I tried it but I didn't feel the urge to login and play, and eventually the 30 days ran out. My impressions were only short, but a dungeon and a couple of areas were Everquesty with the mobs, the positioning and the aggro- that was nice. Stuff like diplomacy I thought was just too well 'nerdy'?- as interesting an idea as it was. Lastly an annoyance was losing my trainer and not being able to find him again when I had levelled up.

Originally posted by miagisan

actually the game doesnt suck, it has some great old school concepts integrated into it, and is quite beautiful, however sigil f'd it up badly, and you only get one chance to impress these days.

The game is fucking ugly.. just look at the character models and say no more!

I mean subscriber numbers prove it sucks.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Never as long as SOE is involved.

comming from a darkfall fan?

adventurine are one of the worst mmorpg producers of all time

And what other games have Adventurine produced? Oh wait... NONE. This is their first. Kind of hard for them to be the worst when they havent even finished producing their first title. In order to be a bad production and distribution company... you need to release a game and show how bad you are. They havent done this yet.

Nice try though, think more next time.

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by miagisan

actually the game doesnt suck, it has some great old school concepts integrated into it, and is quite beautiful, however sigil f'd it up badly, and you only get one chance to impress these days.

 

The game is fucking ugly.. just look at the character models and say no more!

I mean subscriber numbers prove it sucks.

hmm, trying to control my typing to allow for idiots.

If the character models are so bad in Vanguard, yet way above Warcraft. Why then are 11 million subs in warcraft if character models are so important?
 

Other reasons may account for the lack of subscribers but an Ugly game is it FAR FROM.

Yes I have played it before anyone comes out with another stupid one liner

Originally posted by peteski123

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by miagisan

actually the game doesnt suck, it has some great old school concepts integrated into it, and is quite beautiful, however sigil f'd it up badly, and you only get one chance to impress these days.

 

The game is fucking ugly.. just look at the character models and say no more!

I mean subscriber numbers prove it sucks.

 

hmm, trying to control my typing to allow for idiots.

If the character models are so bad in Vanguard, yet way above Warcraft. Why then are 11 million subs in warcraft if character models are so important?
 

Lol World of Warcraft's character models are so much better because artistically they look nicer and animate better. Where as Vanguards look like dolls and just are soo generic and ugly.

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by peteski123

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by miagisan

actually the game doesnt suck, it has some great old school concepts integrated into it, and is quite beautiful, however sigil f'd it up badly, and you only get one chance to impress these days.

 

The game is fucking ugly.. just look at the character models and say no more!

I mean subscriber numbers prove it sucks.

 

hmm, trying to control my typing to allow for idiots.

If the character models are so bad in Vanguard, yet way above Warcraft. Why then are 11 million subs in warcraft if character models are so important?
 

 

 

Lol World of Warcraft's character models are so much better because artistically they look nicer and animate better. Where as Vanguards look like dolls and just are soo generic and ugly.

Ahh, why didnt you say...

opticians are doing a buy one get one free offer, go for it ;)

Originally posted by peteski123

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by peteski123

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by miagisan

actually the game doesnt suck, it has some great old school concepts integrated into it, and is quite beautiful, however sigil f'd it up badly, and you only get one chance to impress these days.

 

The game is fucking ugly.. just look at the character models and say no more!

I mean subscriber numbers prove it sucks.

 

hmm, trying to control my typing to allow for idiots.

If the character models are so bad in Vanguard, yet way above Warcraft. Why then are 11 million subs in warcraft if character models are so important?
 

 

 

Lol World of Warcraft's character models are so much better because artistically they look nicer and animate better. Where as Vanguards look like dolls and just are soo generic and ugly.

 

Ahh, why didnt you say...

opticians are doing a buy one get one free offer, go for it ;)

Stop getting your glasses in offers.

Are the bugs fixed now?

Will they raise the level cap?

Will they implement more land into the online world?

Originally posted by jusomdude

I've already given' this game multiple chances and the performance issues drive me away each time, and I don't have a weak system... e8400 CPU, 4GB RAM, Radeon 4850. The game is playable away from cities but in no way shape or form should I be getting less than 20 fps in cities with less than a handful of player around might I add, which is the case.

Yes, same here. So I will pass on this, yet another, Vanguard made a comebakc! thread.

Too bad really, it could have been an amazing game if properley completed and polished. By the time the small time they have does manage to polish the game, it will most likely be obsolete by a few years.

