Originally posted by mrroboto40

Originally posted by mrroboto40

From their website.

 

"Update : DNS queries for web sites should be responding normally. Thank you all for your understanding. As always, we will continue to work to take measures to prevent these and other types of technical issues caused by third parties that may impact our customers."

 

blog.networksolutions.com/2009/potential-latency-on-network-solutions-dns/

 

Sorry, I just really feel the need for people to understand that the problem is FIXED.

Aventurine has shut down their own servers as of right now, else they would be running fine.

Trolls 1, Adventurine(-1) for a grand total of 0.

Three days running and still no Darkfall forums.

Fail.

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by mrroboto40

Originally posted by mrroboto40

From their website.

 

"Update : DNS queries for web sites should be responding normally. Thank you all for your understanding. As always, we will continue to work to take measures to prevent these and other types of technical issues caused by third parties that may impact our customers."

 

blog.networksolutions.com/2009/potential-latency-on-network-solutions-dns/

 

Sorry, I just really feel the need for people to understand that the problem is FIXED.

Aventurine has shut down their own servers as of right now, else they would be running fine.

 

Trolls 1, Adventurine(-1) for a grand total of 0.

Benthon, that possibly one of the most ignorant sigs I've seen for a long time .
 

At least you're not hiding anything.

Originally posted by Trinitarian

Three days running and still no Darkfall forums.

Fail.

Agree its not fun but there is a reason behind it.

Or more correct, it's most likely many reasons behind it.

They have to set there priorities straight.

Having control of beta must be the number one priority at the moment. This company isnt the size of Blizzard. Just give them some slack.

If game delivers this site will be full of happy people.

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by Trinitarian

Three days running and still no Darkfall forums.

Fail.

 

Agree its not fun but there is a reason behind it.

Or more correct, it's most likely many reasons behind it.

They have to set there priorities straight.

Having control of beta must be the number one priority at the moment. This company isnt the size of Blizzard. Just give them some slack.

If game delivers this site will be full of happy people.

 

Must say this is one of the best things i have heard so far.. not sure i like the way  they would control information .. but lets hope when the game is out they don't keep this up .. if the game has bugs i don't want to see closed forums or mods shutting down talks..

This is a game developed by men. they focus on the task at hand and dont give a shit what people think about it.

If this was developed by woman it would have a really nice web site with alot of information ,even how to bake cookies, but there would be no game.

Tasos dont whine about the problems they have because he is Sparta!

Seriously....if an internet based company can't resolve virus/internet issues in 4 days, how do they expect customers to pay them for their service?

This does not bode well for future business, regardless of the circumstances.

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

Wether it's a DDOS attack or not, doesn't Aventurine need to make an official news statement explaining what is going on? I find the lack of communication at this stage of development very disturbing.

 

Im sure they will as soon as theyre online again.

Isnt it reassuring though that the reason they went offline with their forum was the exact reason they informed us with?

For me that is good news.

At least those AI bots are good for something since they can't play the POS game either!!!!

The only impact of these attacks was that certain people would have had trouble (mostly people/sites in the US, for a few hours on Friday) getting to certain websites due to DNS lookup failures.

The easy way to tell whether this was in any way related to the darkfall forums being down would have been:

"ping forums.darkfallonline.com" 

- if it resolved the name to an IP address then reported request timed out, it was completely unrelated.

- if it reported that it could not find the host, it was related.

It was not in any way related.

In any case, as others have mentioned Network Solutions does NOT host the darkfall forums, Leaseweb does. Incidentally they are a huge ISP with no reports of any DoS attacks on their network recently (http://noc.leaseweb.com).

Originally posted by skaggle

The only impact of these attacks was that certain people would have had trouble (mostly people/sites in the US, for a few hours on Friday) getting to certain websites due to DNS lookup failures.

The easy way to tell whether this was in any way related to the darkfall forums being down would have been:

"ping forums.darkfallonline.com" 

- if it resolved the name to an IP address then reported request timed out, it was completely unrelated.

- if it reported that it could not find the host, it was related.

It was not in any way related.

 

In any case, as others have mentioned Network Solutions does NOT host the darkfall forums, Leaseweb does. Incidentally they are a huge ISP with no reports of any DoS attacks on their network recently (http://noc.leaseweb.com).

interesting

Originally posted by skaggle

The only impact of these attacks was that certain people would have had trouble (mostly people/sites in the US, for a few hours on Friday) getting to certain websites due to DNS lookup failures.

The easy way to tell whether this was in any way related to the darkfall forums being down would have been:

"ping forums.darkfallonline.com" 

- if it resolved the name to an IP address then reported request timed out, it was completely unrelated.

- if it reported that it could not find the host, it was related.

It was not in any way related.

 

In any case, as others have mentioned Network Solutions does NOT host the darkfall forums, Leaseweb does. Incidentally they are a huge ISP with no reports of any DoS attacks on their network recently (http://noc.leaseweb.com).

You are 90% correct. Unfortunately, many on here do not understand networking and try to find any information however unrelated to justify Aventurine's actions. darkfallonline.com is registered with Network Solutions. 

Every time I tested the forums during the DDOS attack forward resolution had excellent response times.

Here are the facts.

Darkfallonline.com registrar: Network Solutions

Darkfallonline.com DNS servers
NS1.AVENTURINE.GR (78.129.196.123)

NS-EU1.AVENTURINE.GR (77.95.25.52)

DARKFALLONLINE.COM (78.129.196.125)

FORUMS.DARKFALLONLINE.COM (77.95.25.51)

I tested server response times for all the servers involved several times (10 - 20) a day for the first 2 days of the outage. It is not hard and does not take a long time. I ran pings/traceroutes/foward and reverse DNS requests.

