I'm all for genocide, just for the entertainment value. Who needs "reasons"?? 

Originally posted by streea

There are always two sides to the "would you kill a smaller group of people or group of evil people for the greater good?"

The first is pretty simple. If fewer numbers can be sacrificed for the good of greater numbers, then it makes sense to make the sacrifice as either a few people die or everyone dies. By this logic, at least some people live.

In the OP's example, it would be killing off an "evil" group so that the rest can live in "peace."

The other side however comes with the moral issues. Going back to my "few for the greater good" example, sure, the majority is alive. However, what is the point of letting a culture live that would murder its brothers and sisters so that it can continue to selfishly live? Is that the type of society that should survive? Or would it be more honorable to retain the morals of the society and die without tainting your beliefs?

Coming back to the OP's example, "evil" or "bad" actions are based on culture and beliefs. Regardless of what religious or moral nonsense you spout off, that group might think that what they're doing is right and good for humanity. So now, by killing them, you've sunk to their own level. And who's to say that more "evil" won't pop up? Because it will.

All in all, it's an issue of "the greater good" vs morals. You could argue both sides, but I personally think that a culture is worthless if they have to resort to murder in order to make themselves happy.

Who said anything about being happy...this has nothing to do with being selfish and happy...I am talking about survival.   I'm talking about the attackers committing genocide on their enemy...and if the defenders have the right to do the same - if it means being able to finally live in peace.

Let me put it this way.  If one group of peoples is dead set on destroying another at any cost....does the group that is targeted for destruction have the right to commit genocide on that group that has vowed to see them destroyed in order that they may live in peace?

Well do they?

Oh and I am sorry some of you are so PC that you are afraid to discuss such a topic - but someday...this question may be needed to be answered.  Believe it or not there really are evil people out there and they are doing there best to kill others and make them go away for ever.

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Originally posted by Teala
Oh and I am sorry some of you are so PC that you are afraid to discuss such a topic - but someday...this question may be needed to be answered.  Believe it or not there really are evil people out there and they are doing there best to kill others and make them go away for ever.

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Call me an optimist but I think if we can control our reproduction with responsibility we don't need to commit genocide.

Originally posted by Teala

Oh and I am sorry some of you are so PC that you are afraid to discuss such a topic - but someday...this question may be needed to be answered.  Believe it or not there really are evil people out there and they are doing there best to kill others and make them go away for ever.

Afraid of being PC? You're afraid of naming the "group" or "race" you have in mind, so why expect a substantive topic when your question alluded more than it attributed? 

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Teala

Oh and I am sorry some of you are so PC that you are afraid to discuss such a topic - but someday...this question may be needed to be answered.  Believe it or not there really are evil people out there and they are doing there best to kill others and make them go away for ever.

 

Afraid of being PC? You're afraid of naming the "group" or "race" you have in mind, so why expect a substantive topic when your question alluded more than it attributed? 

I do not have to name any one group...the question stands as asked...don't like it...don't repsond.

Though I do like this question (expelling the whole "race" thing), why did you decide to ask it? I'm taking a human conscience class (being renamed to "power, prejudice, and Intolerance"... sigh) and I've really wondered if we contradict ourselves because we say "holocaust never again" and it still happens.

no. i can believe everything will be settled to dust. human also has its destin. it they goes too far, they will go to death but i don'y think it's necessary to end it by others.

what race? i also want to know, haha. in the face of god, i don't agree with this extreme way to end killing or evil things.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Teala

Oh and I am sorry some of you are so PC that you are afraid to discuss such a topic - but someday...this question may be needed to be answered.  Believe it or not there really are evil people out there and they are doing there best to kill others and make them go away for ever.

 

Afraid of being PC? You're afraid of naming the "group" or "race" you have in mind, so why expect a substantive topic when your question alluded more than it attributed? 

 

I do not have to name any one group...the question stands as asked...don't like it...don't repsond.

Yeah you do have to be specific about what you're asking if you want a specific answer. Scrutiny is appropriate when something is vague. You were intentionally vague.

Can't stoke a fire from 30 feet away though and then accuse others of being afraid of the heat, a-la your "PC" accusation.

Please do reveal the identity of the race of evil people you mentioned existing out there. Don't be "PC".

