Originally posted by sundraziw889

 

The Darkfall project DOES have some serious issues, and the team has acknowledged these issues. There's more to an MMORPG than the game itself- account creation, billing, publishing, bandwith, security, etc., are all different aspects to consider.

Although I sincerely wish the best to the Darkfall team and hope the game is successful and playable, it's very likely that the launch will fail/be cancelled. It takes more than just a really good game for the game to be successful. Running MMORPGs is very costly and even if you have an awesome game, if you cannot afford to run it (even if you have 200k fans), then the game will not be a success.

Of course Tasos and adventurine want their game to succeed, of course they want to satisy their customers! Adventurine isn't some evil force out there just to fuck with people's heads for no reason. Plus, we've seen plenty of footage of the game to know that it IS real and playable.

 

The question is: will this  GREAT game have enough funding and support to ever be released, and if so, will it be sustainable?

You point to many  directions of issues could exist and say it DOES have issues without giving further info ..

Do you have a  quote or link on this beside Tasos claiming "things have to come together" and "publisher joined late" etc. ?

I not disagree, in fact i agree with you..just asking if there is some info available on this...  

Originally posted by sundraziw889 

The question is: will this  GREAT game have enough funding and support to ever be released, and if so, will it be sustainable?

We just wont know until it happens, as with EA. . .they had recently laid off a ton of workers from the Mythic WAR dept.  Its because it wasn't as successfully embraced a game as they calculated.

We'll just have to watch and follow DF as we did that overly-hyped game.  I just hope that DF actually delivers more so than those that came before.

Aye, sure. Sorry I forgot the link

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?p=2369617#post2369617

...and for those that don't like to read much:

"The reasons for the new release date follow:

At this stage, everything is connected: Hundreds of elements need to come together. When one thing falls behind, everything else tends to follow.
Demand for Darkfall at launch could be much higher than expected. If this is the case, we need a different process to better handle the demand.
Darkfall’s partners (distribution, billing, account management, support, etc.) entered into the game at a late date and we needed more time than expected to integrate properly.
We fell behind on a couple of weeks of beta testing progress and we need to make this time up. We need more playtesting data on several features we haven’t had much chance to test externally.
We’ll use this extra time to implement updates based on tester feedback and also make some enhancements we were saving for after release.
We want as many players as possible in the game before the launch and we haven’t had the chance to stress test our servers with live players yet.
We underestimated the effect the holidays would have on our preparations. While we worked through them, the world around us seemed to stop.
We don’t want to rush things more than needed. An extra month may not seem like a lot of time, but it’s enough to allow us to take care of any compounded delays."

It doesn't really matter if it lives up to the hype or not. If they can keep a lid on the game as long as possible, hype the crap out of it and get a ton or morons to purchase a game they know nothing about, they'll earn their money back.

That's what its starting to look like, sadly....hype hype and more huype, but keep a lid on the substance. You know damn well if this game kicked ass, you'd be reading post after post of beta testers saying so, with Tasos blessing. but it seems that well haws already run dry...

Originally posted by sundraziw889

Aye, sure. Sorry I forgot the link

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?p=2369617#post2369617

Thats an honest report.  Nothing any different than what we've seen with other past mmorpg developments.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by sundraziw889

 

The Darkfall project DOES have some serious issues, and the team has acknowledged these issues. There's more to an MMORPG than the game itself- account creation, billing, publishing, bandwith, security, etc., are all different aspects to consider.

Although I sincerely wish the best to the Darkfall team and hope the game is successful and playable, it's very likely that the launch will fail/be cancelled. It takes more than just a really good game for the game to be successful. Running MMORPGs is very costly and even if you have an awesome game, if you cannot afford to run it (even if you have 200k fans), then the game will not be a success.

Of course Tasos and adventurine want their game to succeed, of course they want to satisy their customers! Adventurine isn't some evil force out there just to fuck with people's heads for no reason. Plus, we've seen plenty of footage of the game to know that it IS real and playable.

 

The question is: will this  GREAT game have enough funding and support to ever be released, and if so, will it be sustainable?

 

You point to many  directions of issues could exist and say it DOES have issues without giving further info ..

