For what it is worth the XFire hours are 400 more between last Saturday and this one.

Could be the server merges, and people taking another look see

Could be the low new low price, hey for less than 10 bucks US cant be beat

Could be the XFire threads on the forums and fanbois starting to use it to artificialy bum the numbers

Most likly all the above

Whatever the reason at least the trend is upward not downward. What I keep asking myselfr though, is the game interesting enough to retain those customers for several months? For me it isn't. Not that I think there is anything terrible wrong with the game, just for me there was not enough to do and all my gaming buddies are busy playing another game that also happens to be very very good and offers me more for my time.

Originally posted by Jackdog

For what it is worth the XFire hours are 400 more between last Saturday and this one.

Could be the server merges, and people taking another look see

Could be the low new low price, hey for less than 10 bucks US cant be beat

Could be the XFire threads on the forums and fanbois starting to use it to artificialy bum the numbers

Most likly all the above

Whatever the reason at least the trend is upward not downward. What I keep asking myselfr though, is the game interesting enough to retain those customers for several months? For me it isn't. Not that I think there is anything terrible wrong with the game, just for me there was not enough to do and all my gaming buddies are busy playing another game that also happens to be very very good and offers me more for my time.

Except that the trend is now DOWNWARD.

AOC FALLS TO #50    LOSES 5 SPOTS IN ONE DAY

Jackdog.. you forgot one other option.    Xfire fell drastically on Saturday because Funcom wasn't in the office running xfire on all it's machines  :)   JK... but yeah, I agree it is a combination of all the things you said.  Add in that warhammer is hitting some rough spots so with the server mergers and nearly free 30 days, there are probably a lot of people checking out aoc.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Jackdog

For what it is worth the XFire hours are 400 more between last Saturday and this one.

Could be the server merges, and people taking another look see

Could be the low new low price, hey for less than 10 bucks US cant be beat

Could be the XFire threads on the forums and fanbois starting to use it to artificialy bum the numbers

Most likly all the above

Whatever the reason at least the trend is upward not downward. What I keep asking myselfr though, is the game interesting enough to retain those customers for several months? For me it isn't. Not that I think there is anything terrible wrong with the game, just for me there was not enough to do and all my gaming buddies are busy playing another game that also happens to be very very good and offers me more for my time.

 

Except that the trend is now DOWNWARD.

AOC FALLS TO #50    LOSES 5 SPOTS IN ONE DAY

Jackdog.. you forgot one other option.    Xfire fell drastically on Saturday because Funcom wasn't in the office running xfire on all it's machines  :)   JK... but yeah, I agree it is a combination of all the things you said.  Add in that warhammer is hitting some rough spots so with the server mergers and nearly free 30 days, there are probably a lot of people checking out aoc.

hours played between last Saturday and this Saturday are up by 400 hours.  Question is where will it be in March? Could be back down in the 2- 3K range or maybe up into the 7 to 8K range.

Time will tell.

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Jackdog

For what it is worth the XFire hours are 400 more between last Saturday and this one.

Could be the server merges, and people taking another look see

Could be the low new low price, hey for less than 10 bucks US cant be beat

Could be the XFire threads on the forums and fanbois starting to use it to artificialy bum the numbers

Most likly all the above

Whatever the reason at least the trend is upward not downward. What I keep asking myselfr though, is the game interesting enough to retain those customers for several months? For me it isn't. Not that I think there is anything terrible wrong with the game, just for me there was not enough to do and all my gaming buddies are busy playing another game that also happens to be very very good and offers me more for my time.

 

Except that the trend is now DOWNWARD.

AOC FALLS TO #50    LOSES 5 SPOTS IN ONE DAY

Jackdog.. you forgot one other option.    Xfire fell drastically on Saturday because Funcom wasn't in the office running xfire on all it's machines  :)   JK... but yeah, I agree it is a combination of all the things you said.  Add in that warhammer is hitting some rough spots so with the server mergers and nearly free 30 days, there are probably a lot of people checking out aoc.

hours played between last Saturday and this Saturday are up by 400 hours.  Question is where will it be in March? Could be back down in the 2- 3K range or maybe up into the 7 to 8K range.

