Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by mrmeloni

The people claiming the farmers will band together in huge groups and kill people are stupid idiots, if the farmers do that they become easy to spot, one petition to aventurine and hello mr farmy sucksuck 10 dolla - meet the ban stick.

Also, farmers will not be able to play multiple accounts at once to make money like this do other games, Multiboxing Darkfall would be like trying to multibox quake2, you simply wouldn't be able to do it successfully, you would just die over and over.

This means it's one farmer per logged in account, and their profits diminish greatly and they decide to stick to farming other more easily farmed games where they can play 5 accounts at once and won't get ganked for it.

 

So you are saying that goldfarmers will be the only groups that will go around killing people? Maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror before saying anyone is a stupid idiot

Also thinking one petiton will cause the gold farmer to be banned? ROFL.

Gold farmers are easy to spot, gold farmers bundled up in groups are even easier to spot, the more of them playing together the more they stand out.

Yes, I'm sure only one person will petition the obvious farmers, because you know, there's that invisible rule that only person in the world at a time may notice and petition an obvious group of farmers.

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Originally posted by mrmeloni

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by mrmeloni

The people claiming the farmers will band together in huge groups and kill people are stupid idiots, if the farmers do that they become easy to spot, one petition to aventurine and hello mr farmy sucksuck 10 dolla - meet the ban stick.

Also, farmers will not be able to play multiple accounts at once to make money like this do other games, Multiboxing Darkfall would be like trying to multibox quake2, you simply wouldn't be able to do it successfully, you would just die over and over.

This means it's one farmer per logged in account, and their profits diminish greatly and they decide to stick to farming other more easily farmed games where they can play 5 accounts at once and won't get ganked for it.

 

So you are saying that goldfarmers will be the only groups that will go around killing people? Maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror before saying anyone is a stupid idiot

Also thinking one petiton will cause the gold farmer to be banned? ROFL.

 

 

Gold farmers are easy to spot, gold farmers bundled up in groups are even easier to spot, the more of them playing together the more they stand out.

 

Yes, I'm sure only one person will petition the obvious farmers, because you know, there's that invisible rule that only person in the world at a time may notice and petition an obvious group of farmers.

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You just assume that goldfarmers will stand out. In a lot of MMO's only the spammers use wefjgh23r7e kind of names and are easily detectable. They will get banned for the advertising before the name gets petitioned. Those are not the characters that gather the gold.

 In a FFA game, I dont expect them to just leave a couple of bots unguarded in a farming spot. Or walk around with a name like sdkfjhwikuy5. Even if they did, they would change this as soon as they get into too much trouble with this.

Goldselling companies might be illegal, but dont think that they are also stupid. I also think that there is a market especially in a FFA game for goldsellers. Cowardly griefers who buy themselfs the gear to grief lowbies. It totally fits into their behaviour

Actually there is significant proof that gold farmers are dumb.

They spam people ingame with names like fgfgh111 over and over, creating a huge amount of hate for them from the overall playerbase, people hate them for their spam, in many games it is so bad you can have 1 farmer pm spamming you several times a second, it's overkill and not needed, yet as retardedly stupid as it is, they still do it. I've played some games recently where they do it to such an extent that they caused the GM's to step up their anti-gold farmer banning activites.

So yes they are dumb, they are stupid as **** because their insane ingame spamming is making the players hate them, and even worse for them it's making the GMs hate them, they are causing themselves more harm than good with such insane ingame spam, the loss of accounts from extra bannings from pissed off game companies is probably not worth the few extra customers they obtain from spam, not only that, but they could probably only advertise with 1 line of text once per 5 minutes and get the same number of customers, but instead they choose to spam their advertisements over and over and over so that one single player will probably see that same advertisement 20 plus times in less than a minute, or even hundreds of times over 10 minutes. What do they gain from this and what is so clever about it? The hate it generates against them from players and game companies alike means they lose out because of it. Some players would even get so pissed off that they would go out of their way to help GM's find the farmers. I know this is what I sometimes do when their spam pushes me to far.

Originally posted by mrmeloni

Actually there is significant proof that gold farmers are dumb.

They spam people ingame with names like fgfgh111 over and over, creating a huge amount of hate for them from the overall playerbase, people hate them for their spam, in many games it is so bad you can have 1 farmer pm spamming you several times a second, it's overkill and not needed, yet as retardedly stupid as it is, they still do it. I've played some games recently where they do it to such an extent that they caused the GM's to step up their anti-gold farmer banning activites.

So yes they are dumb, they are stupid as **** because their insane ingame spamming is making the players hate them, and even worse for them it's making the GMs hate them, they are causing themselves more harm than good with such insane ingame spam, the loss of accounts from extra bannings from pissed off game companies is probably not worth the few extra customers they obtain from spam, not only that, but they could probably only advertise with 1 line of text once per 5 minutes and get the same number of customers, but instead they choose to spam their advertisements over and over and over so that one single player will probably see that same advertisement 20 plus times in less than a minute, or even hundreds of times over 10 minutes. What do they gain from this and what is so clever about it? The hate it generates against them from players and game companies alike means they lose out because of it. Some players would even get so pissed off that they would go out of their way to help GM's find the farmers. I know this is what I sometimes do when their spam pushes me to far.

