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1/20/09 2:03:20 PM#26
Originally posted by downtoearth Yes... we already know that Tasos can do no wrong... we are aware of that.
Just for the sake of argument though... some of us don't take everything he says at face value.
How much of what he said in the Jan. 15th update was also true when:
That is the point. He had plenty of opportunities to come clean BEFORE the 15th. So why wait so long to announce the delay? Even you made a post saying if they were going to delay they would have done it already... hmm... wonder why?
The point with the 200k number is that they already had that number back in early Dec. So, why was the announcement made for Release on Jan. 22nd when they already knew they wouldn't be able to support them?
It all speaks to the character of Tasos. Normally it wouldn't be as big of deal because the PR mouth-piece of the company has nothing to do with actually making the game. That is not the case with DarkFall. Tasos is also a Dev. He is making the game. This is the same person we get to "work" with after the game is finally Released. This is the same person we get to hear that patches to fix content are coming "SOON". That is the problem.
I like the vast majority of the DarkFall Dev. Team... I just can't stand Tasos. If they got rid of him and let Claus run the show... I think they'd be much better for it.
Downtoearth.. I don't understand how you can say why delays were made and stand by them when the game has been ready since 2003. A game is ready when all the testing is complete. When there is a strategy in place for distribution. When contracts are put into action regarding servers ect. They keep throwing out arbitrary release dates they KNOW they can't meet. How can you justify defending them my illiterate little friend? You don't make any sense. You don't have a game ready since 2003, and not have stress tests and beta incomplete in 2009. It's just scary. Right now you people are sitting behind a computer, and you are safe..This is only a game we are talking about. But one day on the street, you are gonna get taken. You are gonna get an email from Nigeria that says you have a $22 Mil check comming to you all you have to do is forward your bank acct information..You are gonna buy a house that aint for sale. Or, you might take a personality test from scilons For your sakes people wake up and make realistic judgements based on the proven facts, and quit going on speculation because it's what you want. The truth is this sounds like a really great game. If this game exists, and releases and is as good as it is on paper, then I will gladly play it and try to get as many of my friends to play as well. However, the facts thus far make that outcome seem very unlikely. game wasnt ready in 2003 completly diffrent game sorry. your dwealling ot much into what tasos says about it could release today bs tech Df could release now and be in better shape than AOc was No its not and I proved it in another thread which you stopped replying to after I posted the comments from the lead DEVS themselves saying not much changed. Try again. it the same game (virtually) since 2001. |
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1/20/09 2:09:27 PM#27
Originally posted by miagisan Yes... we already know that Tasos can do no wrong... we are aware of that.
Just for the sake of argument though... some of us don't take everything he says at face value.
How much of what he said in the Jan. 15th update was also true when:
That is the point. He had plenty of opportunities to come clean BEFORE the 15th. So why wait so long to announce the delay? Even you made a post saying if they were going to delay they would have done it already... hmm... wonder why?
The point with the 200k number is that they already had that number back in early Dec. So, why was the announcement made for Release on Jan. 22nd when they already knew they wouldn't be able to support them?
It all speaks to the character of Tasos. Normally it wouldn't be as big of deal because the PR mouth-piece of the company has nothing to do with actually making the game. That is not the case with DarkFall. Tasos is also a Dev. He is making the game. This is the same person we get to "work" with after the game is finally Released. This is the same person we get to hear that patches to fix content are coming "SOON". That is the problem.
I like the vast majority of the DarkFall Dev. Team... I just can't stand Tasos. If they got rid of him and let Claus run the show... I think they'd be much better for it.
