Originally posted by spankybus

It's called crappy animation for starters. It's aweful floaty looking, which makes it feel like they're running in slow motion. Poor timing and no 'chaos'. It is painful to watch. Before I get mauled by the fanboys, I am a CG artist, and I do animate. THis is not a hater's analasys, its a professional one.

 

I seriously hope the gameplay rocks, cuz that's the only real thing left for me to hope for in this game. I loved UO when it first launched, so I am hopeful. But frankly, I don't know if I can watch this garbage for hours at a time and realize someone got paid to animate my toon.

i totaly agree, sadly.

Also first person view runing, without a weapon on the screen to compare your speed to the environment ..but this is a factor in other games too...

spankybus can u tell me about the animations...its is something that can be easely changed at any given time, like simply replace old animaion with a new one, or they are on very core level ov the game?   in aoc the animations were tied to the damge, not sure if this changed much..

i guess the game sounds are no problem to be changed as long as they have the same lenght, but i am not sure for animations.. thnx

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by egotrip

You'd be running at that speed too if you were on meth

 

This comment makes no sense at all.  The OP complains about slow running and you compare it to running while under the influence of amphetamines?  O.o   You do realize that meth is speed, right?  If those characters were on "meth" they'd move their asses, not drag along at a snail's pace, lumbering across the screen.

I don't know....maybe you were being sarcastic? 

too serious much?

Nope, I'm not too serious at all.  I, like most people that frequent the DF threads, are just sick of idiotic posts that have nothing to do with DF or anything else remotely related to DF.  It's a waste of time to read something that stupid.

But then again....I'm so serious that I don't like LOLcats at all, and I don't even ever quote Robin Williams.   I also HATE all those stupid emoticons everyone uses all the time.  I won't use them...because I R SRS. Gaming is, afterall.....srs biznus. 

Originally posted by ProfRed

If you look when they are in first person and running by an object they aren't really running that slow.  They move at the pace that you would move if you were jogging by a building.  The animations make it look slower, and with how huge the world is, and everything in it you get a feeling of moving slower than other games.  They are already looking at the running/sprint setup though and aren't happy with it either.

Thats great they are "looking at it" but...

...25 days until launch is NOT the time to be "looking" at stuff like this.

What happened to all those "professional testers"? 

What happened to the "select few" Beta testers testing it in September?

What happened to all the years of internal Beta testing?

What happened to all the AI bot Beta testing?

Hmm... you mean all those "testers" above are not a substitute for just dumping in thousands upon thousands of average normal gamers and let them play and see what works and what doesn't?

Huh... who would have guessed that? 

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by egotrip

You'd be running at that speed too if you were on meth

 

This comment makes no sense at all.  The OP complains about slow running and you compare it to running while under the influence of amphetamines?  O.o   You do realize that meth is speed, right?  If those characters were on "meth" they'd move their asses, not drag along at a snail's pace, lumbering across the screen.

I don't know....maybe you were being sarcastic? 

too serious much?

 

Nope, I'm not too serious at all.  I, like most people that frequent the DF threads, are just sick of idiotic posts that have nothing to do with DF or anything else remotely related to DF.  It's a waste of time to read something that stupid.

But then again....I'm so serious that I don't like LOLcats at all, and I don't even ever quote Robin Williams.   I also HATE all those stupid emoticons everyone uses all the time.  I won't use them...because I R SRS. Gaming is, afterall.....srs biznus. 

you have some nerve...
 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2611669/The-Noob-part-8.html#2611669

under post# 132

Originally posted by girlgeek

hehehe....I didn't think it was directed at me or anything. I just wondered if I missed some cool flame post or something! LOL I had to go back to reread to be sure I didn't miss any "gamer drama!" ROFL

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by egotrip

You'd be running at that speed too if you were on meth

 

This comment makes no sense at all.  The OP complains about slow running and you compare it to running while under the influence of amphetamines?  O.o   You do realize that meth is speed, right?  If those characters were on "meth" they'd move their asses, not drag along at a snail's pace, lumbering across the screen.