Originally posted by peteski123

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by miagisan

actually the game doesnt suck, it has some great old school concepts integrated into it, and is quite beautiful, however sigil f'd it up badly, and you only get one chance to impress these days.

 

The game is fucking ugly.. just look at the character models and say no more!

I mean subscriber numbers prove it sucks.

 

hmm, trying to control my typing to allow for idiots.

If the character models are so bad in Vanguard, yet way above Warcraft. Why then are 11 million subs in warcraft if character models are so important?
 

Other reasons may account for the lack of subscribers but an Ugly game is it FAR FROM.

Yes I have played it before anyone comes out with another stupid one liner

I've played EQ and EQ2, and I think their character models look better then WoW, which I am playing now. WoW's models look good at a distance, but when you stand face to face with them, they kind of look like a child colored their faces. I do like the game, don't get me wrong, but it's more cartoony then anything. I haven't played VG, just seen screenshots and the models look good from what I've seen. I might try the free trial, and if I like it I'll by it since it is so cheap now, and use the 30 free days from that to see if I'll continue to like it.

Too  many people play a game based on looks instead of gameplay. I like gameplay before looks, if both are in the game, great.

This is reminding me of the arguments over graphics quality that came out on Vanguards release. Here is a list to give you some idea, best at the top, not so good at the bottom.

1. AoC
2. LotR and Vanguard
    CoH, WAR,
     WoW, EQ2
3. DaoC, AO etc

WAR and WoW suffer from a cartoon style that makes it hard to be as certain of where they should sit. Basically you can’t compare like with like in other MMO’s, but even taking that into account I end up with the list as it is. I have subdivided them into 1 to 3, there is a very big jump going 3 to 2, and a big jump going 2 to1.

I am sure some of you will have other ideas :)

There is a 14 day free trial. Google is your friend.

http://vanguard.station.sony.com/isleofdawn/

Originally posted by peteski123

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by peteski123

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by miagisan

actually the game doesnt suck, it has some great old school concepts integrated into it, and is quite beautiful, however sigil f'd it up badly, and you only get one chance to impress these days.

 

The game is fucking ugly.. just look at the character models and say no more!

I mean subscriber numbers prove it sucks.

 

hmm, trying to control my typing to allow for idiots.

If the character models are so bad in Vanguard, yet way above Warcraft. Why then are 11 million subs in warcraft if character models are so important?
 

 

 

Lol World of Warcraft's character models are so much better because artistically they look nicer and animate better. Where as Vanguards look like dolls and just are soo generic and ugly.

 

Ahh, why didnt you say...

opticians are doing a buy one get one free offer, go for it ;)

John..zoid dude,

An 10 year old can draw WoW graphics. Thats why 11 million people can play it , because they can run it ona computer with a geforce 2 and 512 mb of ram.  You picked the one thing that you can argue about with WoW and any other game.

WoW does what it does really well. I caters to all.  Vanguard caters to a much more select group of people and we are all fine with that. You keep your 11 million and we will keep are 200 thousand quality people.

Okay I gave it another go and uninstalled it after one minute. I have a high end rig that can run anything on max settings. This game just chugs along with max settings. There is something wrong with the engine. It just does not feel like it is using all of my system's horsepower.

It almost feels like the EQ2 engine revamped.

Speaking of EQ2, Vanguard also has dreary colors.

And the animations sucked, and water looks absolutely brutal.

God I hate Vanguard.

No I will not.

What you gonna do about it now huh?

John..zoid dude,

An 10 year old can draw WoW graphics. Thats why 11 million people can play it , because they can run it ona computer with a geforce 2 and 512 mb of ram.  You picked the one thing that you can argue about with WoW and any other game.

WoW does what it does really well. I caters to all.  Vanguard caters to a much more select group of people and we are all fine with that. You keep your 11 million and we will keep are 200 thousand quality people.

lol okay where do I start?

The thing about, you know, where anyone with 512 of ram and a Geforce 2 can run Wow, is quite frankly, a very tired and old argument. Try using that system and going into the larger WoW cities using the new shadow upgrade on a 22" monitor with settings maxed. Not gonna happen. Still I would rather take this any day over Vanguard which (much like EQ2) does not seem to take full advantage of your hardware like it should. Not to menation the large, EMPTY world and muddy colored graphics (also like EQ2), the tedious crafting system, flickering graphics, brutal looking water, and flawed Diplomacy mini game and WoW sounds quite good thank you.

