Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Torgin

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Originally posted by floppyface
But I just can't see how a massive recession would result in a massive boost to WoW.

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I can. MMOs are a huge value. Potentially 100+ hours of entertainment a month for a mere 12-16 bucks. Compare that to the cost of buying a DVD, going to the movie theater, or even getting the medium-tier of cable/satellite - the value is incredible.
Of course, swallowing that $50 initial cost for new MMOs.. well, that might be a problem...

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Exactly. No matter how bad things get, most people will always have enough money for three things:

1. Beer

2. Cigarettes

3. Entertainment.

Food and rent be dammed. :)
 

lol is nt that the attitude that got the world into this mess in the first place . the last time things were this bad people starved and it led us all to a world war . think we ll all be coming down to the real world with a bump soon .
 

Originally posted by el_muerte

Originally posted by SmurfMagic

Its not really WoW thats going down but I read in a  newspaper that the Internet is laying off 50% of its staff and that will effect everyone !

 

 

I read in a newspaper that terrorists were planning to blow up the Internet with a bomb.

I heard that a viscious corporation called Encon is using a program called the MCP (Master Control Program) to control the world via cyberspace. Luckily, a hacker named Flynn has been digitized and along with a rogue security program named Tron, have been orchestrating the MCPs defeat from the inside.

Phew!

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Torgin

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Originally posted by floppyface
But I just can't see how a massive recession would result in a massive boost to WoW.

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I can. MMOs are a huge value. Potentially 100+ hours of entertainment a month for a mere 12-16 bucks. Compare that to the cost of buying a DVD, going to the movie theater, or even getting the medium-tier of cable/satellite - the value is incredible.
Of course, swallowing that $50 initial cost for new MMOs.. well, that might be a problem...

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Exactly. No matter how bad things get, most people will always have enough money for three things:

1. Beer

2. Cigarettes

3. Entertainment.

Food and rent be dammed. :)
 

lol is nt that the attitude that got the world into this mess in the first place . the last time things were this bad people starved and it led us all to a world war . think we ll all be coming down to the real world with a bump soon .
 

things were never this bad. And that is the scary part. the 1929 crisis was, in many aspects, a production originated crisis that afflicted the financial area. In a way the 1929 crisis only  reached the masses with the crash.

The current one has nothing to do with production, it started on the financial,  what makes it really hard to solve since none of the economical  orthodoxy gives a real clue on how to deal with all this mess. Unlike the 1929 situation, that burst to the public, the current one has been building up momentum for considerable time. And the financial bubble was not yet really blow, what, personally, scares the living shxt out of me.
Ressurecting and Recycling keynes ideas in a way they fit present situation has more to do with wishful thinking and imediate damage control (what was and is needed ) than with really fixing all this mess. 

Over the next years we all have to rethink our current standards of living, because they are going down the drain fast. I wouldn't be surprised if in 2-3  years, at the current rate things are going, the idea of "No matter how bad things get, most people will always have enough money for three things:1. Beer,2. Cigarettes,3. Entertainment." will have changed. 

There will be a lot of dry troaths, much less lung cancer and the entertainment industry will be struggling. And most of us will be a lot thiner also.

 edited.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

The internet has staff?

Al Gore and George Bush.

Originally posted by Dkevlar

things were never this bad. And that is the scary part. the 1929 crysis was, in many aspects, a production originated crysis that afflicted the financial area. In a way the 1929 crysis only  reached the masses with the crash.

For the record: unless you are writing about the video game, the word you are looking for is spelled C-R-I-S-I-S. Chalk another point up for video games destroying our language...

Originally posted by zymurgeist

The internet has staff?

/LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Torgin

Originally posted by Dkevlar

things were never this bad. And that is the scary part. the 1929 crysis was, in many aspects, a production originated crysis that afflicted the financial area. In a way the 1929 crysis only  reached the masses with the crash.

For the record: unless you are writing about the video game, the word you are looking for is spelled C-R-I-S-I-S. Chalk another point up for video games destroying our language...

english is my like my third language. native is, portuguese, fluent in french.and then it is a matchup between english, german and dutch. Overall , IMO, not that bad for a 3th order language. But you are right and i'll correct it asap.

Originally posted by Torgin

I can speak accurately on this subject because I recently lost my job. $14.99 a month IS cheap. I used to spend roughly ten dollars every day eating out - that had to stop, because it was $280+ a month. I had to drop down to the basic cable tier because $150 a month for TV was too much. I can no longer spend $400+ month on groceries, so I really watch what I buy. I don't go to the movies anymore, and I've had to put off purchasing a season pass to the local amusement park because the $99 it costs will work better elsewhere. And driving.. I was spending $125 a month to drive around - now I've cut that down to about half (good thing I don't have an SUV).

