He is President.   He can't do any worse than the guy that just left.  Our economy is shot to hell, our foreign relationships are worse than ever before....Bush and Congress left this country a mess.   I kinda feel sorry for Obama because he has a seriously tough job ahead of him.

Originally posted by nickelpat

I know that racism doesn't just encompass the black community, but I just didn't want to say:

"Not let's handle American's prejudice against Hispanics, those with disabilities, homosexuals, bi-sexual, and those that choose to live life differently."

Just didn't fit.

And yes, it IS a pretty big leap forward for Civil Rights. It's undeniable really. Yes, it does speak more of those who voted. They're not racist ;)

Is it gone? Hell no.

Is anything I say on these forums going to be overanaylzed and ridiculed because I don't explain everything to great depth and people read much too far into things? Hell yes.

Please get off your cross, when you speak in finalities expect people to jump on it....you said that:

"Racism was out of the way"-Incorrect

"A GIANT leap forward for American Civil Rights" is totally different than "pretty big" and nobody denied it...all i said was that it speaks more of the voting community than of Obama, and it does...take Obama with the same education and political stance and see how he fares in 1960's America...he wouldn't have a chance in hell.

Good luck with him - lets hope he does a great job in office and turns your nation around.  Let's hope for an American renaissance so you Americans can stop reminding the rest of us of your past glories...

Barack Obama is now president

May you live in interesting times.

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by blackf00t

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Briansho

For the 1 or 2 people that still watch Fox News, they should be dissecting his oath and whining about it for the next 4 years.

Interesting. I believe it was 52 million who voted against him. How did that suddenly come down to 1 or 2?

And this just amazes me that there are people like yourself who will not dissect his speech and discover agendas within his words.

"To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders"

"The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good."

"Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint."

Paragraph 1 - Expansion of foreign aid.

Paragraph 2 - Expansion of social programs and welfare.

Paragraph 3 - Pacification. Disarmament. Retreat. Surrender.

They are quite obvious. If you cannot see the messages in his speech, you are either completely oblivious or simply ignoring it for whatever reason.

 

interesting, i belive briansho was refering to FOX NEWS and not the people that voted against barrack.

ass.

 

1 whats wrong with foreign aid if it is something that is feesible?

2 still sounds good to me

3 are you a veteran? you cant be. being passive is not a weakness but a strength. who are we retreating from? who are we surrendering to? war should be a last resort not a reflex. i dont want to see any more of MY friends or family dying when there was a better solution (diplomacy, which you apparently do not belive in.)

 

also with the economy the way it is now do you think that we can really afford to continue with these two wars? i would think the we should reprioritize where our millitary resources. that is what i could get closest to with barrack.

 

it seems you would destroy this country for a war that we dont need (iraq not afganistan)

 

sorry everyone else for the rant that just bugged the hell out of me.

Foreign aid is not our responsibility. We should not provide funding for any country - Palestine, Isreal, Bosnia - you name it. The only time foreign aid should be implemented is in a time of extreme crisis or natural disaster - not a monthly reocurring aid package. We are delivering foreign aid even now during extreme economic times.

Of course social programs and welfare sound good to you because you are probably a recipient of such programs. These programs need to be restructured so people get off their lazy asses and work, not become dependent upon such programs. Expanding the amount, and the time, people can receive unemployment benefits, TANF, and food stamps, for example, only increases reliance upon these programs and big government. This is the socialists agenda - dependence upon government.

Who said anything of the wars? Not I. But I will address that in a moment. Let me ask this. Do you think Russia is downsizing its military>? How about China? China has had a huge expansion of its military with zero transparency. If you think us reducing our arms and downsizing our military is going to create the same attitude for them then you have living in a fantasy land. A strong military now, and in the past for all nations, has secured its indepence and borders. Provide one example of a strong, pacifist nation.