Time will tell.

lol. AoC has more than 6100 Xfire gaming hours, something the game have not had since end October or Beginning of November. I fail to see how this somehow is bad news. Also the no. of Xfire players are +9% compared to last Saturday. Very good news.

And another thing that I just became aware of. These numbers are with some downtime on the EU servers. Will probably see that on todays numbers also.

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Jackdog

For what it is worth the XFire hours are 400 more between last Saturday and this one.

Could be the server merges, and people taking another look see

Could be the low new low price, hey for less than 10 bucks US cant be beat

Could be the XFire threads on the forums and fanbois starting to use it to artificialy bum the numbers

Most likly all the above

Whatever the reason at least the trend is upward not downward. What I keep asking myselfr though, is the game interesting enough to retain those customers for several months? For me it isn't. Not that I think there is anything terrible wrong with the game, just for me there was not enough to do and all my gaming buddies are busy playing another game that also happens to be very very good and offers me more for my time.

 

Except that the trend is now DOWNWARD.

AOC FALLS TO #50    LOSES 5 SPOTS IN ONE DAY

Jackdog.. you forgot one other option.    Xfire fell drastically on Saturday because Funcom wasn't in the office running xfire on all it's machines  :)   JK... but yeah, I agree it is a combination of all the things you said.  Add in that warhammer is hitting some rough spots so with the server mergers and nearly free 30 days, there are probably a lot of people checking out aoc.

hours played between last Saturday and this Saturday are up by 400 hours.  Question is where will it be in March? Could be back down in the 2- 3K range or maybe up into the 7 to 8K range.

Time will tell.

 

lol. AoC has more than 6100 Xfire gaming hours, something the game have not had since end October or Beginning of November. I fail to see how this somehow is bad news. Also the no. of Xfire players are +9% compared to last Saturday. Very good news.

And another thing that I just became aware of. These numbers are with some downtime on the EU servers. Will probably see that on todays numbers also.

look at it this way if the numbers were not up coming off the holiday season and  the game selling for £4.50 game cards at  £17.99, and the major merge of servers  they might as well shut down the servers. The next few months will determine whether the game is a Eve and recover and maintain a decent  population or a Vanguard and continue a slow spiral to obscurity.

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Jackdog

For what it is worth the XFire hours are 400 more between last Saturday and this one.

Could be the server merges, and people taking another look see

Could be the low new low price, hey for less than 10 bucks US cant be beat

Could be the XFire threads on the forums and fanbois starting to use it to artificialy bum the numbers

Most likly all the above

Whatever the reason at least the trend is upward not downward. What I keep asking myselfr though, is the game interesting enough to retain those customers for several months? For me it isn't. Not that I think there is anything terrible wrong with the game, just for me there was not enough to do and all my gaming buddies are busy playing another game that also happens to be very very good and offers me more for my time.

 

Except that the trend is now DOWNWARD.

AOC FALLS TO #50    LOSES 5 SPOTS IN ONE DAY

Jackdog.. you forgot one other option.    Xfire fell drastically on Saturday because Funcom wasn't in the office running xfire on all it's machines  :)   JK... but yeah, I agree it is a combination of all the things you said.  Add in that warhammer is hitting some rough spots so with the server mergers and nearly free 30 days, there are probably a lot of people checking out aoc.

hours played between last Saturday and this Saturday are up by 400 hours.  Question is where will it be in March? Could be back down in the 2- 3K range or maybe up into the 7 to 8K range.

Time will tell.

 

lol. AoC has more than 6100 Xfire gaming hours, something the game have not had since end October or Beginning of November. I fail to see how this somehow is bad news. Also the no. of Xfire players are +9% compared to last Saturday. Very good news.

And another thing that I just became aware of. These numbers are with some downtime on the EU servers. Will probably see that on todays numbers also.

ok, so now that AOC has once again fallen back in the 50's, like I said they would..  you are changing your 'red' number?