I don't know....maybe you were being sarcastic? 

too serious much?

 

Nope, I'm not too serious at all.  I, like most people that frequent the DF threads, are just sick of idiotic posts that have nothing to do with DF or anything else remotely related to DF.  It's a waste of time to read something that stupid.

But then again....I'm so serious that I don't like LOLcats at all, and I don't even ever quote Robin Williams.   I also HATE all those stupid emoticons everyone uses all the time.  I won't use them...because I R SRS. Gaming is, afterall.....srs biznus. 

Jeez all this just because i mixed up "meth" with "mesc"........

You can't see me but i'm blushing IRL..........

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by egotrip

You'd be running at that speed too if you were on meth

 

This comment makes no sense at all.  The OP complains about slow running and you compare it to running while under the influence of amphetamines?  O.o   You do realize that meth is speed, right?  If those characters were on "meth" they'd move their asses, not drag along at a snail's pace, lumbering across the screen.

I don't know....maybe you were being sarcastic? 

too serious much?

 

Nope, I'm not too serious at all.  I, like most people that frequent the DF threads, are just sick of idiotic posts that have nothing to do with DF or anything else remotely related to DF.  It's a waste of time to read something that stupid.

But then again....I'm so serious that I don't like LOLcats at all, and I don't even ever quote Robin Williams.   I also HATE all those stupid emoticons everyone uses all the time.  I won't use them...because I R SRS. Gaming is, afterall.....srs biznus. 

Just thought it was obvious the poster was f'ing around. and no...i'm not flshing for flames...what ever that means.

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by egotrip

You'd be running at that speed too if you were on meth

 

This comment makes no sense at all.  The OP complains about slow running and you compare it to running while under the influence of amphetamines?  O.o   You do realize that meth is speed, right?  If those characters were on "meth" they'd move their asses, not drag along at a snail's pace, lumbering across the screen.

I don't know....maybe you were being sarcastic? 

too serious much?

 

Nope, I'm not too serious at all.  I, like most people that frequent the DF threads, are just sick of idiotic posts that have nothing to do with DF or anything else remotely related to DF.  It's a waste of time to read something that stupid.

But then again....I'm so serious that I don't like LOLcats at all, and I don't even ever quote Robin Williams.   I also HATE all those stupid emoticons everyone uses all the time.  I won't use them...because I R SRS. Gaming is, afterall.....srs biznus. 

Jeez all this just because i mixed up "meth" with "mesc"........

You can't see me but i'm blushing IRL..........

Yup...we have to be very very very careful in here not to make ANY mistakes, and never to question or criticize anything too profusely.  This is the walking on eggshells forum...and don't you forget it!!  LOL ;)

@hidden1

I have some nerve?  ROFL....you have NO idea.  No....really you don't. 

My post, the one you quoted, was a response to someone speaking/replying TO me.  It wasn't just a strange "out of the blue" comment about drugs.  But nonetheless.....I found it comical that someone would think meth would make you run slow.  

Besides....I'm here to defend the honor of DF's "slow running."  I'm on YOUR side.  So....lump it, Buddy!  lol

Hey...the guys in the videos are wearing PLATE ARMOR.  YOU  try running in that shit.  I'm just gonna BET you won't be flying at breakneck speed, people.

I'm not totally SOLD on DF, but....I'm not going to be a "naysayer" either.  It seems that people will pick on ANY TEENY TINY little thing to be dissin' on this game.  I don't get it.  I'm not a cheerleader for DF, to be sure.  But I'm not going to join the crusade to dis every single thing about a game we haven't seen firsthand either.  That is JUST as silly as being a blind faith cheerleader.

Server Hampster has not been upgraded yet.

