Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by X-Porter

Originally posted by Zodan

I don't understand why people who:

1. Don't belong to decent organized guild

2. Who never got past rank 30

Complain. Get to rank 40 and you can start playing the actual game. Amazing game, the best mmo currently on market, fine there are some stuff that need evolving but they're working on it, I started at launch and totally hooked on the game; played 40/rr48Sorcerer and then my guild rerolled to order and now 40/rr43 BW and still enjoying and having fun.

Give it a chance and play for fun.

 

So the first couple of months are like a tutorial or something?

I'm sorry, but if I'm paying a monthly fee to play this game, it should be entertaining from day one.

If you need to be rank 40 to start playing the "actual" game, then our characters should be 40 to begin with.

If you need to be in a guild to play the "actual" game, then new characters should automatically go into a rookie guild like the rookie corps in EVE. Then you have people to talk to and ask questions, and people to put a party together from the get go.

Unfortunately, even if they were to do these things I'd still find the game unbearably dull.

 

If you read this whole thread, you will see that people are complaining about the current RvR endgame, but they are also saying the first 30 levels were fun.  So NO, the first few months aren't a tutorial.  The game doesn't start at 40.  It starts at level 1, and the ride to top level is, so far, the most fun I have had in any MMO.  You might want to get to around level 5 before you head in to RvR, but that only takes about an hour.  When you get there you'll see that plenty of people are doing RvR even in tier one.  This game IS fun from the the get go.

You also don't need to be in a guild to play any part of the game.  You can walk in to an area and join an open group, or start one of your own and watch it fill up as you play.  If you have questions, you can ask them in region chat, or ask the people you group with.  If you are the kind of guy who likes to solo... well, that is a viable option, but it isn't the way these games are designed to be played.  You can't really complain that you need other people's help to play through some of the the content in a massive multiplayer game.

I suggest you do not do O-RvR at lower levels. Most of the times are spent running around looking for the enemy and once you find it its all about the numbers.

Rather join scenarios if you want fun and balanced PvP. It is intense and has the best xp/time in the game. Also there is no PvE in scenario, what so ever.

Originally posted by Daedalus732

 What exactly did Mythic spend so much time developing?

You know, this is a good question.

I can only imagine the lion's share of their time went into the PVE... which is a shame given how empty the PVE zones are in tier 4.

Originally posted by GungaDin

endgame?  Everyone dies and Warhammer Online no longer exists?  Endgame for me is when I go to bed.  Then the next day i'm back in the action.  

I have about 8 different chracters and just ORVR or do scenarios.  Its awesome and my highest ranked toon is only 28 !. ... 

Don't listen to any of the negative posts here, just try the game for yourself.  If you don't like the style, then move on.  Simple as that.

Well, the game is not bad at all in the first three tiers.

Tier 4 it starts to go downhill, and level 40 it gets dull pretty fast.

Plus, once you have done one keep you've done them all, which seems a shame.

Originally posted by markyturnip

Originally posted by Daedalus732

 What exactly did Mythic spend so much time developing?

 

You know, this is a good question.

I can only imagine the lion's share of their time went into the PVE... which is a shame given how empty the PVE zones are in tier 4.

I think it's a shame the way a lot people view MMOs in general.  Mythic spent their time on content for the 39 levels a lot of people seem not to care about.  No MMO should be considered to start at max level.  The developers pour most of their effort in to making this part of the game, and then a lot of the players try to rush through it as quickly as possible. 

Most of a game should be spent on end game. I believe levels 1 through 39 are kinda useless. I know a lot of people who just try to rush through all those levels because the game doesn't begin until you reach level 40.

So, Warhammer is just a useless game, just because the combat and gameplay is just so boring. And yes, they did a good job on the quest system and all that stuff.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by markyturnip

Originally posted by Daedalus732

 What exactly did Mythic spend so much time developing?

 

You know, this is a good question.

I can only imagine the lion's share of their time went into the PVE... which is a shame given how empty the PVE zones are in tier 4.

 

I think it's a shame the way a lot people view MMOs in general.  Mythic spent their time on content for the 39 levels a lot of people seem not to care about.  No MMO should be considered to start at max level.  The developers pour most of their effort in to making this part of the game, and then a lot of the players try to rush through it as quickly as possible. 