Do you have a  quote or link on this beside Tasos claiming "things have to come together" and "publisher joined late" etc. ?

I not disagree, in fact i agree with you..just asking if there is some info available on this...  

I didnt see that you said besides "the publisher joining late" but the publisher generally controls account creation, bandwith, security, billing, and the other "issues" I mentioned. I haven't given any information that one couldn't discern from that "acknowledgement" link I posted.
 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by ThatCrazy

Mark my words people.

The 22 will come. Tasos will probably make some kind of grandiose announcement saying the Trial has launched and they are letting in people daily.

The NDA will still be up.

And you'll hear nothing from nobody.

Where the hell are the noobcomic peeks? These just somehow stalled out like my grandma. Weren't there supposed to be like 20 parts?

This project is in some serious trouble. It's beyond obvious at this point.

Stick a fork in this one.. it's done

From what I hear the person that was making the noobcomic quit.

The issues I see involve the game itself.  Melee combat is boring, stamina pot spamming, resource grind fest, content removed, Magic attacks are slow and worthless in pvp, Empty world, Raising your skill by spamming magic attacks on tree's, rocks and clouds. Testing the game with content removed. The list builds.....This game seems far from being golden.

So many things left unanswered or cannot be proved one way or another due to there NDA and hiding the game.

" I'll stop now so the fanboi's can post "you can find the answers if you know where to look speach".

 

Well haters had to wait long since finally one (1) unverified source occurred they could finally kneel before and say "yes master you alone has the truth"  because you talk negative things it must be true ..

And about the Noob ...

"15 Jan 09, 14:13
Gianna: It hasn't bored me!"

"15 Jan 09, 20:11
Gianna: Now that i can finally answer, I plan to write update #8 in the near future!"

"20 Jan 09, 12:00
Gianna: When I write another update I'll ask Brannoc if he could please post a notification about it on the DF forums, so you can stop checking this page and feeling disappointed."

and

"20 Jan 09, 18:17
Gianna: sometime next week xxxxxxx."

 

Actually it sounds like he has been confirmed he is a Beta Tester now.

 

Edit: Thought this quote was fitting here...

"You guys saying the screenshots are fake really need to take a step back. The screenshots have been confirmed by multiple people, and still not believing it just makes you look like a rabid fanboi."

 

It also seems like he was pretty close on everything he was saying... not 100%... but a lot closer to the truth than certain Devs we have heard commenting on the game. 

 

I am looking forward to the Noob's preview on city-building.  It will be interesting to see if it matches what that previous Beta Tester told us. 

 

 

 

But you all quote the first  post...and then the most angry parts ..

But even lets take his comments on  city building..what was bad on it ? 

Requiring resources ..nice ..shouldn't the process be challenging ? That part was not too bad or ?

Somehow there is talk about 3 swings .isn't that nice after we knowed only of one ..second to come ?

As i already have said..testers have to do dump things during beta test ..like not enjoy spamming his 50 level fireball ..maybe the test plan of the devs wanting to see if player have problems get there economical wise ?

Its not the players needs priority during beta test , its about game development needs..and its unfair to release gameplay opinion comments..

Sure if you macro spamming spell x for 1 week ..you will lack the goodies that come with the loot of killed mobs / players..you ll probably find it boring ...

IMO its a good balance for powergrinding if you lack gold after you get yourself the lazy way to that level...

I am also looking forward to noobs preview..

these whole thing show that you better should test with professional testers ..cause player mistake test for gameplay sessions..

Have I made a judgement one way or the other with that tester's comments?
 

I was more concerned with finding out how accurate the statements were.  Once that is known... then a person can decipher wether the content is good or bad.

I was saying using that list I had used in that other thread that is gone now... the other tester's should be able to verify if it is accurate or not.

There were quite a few that were pretty quick to discount him being legitimate... because it was NOT as positive as some of the others we've seen.

And yes, there were some that were gloating over it being true right off the bat for the same reason.

But step back and look at the responses from posters like yourself Darth, or downtoearth... why was your reaction that it had to be false immediately?

As more and more testers get into Beta there will probably be even more varied reviews.  That is the GOOD thing about have thousands of testers in Beta... something that should have happened back in November when they said it would. 