They are addressing run speed, here is an excerpt from Claus on the beta boards:

Run Speed
Agon is such a huge world, that moving around may seem a lot slower than it really is. You only get a feel for the real speed if you are inside buildings or running next to small houses. If the movement speed becomes too fast, it becomes a compounding problem; ping times become increasingly important to the outcome of a fight, aiming spells, bows, cannons becomes harder, prediction becomes less reliable etc. We are considering making run a skill that raises by use, which will increase your overall speed slightly, and we are running some internal tests to calculate the impact of it.

Sprint
There has been a lot of feedback about sprinting. We are not entirely happy with how it works on the live servers, and are considering several options. One of the options we are evaluating was suggested by Osium on these boards, and involves two separate forms of stamina - one for sprinting and one for other tasks. If we do change how sprinting works however, it is likely to be sometime after release

Originally posted by DeadDingo

 

Server Hampster has not been upgraded yet.

Heheh, that's cute.

Originally posted by DeadDingo

 

 

I gotta get me one of those . 

Originally posted by DeadDingo

 

Server Hampster has not been upgraded yet.

Take that shit down a-hole! Have to say still it is funny!
 

Originally posted by Letsinod

They are addressing run speed, here is an excerpt from Claus on the beta boards:

 

Run Speed
Agon is such a huge world, that moving around may seem a lot slower than it really is. You only get a feel for the real speed if you are inside buildings or running next to small houses. If the movement speed becomes too fast, it becomes a compounding problem; ping times become increasingly important to the outcome of a fight, aiming spells, bows, cannons becomes harder, prediction becomes less reliable etc. We are considering making run a skill that raises by use, which will increase your overall speed slightly, and we are running some internal tests to calculate the impact of it.

Sprint
There has been a lot of feedback about sprinting. We are not entirely happy with how it works on the live servers, and are considering several options. One of the options we are evaluating was suggested by Osium on these boards, and involves two separate forms of stamina - one for sprinting and one for other tasks. If we do change how sprinting works however, it is likely to be sometime after release

So he is says that it just feels slow because the world is so big.  HAHA good one.

I thought he was going to say " the speed is slow because we are in debug mode".  hehe I guess both works.

Originally posted by Letsinod

They are addressing run speed, here is an excerpt from Claus on the beta boards:

 

Run Speed
Agon is such a huge world, that moving around may seem a lot slower than it really is. You only get a feel for the real speed if you are inside buildings or running next to small houses. If the movement speed becomes too fast, it becomes a compounding problem; ping times become increasingly important to the outcome of a fight, aiming spells, bows, cannons becomes harder, prediction becomes less reliable etc. We are considering making run a skill that raises by use, which will increase your overall speed slightly, and we are running some internal tests to calculate the impact of it.

Sprint
There has been a lot of feedback about sprinting. We are not entirely happy with how it works on the live servers, and are considering several options. One of the options we are evaluating was suggested by Osium on these boards, and involves two separate forms of stamina - one for sprinting and one for other tasks. If we do change how sprinting works however, it is likely to be sometime after release

Hmm...
 

Thats great they are "looking at it" but...

...25 days until launch is NOT the time to be "looking" at stuff like this.

What happened to all those "professional testers"?

What happened to the "select few" Beta testers testing it in September?

What happened to all the years of internal Beta testing?

What happened to all the AI bot Beta testing?

Hmm... you mean all those "testers" above are not a substitute for just dumping in thousands upon thousands of average normal gamers and let them play and see what works and what doesn't?

Huh... who would have guessed that?  

I don't recall anyone every saying that they needed more "REAL" testers. 

Does anyone else recall seeing anyone asking about that?
 

I know the perfect answer for this question.

Brace yourself!

So you guys have stuff to nag about! =D too bad people haven't tried huge games before. Heck, i felt it moving slowly when i played Eq and Vanguard. But i guess that's just me.