The game got a temporary bump because of the $2 box sales and because  of the hype of mergers, but things are going back to normal very soon.  It's exactly like when they  launched the 'pvp' patch a few months ago.  For a week after the patch, AOC was busier than normal, but then dropped right back down to normal.

Same thing " OMG, let me see if my character survived the merger, and let me run around a few zones to see if populations are increasing'.  Like I said very early in this thread when you posted the 'jump in xfire'.   It's very temporary and will die fast.  And look I was right.. back to the 50's for AOC.

Excpect another 'jump' if AOC gives away a free month for returning players.

By the way.. WOW launched another 3 new servers in NA this weekend.  That is 35 new servers since November.

I wish I could run Xfire...but it screws with AoC and makes if very laggy. The screen will freeze. It'll tell me that AoC is not responding. The screen will go black. The screen will go white. It'll go back to normal. I'll click on something and bam. Extreme lag

rinse and repeat.

Xfire doesn't work well with AoC. Atleast for me.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Jackdog

For what it is worth the XFire hours are 400 more between last Saturday and this one.

Could be the server merges, and people taking another look see

Could be the low new low price, hey for less than 10 bucks US cant be beat

Could be the XFire threads on the forums and fanbois starting to use it to artificialy bum the numbers

Most likly all the above

Whatever the reason at least the trend is upward not downward. What I keep asking myselfr though, is the game interesting enough to retain those customers for several months? For me it isn't. Not that I think there is anything terrible wrong with the game, just for me there was not enough to do and all my gaming buddies are busy playing another game that also happens to be very very good and offers me more for my time.

 

Except that the trend is now DOWNWARD.

AOC FALLS TO #50    LOSES 5 SPOTS IN ONE DAY

Jackdog.. you forgot one other option.    Xfire fell drastically on Saturday because Funcom wasn't in the office running xfire on all it's machines  :)   JK... but yeah, I agree it is a combination of all the things you said.  Add in that warhammer is hitting some rough spots so with the server mergers and nearly free 30 days, there are probably a lot of people checking out aoc.

hours played between last Saturday and this Saturday are up by 400 hours.  Question is where will it be in March? Could be back down in the 2- 3K range or maybe up into the 7 to 8K range.

Time will tell.

 

lol. AoC has more than 6100 Xfire gaming hours, something the game have not had since end October or Beginning of November. I fail to see how this somehow is bad news. Also the no. of Xfire players are +9% compared to last Saturday. Very good news.

And another thing that I just became aware of. These numbers are with some downtime on the EU servers. Will probably see that on todays numbers also.

 

ok, so now that AOC has once again fallen back in the 50's, like I said they would..  you are changing your 'red' number?

The game got a temporary bump because of the $2 box sales and because  of the hype of mergers, but things are going back to normal very soon.  It's exactly like when they  launched the 'pvp' patch a few months ago.  For a week after the patch, AOC was busier than normal, but then dropped right back down to normal.

Same thing " OMG, let me see if my character survived the merger, and let me run around a few zones to see if populations are increasing'.  Like I said very early in this thread when you posted the 'jump in xfire'.   It's very temporary and will die fast.  And look I was right.. back to the 50's for AOC.

Excpect another 'jump' if AOC gives away a free month for returning players.

By the way.. WOW launched another 3 new servers in NA this weekend.  That is 35 new servers since November.

These games keep jumping back and forth, but the overall journey is that AoC just keep getting higher and higher up. And you fail to tell us that even so AoC is #50 instead of #45, This saturday had like 400 more hours  than last saturday and the number of players are like +9% higher.  AND, this happened in spite of AoC having some server downtime in EU.

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Jackdog

For what it is worth the XFire hours are 400 more between last Saturday and this one.