Whether we agree with the opinion of the tester isn't what's really important.  It's that we see the same features from multiple points of view.  Only then are we able to get a true picture of what it is really like... until we are able to try it for ourselves.

Originally posted by Polarization

I disagree that you will hear nothing from nobody.

I'm quite sure some time soon after the 22nd you will hear you can now preorder for a chance to get access to limited open beta and a head start for the 25th release and an exclusive dragon mount.

Oh and no, its you who have serious issues for questioning this project,you trolly hater you.

LOL

If tasos can't keep a close personal friend that "owes" him happy .. how do you think he'll do in keeping you the fickle gamers happy? 

Ok lets break it down. I know they have an official breakdown on this but I would like to know how it works in-game. Does it work as intended. HOW SAY THE TESTERS.

Stamina: Everything you do in the game drains stamina, swinging your sword, blocking with your shield, packing resources around in your inventory, running, and taking damage.  The problem so far is your stamina pool is too low and it drains too fast. That means you have to spam pots all the time. This should be an easy fix and I would expect this would / should be fixed before trial.

Combat: Face it, this engine will not let you have animations on your melee skill attacks. You should have at least four types of attacks: overhead swing, side to side, thrust and shield block / bash.

Range attacks: (bow and magic) will depend on range, speed to target, reload time, damage output.

1) Range: how do they adjust this with the engine ? how far can you shoot an arrow / magic bolt,  because you can adjust your aim higher for longer range. You could kite someone 60m away if not set right.

2) Speed to target: If its too slow then it will be worthless in any pvp fight. If its to fast then no one will use melee to pvp.

3) Damage output: What is the damage output of ranged weapons. Does skilling up make a big difference. How does the skill lvl up relate to damage output.

4) Reload time: Out of all of these, this one should be the quickest to adjust. Should be a non-issue.

These are just a few common questions I would like to see answered, and should be answered before any type of Trial or OB.

I don't want to hate on poor old Darkfall. I put a few bucks aside for it and was pretty disappointed by the delay. I get the music from that awful promo video stuck in my head. But it just occurred to me that if anyone were really playing this game there would be screenshots all over 4chan.

Originally posted by einexile

I don't want to hate on poor old Darkfall. I put a few bucks aside for it and was pretty disappointed by the delay. I get the music from that awful promo video stuck in my head. But it just occurred to me that if anyone were really playing this game there would be screenshots all over 4chan.

And youtube would be full of beta vids.

Originally posted by daarco

I mean they would skip pre orders and everything. Just do beta, stress test and everything until next launchdate. The trolls dont seems to like the one month "open beta".

 To which one must ask again. What "Open beta"? Surely your not suggesting that adding a few thousand testers that Aventurine picks themselves and still have under NDA = a open beta?  

  Truely I agree Aventurine should just skip it and work on getting the launch done instead, but it still amazes me anyone can resonably say adding more testers to a closed beta = a open beta, and imply that anyone that disagrees the closed beta isn't a open beta is a troll. Fans<Shrug> 

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by zazz

You guys will be largely upset on release i can tell you now or  if your easily please you will be largely upset couple of months down the line instead is all im saying.

Theses indi groups get a nice living off the private funding they get for the duration of the development and thats what there after and in this case goverment funding too which can be writen straight off.

Long term plans? none basicly.

 

Wait for a proper review after release by a legit publication, trust me.

actully there after a game they want to play

 Because so far they haven't been wrong (or you for that matter) right? Just how many times do they have to be wrong out of curiousity before you stop making out every statement they say is 100% fact, true, and gonna happen?

  Pardon me if I assume they have to make a living and pay bills. (please feel free to prove me wrong and show they are actually millionares doing this for fun.)  So I'll stick with they are actually out to make money and as such are willing to bend the truth when it helps them to that end. Maybe I'm wrong maybe Aventurine isn't a business company but a group of templer knights out to bring a the greatest game ever with no thought of money,  pay or such earthly matters.....

Originally posted by einexile

I don't want to hate on poor old Darkfall. I put a few bucks aside for it and was pretty disappointed by the delay. I get the music from that awful promo video stuck in my head. But it just occurred to me that if anyone were really playing this game there would be screenshots all over 4chan.

no thre wouldnt every person that has leaked a ss has gotten caught so i think Ss and vids are out

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by zazz

You guys will be largely upset on release i can tell you now or  if your easily please you will be largely upset couple of months down the line instead is all im saying.