What does WoW do right? It PLAYS well. It just has the "it" quality that many games lack. Everything is logically where it should be. The engine is nice and fluid. And the animations are the best in the business. Not to mention art deisgn. I am not talking graphics. I am talking art design. Blizzard has great artists.

Finally, Vanguard in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, has 200 thousand subscribers. That is the biggest piece of garbage I have ever read in 20 years of reading internet message boards. Try something more like 50k.

Even though I liked Vanguard a lot and defended it vehemently until it died from lack of population, I have to agree that the character models are absolutely horrible and the animations are even worse (Yes even after the "Sexy" change). No matter how sweet looking your armor is, you still look like a schmuck with a plastic face and a Barbie/Ken haircut. I can't think of a single redeeming feature when it comes to how characters in VG look or move. IMHO, they should just scrap them and start from zero.

The world, though, is a different story. It looks great (Except Thestran building exterior and inside most buildings in the game, where crappiness rules supreme). And a lot of the combat features are cool. And the crafting is amazing.

The vast assortment of races and classes is also pretty sweet, and the way they compliment each other.

The greatest thing about VG, though, is that it's got a huge, open, non-instanced world without invisible walls etc.

I've quit and come back to VG 4-5 times now, because of these features, but every time I end up quitting because the downsides outweigh the good stuff.

I can't bare to play a character that just looks like a complete schmuck no matter what. (And I DONT NEED SCREENIES! I know what the coolest uber armor in VG looks like already and it doesnt help lol)

I can't stand playing in an empty world.

The dungeons are pretty boring (No traps, levers, hidden doors, special effects etc... heck, you cant even CLIMB A LADDER in vanguard hehe) and quests are almost completely kill X boars and bring me y tusks even in the big quest lines like Trengal Keep.

These things and many more prevent VG from realizing its huge potential. Trust me, I'm as sad as you are.

Originally posted by tarkin1980

Even though I liked Vanguard a lot and defended it vehemently until it died from lack of population, I have to agree that the character models are absolutely horrible and the animations are even worse (Yes even after the "Sexy" change). No matter how sweet looking your armor is, you still look like a schmuck with a plastic face and a Barbie/Ken haircut. I can't think of a single redeeming feature when it comes to how characters in VG look or move. IMHO, they should just scrap them and start from zero.

The world, though, is a different story. It looks great (Except Thestran building exterior and inside most buildings in the game, where crappiness rules supreme). And a lot of the combat features are cool. And the crafting is amazing.

The vast assortment of races and classes is also pretty sweet, and the way they compliment each other.

The greatest thing about VG, though, is that it's got a huge, open, non-instanced world without invisible walls etc.

I've quit and come back to VG 4-5 times now, because of these features, but every time I end up quitting because the downsides outweigh the good stuff.

I can't bare to play a character that just looks like a complete schmuck no matter what. (And I DONT NEED SCREENIES! I know what the coolest uber armor in VG looks like already and it doesnt help lol)

I can't stand playing in an empty world.

The dungeons are pretty boring (No traps, levers, hidden doors, special effects etc... heck, you cant even CLIMB A LADDER in vanguard hehe) and quests are almost completely kill X boars and bring me y tusks even in the big quest lines like Trengal Keep.

These things and many more prevent VG from realizing its huge potential. Trust me, I'm as sad as you are.

Kudos, that was a very well written and factual account of Vanguard.

Originally posted by donjn

Okay I gave it another go and uninstalled it after one minute. I have a high end rig that can run anything on max settings. This game just chugs along with max settings. There is something wrong with the engine. It just does not feel like it is using all of my system's horsepower.

It almost feels like the EQ2 engine revamped.

Speaking of EQ2, Vanguard also has dreary colors.

And the animations sucked, and water looks absolutely brutal.

God I hate Vanguard.

Well, at least you gave it another try instead of jumping on the bashwagon ignorantly.  I can respect that. 

No Thanks.

Originally posted by donjn

John..zoid dude,

An 10 year old can draw WoW graphics. Thats why 11 million people can play it , because they can run it ona computer with a geforce 2 and 512 mb of ram.  You picked the one thing that you can argue about with WoW and any other game.

