer's games as well?  By the time this Stargate game ever releases, my guess is that MMOGULS will have enough momentum through other games that reach a much wider audience, that it isn't even going to rank as one of the most popular games they are involved with.  People need to get over this supposed scandalous connection between CME and MMOGULS and just look at what they really are and that is BUSINESSES.  It isn't the first time in history that strings of companies were put together to serve a purpose.  Is it a huge scandal that the only drinks Taco Bell will serve come from the company that owns them???  Then why would it seem so that CME might release games that one of the companies the owner of CME also created??  They aren't even saying they will ONLY do business with CME either, so the whole MMOGULS thing is far less of a conspiracy than the Taco Bell/Pepsi connection.  Geeze... some of you guys will see a conspiracy in anything.  Is life really so boring that you have to think this hard?

 

And as for the little guy with the big mouth... That just made me think of this picture for some reason.  LOL

 

 

That isn't what Bob looks like or anything, but it is certianly the image I get when I picture a little guy with a big mouth.  lol  

 

Where is Bob anyway?  Still trying to post bond, or perhaps still working on his typing skills so he can launch a proper response?  Or maybe his lawyer has finally convinced him to let people on the internet do whatever they want to do.  Maybe he has somehow figured out that MMOGULS and CME are NOT in fact the devil and his mission to steer everybody away from them is probably more effort than it is worth.  I've seriously never seen anyone fight so hard over something that is ultimately so minor.  Personally I always take the opinions of people who are full of such hatred with a grain of salt.  You lose all credibility when you demonstrate that you have lost all objectivity on a topic.  Bob has clearly lost that.

 

Can we all just get back to waiting for CME, or whoever ultimately releases the Stargate game, to actually release it?  I've been waiting for it for so long that I've almost forgotten I was waiting for it.  But then you read stuff like this and the wait somehow seems worth it again.  lol  I love the drama, man...  

 

  Agricola1

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OP  3/28/09 4:07:02 AM#40

Deputy I think what gamers are pointing out is that MMOGULs is an illegal pyramid/ponzi scheme and that's why there's so much drama. Guenther was one of Whitings business pals that helped him start up MMOGULs, if he's in trouble with the law I would wager that Whiting will be following soon.

 

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

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