Downtoearth.. I don't understand how you can say why delays were made and stand by them when the game has been ready since 2003. A game is ready when all the testing is complete. When there is a strategy in place for distribution. When contracts are put into action regarding servers ect. They keep throwing out arbitrary release dates they KNOW they can't meet. How can you justify defending them my illiterate little friend? You don't make any sense. You don't have a game ready since 2003, and not have stress tests and beta incomplete in 2009. It's just scary. Right now you people are sitting behind a computer, and you are safe..This is only a game we are talking about. But one day on the street, you are gonna get taken. You are gonna get an email from Nigeria that says you have a $22 Mil check comming to you all you have to do is forward your bank acct information..You are gonna buy a house that aint for sale. Or, you might take a personality test from scilons For your sakes people wake up and make realistic judgements based on the proven facts, and quit going on speculation because it's what you want. The truth is this sounds like a really great game. If this game exists, and releases and is as good as it is on paper, then I will gladly play it and try to get as many of my friends to play as well. However, the facts thus far make that outcome seem very unlikely. game wasnt ready in 2003 completly diffrent game sorry. your dwealling ot much into what tasos says about it could release today bs tech Df could release now and be in better shape than AOc was
really because there are quotes from the devs themselves saying the game, little had changed, from when they took it over from razorwax....would you like me to get the quote for you? yea still they had to redo everything kept some sttuff of course but the 2003 game was dx7 i still only count the current game being in dev for 6 ish years |
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1/20/09 2:11:40 PM#28
Originally posted by downtoearth
Downtoearth.. I don't understand how you can say why delays were made and stand by them when the game has been ready since 2003. A game is ready when all the testing is complete. When there is a strategy in place for distribution. When contracts are put into action regarding servers ect. They keep throwing out arbitrary release dates they KNOW they can't meet. How can you justify defending them my illiterate little friend? You don't make any sense. You don't have a game ready since 2003, and not have stress tests and beta incomplete in 2009. It's just scary. Right now you people are sitting behind a computer, and you are safe..This is only a game we are talking about. But one day on the street, you are gonna get taken. You are gonna get an email from Nigeria that says you have a $22 Mil check comming to you all you have to do is forward your bank acct information..You are gonna buy a house that aint for sale. Or, you might take a personality test from scilons For your sakes people wake up and make realistic judgements based on the proven facts, and quit going on speculation because it's what you want. The truth is this sounds like a really great game. If this game exists, and releases and is as good as it is on paper, then I will gladly play it and try to get as many of my friends to play as well. However, the facts thus far make that outcome seem very unlikely. game wasnt ready in 2003 completly diffrent game sorry. your dwealling ot much into what tasos says about it could release today bs tech Df could release now and be in better shape than AOc was
really because there are quotes from the devs themselves saying the game, little had changed, from when they took it over from razorwax....would you like me to get the quote for you? yea still they had to redo everything kept some sttuff of course but the 2003 game was dx7
/palmface
you really think going from DX7 to 8 or 9 takes 6 years? /wants to jump up and down and throw a tantrum /puts himself in the corner for a timeout /grumbles to self
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1/20/09 2:16:55 PM#29
Originally posted by miagisan
Downtoearth.. I don't understand how you can say why delays were made and stand by them when the game has been ready since 2003. A game is ready when all the testing is complete. When there is a strategy in place for distribution. When contracts are put into action regarding servers ect. They keep throwing out arbitrary release dates they KNOW they can't meet. How can you justify defending them my illiterate little friend? You don't make any sense. You don't have a game ready since 2003, and not have stress tests and beta incomplete in 2009. It's just scary. Right now you people are sitting behind a computer, and you are safe..This is only a game we are talking about. But one day on the street, you are gonna get taken. You are gonna get an email from Nigeria that says you have a $22 Mil check comming to you all you have to do is forward your bank acct information..You are gonna buy a house that aint for sale. Or, you might take a personality test from scilons For your sakes people wake up and make realistic judgements based on the proven facts, and quit going on speculation because it's what you want. The truth is this sounds like a really great game. If this game exists, and releases and is as good as it is on paper, then I will gladly play it and try to get as many of my friends to play as well. However, the facts thus far make that outcome seem very unlikely. game wasnt ready in 2003 completly diffrent game sorry. your dwealling ot much into what tasos says about it could release today bs tech Df could release now and be in better shape than AOc was
really because there are quotes from the devs themselves saying the game, little had changed, from when they took it over from razorwax....would you like me to get the quote for you? yea still they had to redo everything kept some sttuff of course but the 2003 game was dx7
/palmface
you really think going from DX7 to 8 or 9 takes 6 years? /wants to jump up and down and throw a tantrum /puts himself in the corner for a timeout /grumbles to self how long does it take to update gfx 3-4 times |
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1/20/09 2:18:21 PM#30
well considering EVE has done it, and no they didnt upgrade the DX engine 3 or 4 times.....once would be more than sufficient. anything more is just stupid management of the game.