I'm sure that if you were a gold farmer for a living, you'd starve to death

I so hope there are gold farmers in this game. It would make the best game ever if i could hunt down gold farmers. H@ll I'll even start a Guild called the witchhunters just for hunting down gold farmers LOL...

Originally posted by corpusc

they won't be bots (just think what a genius botwriter that would take to make a bot that was effective in battle against real players and knew the best things to do in their situations, choosing when to make bank runs (and best, most hidden routes), when to give up on fights, who to engage in fights with by past history with other players, etc).

and you will be able to kill them and take whatever they farmed.  basically, in this game they'll be no different than any other player, except their prime motivation for doing anything will be making money, and not simply trying to dominate people for fun. 

if they can make/keep enough gold to sell, they deserve it.

it doesnt take any genius botwriter at all for that. the only thing maybe is the bot wont be as good in pvp as a dedicated hardcore pvper. but i can imagine it killing alot of average players.

Originally posted by dave6660

Automated programs probably won't work well in Darkfall but professional players will be out there.  Yes, you can kill them and loot them but that might be easier said then done.  I doubt the farmers will run around solo or even in small groups.  Also why does everyone assume they won't be skilled players?  I imagine after playing 12 hours a day, 7 days a week they'll learn a thing or two about PvP.

Yea, that is like saying that bots would never work in Unreal, or Quake or other FPS....

Oh yea, and this games was developed using bots extensively to test it... so, it is clearly bot friendly.

Originally posted by mrmeloni

The people claiming the farmers will band together in huge groups and kill people are stupid idiots, if the farmers do that they become easy to spot, one petition to aventurine and hello mr farmy sucksuck 10 dolla - meet the ban stick.

Also, farmers will not be able to play multiple accounts at once to make money like this do other games, Multiboxing Darkfall would be like trying to multibox quake2, you simply wouldn't be able to do it successfully, you would just die over and over.

This means it's one farmer per logged in account, and their profits diminish greatly and they decide to stick to farming other more easily farmed games where they can play 5 accounts at once and won't get ganked for it.

Gold Selling firms regularly use stolen credit card numbers. They hack accounts, and do lots of various other things... all of which means that the account itself isnt hard to replace, what is harder to replace is the time invested (i.e. the gold/goods).
 

Originally posted by Superman0X

Originally posted by dave6660

Automated programs probably won't work well in Darkfall but professional players will be out there.  Yes, you can kill them and loot them but that might be easier said then done.  I doubt the farmers will run around solo or even in small groups.  Also why does everyone assume they won't be skilled players?  I imagine after playing 12 hours a day, 7 days a week they'll learn a thing or two about PvP.

 

Yea, that is like saying that bots would never work in Unreal, or Quake or other FPS....

Oh yea, and this games was developed using bots extensively to test it... so, it is clearly bot friendly. 

First off, I didn't say "never", don't put words in my mouth.  Only time will tell how well automated programs work.

They're claiming the game was tested with bots.  We have no idea to what extent or in what capacity.  The interface to the game that the developers use to code their "bots" is not going to be the same as what is given to the players.  So you can't compare what the developers can do with the entire code base in front of them to what would be bot writers can do having to reverse engineer everything.

Bots and gold farmers suk no matter what the game.

Originally posted by stonylein

Originally posted by corpusc

they won't be bots (just think what a genius botwriter that would take to make a bot that was effective in battle against real players and knew the best things to do in their situations, choosing when to make bank runs (and best, most hidden routes), when to give up on fights, who to engage in fights with by past history with other players, etc).

and you will be able to kill them and take whatever they farmed.  basically, in this game they'll be no different than any other player, except their prime motivation for doing anything will be making money, and not simply trying to dominate people for fun. 

if they can make/keep enough gold to sell, they deserve it.

 

it doesnt take any genius botwriter at all for that. the only thing maybe is the bot wont be as good in pvp as a dedicated hardcore pvper. but i can imagine it killing alot of average players.

They will run in large trains and attack anything aggro towards them I would guess. Then the farmers would setup in game guilds inorder to watch over there investment.

Originally posted by ruegon

I so hope there are gold farmers in this game. It would make the best game ever if i could hunt down gold farmers. H@ll I'll even start a Guild called the witchhunters just for hunting down gold farmers LOL...

Can I join lol. I was thinking about the exact same thing. Maybe if your part of the Anti-bot guild you wont get ganked by other players. I plan on going monk/crafter, so I wont be wearing a lot of flashy gear anyways. I wont mind throwing myself at some bots after I drop off my crafting supplies.

Don't make fun of the Chinese players, i still remember the days back in Diablo 2 where your worst fear was some Korean Xaoxaoxaoaxo Pk coming into the Hardcore mode.

Don't forget that Human beings can adept fast. They will probably be coached for this game and roam with Ganking squads around :P.

First, I hate these forums and the fact that if you leave the page it wipes your text you typed (I didn't want that detailed post anyways).