 

You are right this is a general problem... It almost makes you think a developer would have noticed this by now and poured some time into end game...

The issue is the moment you say "no mmo should..." you are talking in absolutes and then we're talking about forcing a type of gameplay on people because they don't play like you or I do.

From a development stand point how big of a problem is this (because it seems so common and I agree on that).  How many subscribers are you losing because there is no end game..

Then again just on principle if its so common (again as it seems to be) why is the end game that is advertised never ready...

I dunno about anyone else here I didn't buy WAR to PvE.  I didn't rush to any level and never logged in saying I will be level X before I logged out.  I ran around from one fight to the next and ended up in a place that wasn't ready for me to be there.

That isn't my fault as a consumer... all I did was play the game...

Or maybe it is my fault that I no longer work in a certain industry.. have my own business and a lot of time on my hands.  When I have a process running that is going to take 14 hours.. yes I happen to play MMO's for much of that time.

Then again I was never crying that much about end game as I saw enough issues that started at T1 but I definitely rushed into T1.. that much I agree with.

So ya short version this is a developmental priority, misuse of resources and lack of team leadership problem from start to finish.  Or developers just haven't noticed how common this problem is as they are to busy rushing a project out the door with an entire advertised end game that isn't ready.  (notice I didn't say missing advertised "features" I think an entire missing end game goes beyond the feature label or non working end game whatever term you want to use)

I think you guys should probably move on to a PVE game more your speed.  Because if you are looking for a PVP game you cannot possibly consider this game boring.  Just from reading your posts I am 100% certain these games will appeal to you.  The rest of us will just stay here and continue to enjoy Warhammer.  Good luck!

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I`ve read most of the things you guys sayd first of all i`m one of defenders that has actualy defended city against order on Eltharion and I can say few words on that day I`m not talking about them taking Maaw and stuff like that you all know how fortresses are captured but the siege was nice and thrilling, 1-2hrs after start of the siege order jsut dissapeared all those that we could find we hawe slayed on the streets and near theyres breach point and some guild think <Inquisitors> gawe been barricaded them selvs into TOD in IC but owerall that xpirience is fun I agree that end game needs more stuff better loot from players etc. but imho i hawe more fun in this game than in any other MMO I hawe tried till this day there is so many things that you can do to make yours character unique which will fit yours paly style there is no perfect build ( you are a warrior ok you know in WOW you hawe to go arms or else you`ll suck in PVP) your succes in orvr ,sieges and scenarious depends of team play, nicely organized team can do allot more than some randoms and I think that this game is great cause of that, PQ`s are great every Pq turns out to be some sort of event for it self not  to mention that they turn into mini skirmishes if order arrives.There is always someone to fight and imho beter than kill those for 1 item which will drop after 1000 kills and you`ve gained a lvl great every quest in warhammer got nice story and background I`m 36 with chosen currently and i cannot wait to get to 40 game WIll get beter with every patch it has improwed  so i dont see a point why it will go down from next patch there are jsut people that like PVP and dont for those who love it these is agame for you for you that dont well ....there are lot of diferent options.

Borehammer, that's pretty funny and sadly pretty close to dead on.

Who knows, maybe Mythic's plan all along was to hype us up for Warhammer, then when we finally got in to play it, we would finally realize how superior DAoC's PvP was and it would send us all back to resub to DAoC again. 

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Originally posted by Zodan
I don't understand why people who:
1. Don't belong to decent organized guild
2. Who never got past rank 30
Complain.

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I quit at lvl 20 or so, as it got incredibly boring to level up and a chore to even log on ...

Originally posted by zimmy910

 

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Originally posted by Zodan
I don't understand why people who:
1. Don't belong to decent organized guild
2. Who never got past rank 30
Complain.

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I quit at lvl 20 or so, as it got incredibly boring to level up and a chore to even log on ...

 

Yep, thats about the threshold where most people find the game boring. Just doing PvP in Scenarios and pointless O-RvR just doesnt cut it.

I have rerolled innumerous alts, not because I cant stick to a character, but rather because the game gets boring and repetetive at T3 and on. Mythic need to stop threating this game as a themepark experience and give us a more hardcore war experience. For the first two tiers it is fun doing PvP in scenarios and an occasional raid keep (which are all the same) but after that it needs to step up another gear. It does not and thats where it fails for most people it seems.

