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solid evidense of the game? there are actual people testing the game... leaked beta screen shots.... leaked beta patch notes and leaked info from people who have been varified that are in the beta... the athens video

what is so drastically wrong with the game that cant be finished in a month... explain what is wrong with it?

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by usatool
from beta leaks they have said that the game is pretty much bug free... it is a working game.... and it could be launched from the time he said it... but they had problems with the launch because they didnt have a publisher or any way to sell it to the public they didnt have any billing system set up ect
thats the best answer i can give you... i dont think he was intentionally decieving the public... just your play on words

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WHAT!??!?!?!!!!

..No publisher?? ...Really??!??

Do I have to find links of Mr Tasos telling everyone that they had a publisher MANY MANY MONTHS ago!???

They DO have a publisher. The fans of Darkfall have been hollering about it many many times and acted as if they "won" vs the doubters of the game when the news of the publisher was announced by Mr Tasos.

So now you say that Mr Tasos LIED about the publisher many months ago?? is that REALLY where you want to go? Because, by all means I can certainly obtain links of Tasos announcing the publisher details many months ago and we can take that route. And then, ofcourse... I will ask you again the same question - "How is it that you see no deception ever from Mr Tasos?"

- Zaxx

yes show me where he announced his publisher "many months ago"....

it was only recently that they finished signing the papers making them legally their publisher

OP you obviously don't have the slightest idea about DnL, otherwise you'd stay clear of that comparision by miles.

In the according state of it's beta it was a game that appeared maybe 50% done even to the hardcore fan testers. It was bugridden and non-optiomzed to the point it was performing randomly bad on even the most powerful machines at that time.
When reelase got close, there was an outrage in the tester community with Farlan/np3 stubbornly holding on to their miracle build that the testers never had seen. There was cxlose to zero patching in the end phase of beta.

All this is the exact opposite to what's happening with DF right now. If you look at the patch notes that are freely available and thus no NDA breach, you'll easily find out that they're patching in content and features at an amazing rate, far faster than they could possibly code it, meaning they have most of it on the shelf already, just putting it in step by step. That means they weren't lying when stating they have it done, yet don't have everything activated in the beta earlier on.

DnL in the very same pahse was stagnation all the way. As a tester it felt like they completely ran out of ideas to fix the broken stuff as well as they couldn't come up with anything in addition.
the only real miracle ever happening there was the trasnition from SoG (their pre release) to DnL final, which really changed loads in one step. Yet it was apparent that everything they patched in at that point was NEVER ever tested. The beta stopped with SoG and never had been started again, with the DnL final being rolled out without testing and in the state you'd expect by that.

Bottomline: Your comparison is based on zero knowledge nor common sense and nothing but a big bubble inflated by ignorance. ;)

Originally posted by usatool

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by usatool
i want you to show me some proof of a game that has been in development that has come through with everything they have said... you cant

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And here is the "one-liner" the OP said would happen IF he did spend the time to provide such proof. Proof not even looked at, read, or considered. Just a one liner attacking ALL games in blind defense, as if some how a game like WoW or Warhammer Online that have actually released and are "working" are in the same exact shoes as Darkfall is now.

- Zaxx

 

so your defense for everything we say.... why should i provide proof you wont even look at it?

why should we even defend against your acusasions... you arent even going to back them up...

But...he supplied the proof you were asking for, and you have supplied nothing but blind faith.

You have appropriately named yourself, though I wish you'd take the USA off of it.

Originally posted by usatool

lets get some links of their"lie after lie" and their "excuse after excuse"

and for the delays... they have had 1 delay from their announced set date that they initially planned

And a lie is only a lie if you know for certain something wont happen when you make the statement. So you cant cater for unexpected delays and hence aren't lying.

The game i coming along just fine, just have to love the unmoderated haters here. Shame these forumns are going down hill. Let me sit here laughing knowing that the OP is i'll informed and just plain wrong. And let me laugh a little more and more.

Oh sad as to how these forumns are so i'll informed as well as the OP I wonder why maybe because they are not important... anymore.

People got to start to realize that nomatter what evidence is put up, no matter what good reason we can come up with or aventurine is offering,

the haters will ALWAYS choose the worst reason, and nothing but a gameclient and an account is proof enought that it exists.

Trying to calm there minds with optimism is futile. If you are a hater or just very very sceptic and shouting DOOM on anything aventurine tells us - then i we cant help you. All you can do is wait for the game, keep making DOOM threads and in the end be surprised or confirming you where right. Some DOOMers are already confirming they where right thou..

