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Originally posted by firecow

Unless a WA mod admits to a burning of the bridges I woun't believe it happened. I've been an activ eposter in WA for several years and at no point did I get the sense that there was any burning of bridges.
Most people who played DAOC already know that VNboards were the preferred boards for MJ to post in. It was not surprise and came as no surprise that come launch he'd put his focus there.
Decisions in business can be reversed and should be reversed to account for changing market conditions. What is 100% sure now can change tomorrow. Any sane businessman of any type would do the same thing. There is no such thing as "I am a man of my word" when it comes to decision makingl; because decisions can change.
It's only the bad decision makers that refuse to change their stance on certain things. There's a difference between someone who lies and reversing a decision. I am just surprised how many people simply don't understand the difference.

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Since official forums are on the way whether he changed his mind, was forced, or just lied, probably not worth talking about anymore, at least for me. I've always said official forums were a great idea. Glad he finally saw the light as well. :)

Too little too late.

A further decline http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

till March is imminent.

I guess the effects of the discounted (Christmas) sales are fading off.

This is by all means the winter period, should be a high volume of players.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Too little too late.

A further decline http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

till March is imminent.

I guess the effects of the discounted (Christmas) sales are fading off.

This is by all means the winter period, should be a high volume of players.

Do people really still use xfire? Idon't know ayone who still does tbh. My guild in WAR has 150 members and none of them have the old xfire thingy at the bottom of their posts on our guild forum. Maybe your numbers are a little bit wrong.

Xfire is old news and cannot be used as an accurate prediction of the amount of subs to a game as less than half of most games populations would use xfire or have even heard of it.

Originally posted by Ascension08

Originally posted by gFiz

you want kudos for them adding in content that was supposed ot be there at launch? /scratches head.

 

there are about 50 threads from launch that predicted Mythic would release the content they took out when they needed the surge, and everyone would undoubtedly claim "woot, new content"...when in reality they're just giving you the content they origniinally should have included at launch.  I predict in another couple months when morale is down they'll release two more cities and everyone left playing will look at it like it's the next WoW killer.  Feed a starving man crums, and he'll think they're the best tasting crumbs ever.

WoW was supposed to have Hero classes in at launch.

WoW took 4+ years and an expansion you have to PAY for to add in ONE Hero class.

WAR has already added back in a third of their "missing content" WITH in-game events FOR FREE, and this is no different.

You really need to learn to respect the company for what it does, not what you think it should've done. Yes, the content was supposed to be in at launch, but it wasn't for various reasons. Now focus on how they're putting it back in - mainly how quickly and how they're not charging seperately for it.

I think they're listening to the community, especially with some kind of endgame RvR-control influenced dungeon with Tomb Kings - RvR more important like in DAoC and another lore faction put in at the same time, two birds with one stone. The way they're going about this "expansion" is different as well. Instead of trying to cram all the content into an expansion pack and charge you $30-50 for it in June, they're adding bits of it in over the next 6 months and it's all free. Why can't other games do that?

Now, this isn't as big as other "expansion packs", that's true, and maybe when Mythic adds a whole 'nother area, they'll sell it seperately. But I think this is the best system of improving the game without leeching extra money from your playerbase.

Just my two cents on the whole thing - I think this was a good step forward and just hope Mythic can implement everything well

sorry but i need to take a bite into this one.

I did beta wow. and  when the game came out it came out with all of its features. Hero classes were not mentioned or tested in beta. Hero classes were announed after the game release for the expantion. Also battlegrounds was also mentioned After the game was out NOT during beta. The claims from blizzard were made when the hardcore did blow thru the content and demanded more.

The difference here is WOW did not have these classes implemented or tested during beta.  Warhammer HAD these characters during beta and they were scrapped out along with other content. This content was PROMISED to be back at launch. Now its being added.

While blizzard didnt keep their promise on releasing hero classes till now. They did work more on polishing thier game and balancing out things. While mythic keeps throwing in more things and does little to fix the problems the game has. Who needs more classes when it has many.

sadly even though  1 hero class was added , blizzard keeps getting more subs and more money. Atleast they offer solid pve and really good lore.  while not much endgame was added in the expansion, noone cannot deny the quality put into their pve content. For me the area that has the battle in between the giants and the eathen that are frozen was somthing i would swoop by on a daily basis just to look at it . And to discover the story on how that part came to pass was one very memorable moment. Things like that is what makes conent good. that it grasps you making you come back for more.

Nothing could make me come back to that game, far too linear.

Originally posted by snowchrome2

http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=599


i wonder how do the doomsayers and haters will reply to this news.

i'm sorry, do you own stock in EA?  if not, what is with the 'tude in the subject and your op?

i am neither a doomsayer, nor a hater.  i find mr jacobs' statements about numerous things to be idiotic (oh we not gonna have official forums because i won't subject my staff to the death threats to devs and staff that run rampant on official forums....    oh, but now he's breaking down and making official forums.  why is that?).  i found that after a few weeks, warhammer became pretty boring.  lord forbid you started a new toon.

aren't these new classes, part of the classes that were cut from retail originally?  if they are, then your subject line makes no sense at all.  if they're not, then kudos to ea for getting out new classes so early.  but, i could swear i remember choppa...

posts like this are what turn me off of games.   it's sad, there's probably a lot of games out there that i'd enjoy playing; but, when i read posts, made by players, that are just PR-hype nonsense, it turns me off the game.. mainly because i don't want to play a game with people who are incapable of thinking.