Warhammer started with many bugs but now game is clear. This game is not static and devs. are working hard. This is the best RVR game out on the markets (for me).  They are listening every customer and they are not pushing you to roll a specific class like wow did (lock) .

This is my 4 th mmo and i can say openheartly this game is for pvpers . I admit it, i didnt like the city siege as i thought i would. But impressing work that Mythic shows that this game has the best support and evolving fast.

A few weeks before the city siege we weren't able to siege a fortress without a server crash now it is stabil.

Besides, i don't want to tell you that, WAR is for everyone . But it is not borehammer thats a huge mistake which is an exaggerated title for this decent game.

It is just a childish approach to discredit a game without showing any proof . there are many other mmos for different tastes , i am sure such a whiner can find a better mmo which fits to his/her kinda playing taste, since there are considerable thousands who likes this game, and waiting for more players to join them...

I thinks war will do just fine as a niche game for those 175-200K's that are left.......  

Guys, just keep reminding yourselves how much you hate AoC and you should be able to enjoy BoreHammer for a little longer.

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Originally posted by abal
Guys, just keep reminding yourselves how much you hate AoC and you should be able to enjoy BoreHammer for a little longer.

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That's the spirit!

"Play Warhammer! It sucks much LESS than AoC!" That's probably not a very good sales pitch.

WAR was such a boring game. I was in beta and thought perhaps the game had improved to change my feel on this....after a buddy pass week I can say....nope. The game has lots of detail I guess but I just didnt like it at all. I tried...=/

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Originally posted by Phobia
Just wanted to add that if you think bringing in a new class (as cool as the Slayers are) is going to breath new life into the game you're mistaken.

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Totally agree. A new class won't do a thing to help endgame boredom. Same as KOTBS didn't help and BG hasn't helped, they are just small delays in the overall boredom factor.

This from a CE owner with 3 characters in T4 and a member of one of the largest European Guilds in Warhammer.

RVR in Warhammer is the definition of repetitive gameplay. Which wouldn't be a bad thing if it wasn't so damn predictable and uninteresting.

Endgame in Warhammer is a missed opportunity and instead of being a reward for leveling feels like a punishment of boredom.

Originally posted by Mallarky

WAR is the biggest disappointment of the year.  It is actually a step BACKWARD compared to DAOC, a game that is over 7 years old! WTF was mythic thinking??  The game is downright terrible.

Couldn't agree more.

This game couldn't hold my interest for a full month. Completely boring and pointless. Mythic took a  HUGE step backwards here. They relied on the Warhammer lore by itself to attract customers, but forgot to actually make an interesting game.

Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by Mallarky

WAR is the biggest disappointment of the year.  It is actually a step BACKWARD compared to DAOC, a game that is over 7 years old! WTF was mythic thinking??  The game is downright terrible.

 

Couldn't agree more.

This game couldn't hold my interest for a full month. Completely boring and pointless. Mythic took a  HUGE step backwards here. They relied on the Warhammer lore by itself to attract customers, but forgot to actually make an interesting game.

Yahtzee!  Hits it dead on the head.  Too much of a game really, and not enough of a world.

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Originally posted by COORS

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Originally posted by Mallarky

WAR is the biggest disappointment of the year.  It is actually a step BACKWARD compared to DAOC, a game that is over 7 years old! WTF was mythic thinking??  The game is downright terrible.

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Couldn't agree more.
This game couldn't hold my interest for a full month. Completely boring and pointless. Mythic took a  HUGE step backwards here. They relied on the Warhammer lore by itself to attract customers, but forgot to actually make an interesting game.

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It's also not a good idea when using this strategy of depending on Warhammer lore to sell the game, to then change and stretch the lore all around to suit your interests at the moment so as to alienate your intended base.

This is the main reason the game has failed to keep the more educated TT Warhammer type fans and attracted a growing soccer hooligan-like mobset for the most part who know little about gaming as a whole and are satisfied with beta-released content which they gladly pay for on a monthly basis.

It's extremely easy to pass this off as original and "lore based" when they don't know next to nothing about actual lore, lol.