Could be the server merges, and people taking another look see

Could be the low new low price, hey for less than 10 bucks US cant be beat

Could be the XFire threads on the forums and fanbois starting to use it to artificialy bum the numbers

Most likly all the above

Whatever the reason at least the trend is upward not downward. What I keep asking myselfr though, is the game interesting enough to retain those customers for several months? For me it isn't. Not that I think there is anything terrible wrong with the game, just for me there was not enough to do and all my gaming buddies are busy playing another game that also happens to be very very good and offers me more for my time.

 

Except that the trend is now DOWNWARD.

AOC FALLS TO #50    LOSES 5 SPOTS IN ONE DAY

Jackdog.. you forgot one other option.    Xfire fell drastically on Saturday because Funcom wasn't in the office running xfire on all it's machines  :)   JK... but yeah, I agree it is a combination of all the things you said.  Add in that warhammer is hitting some rough spots so with the server mergers and nearly free 30 days, there are probably a lot of people checking out aoc.

hours played between last Saturday and this Saturday are up by 400 hours.  Question is where will it be in March? Could be back down in the 2- 3K range or maybe up into the 7 to 8K range.

Time will tell.

 

lol. AoC has more than 6100 Xfire gaming hours, something the game have not had since end October or Beginning of November. I fail to see how this somehow is bad news. Also the no. of Xfire players are +9% compared to last Saturday. Very good news.

And another thing that I just became aware of. These numbers are with some downtime on the EU servers. Will probably see that on todays numbers also.

 

ok, so now that AOC has once again fallen back in the 50's, like I said they would..  you are changing your 'red' number?

The game got a temporary bump because of the $2 box sales and because  of the hype of mergers, but things are going back to normal very soon.  It's exactly like when they  launched the 'pvp' patch a few months ago.  For a week after the patch, AOC was busier than normal, but then dropped right back down to normal.

Same thing " OMG, let me see if my character survived the merger, and let me run around a few zones to see if populations are increasing'.  Like I said very early in this thread when you posted the 'jump in xfire'.   It's very temporary and will die fast.  And look I was right.. back to the 50's for AOC.

Excpect another 'jump' if AOC gives away a free month for returning players.

By the way.. WOW launched another 3 new servers in NA this weekend.  That is 35 new servers since November.

 

These games keep jumping back and forth, but the overall journey is that AoC just keep getting higher and higher up. And you fail to tell us that even so AoC is #50 instead of #45, This saturday had like 400 more hours  than last saturday and the number of players are like +9% higher.  AND, this happened in spite of AoC having some server downtime in EU.

So you're changing the rules mid-game yet again, eh Orion?

First it was "X-Fire numbers don't mean anything" when they didn't reflect well for AoC

Then it was "A-ha! X-Fire numbers show that AoC is at #45!! Clearly it is getting better!" - Suddenly you tout X-Fire numbers when they reflect well on the game.

AoC drops back to #50 on XFire (as others have said it would), and all of a sudden.. the rank doesn't matter anymore.  Now it's "Up 9%!!!"

So, you can't maintain a consistent position on whether or not X-Fire numbers mean anything or not. You can't even stick to a consistent way of gauging it. When its XFire rank improves, it's all about it's rank.. Now when the rank drops again, it's all about the % of increased players.

So what will your next "proof" be when the % of players drops again and you decide to dismiss that and move on to something else? Any idea?

Uh... It's up to #44 now.  It's like a yo-yo.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by OrionMan

 

These games keep jumping back and forth, but the overall journey is that AoC just keep getting higher and higher up. And you fail to tell us that even so AoC is #50 instead of #45, This saturday had like 400 more hours  than last saturday and the number of players are like +9% higher.  AND, this happened in spite of AoC having some server downtime in EU.

 

So you're changing the rules mid-game yet again, eh Orion?

First it was "X-Fire numbers don't mean anything" when they didn't reflect well for AoC

Then it was "A-ha! X-Fire numbers show that AoC is at #45!! Clearly it is getting better!" - Suddenly you tout X-Fire numbers when they reflect well on the game.

AoC drops back to #50 on XFire (as others have said it would), and all of a sudden.. the rank doesn't matter anymore.  Now it's "Up 9%!!!"