If you by some chance feel that you are able to see other reasons as the worst, and have a little more trust to believe that it exists without having to play it yourself. I do recommend you search for the leaks. Google.com.

fact:

- only 1/10 leaks so far has been near negativ. And they mostely flame the game for having full loot or not looking like AoC. There was one ive seen so far that actually went into some good negativ parts he had experience.

- out of the PRO-DF leaks (the optimistic ones) only about 1 or even less raises the game to the skies. Most leaks states the game is very good and people who enjoy this type of game will most likely enjoy it.

- the patchnotes show that they are still doing alot of last minute changes (like UI changes i assume most ppl already know of by now from the locked thread we had hear a couple of hours ago).

Why is the NDA up?

DOOMers will say: It sucks so bad, its vapor etc etc. I agree it can be really bad still.

A bit more optimistic: Alot is still not turned on or is still in for last minute changing (like the spawns put on, ui changes, dungeons and its spawns etcetc.) If Aventurine showed the game as it is not to any reviers, the game would be giving alot worse firt impressions. NDA is dropped when they are ready to have some serious reviews and not get there rep down the drain.

If this still hasnt given you any kind of optimistic sight, you still only see vapors and DOOM. Im sorry, i cant help you. You might also be right in many of your accusations, then again so may I and the even the fanbois (althou i seriously do not believe this game will be a WoW killer or anything near that heh, im even doubting the graphs will in the end be good enough for me - world graphs are ok, but im VERY picky with animations).

LMFAO, ummm I call BS on your DnL experience, you obviouslly "read" your way into your experience........

DnL had all the excuses and delays, and what was released......was basically an open beta, oh I am sorry my bad, a gift to the loyal fanbase that "wasn't the game"  Yet, all you did on release was upgrade that existing beta client, and not just here, but it will do...........non stop posts of I can't get in......., or "Compression Error?!?!?"  and there are more.....

Oh my yes, only those that "know the internetz" are aware that DDOS attacks (those numerous news blogs MUST be one of Tasos family members too, are teh LIEZ!!)

I must say it is impressive, your obvious Jedi mind powers that aloud you to put forth such wisdom without expending anything yourself)

Oh yah and no doubt, I have believed in Spider-Man for 10 years now..........Marvel is always bursting my bubble to with their Comic Book Heroes aren't real propaganda

For real though......crack kill, putting the pipe down is teh first step.....help me help you!!

 This place is fun.

It's like the scene at the end of I am Legend when the zombie/vampire/mutant is banging his head on the glass trying to break in and Will Smith is going "I can save you, let me save you!!"

Originally posted by SirLorn

LMFAO, ummm I call BS on your DnL experience, you obviouslly "read" your way into your experience........

 

DnL had all the excuses and delays, and what was released......was basically an open beta, oh I am sorry my bad, a gift to the loyal fanbase that "wasn't the game"  Yet, all you did on release was upgrade that existing beta client, and not just here, but it will do...........non stop posts of I can't get in......., or "Compression Error?!?!?"  and there are more.....

Heh, - one more that actually has been there :D

Originally posted by Thoric485

But i can't understand what you want. Another unifnished game launched prematurely to maximize initial profits and then die after 6 months? So that you don't have to wait to come here and stroke around your e-peen about how you don't like the game and we should give a fuck about your opinion?

Just as a point of order, according to the polls they run on this site, about 60% of the voters want exactly that they'd rather have a game released early and missing content than suffer another delay.

But besides that, I wouldn't compare DF to DnL mostly because DF is under a much heavier veil of secrecy. Fans point to the "beta" leaks, and reports from unverifiable testers etc.

There are religions that ask people to accept far less on faith than Aventurine does for DF. (Most religions have verifable miracles, vs DF where its almost impossible someone who is even testing thanks to the NDA)

But the good news in all this is, Tasos has to put up or shut up sometime soon.  Now that he's taken to given hard dates, he can't keep missing them without suffering extreme losses of prestige each time.

At some point in the very near future he's going to have to drop the NDA and release the game and the mystery will all be resolved.

 

And a lie is only a lie if you know for certain something wont happen when you make the statement. So you cant cater for unexpected delays and hence aren't lying.

The game i coming along just fine, just have to love the unmoderated haters here. Shame these forumns are going down hill. Let me sit here laughing knowing that the OP is i'll informed and just plain wrong. And let me laugh a little more and more.

