Originally posted by Sarg01

Originally posted by AveBethos

 

You have to be kidding...

DnL launched in an Alpha stage.  It wasn't even what most developers would consider in beta.  You are the exact reason companies get away with this crap.  You will pay for ANYTHING.  Sad, really sad.

 

That's about 25 cents per hour of entertainment. That's hardly a scam, and is a much better value than I get from say ... 

 

 

riiight.. So, if I cheat 10,000 people into handing over 25c per day, each, then I'm "hardly" scamming them, am I?

Originally posted by ZtyX

Originally posted by Sarg01

Originally posted by AveBethos

 

You have to be kidding...

DnL launched in an Alpha stage.  It wasn't even what most developers would consider in beta.  You are the exact reason companies get away with this crap.  You will pay for ANYTHING.  Sad, really sad.

 

I logged just under 400 hours on Dark and Light over three months, an average of about 4 hours per day. I can assure you that would not have happened if I did not find the game entertaining. That's about 25 cents per hour of entertainment. That's hardly a scam, and is a much better value than I get from say ... a movie or a restaurant (for those that wondered why I brought them up elsewhere).

 

Why am I expending energy on here for Darkfall? I enjoyed Dark and Light and it was destroyed by lack of population. I enjoyed Vanguard and it was destroyed by changes forced on it to counteract negative reviews. I enjoyed Pirates of the Burning Sea and it was destroyed by lack of population. Each game was subject to a steady stream of "haters" from mmorpg.com, even pre-launch. How can you possibly hate a game pre-launch? In what world does that make any sense?

Sarg.

 

You are just one of those people I instantly want to be friends with.

 

All the games you played are good games and had something special about them. They all suffered a grim fate. .. It's such a damn pity.

I just don't want to keep seeing that happen. Now, Darkfall has been under way so long. I just don't want to see this indie effort fall apart. There's no way. .. Im with this game! It will take the dedicated unification of diehard fans to stick to this game if it gets into trouble.

Im not saying it will. .. but, we gotta face it. Those other games were unique like Darkfall. .. And unique games just arent doing well these days. .. There are few, the expectations are gigantic, marketing is small. So only diehard players play.. and when more and more quit a game without inviting new people.. games just slowly die. :(

 

Thats unfair. Cause the concepts are cool and they just need time to polish. Thats all.

1 picture= 1000 words

Soon we will know if they are allowing more people or it is BS. I guess the leakers will undersand this very easy and will let us know. So be patient for about 4 days when the first waves of the testers will start playing.

You can lead all of this crap about game haters onto human nature. Since most of the people visit forums and write pages long reviews only when they have something to bitch about, companyes see only the bad side of their products. Ever noticed on any game forum how low the praises are comapred to the bishin? That bases on but a very simple fact. People keep track only of their problems but take everything good and/or awesome granted and default.

That would bring us to WoW for instance and the newest expansion of "make everything easyer so even a retarded, handless 4 year old kid can get raid equipment and taste the glory". Ever seen wow forums? One fluid and constant bishin of retards. Seriously. People whine about why they dont have one shot kill buttons and how it sucks that they actually have to do something in order to achive something, and even beyond that why cant they get everything just because they say so and beyond that. To a certain point its no wonder that WoW became the sh*t it is today with 9 million of retards out of 11. Its a different question though that a company should draw a border line where the game is still a game and where it becomes a scribble book for idiots who fail so hard that they spend more time on the forums than in game.

@Egotrip

That would be funny, IF, the most common "WAAAAHHHHHHH" atm wasn't  "oh man xyz MMO is just another WoW clone!"  I mean come on.......you want them all to be a clone, or do you want something fresh, unique, original, lmfao.......