So, you can't maintain a consistent position on whether or not X-Fire numbers mean anything or not. You can't even stick to a consistent way of gauging it. When its XFire rank improves, it's all about it's rank.. Now when the rank drops again, it's all about the % of increased players.

So what will your next "proof" be when the % of players drops again and you decide to dismiss that and move on to something else? Any idea?

Oooops! Now AoC are 6771 (and last Sunday it was 5795), this is up +17% since last week

Further has AoC 1499 players (last sunday it was 1204), this is up +25% since last week. Now being #44 

Look the point of this thread is to discuss, the seemingly incresed activity in AoC. It's not a "game" as you say. If it is so hard to understand that AoC have a massive backflux of players when population numbers are incresing with 20% in one day, you might as well not bother to comment. It should also not be hard to understand what EU server downtime does to game time numbers.

Last thing, those numbers are with like 4 hours server downtime in EU. We should therefore expect them to be even higher..  

Well I would hope it goes up when their making post in the forums about installing xfire for the purpose of increasing its xfire ranks.

Originally posted by convict

Well I would hope it goes up when their making post in the forums about installing xfire for the purpose of increasing its xfire ranks.

lol. I knew it would come. Ref please, both me and you there is no such post.

 I think because of word of mouth the game is going to start going up as I am hearing a lot more positive things about it. I returned fairly recently and already renewed for the next month and don't see myself quitting unless darkfall makes good on their claims (which honestly I doubt). The real test is the next few months as if after the 1.04 patch release I'm sure we'll see an influx of people. If the next two months after it drops see steady increases I think Aoc will see a healthy increase in population overall. 

Originally posted by convict

Well I would hope it goes up when their making post in the forums about installing xfire for the purpose of increasing its xfire ranks.

Yeah, it's basically exactly like what they did with that 'vote' last month.  They posted a direct link to the website from the official forums, then they got Famine to tag the thread.   The link originally even 'forced' any clickers to vote for AOC, and then they posted details about how you could vote multiple times.

Then Orion posted a thread here about them 'winning' the poll.  :) see any similarities?

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by convict

Well I would hope it goes up when their making post in the forums about installing xfire for the purpose of increasing its xfire ranks.

 

Yeah, it's basically exactly like what they did with that 'vote' last month.  They posted a direct link to the website from the official forums, then they got Famine to tag the thread.   The link originally even 'forced' any clickers to vote for AOC, and then they posted details about how you could vote multiple times.

Then Orion posted a thread here about them 'winning' the poll.  :) see any similarities?

Could you post a link to that thread? I have searched and cannot find it on the main AoC forums, and I prefer my trolls to provide exact data and links.

Thanks

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by convict

Well I would hope it goes up when their making post in the forums about installing xfire for the purpose of increasing its xfire ranks.

 

Yeah, it's basically exactly like what they did with that 'vote' last month.  They posted a direct link to the website from the official forums, then they got Famine to tag the thread.   The link originally even 'forced' any clickers to vote for AOC, and then they posted details about how you could vote multiple times.

Then Orion posted a thread here about them 'winning' the poll.  :) see any similarities?

Could you post a link to that thread? I have searched and cannot find it on the main AoC forums, and I prefer my trolls to provide exact data and links.

Thanks

*Feets stomping, Trolls running off to make such a thread*

lol

Here is a nice little comparison for the trolls and fans. Stats have been run on sundays (due to different play times). The % change is between 7th of dec and 19th of jan. I did this because i follow the Funcom stock.

               07-Dec   04-Jan   19-Jan    % Change
AoC       4819        5768       6771         29%
lotro       14182    14715     13927       -2%
WAR      19757    20728     18338       -8%
EQ2        3082       2532        2605        -18%
WOW   515021   514821   518156      1%
 

Now, note this. On the stock forums in Norway most of the "SELL" guys have used xfire to prove the downward trend, while the "BUY" guys have used all sorts of arguments to prove them wrong.

