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I see a lot of effort from the developers and the folks close to this game (A LOT) but I don't get the impression the "execs" at SOE give a rats ass about this game.
I just got another one of those SOE emails promoting a bunch of crap and once again no mention of Vanguard. I dont see many adds I dont see much at all in the way of promotion from SOE....not now not ever.
Its hard to get into a game that isn't well supported. SOE is sending out a mixed message when it comes to their own support of this game. i would like this game to succeed but I don't get the impression this game is taken seriously by the people outside Vanguard development team. |
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Its because plenty of players have made it pretty clear that they arent interested in Vanguard. Yeah it had some nice and different ideas but the game was simply never any good. Yeah I know thats just my opinion but its also the opinion of plenty of other people as well. Most people are looking to the future now as there are plenty of rather decent looking games on the way. Why would they bother with Vanguard? Its time to move on and forget about it. From what you say thats what SOE seem to be doing although I'm sure they will put some effort into it just to keep it alive for its fans. |
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Lets Be honest here. Its Better that SOE isent watching us like a hawk. look at the games that they gave a "Loveing gaze to" IE Starwars... No Ill take deddacated Devs over Soe's Retarted Eye any day. And this is still one ove the best MMO's out there whether Neon wants to Troll it or not. If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. |
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Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Quoted for truth. |
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SOE can keep turnin a blind eye to this game...because they ruined everything else they got. VG is a great game without um. |
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Theres still people who try to understand SOE decisions? Playing: Aion, World of Warcraft, Dragon Age Origins |
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They don't understand the market VG is in and therefore leave it to the Devs to make the decisions. The Devs regularly consult the community and thus the game evolves without any need for SOE to get heavy handed. Ideal really. Now playing: Vanguard SOH |
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Sony seems to be placing focus on cross platforming their games now with the PS3. DC Universe Online seems to be getting alot of their attention while just about every other games is free if you pay a monthly fee. That doesn't seem to send a message to players that they are putting much effort into the future of the Station Pass. EQ2 and EQ seem to be the exception.  |
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Originally posted by virox69
i can appreciate this perspective but its almost like the game must succeed against them. |
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Originally posted by Ekibiogami
I was just telling it the way it is so if you see speaking honestly as trolling then thats your problem. If you think Vanguard is the best mmo around then thats fine and I hope you continue to have fun playing it. Afterall no matter how bad a game is there will always be a bunch of people who love it. However the fact remains that most people just dont agree which is why many people just ignore it. The fact that there have been threads like this one continually appearing in the Vanguard forums asking why hardly anyone plays it and why it doesnt get more attention kind of speaks for itself really......and I'm sorry to break this to you but as time moves on and new, better and more advanced games come out then Vanguard certainly isnt going to get any more popular. You had better get used to that fact. Just face it - Vanguard had some great ideas but despite that it was never a very popular game. If telling the truth makes me a troll then I can happily live with that title. |
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I disagree, VG had a disastrous launch and thats why most people won't touch it, either by rep or first hand experience (at launch). VG also is very hardware orientated, if they solve this issue and make the experience better for lower end hardware, then again VG will do better. Also they are not doing any decent advertising so its mostly word of mouth currently attracting new players. Game mechanics wise, its similar to EQ1 meets WoW, which has a huge market. At EQ1 height it attracted over 700k of people and WoW, has masses of people. I have yet to play a new game which matches how good VG is (or even WoW/EQ1), in fact most of the new games have nice graphics but the game play is shocking. Not going to mention names as people take it personally but I have yet to see anything "more advanced" than some of the older games on the market, never mind VG. Now playing: Vanguard SOH |
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Originally posted by metalcore
I wouldnt say its hardware orientated, its just sloppy made. Im playing newer game with few hicks but when I play VG it dosent matter on what settings I do play it at- its sometimes plainful hard to play the game becuse of the hicks (NT or any other larger hub). Explosions in the sky mofo! |
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Originally posted by Rekindle