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Varking
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1/20/09 2:19:43 PM#31
It took LOTRO so many years to upgrade to DX10 ... oh wait. |
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1/20/09 2:20:02 PM#32
I really don't understand why people try to have an intelligent conversation with someone who spells like he is 8 years old. I mean, think about real life, would you try and convince an 8year old about your views of a business matter? Would you get upset if they failed to understand your logic? I'm sorry, I don't mean to be insulting about his age or mental capacity.. but at some point you have to understand that someone with such limited communication skills is not going to be able to process a debate. I've stopped trying to use logic with him, lately I've just been reposting his comments and fixing his spelling and grammar in hopes that I help his grades in school. |
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1/20/09 2:38:20 PM#33
Originally posted by Alandora I can actully type fine if I wanted to, but would it make a diffrence with these trolls. No |
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1/20/09 2:42:35 PM#34
I'll just note that it took him 18 minutes to get that post up |
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1/20/09 2:50:07 PM#35
Originally posted by downtoearth I can actully type fine if I wanted to, but would it make a diffrence with these trolls. No
I think what you meant to type was: I can actually type fine if I wanted to, but would it make difference with these trolls? (space) No. lol just havin fun.
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1/20/09 2:57:23 PM#36
Originally posted by oddjobs74
I think what you meant to type was: I can actually type fine if I wanted to, but would it make difference with these trolls? (space) No. lol just havin fun.
But none-the-less, very insightful. :) |
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stayontarget
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1/20/09 4:16:25 PM#37
Originally posted by ThatCrazy From what I hear the person that was making the noobcomic quit. The issues I see involve the game itself. Melee combat is boring, stamina pot spamming, resource grind fest, content removed, Magic attacks are slow and worthless in pvp, Empty world, Raising your skill by spamming magic attacks on tree's, rocks and clouds. Testing the game with content removed. The list builds.....This game seems far from being golden. So many things left unanswered or cannot be proved one way or another due to there NDA and hiding the game. " I'll stop now so the fanboi's can post "you can find the answers if you know where to look speach". Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries... |
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1/20/09 4:20:50 PM#38
Originally posted by oddjobs74
I think what you meant to type was: I can actually type fine if I wanted to, but would it make difference with these trolls? (space) No. lol just havin fun.
Never said I was perfect. |
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1/20/09 4:23:11 PM#39
Originally posted by stayontarget From what I hear the person that was making the noobcomic quit. The issues I see involve the game itself. Melee combat is boring, stamina pot spamming, resource grind fest, content removed, Magic attacks are slow and worthless in pvp, Empty world, Raising your skill by spamming magic attacks on tree's, rocks and clouds. Testing the game with content removed. The list builds.....This game seems far from being golden. So many things left unanswered or cannot be proved one way or another due to there NDA and hiding the game. " I'll stop now so the fanboi's can post "you can find the answers if you know where to look speach". you got that form that person that changed his opinion to more postive after people explained to him whata sandbox was because he didnt know shit about the game noc lue how he even got a beta invite. of course its a resource grind isnt all sandbox game with a crafting system in place.. WTF even EVE is a resource grind they guy doesnt know what a sandbox was. so why dont youw ait and see what player reviews say and of course some people plainly jsut wont like the game which the fans understand this i just got conformation that that SS he gave is a real SS so all well he changed ot mroe apostive view once people started exoplaining to him whats was going on. his view may change by release depending how much gets adjusted.
my friend likes the game because it is what its suppose to be
and no the person that making the noob comic DIDNT QUIT |
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DarthRaiden
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1/20/09 4:29:47 PM#40
Originally posted by stayontarget From what I hear the person that was making the noobcomic quit. The issues I see involve the game itself. Melee combat is boring, stamina pot spamming, resource grind fest, content removed, Magic attacks are slow and worthless in pvp, Empty world, Raising your skill by spamming magic attacks on tree's, rocks and clouds. Testing the game with content removed. The list builds.....This game seems far from being golden. So many things left unanswered or cannot be proved one way or another due to there NDA and hiding the game. " I'll stop now so the fanboi's can post "you can find the answers if you know where to look speach".