Originally posted by Bigdavo
 

We're talking about race not countries or regions, human races are spread out all over the world.

There are some people who do think their nationality is their race.

But very well, should one race become unified and seek the destruction of the rest of the human population, then by logic, that race would be eliminated.

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Originally posted by Teala
So tell me...if we as a species learned that the human race was doomed because one of our races was hell bent on destroying others at any cost - would you condone genocide to save everyone else?
 

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u submit to defraud with your weasel words and deceptively pejorative point of view.

since when were most humans not mortal and not "doomed" after their alloted time on this graveyard we all scratch a living?

Who judges who is destroyed and who is to do the destroying? you, the majority's rule of law, nature's survival of the fittest?

Granted the +6 billion human population exists at the expense of 'lesser' beings (plants and OTHER animals) now consider how this excessive orgy of reproduction has placed the rest of life on earth at risk... would the planet be better off if ALL humans were purged?!

u do fraud in that the rest are not saved, most of them will also die, all you offer is to "kill others" so the rest can do their mischief a bit longer. And these "saved" will they hence only live righteous lives? Or will you move on to the next targeted group like the rcc did with their inquisition?

What you are advocating/asserting is your goal for race war.

Originally posted by sepher

Please do reveal the identity of the race of evil people you mentioned existing out there. Don't be "PC".

The question is a generalized "what if." 

Rather than ask of many questions as answers, take the worst possible situation you can think of and determine your answer from there.

Example:
What if you had to steal from a friend?

Don't reply with, "What is the object my friend has? Who is the friend, my best friend? What if I have no friends?  Am I poor or hungry? Etc"

Rather think of possible situations and would there be of any situation in which you would have to steal from a friend.  If there is no such situation in which you can find you would steal from your friend, then the answer is simple, it is No.  Otherwise it is Yes.

Originally posted by billie

 

 

u submit to defraud with your weasel words and deceptively pejorative point of view.

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You are nuking the question.

IE: Over thinking and going into it too deep.

Take the question as it is and nothing more.

I agree with billie.

It is far more intresting to discuss the reasons behind asking such a question than it is to have it answered.

It's like the old classic ..."Who would you rather eat, your mother or your father?".

It is the type of question best answered with another question. "Why do you ask?".

Originally posted by Teala

So tell me...if we as a species learned that the human race was doomed because one of our races was hell bent on destroying others at any cost - would you condone genocide to save everyone else?

 

so...

the scenario is:   the survival of human race necessitates destruction of human race?

I think not.

Even if you decide some group of people will blow us all up if we don't kill them first how does that make us any better than they are?

As a matter of fact - that would make us the bad guys.

 On the other hand if you're talking about animals VS humans, ya they would probably do better without us...

Besides puppies are cuter than people...

Originally posted by Dracus

Originally posted by billie

 

 

u submit to defraud with your weasel words and deceptively pejorative point of view.

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You are nuking the question.

IE: Over thinking and going into it too deep.

Take the question as it is and nothing more.

Doesn't take overthinkin' to get the allusions drawn. It takes overthinkin' to try and pretend you don't get the allusions and try to see the question as harmless and "general".

No race comes to mind to you that the OP might've been alluding to? If you had to guess, which "race" would it be?

You're a saint if none come to mind given the political climate of our country and our world.

Identify the race and suddenly the question is both insensitive, dumb and downright racist, is it not?

Look it isn't that hard of question to answer...seriously.   I do not have to name any race, country or people by name.  The question stands as is.  If you must...say Romans vs the Greeks or humans vs cylons - take your pick.   It was a hypothetical question.  One country is committed to practicing genocide on another.  Is it fair for the other to use the same to wipe them out so that peace can finally be had?

Is that so hard to answer?

Originally posted by Teala

Look it isn't that hard of question to answer...seriously.   I do not have to name any race, country or people by name.  The question stands as is.  If you must...say Romans vs the Greeks or humans vs cylons - take your pick.   It was a hypothetical question.  One country is committed to practicing genocide on another.  Is it fair for the other to use the same to wipe them out so that peace can finally be had?

Is that so hard to answer?

 Actually, yes it is.

 This isn't a question about challenging the class bully to a fight at 3 o'clock, this is a question about the wholesale slaughter of a group of people..it's a disturbing question and it has an answer:

No, never.