I've understood SoE keeping the game low profile for awhile, because there was so much to be fixed prior to marketing the game.... especially in the first year. However, once the free trial, Isle of Dawn, was released I was REALLY hoping to see SoE market Vanguard more. They did some, but the level of promotion was lower that I had hoped. All that said, Vanguard has been growing the past couple of months largely due to word of mouth and the free trial. It's very refreshing to see all the new players and guilds popping up all over Telon. SoE has recently made Vanguard available via Steam and has done a little promoting around that... there have also been some good Vanguard reviews and re-reviews recently. But SoE needs to continue to do more, just a single magazine ad in PCgamer or something promoting the Free Trial would do wonders.... this game is the best kept secret for MMOs right now. I suppose they might be waiting for the "Free Expansion" to be releases and they could target both new players and cancelled accounts for subscriptions.... the level cap increase and AA system would certainly be appealing to returning players. In addition, the hardware requirements aren't nearly what they used to be and a very modest computer can run VG very, very well..... as long has it's newer hardware. I rebuilt my 2nd computer for a grand total of $270 worth of ram, CPU and MoBo, then I plugged in a 8800 from the scrap heap... that runs VG like a dream. A friend of mine built a new computer for just under $800 total and he gets incredible performance on highest settings. So hardware is no longer a deterrent for this game... it just can't be run on a 5-6 year old machine with the expectation that you'll get to see Telon in all it's wonder. |
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Originally posted by boojiboy I agree. Anyone who says VAnguard has massive hardware requirements and is still talking about the crappy launch really need to move on. The consumer life cycle of pcs have caught up with this game (in conjunction with the client optimizations). Yes there are still people who have issues but many times the problems can be attributed to something outside the norm. |
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Well I will say that the game was crap at start, but it is very good now. And there is no MMO that has better landscape graphics. I have a dual core 4.2, 8800 gt, plus 4 gigs of ram, and it plays the game on extreme detail, just awesome. |
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Originally posted by metalcore
Ok yeah Vanguard had a very bad launch so that will always count against it. It also still has technical issues which put a lot of people off playing it too. Obviously if they fix this then the game will do better. That applies to every mmo on the market though......but how many years has Vanguard been out now? 4 years isnt it? Or is it 5? Yet still Vanguard fans blame its technical issues for its lack of success. Like I said the game has some good ideas but it technically just isnt up to scratch......and that means the game itself isnt up to scratch. People generally dont want to spend their money on a badly made product which is why Vanguard doesnt get much attention. Its certainly better than it was though. However when I last had a go at playing it sometime in the later half of last year I kept encountering an issue where everything would go black except parts of the UI. I eventually found that having two particular effects turned on at the same time made the game do this. Plenty of other people were having the same problem. I really dont expect to encounter glaring issues like this in a game which has been out for so long. The community were not exactly helpful or friendly either although a few of them seemed to be nice enough. Whenever I mentioned this annoying problem I kept getting told to stop complaining and I got the typical "go back to wow" comment multiple times. Also I found that no matter what I did with the graphics settings, the game always seemed to look messed up in some way. Bits of it looked good here and there but overall it came together very badly. One of the good points of Vanguard is its landscapes......well......some of them anyway. Parts of the game look quite nice and other parts look very pixellated and messy. In fact I found it difficult trying to get any impression of depth in a lot of cases, especially in forested areas where the light fell properly on some parts and didnt on others. Another thing which puts a lot of people off playing Vanguard (and this is a MAJOR issue) is that it doesnt actually "feel" nice to play. This is one of the big reasons why WoW is successful. The game itself is incredibly shallow and repetitive and yet it feels pleasant to play to people stick with it. Vanguard unfortunately feels like an old clunky antique. The models look stiff and wooden and dont seem to fit properly with their surroundings and the jerky animations are very off-putting to watch......although they are certainly better than they used to be. Mind you despite all of that all of this waffling has made me consider the possibility of having another look at Vanguard just to refresh my viewpoint on it.......although it would be the 4th time I have come back to the game. Thing is I tried the trial before so I'm not sure if I would be able to log back into it again. |
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The game is nice now. |
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Sadly, that lack of effort is why myself and several people I know cancelled our Vanguard accounts last fall. We played for a little over a year after trying several other MMOs in 2007 that failed to hold our attention, and Vanguard stood out as a pleasant surprise against the rest of this stale, overcrowded genre. We all agreed: Vanguard was (after its launch bugs had been addressed), and still is, an excellent game. But it was obvious by the excrutiatingly slow patching schedule and lack of new content that the game was at the bottom of SOE's list of priorities and simply would never have the resources to evolve over its lifespan. Sure, I don't know what has happened to the game in the last 6 months or so, but at the time that I cancelled it was a sad fact that a new subscriber in late '08 would be playing exactly the same game as I had been in Q3 '07 and there was really nothing to get excited about in the foreseeable future, either. In order to stay viable for several years, MMOs absolutely must have the financial support and available staff to add new stuff to the game and improve the old stuff AT THE SAME TIME...in the wake of Vanguard's atrocious launch, the modest crew supporting the game was forced to spend the better part of 2 full years improving and stabilizing the existing content without being able to add to it, and now the game has missed its window. Of course, every MMO will grow stale to every individual given a long enough period of time...I'll always look back on the game fondly, and I guess that's all you can ask for in a video game. |