Well haters had to wait long since finally one (1) unverified source occurred they could finally kneel before and say "yes master you alone has the truth" because you talk negative things it must be true .. And about the Noob ... "15 Jan 09, 14:13 "15 Jan 09, 20:11 "20 Jan 09, 12:00 and "20 Jan 09, 18:17
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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1/20/09 4:32:06 PM#41
Originally posted by downtoearth you got that form that person that changed his opinion to more postive after people explained to him whata sandbox was because he didnt know shit about the game noc lue how he even got a beta invite. of course its a resource grind isnt all sandbox game with a crafting system in place.. WTF even EVE is a resource grind they guy doesnt know what a sandbox was. so why dont youw ait and see what player reviews say and of course some people plainly jsut wont like the game which the fans understand this i just got conformation that that SS he gave is a real SS so all well he changed ot mroe apostive view once people started exoplaining to him whats was going on. his view may change by release depending how much gets adjusted.
my firend likes the game because it is what its suppose to be
and know the person that making the noob comic DIDNT QUIT rofl downtoearth....gotta give this....you are like a PR goldmine.
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stayontarget
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1/20/09 4:33:06 PM#42
Originally posted by downtoearth you got that form that person that changed his opinion to more postive after people explained to him whata sandbox was because he didnt know shit about the game noc lue how he even got a beta invite. of course its a resource grind isnt all sandbox game with a crafting system in place.. WTF even EVE is a resource grind they guy doesnt know what a sandbox was. so why dont youw ait and see what player reviews say and of course some people plainly jsut wont like the game which the fans understand this i just got conformation that that SS he gave is a real SS so all well he changed ot mroe apostive view once people started exoplaining to him whats was going on. his view may change by release depending how much gets adjusted.
my firend likes the game because it is what its suppose to be
and know the person that making the noob comic DIDNT QUIT And how long must we wait for this ? Time is ticking, Trial and launch is fast approaching, How long must we wait until they fully show off this game to the public. Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries... |
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DarthRaiden
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1/20/09 4:43:56 PM#43
Hear to you god what he had also to say: "This is an opinion question, I don't believe this will turn out to be as bad as the dark and light release" "The client is very stable, DF should be able to run on almost any PC because it doesn't take much resources to use graphically" And don't forgot to send him prayers ..kneel before him -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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1/20/09 4:48:16 PM#44
Originally posted by stayontarget you got that form that person that changed his opinion to more postive after people explained to him whata sandbox was because he didnt know shit about the game noc lue how he even got a beta invite. of course its a resource grind isnt all sandbox game with a crafting system in place.. WTF even EVE is a resource grind they guy doesnt know what a sandbox was. so why dont youw ait and see what player reviews say and of course some people plainly jsut wont like the game which the fans understand this i just got conformation that that SS he gave is a real SS so all well he changed ot mroe apostive view once people started exoplaining to him whats was going on. his view may change by release depending how much gets adjusted.
my firend likes the game because it is what its suppose to be
and know the person that making the noob comic DIDNT QUIT And how long must we wait for this ? Time is ticking, Trial and launch is fast approaching, How long must we wait until they fully show off this game to the public. probly before pre orders unless they are trying to scare some people away you will know by time the release tho XD dont worry im pre ordering. and ill tell you if its good or not ill save you from the big bad tasos |
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stayontarget
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1/20/09 4:53:26 PM#45
I'll take a shot in the dark (like we all are) and say they will show the game after they allow the pre-order peeps in 2 weeks prior to Feb25. Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries... |
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1/20/09 5:28:24 PM#46
Originally posted by miagisan you got that form that person that changed his opinion to more postive after people explained to him whata sandbox was because he didnt know shit about the game noc lue how he even got a beta invite. of course its a resource grind isnt all sandbox game with a crafting system in place.. WTF even EVE is a resource grind they guy doesnt know what a sandbox was. so why dont youw ait and see what player reviews say and of course some people plainly jsut wont like the game which the fans understand this i just got conformation that that SS he gave is a real SS so all well he changed ot mroe apostive view once people started exoplaining to him whats was going on. his view may change by release depending how much gets adjusted.
my firend likes the game because it is what its suppose to be
and know the person that making the noob comic DIDNT QUIT rofl downtoearth....gotta give this....you are like a PR goldmine.