As for the wars. I agree, we cannot continue with them. However, tucking our tail and running is the wrong thing to do and will simply embolden the enemy. Hopefully, good ol' Barry will have the balls to allow the soldiers to fight without the idiots edition of rules of engagement and end this war. But, you are extremely naive if you beleive Obama is not starting a war of his own. He has already hinted at "redeploying" troops to his motherland.

true but when it is feesible you dont think that we should help those in need?

in the past i have been FORCED to accept govement aid, and  i can attest to the fact that shit happens.

with the unemployment and forclosure rates as high as they are you dont think it is a good idea to look out for the people that need it? (i agree with you about the people that dont.)

i think that it was you that said ". . . Disarmament. Retreat. Surrender." i assumed you were refering to the war, if i was wrong sorry about that.

but since we are here. . . did i say one thing about disarming? no. i said reprioritizing where our millitary is focused. not reducing anything.

and sadly i cannot name one country that is strong and pacifist. . .and that does not give me much hope for us.

and its not like we are just going to up and pull out tomorrow it will take a while. also we have trained people to defend their own country. and i have a question. when would it be a good time for us to leave?

and i didnt know about the redeploying of the troops to africa so i will do some research before i speak on that fully (but with that continent's recent history i would guess that there is a reason for it.)

im a lazy ass and donf feel like re reading this so if there are spelling errors .. . .oh well lol.

www.whitehouse.gov/blog/change_has_come_to_whitehouse-gov/

So all you complainers can feel free to voice your opinion on issues there soon. It's one of the great things about being an American, you are free to whine and complain as much as you want over each presidential administration, and this one is just giving you more tools to do it.

Overall, I'm was impressed with him today. He did rather well for a young guy:

1) He was not wearing baggy shorts low enough to show off his underwear, nor tennis shoes, in Januray.

2) He was not wearing a baseball cap with the brim turned sideways, or backwards.

3) No obvious body piercings.

4) He did not mumble his way through his speech.

5) He did not use the words "noob", "troll", "phat loot", "uber", or ask if he could have Dubya's stuff.

6) He did not stuff his face with cheetos and swill energy drinks during the parade.

Overall, I think there is hope for the country for the next four years.......

He killed it today, happy to see he is in the chair now. He has a hellova lot of work to fix. 8 years of bad dicisions and he gotta do at least  a percentage of that in like a year. I'm ready to see how things turn out.

Best thing that could happen to the US, Barack Obama.

Here is most most objective piece of media regarding Obama I have read to date. Granted, it is not that great, but finally a piece which doesn't kiss his ass, or tear it about without warrant.

news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090121/pl_politico/17714

"Healthy Skepticism", that is a good word for it. It is indeed healthy to be skeptical when the stakes are so high. It is like online games and your expectations for them. It is healthy to be skeptical about their future, because that helps the developer to keep on their toes on what you want to see :).

Hell ....no sign of optimism ...i think thats what we re short of at the moment ...Obama is sure to recreate history and i guess if america can hold back its head high up ...ROTW will....we have none else but him to cling on too at the moment !

This is what Obama has done so far.

Obama Day One

Suspend pending Bush policies. This, of course is understandable.

Set a 16 month timetable for leaving Iraq. This is bad. Not bad in the sense he wants the war over, but bad as in saying "Hey, we are leaving in 16 months." Suddenly, violence seems to stop, but, when the pullout is over, Al Qaeda takes over once again.

Suspend all trials at Gitmo - even for admitted conspirators in 9/11.

Request the push through of the second $350 billion without accountability clauses. So much for this transparent government he has claimed to bring in his "change".

Congratz on Obama guys, I hope he will make America stronger and respected again

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Briansho

For the 1 or 2 people that still watch Fox News, they should be dissecting his oath and whining about it for the next 4 years.

Interesting. I believe it was 52 million who voted against him. How did that suddenly come down to 1 or 2?

And this just amazes me that there are people like yourself who will not dissect his speech and discover agendas within his words.

"To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders"

"The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good."

"Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint."

Paragraph 1 - Expansion of foreign aid.

Paragraph 2 - Expansion of social programs and welfare.