When I look at monthly expenses, $14.95 a month is nothing. MMOs and the public library are my new best friends. :)

Btw, if you don't pay your phone bill for more than two months, they cut it off.

Sorry, I didnt realise you had been appointed the official spokesperson on "People who have been laid off and how they spend their money". I'd rather go see 1 movie with friends a month than spend it on WoW or any mmorpg. Thats just me. And considering WoW is all about the casuals these day, how many of these casuals would be so dedicated to WoW that they will go without other luxuries? I can guarantee you that the casual players will be more likely to give up WoW than the hardcore players. 2 years ago I would make sure regardless of my situation that I would have enough for WoW - even if that meant only being able to afford 2 pairs of underpants for the week.

The other day I was on vent talking to some old guildies. I was talking to a couple I used to raid with awhile back. That means they have 2 accounts. That means $30 a month and when you factor in expansions it averages out to $400 a year. They have a young kid (he was usually in bed when raids started), a mortgage and a car loan. She only works 1-2 days a week. She made the comment to me that there was little chance of her husband losing his job but if he did WoW would be one of the first things to go.

I heard that in the event of a nuclear holocaust, only Cockroaches and WoW would survive.

So I wouldn't worry about a piddly little recession.

How do I get a job with The Internet? Help me save WoW by saving The Internet.

waste your money on more useless crap?

Who doesnt like to waste their money on useless crap? There are entire industries based off this concept. And dont forget the industries that support those industries. Useless crap FTW!!!!

Studies have shown that as the economy gets worse, video games are actually played more. One example used in the article was you don't have money to see a movie so you stay home and play video games more often. People also play video games to take there mind of the real world. So in an unstabble economy people will play more. This economy will not hurt Wow. The only thing that could decimate Wow is a nuclear war in China and Japan. That would decimate 8 million of Wow player base. Other than that Wow numbers should continue to climb.

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Originally posted by warror

Studies have shown that as the economy gets worse, video games are actually played more. One example used in the article was you don't have money to see a movie so you stay home and play video games more often. People also play video games to take there mind of the real world. So in an unstabble economy people will play more. This economy will not hurt Wow. The only thing that could decimate Wow is a nuclear war in China and Japan. That would decimate 8 million of Wow player base. Other than that Wow numbers should continue to climb.

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Originally posted by floppyface

Originally posted by Torgin

I can speak accurately on this subject because I recently lost my job. $14.99 a month IS cheap. I used to spend roughly ten dollars every day eating out - that had to stop, because it was $280+ a month. I had to drop down to the basic cable tier because $150 a month for TV was too much. I can no longer spend $400+ month on groceries, so I really watch what I buy. I don't go to the movies anymore, and I've had to put off purchasing a season pass to the local amusement park because the $99 it costs will work better elsewhere. And driving.. I was spending $125 a month to drive around - now I've cut that down to about half (good thing I don't have an SUV).

When I look at monthly expenses, $14.95 a month is nothing. MMOs and the public library are my new best friends. :)

Btw, if you don't pay your phone bill for more than two months, they cut it off.

Sorry, I didnt realise you had been appointed the official spokesperson on "People who have been laid off and how they spend their money". I'd rather go see 1 movie with friends a month than spend it on WoW or any mmorpg. Thats just me. And considering WoW is all about the casuals these day, how many of these casuals would be so dedicated to WoW that they will go without other luxuries? I can guarantee you that the casual players will be more likely to give up WoW than the hardcore players. 2 years ago I would make sure regardless of my situation that I would have enough for WoW - even if that meant only being able to afford 2 pairs of underpants for the week.

The other day I was on vent talking to some old guildies. I was talking to a couple I used to raid with awhile back. That means they have 2 accounts. That means $30 a month and when you factor in expansions it averages out to $400 a year. They have a young kid (he was usually in bed when raids started), a mortgage and a car loan. She only works 1-2 days a week. She made the comment to me that there was little chance of her husband losing his job but if he did WoW would be one of the first things to go.

 

No, you are not thinking like someone who got laid off from work. When you do, you begin to think about ways to maximize your entertainment dollar. For example, a movie entertains you for 2-3 hours, plus gas money as well. So you are talking $20 or so minimum. Tack on gas (depending the length of the drive) and food or whatever else, and you have spent $40-50 easy.

Now think of an MMO. You pay $15 a month and can easily get 60+ hours a month. That is roughly 25 cents an hour - it is by far the cheapest form of entertainment. This is assuming you already have the account setup and don't to purchase the game or upgrade your computer or such.

Now, if you do not like the game or do not like MMO's, the by all means do not subscribe to the game. However, you cannot argue that its a cheap form of entertainment.