Now it seems that the trend has turned and AoC is no longer loosing subs, and the funny thing happens. Alle the negative guys write about how Funcom are manipulating these xfire figures and how little they mean, while the positive guys can wait for a new figure to come out so they can post it in big red screeming letters.  

If you are reasonable you will see that the trend has turned for AoC. The number of subs are growing. For how long we dont know, but it is definately growing. Its still far behind other great titles like LOTRO and WAR, however it is gaining momentum and will probably be competing with these two tiltes for long term customers.

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by convict

Well I would hope it goes up when their making post in the forums about installing xfire for the purpose of increasing its xfire ranks.

 

Yeah, it's basically exactly like what they did with that 'vote' last month.  They posted a direct link to the website from the official forums, then they got Famine to tag the thread.   The link originally even 'forced' any clickers to vote for AOC, and then they posted details about how you could vote multiple times.

Then Orion posted a thread here about them 'winning' the poll.  :) see any similarities?

Could you post a link to that thread? I have searched and cannot find it on the main AoC forums, and I prefer my trolls to provide exact data and links.

Thanks

Oh well - Here is one post that you can interpret any way you want

Originally posted by Aceundor

Here is a nice little comparison for the trolls and fans. Stats have been run on sundays (due to different play times). The % change is between 7th of dec and 19th of jan. I did this because i follow the Funcom stock.

               07-Dec   04-Jan   19-Jan    % Change
AoC       4819        5768       6771         29%
lotro       14182    14715     13927       -2%
WAR      19757    20728     18338       -8%
EQ2        3082       2532        2605        -18%
WOW   515021   514821   518156      1%
 

Now, note this. On the stock forums in Norway most of the "SELL" guys have used xfire to prove the downward trend, while the "BUY" guys have used all sorts of arguments to prove them wrong.

Now it seems that the trend has turned and AoC is no longer loosing subs, and the funny thing happens. Alle the negative guys write about how Funcom are manipulating these xfire figures and how little they mean, while the positive guys can wait for a new figure to come out so they can post it in big red screeming letters.  

If you are reasonable you will see that the trend has turned for AoC. The number of subs are growing. For how long we dont know, but it is definately growing. Its still far behind other great titles like LOTRO and WAR, however it is gaining momentum and will probably be competing with these two tiltes for long term customers.

 

Crom and Ymir!  A well-thought out, rational post!  Nice to see one here....

I agree, Xfire numbers are going up for the meantime - I just hope that this does indeed reflect an increase in subscribers, and that this trend continues.

Anecdotally, on Hyrkania (my server), there are some people new to the game arriving and asking basic questions, so there is definitely some new blood arriving - this has only really started in the last month or so for my server, so there is a definite change in the atmosphere.

Originally posted by Halandir

Could you post a link to that thread? I have searched and cannot find it on the main AoC forums, and I prefer my trolls to provide exact data and links.

Thanks

 

Oh well - Here is one post that you can interpret any way you want

 

Interesting. And did you by chance, read the results? Or did you decide that ONE persons post makes this the norm for all players? That by this one person stating they use Xfire to crank numbers, that this one person alone makes the overall Xfire times increase so exponentially as to make the Xfire game unfair for other MMO's?

Really silly notions here.

BTW, those results.

Do you use Xfire when playing AOC ?

Yes                                       39     15.42%
No                                      151      59.68%
What the hell is Xfire ?     63      24.90%

Could you imagine if these people DID use Xfire?

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Originally posted by openedge1

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Originally posted by Halandir

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Could you post a link to that thread? I have searched and cannot find it on the main AoC forums, and I prefer my trolls to provide exact data and links.
Thanks

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Oh well - Here is one post that you can interpret any way you want
 

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Interesting. And did you by chance, read the results? Or did you decide that ONE persons post makes this the norm for all players? That by this one person stating they use Xfire to crank numbers, that this one person alone makes the overall Xfire times increase so exponentially as to make the Xfire game unfair for other MMO's?
Really silly notions here.
BTW, those results.
Do you use Xfire when playing AOC ?
Yes                                       39     15.42%
No                                      151      59.68%
What the hell is Xfire ?     63      24.90%
 
Could you imagine if these people DID use Xfire?
 