WoW does what it does really well. I caters to all.  Vanguard caters to a much more select group of people and we are all fine with that. You keep your 11 million and we will keep are 200 thousand quality people.

 

Finally, Vanguard in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, has 200 thousand subscribers. That is the biggest piece of garbage I have ever read in 20 years of reading internet message boards. Try something more like 50k.

And yet agin,

If your in a guild with friends who have a good time adventuring in the world the, ammount of people playing have no bearing.  All it says is to give it a try IF you want, and SOME people who didnt like it when it came out will notice a lot of differance.

Originally posted by Valgar1

Originally posted by donjn

John..zoid dude,

An 10 year old can draw WoW graphics. Thats why 11 million people can play it , because they can run it ona computer with a geforce 2 and 512 mb of ram.  You picked the one thing that you can argue about with WoW and any other game.

WoW does what it does really well. I caters to all.  Vanguard caters to a much more select group of people and we are all fine with that. You keep your 11 million and we will keep are 200 thousand quality people.

Finally, Vanguard in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, has 200 thousand subscribers. That is the biggest piece of garbage I have ever read in 20 years of reading internet message boards. Try something more like 50k.

And yet agin,

If your in a guild with friends who have a good time adventuring in the world the, ammount of people playing have no bearing.  All it says is to give it a try IF you want, and SOME people who didnt like it when it came out will notice a lot of differance.

Congrats you win the backpedal of the year award....Mr....Valgar Von Backpedal!

Next time, just be careful when you throw subscriptions numbers out there. Don't make up numbers to make the MMO you play seem like it is doing better than it is so more people join up with you; it's bad form.

However, what you said is correct. If you are in a fun guild with friends, I dont care if the game has a lousy 10k subscriptions; enjoy it!

Originally posted by donjn

Originally posted by Valgar1

Originally posted by donjn

John..zoid dude,

An 10 year old can draw WoW graphics. Thats why 11 million people can play it , because they can run it ona computer with a geforce 2 and 512 mb of ram.  You picked the one thing that you can argue about with WoW and any other game.

WoW does what it does really well. I caters to all.  Vanguard caters to a much more select group of people and we are all fine with that. You keep your 11 million and we will keep are 200 thousand quality people.

Finally, Vanguard in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, has 200 thousand subscribers. That is the biggest piece of garbage I have ever read in 20 years of reading internet message boards. Try something more like 50k.

And yet agin,

If your in a guild with friends who have a good time adventuring in the world the, ammount of people playing have no bearing.  All it says is to give it a try IF you want, and SOME people who didnt like it when it came out will notice a lot of differance.

Congrats you win the backpedal of the year award....Mr....Valgar Von Backpedal!

Next time, just be careful when you throw subscriptions numbers out there. Don't make up numbers to make the MMO you play seem like it is doing better than it is so more people join up with you; it's bad form.

However, what you said is correct. If you are in a fun guild with friends, I dont care if the game has a lousy 10k subscriptions; enjoy it!

 

Ok,

Honestly i have no clue how many subs the game has. I figured at least 100k with the amount of guilds on there server i play on. Im probly wrong but agin i play with my guild mainly and am not a good judge of the server numbers.

That said i do like the Valgar von backpedel )

Originally posted by Valgar1

Originally posted by peteski123

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by peteski123

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by miagisan

actually the game doesnt suck, it has some great old school concepts integrated into it, and is quite beautiful, however sigil f'd it up badly, and you only get one chance to impress these days.

 

The game is fucking ugly.. just look at the character models and say no more!

I mean subscriber numbers prove it sucks.

 

hmm, trying to control my typing to allow for idiots.

If the character models are so bad in Vanguard, yet way above Warcraft. Why then are 11 million subs in warcraft if character models are so important?
 

 

 

Lol World of Warcraft's character models are so much better because artistically they look nicer and animate better. Where as Vanguards look like dolls and just are soo generic and ugly.

 

Ahh, why didnt you say...

opticians are doing a buy one get one free offer, go for it ;)

 

John..zoid dude,

An 10 year old can draw WoW graphics. Thats why 11 million people can play it , because they can run it ona computer with a geforce 2 and 512 mb of ram.  You picked the one thing that you can argue about with WoW and any other game.

WoW does what it does really well. I caters to all.  Vanguard caters to a much more select group of people and we are all fine with that. You keep your 11 million and we will keep are 200 thousand quality people.

you added an extra zero to the end of that number