  It is unfortunate you can pick em out of teh crowds......but WoW no matter how successful, and has been the king of the hill for so long, is to blame for this.  Most of you kids MMO resumes (I'd say a LARGE friggin majority) have WoW as their first MMO, with 4+ years tenior, and a splattering of other MMOs you "tried" for about 20 mins in comparrison, and your only way to play is to compare to teh only thing you know......take them blinders off, and know what you are getting into.....

  Just because something "works" doesn't mean a new way to do it that works too (or could if understood) is a bad thing......I mean, if you like what "works" as far as you know it, then go do that, rofl......but because of the sheer sub #'s and success, these dev companies are all herded like cattle by the investors to make it more like "what works" , it makes money doesn't it?!  

Originally posted by Yamota

I probably know the answer to that question but just to make sure. There is no free trial running right now, right?

Yes they are. Everyone is in beta now.

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by Yamota

I probably know the answer to that question but just to make sure. There is no free trial running right now, right?

 

Yes they are. Everyone is in beta now.

Espcially Elvis and Bruce Lee they love it so much!

Originally posted by Gus5000

Soon we will know if they are allowing more people or it is BS. I guess the leakers will undersand this very easy and will let us know. So be patient for about 4 days when the first waves of the testers will start playing.

Sure but one thing worries me: They said the "free trial" started now but the NDA is still in effect. That can't be a good sign. When you give away a free trial to stress-test a fininshed product there should not be any need for a NDA.

So is the game still unfinnished or what is Tasos game?

And to me at least it seems like they are inviting people but just a few hundred when they were talking about thousands and hundreds of thousands, and if the game launches in time and they keep getting players in this slow most people will not get the free trial, only a few selected will.

No, this is not looking good at all right now, it is not something final about the game but it seems to me that Tasos either have something to hide, are full of BS or that something is wrong with the game. I hope I am wrong and we get an anouncement today that 10K players or more get's in this weekend.

(A pause in the discussion)

I was reading the thread when I stumbled upon what seens as so much despair that even Pirates of Burning Sea and Dark and Light was being seing a good games at any point of their sad life...

Stop it all!!!!!

I know that there is a massive faith in DFO, but there is a limit to how much you can twist the reality to make bad seens good and good seens bad... Please, soon, to support any lie or failure over DFO, we will have people saying that NGE was the greatest wonder on MMO history exactly because Smedley pulled a Tasos and lied and deceived the players, not showing what he was doing...

I just got my invite to Beta.  Downloading now. 

Originally posted by Lughsan

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by Yamota

I probably know the answer to that question but just to make sure. There is no free trial running right now, right?

 

Yes they are. Everyone is in beta now.

Espcially Elvis and Bruce Lee they love it so much!

John Wayne said he wasn't very impressed. I'll wait for Benny Hill's review.

The following celebrities have given their endorsements of the game as they are in Beta:

Seth Green- " Fun Game, If they would just add more than goblins , it would be a huge hit."

William Shatner- "very well done, I will play this untill STO comes out."

Chuck Norris- "Finaly a breakthrough in the gaming industry! On top of all the great features they have a feature that blocks my name so people don't have to suffer through al those retarded jokes!"

OJ Simpson- " I will Kill you"

Eric Estrada- "Muy Bien!"

Im convinced....the game is a hoax!   

Needs more goblin scouts.  TBH. IMO.

Originally posted by chiege

DF isn't a "scam" as in I'm gonna take your money and split, it's a scam as in, this game is POS crap about 80% complete, we have your pre-order money, cya, maybe we'll update it once or twice in the next year.  To me, that is the premier MMO scam.   And its likely that exactly what DF is, a POS game, overhyped by the devs, who originally had big plans for the game, but like many people who try this stuff, find out how big it really is and over their heads, so they do what they can to release a half-baked POS, take your preorder money, and promise to complete it with "huge" patches, while they slowly fade into oblivion.  Tasos will be cleaning bathrooms before the year is out.

I'm pretty sure they haven't taken any pre orders yet, so they haven't take any  one money.  Most people are making threads about how little advertising they are doing, Yet you say it's overhyped?  Do you per chance work for FOX NEWS? 