Originally posted by jagorhigh

Originally posted by spankybus

It's called crappy animation for starters. It's aweful floaty looking, which makes it feel like they're running in slow motion. Poor timing and no 'chaos'. It is painful to watch. Before I get mauled by the fanboys, I am a CG artist, and I do animate. THis is not a hater's analasys, its a professional one.

 

I seriously hope the gameplay rocks, cuz that's the only real thing left for me to hope for in this game. I loved UO when it first launched, so I am hopeful. But frankly, I don't know if I can watch this garbage for hours at a time and realize someone got paid to animate my toon.

....spankybus can u tell me about the animations...its is something that can be easely changed at any given time, like simply replace old animaion with a new one, or they are on very core level ov the game?   in aoc the animations were tied to the damge, not sure if this changed much..

i guess the game sounds are no problem to be changed as long as they have the same lenght, but i am not sure for animations.. thnx

 

I'm not sure if that is possible here.In this case the animation's timing is quite wrong. Think about how many steps you take while you are trotting along (not walking or sprinting). Watch the Darkfall animation and count out each step, then try to run at teh same rate. You'll feel like you are pracing about. like some ballet instructor.

The Darkfall jog animation timing is actually more like that of a person walking. the rate of playback would probably be almost twice as fast as you see it.. Instead of '1 and 2' for the count, you'd get '1,2,3,4' during the same amount of time (think of it musically).

That said, your motion also starts to change the faster you run. The faster you run, the less up and down motion you can see, as the head appears to move less...particularly when spinting. your motions are rythmic with you maintain speed, much those motions vary depending on what that speed is.

Right now, the walk animation resembles a horse on a merry-go-round comparwed to a real horsel running. The merrygo-round's motion is smoth and fluid with all of its legs motions at teh same rate forweard and back, same rate up and down. smooth, smooth, mechanical, NOT organic. awatch a youtube vid od a real horse running, its very aggresive with short, aggressive motions mixed with slower, fluid ones. watch its head move forward and back, its not a smooth, sin-wave type of motion. it feels chaotic and alive.

So, the change in the animations of darkfall that I can see would be substantial, at least to make them so they aren't distracting from the gameplay. I have only cause to comment on the walk cycle, as I've not really seem much else. However, i can't really hope the rest is much better. The walk cycle is the most frequently watch animation of th game...you are always walking (when i say walk, i mean the standard job that seems to be used). So, if you make the most commonly view animation kinda crappy, why should we expect anything to me stunning? /shrug

If you are interested in Animation, I highly recommend the following books:

"the Illusion of Life" by Frank and ollie

http://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Life-Disney-Animation/dp/0786860707

"Animators Survival Guild" by Richard Williams

http://www.amazon.com/Animators-Survival-Kit-Richard-Williams/dp/0571202284/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233451524&sr=1-1

Everyone spots poor animation of real-world objects pretty quickly, even if they do not know what looks off about the objects. We all watch people walk everyday, so as far as observations go, we're experts. I think this is one of the reasons WoW is successful. They really put a solid effort into how things move in the world. I remember playing both EQ2 and WoW when ty first came out.

For example, look at the difference between the Gryphon Animations.

EQ2 Animation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-t1xBMlM8g

...Motion is stiff. I don't think its feet ever move. Its like you're flying a stuffed animation and someone put a motor to the wings. This made hte game feel cheap and crappy, dispite all of the effort they put into a more realistic artistic look.

WoW animation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQZQHvU7Bhk

....The gryphon feels a lot more alive. its whole body is in motion and it feels more realistic, even though teh art is more cartoonish.

THanks for reading!

For example, look at the difference between the Gryphon Animations.

 

EQ2 Animation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-t1xBMlM8g

 

...Motion is stiff. I don't think its feet ever move. Its like you're flying a stuffed animation and someone put a motor to the wings. This made hte game feel cheap and crappy, dispite all of the effort they put into a more realistic artistic look.