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tombear81
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1/20/09 5:37:34 PM#47
Oh I think the lack of effort with the noob comic is very, very telling. Poor woman being forced to play s£*tty game and all maybe ? Well its stalling sure feels like that.. great PR aventurine... great ! |
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1/20/09 6:27:23 PM#48
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Well haters had to wait long since finally one (1) unverified source occurred they could finally kneel before and say "yes master you alone has the truth" because you talk negative things it must be true .. And about the Noob ... "15 Jan 09, 14:13 "15 Jan 09, 20:11 "20 Jan 09, 12:00 and "20 Jan 09, 18:17
Actually it sounds like he has been confirmed he is a Beta Tester now.
Edit: Thought this quote was fitting here... "You guys saying the screenshots are fake really need to take a step back. The screenshots have been confirmed by multiple people, and still not believing it just makes you look like a rabid fanboi."
It also seems like he was pretty close on everything he was saying... not 100%... but a lot closer to the truth than certain Devs we have heard commenting on the game.
I am looking forward to the Noob's preview on city-building. It will be interesting to see if it matches what that previous Beta Tester told us.
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DarthRaiden
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1/20/09 7:16:44 PM#49
Originally posted by xzyax
Well haters had to wait long since finally one (1) unverified source occurred they could finally kneel before and say "yes master you alone has the truth" because you talk negative things it must be true .. And about the Noob ... "15 Jan 09, 14:13 "15 Jan 09, 20:11 "20 Jan 09, 12:00 and "20 Jan 09, 18:17
Actually it sounds like he has been confirmed he is a Beta Tester now.
Edit: Thought this quote was fitting here... "You guys saying the screenshots are fake really need to take a step back. The screenshots have been confirmed by multiple people, and still not believing it just makes you look like a rabid fanboi."
It also seems like he was pretty close on everything he was saying... not 100%... but a lot closer to the truth than certain Devs we have heard commenting on the game.
I am looking forward to the Noob's preview on city-building. It will be interesting to see if it matches what that previous Beta Tester told us.
But you all quote the first post...and then the most angry parts .. But even lets take his comments on city building..what was bad on it ? Requiring resources ..nice ..shouldn't the process be challenging ? That part was not too bad or ? Somehow there is talk about 3 swings .isn't that nice after we knowed only of one ..second to come ? As i already have said..testers have to do dump things during beta test ..like not enjoy spamming his 50 level fireball ..maybe the test plan of the devs wanting to see if player have problems get there economical wise ? Its not the players needs priority during beta test , its about game development needs..and its unfair to release gameplay opinion comments.. Sure if you macro spamming spell x for 1 week ..you will lack the goodies that come with the loot of killed mobs / players..you ll probably find it boring ... IMO its a good balance for powergrinding if you lack gold after you get yourself the lazy way to that level... I am also looking forward to noobs preview.. these whole thing show that you better should test with professional testers ..cause player mistake test for gameplay sessions.. -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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1/20/09 7:36:34 PM#50
The Darkfall project DOES have some serious issues, and the team has acknowledged these issues. There's more to an MMORPG than the game itself- account creation, billing, publishing, bandwith, security, etc., are all different aspects to consider. Although I sincerely wish the best to the Darkfall team and hope the game is successful and playable, it's very likely that the launch will fail/be cancelled. It takes more than just a really good game for the game to be successful. Running MMORPGs is very costly and even if you have an awesome game, if you cannot afford to run it (even if you have 200k fans), then the game will not be a success. Of course Tasos and adventurine want their game to succeed, of course they want to satisy their customers! Adventurine isn't some evil force out there just to fuck with people's heads for no reason. Plus, we've seen plenty of footage of the game to know that it IS real and playable.
The question is: will this GREAT game have enough funding and support to ever be released, and if so, will it be sustainable? |
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, and thenyou are really screwed.
I think he will grow up to eaither take over for Tommy Davis