Oh sad as to how these forumns are so i'll informed as well as the OP I wonder why maybe because they are not important... anymore.

thats what i was trying to say about the lie thing...

here is the deffinition of a lie; a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

i dont think that aventurine ever lied using that definition

@ Fager........bwahaha......man, this all seems pretty real to me, folks just don't get it yet that Darkfall is actually the code name of the social experiment............... /chuckle

Originally posted by ziembee

Dark and Light atleast launched and showed what it had without 40 delays and all this total BS about having their website hacked blah blah blah, when anyone who has any experience with the internet KNOWS FULL WELL that this is a crock of steaming BS excuse

 

So launching an incomplete gameis better than delaying, even with bullshit excuses, and releasing a more complete game.

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Stick a fork in it - Darkfall is done.

Done in by their own producer lies and misleading....

If the game is GOOD - is it not time to present it to the public ? 1 month before release ?

What in earth can be a reason for hiding this game from public eyes ?

Tell me ?

This is what I really REALLY want to know the answer to.

Explanation 1:

It's simple, if they showcased the game with legit reviews and even a real open beta you'd see that it was so good you'd want to buy it. As we all know Aventurine is different, they aren't like "the man", they're not interested in things like profit margins or paying of debts. Aventurine don't want to take away money from your family during an economic crisis, so my theory is they're gonna wait another few years until the economy is back on its feet then take your cash when you can afford it.

Explanation 2:

It's a pile of crap and Aventurine don't want you to find that out before you pre-order.

Explanation 3:

Aventurine are incompetent idiots ... (you may go to explanation 2 now but this is optional).

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

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Originally posted by ziembee

Dark and Light atleast launched and showed what it had without 40 delays and all this total BS about having their website hacked blah blah blah, when anyone who has any experience with the internet KNOWS FULL WELL that this is a crock of steaming BS excuse
 

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So launching an incomplete gameis better than delaying, even with bullshit excuses, and releasing a more complete game.

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Uhh, we don't know what will actually release when Darkfall actually launches now do we?

..It could be in a worse state that DnL was if/when Darkfall actually launches.

- So until Darkfall launches, I'd say trying to compare it to any game that is actually out and running is absurd. Once Darkfall actually launches, then and only then should we compare it to DnL, Warhammer Online, WoW etc.

But hell, what do I know? Go ahead and glorify Darkfall as the "greatest mmo ever" for all I care, heh. Keep trashing games like Warhammer Online and trashing developers like Mythic Entertainment. I'm sure that developers like Blizzard and Turbine are shaking in their boots at the greatness that Aventurine will expose to all the world soon. {laff}

- Zaxx

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by ziembee

Dark and Light atleast launched and showed what it had without 40 delays and all this total BS about having their website hacked blah blah blah, when anyone who has any experience with the internet KNOWS FULL WELL that this is a crock of steaming BS excuse

 

 

So launching an incomplete gameis better than delaying, even with bullshit excuses, and releasing a more complete game.

Yeah, some fellows here are all about logic

Given the reprots coming in now and the progress they're seemingly having, I wouldn't mind another delay at all (and yes, there would be some bullshit excuse once again, like with every company in the referring phase).

An in all honesty, chances are good there will be one. Prepare for more doom even...it's a blessing to have some other stuff to do in life while waiting.

Originally posted by usatool

 

And a lie is only a lie if you know for certain something wont happen when you make the statement. So you cant cater for unexpected delays and hence aren't lying.

The game i coming along just fine, just have to love the unmoderated haters here. Shame these forumns are going down hill. Let me sit here laughing knowing that the OP is i'll informed and just plain wrong. And let me laugh a little more and more.

Oh sad as to how these forumns are so i'll informed as well as the OP I wonder why maybe because they are not important... anymore.

 

thats what i was trying to say about the lie thing...

here is the deffinition of a lie; a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

 

i dont think that aventurine ever lied using that definition

Wha???  Have you been following this game for a week or two?  There's about 10 years of history to go through here.  You should read it sometime....
 

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

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Originally posted by ziembee

 

Dark and Light atleast launched and showed what it had without 40 delays and all this total BS about having their website hacked blah blah blah, when anyone who has any experience with the internet KNOWS FULL WELL that this is a crock of steaming BS excuse
 

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So launching an incomplete gameis better than delaying, even with bullshit excuses, and releasing a more complete game.