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So by going by this pole over 15% use xfire that play AoC. If oyu go by these numbers you can say that AoC has around 20-25k subs.

AOC is selling at 70% price reductions at most places (to get rid of the stock).

Of course this leads to growth in new players. The question is will they stay.

For that to happen we watch the stats within a month/two months again.

They didn't stay in May, will they say now?

Also I don't agree on the 300 K subs of War, they are at 26/1 Wow ratio on Xfire these days. Counting this it would mean War only has 200/220K subs and AoC is around 70/80 K at the moment.

In May at launch AoC had a max of 80K Xfire plays, now it is a 6K,XFire that would mean it lost more than 90% of its initial players. So 70/80 K subs for  Conan is the most likely outcome.

The same count can be done for WAR btw: They were at 800K "accounts" two weeks after launch with a maximum of 70K Xfire plays. Now they have a maximum of 18K Xfire, which means they lost almost 1/4 of their players. Take the above 26/1 ratio with Wow and you also come up with 200K players for War.

Also: like FunCom, Mythic had to let go co-workers (in fact the complete beta testing staff) on order of EA.

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I think there could be a shift from WAR back to AoC of a few thousand players. We will see what they will do when DF launches (if it ever launches).

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Most important lessons learned above : Wow killers behead each other, instead of their main target.

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by Halandir

Could you post a link to that thread? I have searched and cannot find it on the main AoC forums, and I prefer my trolls to provide exact data and links.

Thanks

 

Oh well - Here is one post that you can interpret any way you want

 

Interesting. And did you by chance, read the results? Or did you decide that ONE persons post makes this the norm for all players? That by this one person stating they use Xfire to crank numbers, that this one person alone makes the overall Xfire times increase so exponentially as to make the Xfire game unfair for other MMO's?

Really silly notions here.

BTW, those results.

Do you use Xfire when playing AOC ?

Yes                                       39     15.42%
No                                      151      59.68%
What the hell is Xfire ?     63      24.90%

 

Could you imagi if these people DID use Xfirnee?

 

Heh - you asked for an exact link, I gave you one, I did not even begin to comment on it so I really don't see where your hostility is coming from? Do you have a problem with someone calling your (attempted troll) bluff?

As for my imagination (and silly notions):

• Yes I can imagine 39 people using xfire && AoC.
• No - There is no way in hell 15% of the AoC playerbase is using xfire.

You could translate that to: Somewhere between 39 users and 15% of the AoC population uses xfire! (But that would be as pointless as the "poll" in that thread

Ok, better give you something solid to "attack": My personal guesstimate would be that between 0.5% and 1.5% of all AoC players use xfire.

Originally posted by Halandir

 

Heh - you asked for an exact link, I gave you one, I did not even begin to comment on it so I really don't see where your hostility is coming from? Do you have a problem with someone calling your (attempted troll) bluff?

As for my imagination (and silly notions):

• Yes I can imagine 39 people using xfire && AoC.
• No - There is no way in hell 15% of the AoC playerbase is using xfire.

You could translate that to: Somewhere between 39 users and 15% of the AoC population uses xfire! (But that would be as pointless as the "poll" in that thread

Ok, better give you something solid to "attack": My personal guesstimate would be that between 0.5% and 1.5% of all AoC players use xfire.

 

If that is true ...
 

then Xfire is VERY reliable.

because it only traces videogame players and what they play and a sample of 1% is extremely BIG.

1000-1500 people are needed to predict elections in a state of 10.000.000 people.

And here in our XFire sample, no one cares about race, age, gender etc ...

So 1% sample of what you want to study WITH already an included predefined public (game players with an internet) is accurate up to 2% of what it measures....

I take Xfire figures with a 10% accuracy, but if you are right it is down to 2% accurate !!!