Originally posted by SmurfMagic

 the Internet is laying off 50% of its staff

 

huh?

Originally posted by templarga

No, you are not thinking like someone who got laid off from work. When you do, you begin to think about ways to maximize your entertainment dollar. For example, a movie entertains you for 2-3 hours, plus gas money as well. So you are talking $20 or so minimum. Tack on gas (depending the length of the drive) and food or whatever else, and you have spent $40-50 easy.

Now think of an MMO. You pay $15 a month and can easily get 60+ hours a month. That is roughly 25 cents an hour - it is by far the cheapest form of entertainment. This is assuming you already have the account setup and don't to purchase the game or upgrade your computer or such.

Now, if you do not like the game or do not like MMO's, the by all means do not subscribe to the game. However, you cannot argue that its a cheap form of entertainment.

I work in IT. Of course I've been retrenched. A couple of times and that wasn't even in recession times and I can tell you I start to think about costs.

And you're obviously not thinking like someone who has a kid, mortgage/rent, car loan, credit card debt. I'm sure you say you have all of those, hey, its the internet, we can drive Ferrari's or have Ph.D's, be black or what, or be extremely poor when it suits us.

I'm not saying mmorpg's aren't good value. But I know people with secure jobs who don't see the point of paying $15 a month - recession or no recession.

Originally posted by warror

Studies have shown that as the economy gets worse, video games are actually played more. One example used in the article was you don't have money to see a movie so you stay home and play video games more often. People also play video games to take there mind of the real world. So in an unstabble economy people will play more. This economy will not hurt Wow. The only thing that could decimate Wow is a nuclear war in China and Japan. That would decimate 8 million of Wow player base. Other than that Wow numbers should continue to climb.

Playing computer games and buying computer games are two different things. While I dont think a lot of people will cancel WoW because of the recession, obviously some will - especially older players with children, mortages, credit card debt and car loans - a lot of people will not be forking over over the $60-70 buying the game for the first time. Someone with WoW, BC and WotLK already purchased only has to worry the $15 a month.

I know of dozens of players who have quit WoW. There are people quitting WoW all the time. But with WoW so well known and because of advertising Blizzard can always bring in new players. So many of the people I used to play with pre-BC have quit WoW. It is one of the reasons WoW has changed so much in the last 12 months. Experienced mmorpg players are quitting and Blizzard is brining in people who have never played an mmorpg before and therefore Blizzard has changed the game to suit them.

While the amount of people freezing their accounts will only slightly increase, or not at all, the sales of new WoW accounts will decline sharply.

Originally posted by Dkevlar

Originally posted by Torgin

Originally posted by Dkevlar

things were never this bad. And that is the scary part. the 1929 crysis was, in many aspects, a production originated crysis that afflicted the financial area. In a way the 1929 crysis only  reached the masses with the crash.

For the record: unless you are writing about the video game, the word you are looking for is spelled C-R-I-S-I-S. Chalk another point up for video games destroying our language...

 

english is my like my third language. native is, portuguese, fluent in french.and then it is a matchup between english, german and dutch. Overall , IMO, not that bad for a 3th order language. But you are right and i'll correct it asap.

Dont you just love how many of my fellow Americans just assume that English is what everyone uses.

We have one of the worst educations systems, only about 20% of us actually speak another language, many cant even speak or write English, yet we jump on those for bad grammer that speak 3+. Wonder why others think we are obnoxious.

Anyway, the economy will not be the end of WoW or any other MMO. Like others have said, MMOs are a cheap form of entertainment.

The only think that will kill WoW is when everyone finally realises that it really isnt that good of a game.

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Originally posted by safwd
Dont you just love how many of my fellow Americans just assume that English is what everyone uses.

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Well, he is typing IN ENGLISH, so I have to assume he IS USING IT. LOL!

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We have one of the worst educations systems, only about 20% of us actually speak another language, many cant even speak or write English,

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If you're referring to the USA, they actually have one of the best education systems out there. Granted, there are disparities between school districts in different regions, but - unlike many other countries - the USA keeps trying to educate kids until they're 18 (and beyond, if you take GED programs and grants into account). A lot of other countries simply drop the students that don't perform very well, creating the impression that they do much better when tested.

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yet we jump on those for bad grammer that speak 3+. Wonder why others think we are obnoxious.

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Spelling, actually - that's different than grammar. I usually don't jump on such things but.. the crisis thing gets to me. There are a lot of people that will be incorrectly spelling that word because of that mediocre video game. *&^@!

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The only think that will kill WoW is when everyone finally realises that it really isnt that good of a game.

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WoW will be defeated when another game comes out that is more appealing to the majority of MMO players out there. It hasn't happened yet and, looking at the upcoming schedule of games, I don't see it happening anytime soon.