Theses indi groups get a nice living off the private funding they get for the duration of the development and thats what there after and in this case goverment funding too which can be writen straight off.

Long term plans? none basicly.

 

Wait for a proper review after release by a legit publication, trust me.

actully there after a game they want to play

 

 Because so far they haven't been wrong (or you for that matter) right? Just how many times do they have to be wrong out of curiousity before you stop making out every statement they say is 100% fact, true, and gonna happen?

  Pardon me if I assume they have to make a living and pay bills. (please feel free to prove me wrong and show they are actually millionares doing this for fun.)  So I'll stick with they are actually out to make money and as such are willing to bend the truth when it helps them to that end. Maybe I'm wrong maybe Aventurine isn't a business company but a group of templer knights out to bring a the greatest game ever with no thought of money,  pay or such earthly matters.....

i was right about the public beta /trial on the 22nd instead of  release so meh called it a few days before the annuncmeant. of course tasos been wrong on things i dont think tasos controls what the devs do. he merly states there plans and they get changed is that really hard to except or you jsut so blinded with hate. you cant except anything besides your own stupid opinion. that you have no bases for really.

shit even tasos admitted hes been proven wrong on things he said not sure if that was made public info tho all well lmao

Originally posted by downtoearth

i was right about the public beta /trial on the 22nd instead of  release so meh called it a few days before the annuncmeant. of course tasos been wrong on things i dont think tasos controls what the devs do. he merly states there plans and they get changed is that really hard to except or you jsut so blinded with hate. you cant except anything besides your own stupid opinion. that you have no bases for really.

 

shit even tasos admitted hes been proven wrong on things he said not sure if that was made public info tho all well lmao

That remains to be seen tomorrow. No public beta/trial tomorrow and you have not been right at all.

Instead you would be doing the exact same that tasos does.

Anyhow, does it really matter if you are right or wrong, if tasos is right or wrong?

Doesn't change anything about this whole project having serious issues. And it's getting more fishy every day.

Originally posted by TalRasha

Originally posted by downtoearth

i was right about the public beta /trial on the 22nd instead of  release so meh called it a few days before the annuncmeant. of course tasos been wrong on things i dont think tasos controls what the devs do. he merly states there plans and they get changed is that really hard to except or you jsut so blinded with hate. you cant except anything besides your own stupid opinion. that you have no bases for really.

 

shit even tasos admitted hes been proven wrong on things he said not sure if that was made public info tho all well lmao

 

That remains to be seen tomorrow. No public beta/trial tomorrow and you have not been right at all.

Instead you would be doing the exact same that tasos does.

Anyhow, does it really matter if you are right or wrong, if tasos is right or wrong?

Doesn't change anything about this whole project having serious issues. And it's getting more fishy every day.

as of right now it looks like ti could be delayed by a day or 2 servers where supposed to be up monday they havent come up yet probly today tho we will see as long as they start it before feb i dont give a shit. rather them not rush it and fuck up.

and if invites go out they wont be till thursday anyways. and i doubt htere going to invite 20 plus k at the same time probly  a few thousands over the next week or so until the reach there server limit jsut enough to makeit set and its already ben said the dfservers can hold over 10k easyly but 10k is safe cap atm  ( at same time) i jusst guessing how there going to do it) 

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by downtoearth

actully there after a game they want to play

 

 Because so far they haven't been wrong (or you for that matter) right? Just how many times do they have to be wrong out of curiousity before you stop making out every statement they say is 100% fact, true, and gonna happen?

  Pardon me if I assume they have to make a living and pay bills. (please feel free to prove me wrong and show they are actually millionares doing this for fun.)  So I'll stick with they are actually out to make money and as such are willing to bend the truth when it helps them to that end. Maybe I'm wrong maybe Aventurine isn't a business company but a group of templer knights out to bring a the greatest game ever with no thought of money,  pay or such earthly matters.....

i was right about the public beta /trial on the 22nd instead of  release so meh called it a few days before the annuncmeant. of course tasos been wrong on things i dont think tasos controls what the devs do. he merly states there plans and they get changed is that really hard to except or you jsut so blinded with hate. you cant except anything besides your own stupid opinion. that you have no bases for really.