Short of it:

Farmers will adapt if this game is successful and looks to be profitable for them.  If they're getting ganked, they'll either start logging out, recalling, whatever, or they will simply swarm you and your little group of friends with their rather large operations, crushing you with numbers and engrish.

Originally posted by stonylein

Originally posted by corpusc

they won't be bots (just think what a genius botwriter that would take to make a bot that was effective in battle against real players and knew the best things to do in their situations, choosing when to make bank runs (and best, most hidden routes), when to give up on fights, who to engage in fights with by past history with other players, etc).

and you will be able to kill them and take whatever they farmed.  basically, in this game they'll be no different than any other player, except their prime motivation for doing anything will be making money, and not simply trying to dominate people for fun. 

if they can make/keep enough gold to sell, they deserve it.

 

it doesnt take any genius botwriter at all for that. the only thing maybe is the bot wont be as good in pvp as a dedicated hardcore pvper. but i can imagine it killing alot of average players.

you obviously have no understanding of or experience with programming anything that's not quite basic, if any at all.

people forget, when they say that these gold farmers will get mad skills and be able to fight back (or to another extreme, to be able to make the most organized force in the game and farm PEOPLE)

but people forget, there are a lot of easier ways for gold farming companies to get money than find skilled twitch players to farm gold in DF, when they could just get a bunch of unskilled people and farm where (where there's a lot more money to be made). It will happen but it won't be widespread and it won't influence anything.

EDIT: at the guy above who said you can make bots to kill people, lol then u deserve to kill those people since you just spent like 2 yrs and $100,000 developing a bot that matches DF AI. (they had a guy who worked on robots in the military work on the DF AI O.o)

Originally posted by Superman0X

Originally posted by dave6660

Automated programs probably won't work well in Darkfall but professional players will be out there.  Yes, you can kill them and loot them but that might be easier said then done.  I doubt the farmers will run around solo or even in small groups.  Also why does everyone assume they won't be skilled players?  I imagine after playing 12 hours a day, 7 days a week they'll learn a thing or two about PvP.

 

Yea, that is like saying that bots would never work in Unreal, or Quake or other FPS....

Oh yea, and this games was developed using bots extensively to test it... so, it is clearly bot friendly.

 

Originally posted by mrmeloni

The people claiming the farmers will band together in huge groups and kill people are stupid idiots, if the farmers do that they become easy to spot, one petition to aventurine and hello mr farmy sucksuck 10 dolla - meet the ban stick.

Also, farmers will not be able to play multiple accounts at once to make money like this do other games, Multiboxing Darkfall would be like trying to multibox quake2, you simply wouldn't be able to do it successfully, you would just die over and over.

This means it's one farmer per logged in account, and their profits diminish greatly and they decide to stick to farming other more easily farmed games where they can play 5 accounts at once and won't get ganked for it.

Gold Selling firms regularly use stolen credit card numbers. They hack accounts, and do lots of various other things... all of which means that the account itself isnt hard to replace, what is harder to replace is the time invested (i.e. the gold/goods).
 

there's a huge difference in a simple bot or a testing bot, and a bot that could successfully farm gold and do bank runs, know how to use trees/hills/environment for stealth, etc. etc. etc., all the stuff that a successful farmerr would need to be good at. 

quake bots just stay alive and frag.  farmer bots would have to act quite humanly to work independently, or would need frequent, watchful & skillfull babysitting to be profitable in a FFA full loot game like Darkfall.

I think some people are extremely underestimating how good Chinese players are at MMOs.  I played with some Chinese players on LOTRO, who I really have no clue if they really were farmers or not.  They didn't seem like it, but I didn't play with them all the time.  But they were damn good, and highly crazy and reckless, yet very skilled.

The only barrier was the obvious language one (yet they could still communicate with me on an understandable level whereas I know no Chinese at all), other than that they were better than most of the north american kids these days who really aren't used to old school EQ1/UO playstyles.  I liked playing with them though, they were hardcore and were one after another after another on quests.  Not like NA players where they got to get a drink or take a piss or do this or that or bullshit for half an hour in between one quest.

Personally, this is what MMOs are all about.  Not only playing with people in the states from California to Alabama, to places in Canada like Nova Scotia, but also the UK, Germany, and yes, even China.

Don't get so hard up on your flag all the time.  There's decent people and assholes the world over, that much is for sure.

And of course there's going to be gold farmers, but is this the game you really want to test them against?  No doubt it will be fun, but be prepared, that's all I can say.

This isn't the days of Yore on UO before gold sellers were around en masse, or when people were still wary of killing this person or that.

I don't know how many of you remember the launch of UO, but I hope you're ready ;).  Otherwise you're going to get the proverbial e-bolt through a window.

I do hope Darkfall lives up to its hype.  I fell for the Dark & Light scam (though got a full refund), and I hope this isn't a repeat, but for what this could possibly be, I think I'm almost willing to be scammed if it means a chance at something remotely similar to the first 3 months of UO that I experienced that was still the best MMO experience ever to this date.

hope the gold farmers get PK'd hardcore