 

WoW animation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQZQHvU7Bhk

 

....The gryphon feels a lot more alive. its whole body is in motion and it feels more realistic, even though teh art is more cartoonish.

 

THanks for reading!

 

I agree with you, but I hope you have your flame shield on because praising WoW for any reason whatsoever on this board is like dropping soap in prison.

Why do they run slowly? Because the launch is a long way off, and they are taking their time...

When it comes to manual combat system like oblivion for example which is the closest exaple to DF's combat you need to have the combat speed, the animations, the attack moves slower so your opponents might have a chance to perform a manual blocking or parry or dodge. And dont have only the 1v1 fight cause in a mess of 2 v5 if it has fast combat speed it will be almost impossible to manage to do some attacks ,take some good position, and block at same time+ some possible lagg issues there u go u die without even understood how.

. Look what haooened to AOC .Due to fast paced combat all were just spamming attacks instead of making tactcical moves as it is intended in DF. I saw some videos on youtube which yes, was supposely made to make aoc look ridicullus but it was true..Watching those 2 guys running around fast from eachother and fighting was like watching benny hill movies.

At the end Its up to everyone's taste i guess.

The video shows the speed as naturally fast ..its like how people would walk in a world ..

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by egotrip

You'd be running at that speed too if you were on meth

 

This comment makes no sense at all.  The OP complains about slow running and you compare it to running while under the influence of amphetamines?  O.o   You do realize that meth is speed, right?  If those characters were on "meth" they'd move their asses, not drag along at a snail's pace, lumbering across the screen.

I don't know....maybe you were being sarcastic? 

too serious much?

 

Nope, I'm not too serious at all.  I, like most people that frequent the DF threads, are just sick of idiotic posts that have nothing to do with DF or anything else remotely related to DF.  It's a waste of time to read something that stupid.

But then again....I'm so serious that I don't like LOLcats at all, and I don't even ever quote Robin Williams.   I also HATE all those stupid emoticons everyone uses all the time.  I won't use them...because I R SRS. Gaming is, afterall.....srs biznus. 

Jeez all this just because i mixed up "meth" with "mesc"........

You can't see me but i'm blushing IRL..........

 

Yup...we have to be very very very careful in here not to make ANY mistakes, and never to question or criticize anything too profusely.  This is the walking on eggshells forum...and don't you forget it!!  LOL ;)

 

@hidden1

I have some nerve?  ROFL....you have NO idea.  No....really you don't. 

My post, the one you quoted, was a response to someone speaking/replying TO me.  It wasn't just a strange "out of the blue" comment about drugs.  But nonetheless.....I found it comical that someone would think meth would make you run slow.  

Besides....I'm here to defend the honor of DF's "slow running."  I'm on YOUR side.  So....lump it, Buddy!  lol

Hey...the guys in the videos are wearing PLATE ARMOR.  YOU  try running in that shit.  I'm just gonna BET you won't be flying at breakneck speed, people.

I'm not totally SOLD on DF, but....I'm not going to be a "naysayer" either.  It seems that people will pick on ANY TEENY TINY little thing to be dissin' on this game.  I don't get it.  I'm not a cheerleader for DF, to be sure.  But I'm not going to join the crusade to dis every single thing about a game we haven't seen firsthand either.  That is JUST as silly as being a blind faith cheerleader.

@girlgeek:  No you're not on my side, unless you're a fence-sitting skeptic.  I don't defend the slow moving animation.  I might have defended that animation 4 or more years ago, but it is obviously dated by today's standards and to anyone with a discerning eye.  While I'm not a hater, I'm also not a fanboi, I'm a critical fence-sitting skeptic. 

To be honest as to what really got under my skin on your post is that you say, ".... just sick of idiotic post... " while in another post you say, "hehehe....I didn't think it was directed at me or anything. I just wondered if I missed some cool flame post or something! LOL I had to go back to reread to be sure I didn't miss any "gamer drama!" ROFL"
 

Do me a favor, please don't be on my side.