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Originally posted by neonwire
Wow...just wow...this clearly shows that you have no clue of what game you're bashing. You're a bad, bad troll. Before you attack a game, please make sure that you've got your facts straight at least, especially something as simple as this. Vanguard becomes 2 years tomorrow, january 30th 2009. You fail. |
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Originally posted by Farandir
Wow...just wow...this clearly shows that you have no clue of what game you're bashing. You're a bad, bad troll. Before you attack a game, please make sure that you've got your facts straight at least, especially something as simple as this. Vanguard becomes 2 years tomorrow, january 30th 2009. You fail. forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m All Neon can do is Troll. He hasent played the game since launch(If then) and is Woefully Incapable of supporting his claims. Is Vanguard Perfect NO. NO MMO IS. Just keep Ignoreing the stupid Ignorant things Trolls like him keep posting. He is Probably some NGE nut job that goes to all the Soe games Bashing them with his Ignorance. Honestly the best way to counter him is to get more people to Sub to the game. If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. |
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Originally posted by Farandir
Wow...just wow...this clearly shows that you have no clue of what game you're bashing. You're a bad, bad troll. Before you attack a game, please make sure that you've got your facts straight at least, especially something as simple as this. Vanguard becomes 2 years tomorrow, january 30th 2009. You fail. forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m
OMG - LOL
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@Neonwire The only mmog which ever recovered from a bad launch is Eve Online. All other games ended as niche games. And VG has one of the worst launches in mmorpg history. I dont expect it ever to have great subscription numbers. Coupled to the unfinished state at launch was, that Sigil didnt had money to advertise their product. So the 130k subscription they reached was mainly about due to a bit advertising in some magazines (I remember seeing one) and word of mouth/boards. And SoE never bothered putting a lot of money into VG adverts. Well at least its now available on steam. You now know that VG is 2 year old and not 5 as you said. You mentioned Darkfall and that everyone knows about it. Well, DF is currently the hype product of the month. Lets see if its just another VG/AoC desaster launch and who will speak about DF in 2 years. Technically VG uses a modified Unreal 2 engine which was a bad decision IMO. At launch there was no system out which could run VG with high settings and no FPS issues, simply because of system requirements coupled with a ton of bugs. AoC ran into the same problems at start btw. Now, 2 years later, its still a hardware hungry program, but a mid sized modern machine can run it on high settings without problems (exception raids). That doesnt mean that a machine which can run wow with 60fps will run VG in a similar way. I dont think that I played at the same time VG as you, but I remember reading about memory leaks which would lead to vanishing UIs and buildings/chars. This sounds like such a leak. AFAIK this one got fixed, but there are still memory leaks around (judging from memory size after 8h of playing). You mentioned the "feel" of VG. Well, this is pretty subjective. I like asia mmorpg char animations which are very different to VG or AoC ones, but I dont think that VGs animation suck. They are simply not flashy and not heroical enough. click
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Great video link. shows some of the nicer combat animations. I love playing my disciple. Very unique class with fun martial arts animations. :P 
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Originally posted by metalcore
Well from my point of view, the best quest/level based game on the market is WoW, which obviously I'm not alone in this way of thinking. I choose WoW, not because Vanguard isn't a good game, but because Vanguard isn't as good as a game as WoW. Why would I play a game that plays the same, but is inferior, not to mention doesn't have much support as this thread indicates? Nah, I'll stick with WoW until ToR comes out or a good sandbox game. MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW Currently Playing: WAR |
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Heres the real scoop on Vanguard. I both love and hate the game and that will show through in my review. Pre 40 the game is dead as there arent many new subs. Only pre 40 areas that have people is hunters leage and Isle of Dawn. Isle of Dawn killed all other starting areas because of the Charm Reward. This charm reward is ungettable anywhere else though there is a "substitute" which requires a full decent group grinding for months in SoD (lvl 50 zone) ---------------------- The combat is fun and the graphics are amazing compared to most other games out (MMOs that is). And the game is HUGELY more stable and works on lessser machines than at launch.
But there are continual bugs especialy with raid mobs wonking out badly and the devs dont listen to the players as much as it has been implied here.
Ikik seems like he may turn things around and has at least made attempts to cooperate with players but the lead dev Silius (who I think has been told to stay away from the boards) has been snarky and inflamitory towards the playerbase (the reason I left, though I may be back for POTA etc)
The game as it is now I wouldnt recomend, end game still needs work and non-end game needs more population before it isnt a ghost town. ---------------------------------------------
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