The reason why it has an answer? we've been down that road before, thankfully the actions of a few did not condem an entire culture to death.

Action T4, Nazi eugenics and the Holocaust is more than enough evidence to show that genocide is a horrid, vile and disgusting thing that should be remembered and never repeated, it is humanity at it's worst.

Lebensunwertes Leben(life unworthy of life) is what the Nazi's called people that they considered had no right to live...if i was born in Germany during that time i would have been on that list myself, a disturbing thought.

Make no mistake, these were not swift deaths.

Your answer is out there, it lies with the bodies of the 5.59-6.2 million Jews the 2.1 million Polish and the 2+ million Soviets that died in camps around Germany.

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Dracus

Originally posted by billie

 

 

u submit to defraud with your weasel words and deceptively pejorative point of view.

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You are nuking the question.

IE: Over thinking and going into it too deep.

Take the question as it is and nothing more.

 

Doesn't take overthinkin' to get the allusions drawn. It takes overthinkin' to try and pretend you don't get the allusions and try to see the question as harmless and "general".

No race comes to mind to you that the OP might've been alluding to? If you had to guess, which "race" would it be?

You're a saint if none come to mind given the political climate of our country and our world.

Identify the race and suddenly the question is both insensitive, dumb and downright racist, is it not?

To be completely honest I was thinking the exact same thing as Sepher.

This question is best asked in a thousands years, at the moment it is not humanly possible for a situation like this to occur as humans are individuals and not mindless drones, which is where my line of thinking is then taken to - 'Why ask?'

Originally posted by Teala

So tell me...if we as a species learned that the human race was doomed because one of our races was hell bent on destroying others at any cost - would you condone genocide to save everyone else?

 

Wouldn't it be the race which  is committing genocide the same race which is hell bent destrying others?
Your statement is confusing.........genocide is exactly what you describe
So what you suggest is that it is right to commit genocide to races who commit genocide?
Both will say that they have good reason to commit genocide...........who's right?
That's why genocide is always wrong.

Hitler and his mad followers wanted the extermination of Jewish race, not all the germans were consulted though..
As you might have noticed, after Hitler defeat, no other German persecuted Jewish, you didn't have to kill all the germans to eradicate the hate against Jews................
It is Ideologies, Religion,  and Cultures that create this shit , not races.
All the above can be altered with time, you don't need to exterminate entire races in order to do that.

 

damn, sadly I didn't get involved in this thread days ago.. I just opened it now, read most of the posts and you people make me sick...

Teala, you're question was fine, simple, to the point.. and no, you don't have to have a name of race that needs extinguishing.. 

Honestly people, it was just a simple hypothetical question.  yes, or no...  no need to dig so far into it, I hate it when people do that to jokes.

I say yes, kill them if they're going to kill all of us.

The world is grossly overpopulated. We don't have the resources to support everyone (the essential reason behind poverty and starvation).

This is the reason things like war, natural disasters, and even abortion need to take place. Its a natural balance, regardless of how heartless and anti-humanitarian it sounds.

Originally posted by sepher

Doesn't take overthinkin' to get the allusions drawn. It takes overthinkin' to try and pretend you don't get the allusions and try to see the question as harmless and "general".

No race comes to mind to you that the OP might've been alluding to? If you had to guess, which "race" would it be?

You're a saint if none come to mind given the political climate of our country and our world.

Identify the race and suddenly the question is both insensitive, dumb and downright racist, is it not?

There are only two answers to the question; neither of which is more right than the other.

Either choose to be Logical or choose to be Emotional.

That is basis for this particular topic's question.

By your statement, you choose to use Emotional beliefs.  I chose Logical beliefs.

Again neither of us are right or wrong, it is a matter of how we are wired (Example, I am a INTJ).

Originally posted by Bigdavo

To be completely honest I was thinking the exact same thing as Sepher.

This question is best asked in a thousands years, at the moment it is not humanly possible for a situation like this to occur as humans are individuals and not mindless drones, which is where my line of thinking is then taken to - 'Why ask?'

I don't know about you, but given today's healthcare technology, I doubt our alpha bodies will survive that long.  So I find the present time the best time to question and answer.

Now if you believe in past lives then that would be an interesting new topic.