Originally posted by HellsMajesty

Xfire is old news and cannot be used as an accurate prediction of the amount of subs to a game as less than half of most games populations would use xfire or have even heard of it.

Well EA just confirmed the Xfire stats.

December was 300K subs EA says. So not very much outside the lines Xfire showed. X-fire showed a decline to about 30% of the initial sold copies last year...

Now in January Xfre shows a loss of another 25% for War. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2618326/postAction/reply/quote/true

Every time that sample of 150.000-200.000 Xfire players shows the results of what companies publish 2 months later.

Odd isn't it ? Not strange of course because a sample of 150 K is frightening accurate. (unless a temporarely promo stunt on Xfire itself,  the normal measuring of this tool is rather good).

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by snowchrome2

http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=599


i wonder how do the doomsayers and haters will reply to this news.

 

i'm sorry, do you own stock in EA?  if not, what is with the 'tude in the subject and your op?

 

i am neither a doomsayer, nor a hater.  i find mr jacobs' statements about numerous things to be idiotic (oh we not gonna have official forums because i won't subject my staff to the death threats to devs and staff that run rampant on official forums....    oh, but now he's breaking down and making official forums.  why is that?).  i found that after a few weeks, warhammer became pretty boring.  lord forbid you started a new toon.

 

aren't these new classes, part of the classes that were cut from retail originally?  if they are, then your subject line makes no sense at all.  if they're not, then kudos to ea for getting out new classes so early.  but, i could swear i remember choppa...

 

posts like this are what turn me off of games.   it's sad, there's probably a lot of games out there that i'd enjoy playing; but, when i read posts, made by players, that are just PR-hype nonsense, it turns me off the game.. mainly because i don't want to play a game with people who are incapable of thinking.

 

Grow a spine.

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Originally posted by Ascension08

(1)You really need to learn to respect the company for what it does, not what you think it should've done. Yes, the content was supposed to be in at launch, but it wasn't for various reasons. Now focus on how they're putting it back in - mainly how quickly and how they're not charging seperately for it.

(2)The way they're going about this "expansion" is different as well. Instead of trying to cram all the content into an expansion pack and charge you $30-50 for it in June, they're adding bits of it in over the next 6 months and it's all free. Why can't other games do that?
Now, this isn't as big as other "expansion packs", that's true, and maybe when Mythic adds a whole 'nother area, they'll sell it seperately.

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(1) Someone buys the game and expects the endgame to be complete and not crashing, gear to have some type of logical system of dropping after 100+ runs, and crowd control to be somewhat manageable. By your thinking here, they should just "respect Mythic for what its done". I respect them for making the first 20 levels fun and respect their awesome dye crafting system, but what about all this other stuff? I guess someone is just supposed to be happy they at least have that going for them.

(2) Probably because most other companies can afford to charge for the expansion since they can live with their current subscription numbers at the current rate, and the rest of their game is pretty much completed. Warhammer in no way, with a straight face and without the whole industry laughing at them, release a small "expansion" as you call it, and then attempt to charge people who don't like how the game was presently going now another $30 on top of that. That would be the funniest joke in MMO history. People in beta said there is stuff coming out in this "expansion" that was already done in beta, but Mythic was holding it to use in a trump card later for a paid expansion, but now they have to release it to keep the mobs happy because of the sub droppage.

"I cannot play the endgame now reliably, it's boring, there are major balance issues and other problems, but yet now you are going to charge me for a small amount of content in an "expansion" that I didn't ask for in the first place?" This is no "bonus" to Mythic customers. It's just making amends for messing up in the first place that they have to do for self-preservation. Mark Jacobs fed this line of hooey before.

This is pretty much like those commercials where they sell you some type of product then say "And to our "special" customers if you act now, as an ADDED bonus, we'll send you the matching cover FREE!"

Originally posted by Preta

Originally posted by snowchrome2

http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=599


i wonder how do the doomsayers and haters will reply to this news.

 

its just more of the same.  for people that are loving the game, yay, great, but for those who are hoping for real changes or revamping?  meh...

5 months he says?  ok, maybe i'll check back in 6 ..but probably not.

         It seems that alot of people that bought the game didnt subscribe (supposedly 750k box sales and 300k subs)........WHile its good that they are adding things and trying to improve the game they had better figure out a way to keep the players they have and try to gain more........It just seems like the game is on a slippery downward slope.....It also sounds like most of the complaints have little or nothing to do with classes or citites but with the actual gameplay itself........When you hear alot of players say that the game is boring then Mythic needs to find ways to make the gameplay more enjoyable or it wont matter what classes or citites they add........ You only get one chance to make a first impression and it sounds like alot of their customers arent too happy with what they saw.