Paragraph 3 - Pacification. Disarmament. Retreat. Surrender.

They are quite obvious. If you cannot see the messages in his speech, you are either completely oblivious or simply ignoring it for whatever reason.

Wow, you spin words almost as well as Faux News. God forbid we switch away from pissing off countries to gaining foriegn allies, helping the struggling at home, and not bombing the fuck out of everything that blinks at us.

How can you honestly not want diplomacy over insurgency? Iraq is a total failure, and you are mad that Obama is going AGAINST that? Holy cow, you right wing nuts should stick to hating gays. Last time we let you have power the entire world started hating us and the economy collapsed.

Our foriegn police -sucks- and needs changing, he promised that.

Originally posted by Netzoko 

How can you honestly not want diplomacy over insurgency? Iraq is a total failure, and you are mad that Obama is going AGAINST that? Holy cow, you right wing nuts should stick to hating gays. Last time we let you have power the entire world started hating us and the economy collapsed.

Maybe you should read a few posts down from that one. And, who said I hate gays? Maybe you should search for for comments regarding such issues. And, the last administration was Republican. The last administration was George Bush. He was far from conservative.

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Originally posted by Dekron

This is what Obama has done so far.

Obama Day One

Suspend pending Bush policies. This, of course is understandable.

Set a 16 month timetable for leaving Iraq. This is bad. Not bad in the sense he wants the war over, but bad as in saying "Hey, we are leaving in 16 months." Suddenly, violence seems to stop, but, when the pullout is over, Al Qaeda takes over once again.

Suspend all trials at Gitmo - even for admitted conspirators in 9/11.

Request the push through of the second $350 billion without accountability clauses. So much for this transparent government he has claimed to bring in his "change".

 

Al Qaeda took over once before?  Have you confused Iraq and Afghanistan?

Originally posted by ste2000

Congratz on Obama guys, I hope he will make America stronger and respected again

It's not just about making America stronger,  it's making the American people stronger without our own goverment becoming unstoppable.  Hence the constitution's first priorities are to establish  rules to keep the powers that be from ever seizing complete power.

Obama seems like a decent enough fellow from the couple of years he's been in national politics.  Just because he is doesn't mean that the next in line will be the same though.   Look at JFK and his vice president,  JFK sent in assassins and insurgents to deal with the "enemies of freedom"  after JFK was shot LBJ just sent in the entire military force.  Without the permission from the other branches of goverment needed to declare war no less. 

Nixon and his guys weren't much better themselves really,  still gets me though that the illegaly invaded the DNC and get hosed whereas the dems invaded countries and it's all forgotten.

Listening to the speeches of that era of presidents makes my skin crawl at times.  Hopefully that time is over and our future presidents don't confuse themselves as anything more than a president.

you know im pretty sure the one of the most stupid terms to be coined this year was "illegal invasion"...

Never been a legal invasion ever, not once , ever, anywhere. Thats why its considered an act of war by everyone at all times , everytime. I really think someone invetned that term to test to see how ignorant people are, and how easily they can be influenced to ignore reality.

Anyway so is the  war in Afganistan now legal ? it was illegal ( man, how do you  keep a straight face saying that, im serious) up until the point Obama said he was sending more troops there.
 

Originally posted by Sharajat

Originally posted by Dekron

This is what Obama has done so far.

Obama Day One

Suspend pending Bush policies. This, of course is understandable.

Set a 16 month timetable for leaving Iraq. This is bad. Not bad in the sense he wants the war over, but bad as in saying "Hey, we are leaving in 16 months." Suddenly, violence seems to stop, but, when the pullout is over, Al Qaeda takes over once again.

Suspend all trials at Gitmo - even for admitted conspirators in 9/11.

Request the push through of the second $350 billion without accountability clauses. So much for this transparent government he has claimed to bring in his "change".

 

Al Qaeda took over once before?  Have you confused Iraq and Afghanistan?

No. They took over many parts in Iraq after Baghdad was taken.