None of my tests came back having issues with forward resolution during that time. Each request had between 80 - 100ms response times. At no time during my testing was there any issues with the root servers when resolving (Network Solutions). Even if there were issues, that would not prevent connections via IP address. During the initial day of issues, there was severe packet loss directly to the servers (both when resolving and directly via IP). This issue was completely unrelated to the attack encountered by Network Solutions.

Furthermore, response from their DNS servers (IPs are on same subnets) never noticiably lagged, which should have happened at least on the initial day. If this was a DDOS attack (chances are it would have only lasted the first day) there should have been noticeably lag for all of these systems and there simply was not. This makes any DDOS attack highly unusual if you understand how they work and affect network infrastructure.

I can't tell you specifically what happened because I cannot check their network infrastructure directly, however I can tell you from what information was availible there were no issues with any forward resolution during the attack.

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by skaggle

The only impact of these attacks was that certain people would have had trouble (mostly people/sites in the US, for a few hours on Friday) getting to certain websites due to DNS lookup failures.

The easy way to tell whether this was in any way related to the darkfall forums being down would have been:

"ping forums.darkfallonline.com" 

- if it resolved the name to an IP address then reported request timed out, it was completely unrelated.

- if it reported that it could not find the host, it was related.

It was not in any way related.

 

In any case, as others have mentioned Network Solutions does NOT host the darkfall forums, Leaseweb does. Incidentally they are a huge ISP with no reports of any DoS attacks on their network recently (http://noc.leaseweb.com).

You are 90% correct. Unfortunately, many on here do not understand networking and try to find any information however unrelated to justify Aventurine's actions. darkfallonline.com is registered with Network Solutions. 

Every time I tested the forums during the DDOS attack forward resolution had excellent response times.

Here are the facts.

Darkfallonline.com registrar: Network Solutions

Darkfallonline.com DNS servers
NS1.AVENTURINE.GR (78.129.196.123)

NS-EU1.AVENTURINE.GR (77.95.25.52)

DARKFALLONLINE.COM (78.129.196.125)

FORUMS.DARKFALLONLINE.COM (77.95.25.51)

I tested server response times for all the servers involved several times (10 - 20) a day for the first 2 days of the outage. It is not hard and does not take a long time. I ran pings/traceroutes/foward and reverse DNS requests.

None of my tests came back having issues with forward resolution during that time. Each request had between 80 - 100ms response times. At no time during my testing was there any issues with the root servers when resolving (Network Solutions). Even if there were issues, that would not prevent connections via IP address. During the initial day of issues, there was severe packet loss directly to the servers (both when resolving and directly via IP). This issue was completely unrelated to the attack encountered by Network Solutions.

Furthermore, response from their DNS servers (IPs are on same subnets) never noticiably lagged, which should have happened at least on the initial day. If this was a DDOS attack (chances are it would have only lasted the first day) there should have been noticeably lag for all of these systems and there simply was not. This makes any DDOS attack highly unusual if you understand how they work and affect network infrastructure.

I can't tell you specifically what happened because I cannot check their network infrastructure directly, however I can tell you from what information was availible there were no issues with any forward resolution during the attack.

So you are saying that Aragon's taking two unrelated issues (DoS attacks and DFO forums being offline) and putting them together to come up with an incorrect conclusion? (that the first caused the 2nd?)

Not sure if it's been posted, but found this on another forum regarding this...

Originally posted by Kyleran

So you are saying that Aragon's taking two unrelated issues (DoS attacks and DFO forums being offline) and putting them together to come up with an incorrect conclusion? (that the first caused the 2nd?) 

The short answer is yes. Specifically that the Network Solutions DDOS attacks are unrelated to any attacks that happened on Aventurines networks.

Originally posted by Paragus1

Not sure if it's been posted, but found this on another forum regarding this...

You guys need to invest in some network knowledge. This attack on Network Solutions did not cause what happened with Aventurine's networks.

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by Paragus1

Not sure if it's been posted, but found this on another forum regarding this...

You guys need to invest in some network knowledge. This attack on Network Solutions did not cause what happened with Aventurine's networks.

but it was already proven that it was . . . in another thread . . .

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by Paragus1

Not sure if it's been posted, but found this on another forum regarding this...

You guys need to invest in some network knowledge. This attack on Network Solutions did not cause what happened with Aventurine's networks.

but it was already proven that it was . . . in another thread . . .

Link the other thread, because I will tear it to shreds. The links provided in this thread directly relate to hosted DNS with network solutions. Aventurine does their own DNS and during my testing there were zero DNS issues while there were direct issues with the servers themselves.

Without some further evidence to the contrary... the Network Solutions incident is not directly relevant to what happened to the DF servers. There are hundreds even thousands of DDOS attack every day completely unrelated to each other.

-edit-

It has also been show that there was no update by either service provider about DDOS attacks. This in conjunction with the fact that Aventurine is relocating to another provider would dispute the OPs original argument. Just more misdirection by fanbois to try an make Aventurine look pure.

Originally posted by xxpigxx

The lack of trolls in this thread is amazing

The disappearance of the fanboy who started this thread after being discredited by someone who apparently knows alot more about networking than your average forum member is amazing.

Very Interesting....

 Atziluth =  

Well done.    It's good to see someone with knowledge and the ability to critically analyze something posting.   That's something that has been in short, short supply with most things related to Darkfall.

Originally posted by jy88902

Originally posted by xxpigxx

The lack of trolls in this thread is amazing

The disappearance of the fanboy who started this thread after being discredited by someone who apparently knows alot more about networking than your average forum member is amazing.

The entertainment value of the DF forums is truly amazing as well.