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Uhh, we don't know what will actually release when Darkfall actually launches now do we?

..It could be in a worse state that DnL was if/when Darkfall actually launches.

- So until Darkfall launches, I'd say trying to compare it to any game that is actually out and running is absurd. Once Darkfall actually launches, then and only then should we compare it to DnL, Warhammer Online, WoW etc.

But hell, what do I know? Go ahead and glorify Darkfall as the "greatest mmo ever" for all I care, heh. Keep trashing games like Warhammer Online and trashing developers like Mythic Entertainment. I'm sure that developers like Blizzard and Turbine are shaking in their boots at the greatness that Aventurine will expose to all the world soon. {laff}

- Zaxx

It could be or it could be better. The sure thing is if it does what DnL did it won't be any better than it is at this moment. Complaining about delays is useless. Delays indicate a game isn't ready for launch, nothing else.

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

It could be or it could be better.

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HEHE. Gotcha! Now we KNOW you are a fanboy Zym!

There is NO POSSIBLE way for Darkfall to be worse then DnL in your opinion!

..Just teasin' ya man.

I certainly don't consider you as one of the many rabid fanboys of this game. You are usually very logical. But I couldn't resist nailing you on your obvious typo here, hehe.

- Zaxx

Just wait until the pre-orders start! People are going to be flooding the forums with the "this isn't what I payed for!!!!" posts.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Thoric485

According to patch notes they're enabling things in beta one by one and the game is coming along, leakers have confirmed it. I don't know if they'll make the 25 feb date but looking at their history i doubt they'll release the game unfinished for the sake of the date.

But i can't understand what you want. Another unifnished game launched prematurely to maximize initial profits and then die after 6 months? So that you don't have to wait to come here and stroke around your e-peen about how you don't like the game and we should give a fuck about your opinion?

this, what's best for the game is rarely what the fans want short-term. See Vangaurd, one of the public reasons they released too early is b/c they said "the fans have waited long enough" and they felt some kind of responsibility to not delay it any further. I mean they SHOULD feel the responsibility to select realistic dates and do their best to stick to them.... but never rush the game b/c the fanbase is crying for it. (note that was only 1 reason why vangaurd released early, there were many others)

Nearly all beta leaks are positive, save 1, and that one guy seemed like he didn't like the idea of Darkfall in the first place (he was wondering where all the quests were...), confirming that DF invited both fanbois AND trolls (too bad there aren't levelheaded ppl D: ). I would rather the game release on feb 25th so the devs still can hold on to SOME credibility, but if it aint ready, it aint ready (i say that they should fire whoever is making these retarded release dates, and clause, if they miss it AGAIN (DF 03 anyone?))

Wow this thread is both ridiculous, hilarious, and sad at the same time.  Some people need to find other things to do with their time.  This is a forum about a game that has yet to release not your toilet.

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by siftified
I didn't see him "foam" at all. He simply asked you to back up your statements with evidence.
A fair request I think. If you've been 'shocked' enough by Adventurines lies and misleading statements, surely you should lets us see the actual statements?
The defence rests. 
 

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2007 beta

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surly-s-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurin

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2005 Tasos says: Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game. If they aren't looking at Darkfall now, they'll probably wish they had been. :)

http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p3.html

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Darkfall was supposedly entering close beta testing Sept 2003.
Link broken but you can see it post #8 here. Post #8.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/78344

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There's just a few of the LIES (besides the lies last summer of a "definite release by end of 2008" from Mr Tasos, a Jan 22 release date, and Tasos stating himself on 12/5/08 that "Darkfall is ready for release right NOW". It's more then obvious that Darkfall was not totally ready for release on 12/05/08 if it got delayed and couldn't release on 1/22/09.

- Zaxx

ready for release as in feature complete 

Originally posted by ProfRed

Wow this thread is both ridiculous, hilarious, and sad at the same time.  Some people need to find other things to do with their time.  This is a forum about a game that has yet to release not your toilet.

Wow and you still read it AND posted in it.........

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

It could be or it could be better.

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HEHE. Gotcha! Now we KNOW you are a fanboy Zym!

There is NO POSSIBLE way for Darkfall to be worse then DnL in your opinion!

..Just teasin' ya man.

I certainly don't consider you as one of the many rabid fanboys of this game. You are usually very logical. But I couldn't resist nailing you on your obvious typo here, hehe.

- Zaxx

 

from what ive seen its already better than dnl