Originally posted by Domenicus

(A pause in the discussion)

I was reading the thread when I stumbled upon what seens as so much despair that even Pirates of Burning Sea and Dark and Light was being seing a good games at any point of their sad life...

Stop it all!!!!!

I know that there is a massive faith in DFO, but there is a limit to how much you can twist the reality to make bad seens good and good seens bad... Please, soon, to support any lie or failure over DFO, we will have people saying that NGE was the greatest wonder on MMO history exactly because Smedley pulled a Tasos and lied and deceived the players, not showing what he was doing...

Actually, no, in my opinion, the Galaxies NGE/CU was pretty much the worst thing to happen in the history of MMOs, except maybe for the launch of World of Warcraft.

OK, I'll be clear what I do like in games:

First, the game has to require a brain. It needs to be at least modestly difficult, and it certainly needs to be complex. Things I liked: Galaxies at launch, EQ II Crafting system at launch (the one they scrapped after like 2-3 months because of bitching), Vanguard at launch (before it was nerfed to accelerate levelling speeds by over 4 times!), PotBS, and yes, DnL.

 Second, the game needs to have a high degree of customization. By this I am not referring to graphic customization, though that's nice too, I mean that characters are not all clones of each other in their abilities/gear. WoW and EQ 2 were particularly offenders in this area, and level+gear based games in general lose my interest within the first month.

 Third, the game needs to have engaging non-combat gameplay. This generally takes the form of crafting in MMOs, though it certainly doesn't have to be that.

Now that's not an incredibly terribly long list of things to satisfy, is it? The problem is WoW has convinced practically the entire industry that #1 and #2 are losing propositions and #3 isn't necessary.

Here's what I don't care much about that puts me at odds with the opinions of some gamers:

 Graphics - They're nice to have, but not important to me. I enjoyed text-based online games for 13 years before coming to MMOs.

 Lack of bugs - I'm a fairly tolerant person. I also have some programming background from a while back and I know there's no such thing as bug-free code of more than a few lines. I've also been around enough game launches to know that every game has a buggy launch and by the very nature of MMOs are not "feature complete" - after all, if the game was complete, how would they release any expansions?

So when people start talking about demanding a finished product, or holding game developers to higher standards or such, what I hear is the guy in front of me at Jack in the Box pounding the counter making an ass out of himself because there's onions on his burger and he's going to cause as big a problem for the poor employees as he can. His expectations are unrealistic and his manner is unfair, all because he's making the enormous personal sacrifice of $4.25. If he wants "service" he should go to a sit down restaurant and remember to tip generously. The customer is not always right - in fact, the customer is generally an idiot.

If you don't like Aventurine, don't pre-order Darkfall. I've got no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is you publicly trying to tear them (or any pre-launch game, really) down so that others never give them a chance.

Originally posted by Gus5000

Soon we will know if they are allowing more people or it is BS. I guess the leakers will undersand this very easy and will let us know. So be patient for about 4 days when the first waves of the testers will start playing.

Haha yes, who needs DF forum when all have access to the DF beta updates. To bad the servers are down or we would have loads of info by now.

You understand the level of "haters" when they think AV are in controll of the blogs on the internet, when they have troubble getting a server working.

And no we don`t need more goblins. NPC grinding is for the WOW clones, we are after some decent FFA pvp with full loot.

Originally posted by Domenicus

I know that there is a massive faith in DFO, but there is a limit to how much you can twist the reality to make bad seens good and good seens bad...

Belief in DFO requires accepting more on "faith" than most religions. 

I made 100 alt accounts from random IP's and with random dxdiag's and didn't get in.

nuff said! Vaporware!

Originally posted by eqfanaatikko

I made 100 alt accounts from random IP's and with random dxdiag's and didn't get in.

 

You got cought on trolling Beta registration thats all