 

shit even tasos admitted hes been proven wrong on things he said not sure if that was made public info tho all well lmao

 No you weren't right. Once again you make statements as fact because the Dev says this or that. (A) the NDA IS still up. (B) you said there would be a "open beta" several weeks long. and I think we can all agree adding a few more beta testers under NDA is not a "open beta" (C) is there any word, or any leaks at all that anyone got accepted into the closed beta/trial today let alone the 10k you predicted? No, So in effect you were wrong once again. So far my opinion has been based on things that have happened. Yours on the other hand is soly based on what the Devs tell you to think and wishfull thinking.

  As for hate i can and have wished DF well on several occasions I'm just not willing to pass on BS as fact like you do, sorry. I find it funny you think my opinion is stupid when i can probably find 20 or more statements of yours in posts over the last 2 months that were BS. In fact lets see for starters on 1/9/09 you post "they're not taking preorders." in the same thread you posted something to the extent ( I say extent because your spelling/typing was in its 6 y/o phase for that post) that the game would "very likely launch on the 22nd"  etc etc. Do you really want me to go back and repost all those quotes of you being right and me being stupidly blinded by hate?

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i was right about the public beta /trial on the 22nd instead of release

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Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by zazz

You guys will be largely upset on release i can tell you now or  if your easily please you will be largely upset couple of months down the line instead is all im saying.

Theses indi groups get a nice living off the private funding they get for the duration of the development and thats what there after and in this case goverment funding too which can be writen straight off.

Long term plans? none basicly.

 

Wait for a proper review after release by a legit publication, trust me.

actully there after a game they want to play

 

 Because so far they haven't been wrong (or you for that matter) right? Just how many times do they have to be wrong out of curiousity before you stop making out every statement they say is 100% fact, true, and gonna happen?

  Pardon me if I assume they have to make a living and pay bills. (please feel free to prove me wrong and show they are actually millionares doing this for fun.)  So I'll stick with they are actually out to make money and as such are willing to bend the truth when it helps them to that end. Maybe I'm wrong maybe Aventurine isn't a business company but a group of templer knights out to bring a the greatest game ever with no thought of money,  pay or such earthly matters.....

i was right about the public beta /trial on the 22nd instead of  release so meh called it a few days before the annuncmeant. of course tasos been wrong on things i dont think tasos controls what the devs do. he merly states there plans and they get changed is that really hard to except or you jsut so blinded with hate. you cant except anything besides your own stupid opinion. that you have no bases for really.

 

shit even tasos admitted hes been proven wrong on things he said not sure if that was made public info tho all well lmao

You are a fanboi to the max. It is impossible to reach a rational discussion with people like you who only see one side. Everyone else take the facts that have been presented to them over the past year and it equals = this game does not meet expectations, the devs do not market the game at all regardless of what they say. There is a reason for it. If they did market it more, people would find out it is unfinished.

This world is based on facts, not fiction.

Downtoearth:

Are you Tasos?

You seem to do just as much fact flinging and back peddaling as he does. You try your damndest to make others believe there really is a game, and as with Tasos, you never have any proof to back it up.

Anyone can do the "I know someone who knows someone who has seen the game" line. If people were actually invited into beta there would be leaked screenshots of these emails (addys, names and keys blocked out of course) but to date not one email has been shown and the only game footage we see is either a highly polished CGI movie or badly done Oblivion mod.

Originally posted by fyerwall

Downtoearth:

Are you Tasos?

You seem to do just as much fact flinging and back peddaling as he does. You try your damndest to make others believe there really is a game, and as with Tasos, you never have any proof to back it up.

Anyone can do the "I know someone who knows someone who has seen the game" line. If people were actually invited into beta there would be leaked screenshots of these emails (addys, names and keys blocked out of course) but to date not one email has been shown and the only game footage we see is either a highly polished CGI movie or badly done Oblivion mod.

I've asked the same thing, and frankly just assume he is now. He has only been a member for a few months, and he has over 2k posts which are all about Darkfall.