Originally posted by Ascension08

Dude, this is a niche game. It was meant to be a niche game. That means the "griefers" NEED A HOME TOO! Yes, in your eyes the game will be ruined, but "to each his own". Ever heard that phrase?

Edit: I hope you get a taste of the DF community, at least on this site. My answer will probably be, overall, the nicest. Though they won't openly say things like "Go home or back to WoW you carebear noob, just cuz you don't like full PvP and corpse looting doesn't mean IT DOESN'T ROCKS!", they might imply them.

Go Fanbois, show this heathen what you're made of 

LOOK at the BIG picture.So then you have griefers vs griefers?WHAT do the losers become?you know the lower half of griefers who cannot beat the upper half of griefers?

They become bitter and want revenge,so they look for RMT sites to power level them a high level player,or go to that famous cheat site[TU] i won't name it.OR they just quit,so now you got 50% less players,then that group gets divided then again and again until no players left.Welcome to FURY online[fail]or that other game where you could become the overall ruler of the game,no matter i can't remember the name ALL these games FAIL bigtime,there is NOT a place for these niche games,because they have all failed LARGE.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Ascension08

Dude, this is a niche game. It was meant to be a niche game. That means the "griefers" NEED A HOME TOO! Yes, in your eyes the game will be ruined, but "to each his own". Ever heard that phrase?

Edit: I hope you get a taste of the DF community, at least on this site. My answer will probably be, overall, the nicest. Though they won't openly say things like "Go home or back to WoW you carebear noob, just cuz you don't like full PvP and corpse looting doesn't mean IT DOESN'T ROCKS!", they might imply them.

Go Fanbois, show this heathen what you're made of 

 

LOOK at the BIG picture.So then you have griefers vs griefers?WHAT do the losers become?you know the lower half of griefers who cannot beat the upper half of griefers?

They become bitter and want revenge,so they look for RMT sites to power level them a high level player,or go to that famous cheat site[TU] i won't name it.OR they just quit,so now you got 50% less players,then that group gets divided then again and again until no players left.Welcome to FURY online[fail]or that other game where you could become the overall ruler of the game,no matter i can't remember the name ALL these games FAIL bigtime,there is NOT a place for these niche games,because they have all failed LARGE.

the game is not just for griefers, its for people who like sandbox mmo's, crafters, and PVPers.

I dunno, when they run out of people to grief, um just MAYBE they organize into guilds and fight eachtother over territory/dungeons/items you name it, dunno jus' sayin'.

Originally posted by Wizardry

 LOOK at the BIG picture.So then you have griefers vs griefers?WHAT do the losers become?you know the lower half of griefers who cannot beat the upper half of griefers?

They become bitter and want revenge,so they look for RMT sites to power level them a high level player,or go to that famous cheat site[TU] i won't name it.OR they just quit,so now you got 50% less players,then that group gets divided then again and again until no players left.Welcome to FURY online[fail]or that other game where you could become the overall ruler of the game,no matter i can't remember the name ALL these games FAIL bigtime,there is NOT a place for these niche games,because they have all failed LARGE.

Well said. IF the main goal of DF to be open unrestricted PvP, this will promote, or at least wont restrict, griefing. And that will result in what you explained above. That is my biggest beef up to day with DF. 

Open PvP is extremely hard to implement, well, a good open PvP anyway. As far as I know, there was only one game that was completely open pvp and that saw moderate success: Planetside. Unfortuantely, its not even an MMORPG, its MMOFPS. Maybe DF will be the first. But, judging from history, from lack of solid information, lack of major funding behind the game, the odds are stacked highly against it. I hope I am wrong though, I would really like to play another Planetside, maybe even a better Planetside.

Originally posted by rageagainst

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by miagisan

a delay would pretty much be the final blow to this game. They have a better chance launching it with bugs then delaying it again at this point. The community has withstood many "delays of their finished product", i don't think another would help at all.

 

not really

 

Aventurine already has NO respect from the mmo community, due to the many lies and heavily misleading statements they have made

lol what lies and misleading statements? I'd love to hear this one

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by xpiher

 

In DF gear will be somewhat easy to replace. Most gear people are going to use will be made by crafters and very few people will be using the very few and actual finite epics (the epics in the game are actually going to be epic because only like 10 people will have them). What this means is if you are guilded regearing may take an hour tops while you help your crafter get the material, or seconds if the gear is premade. If you aren't guilded it will be a little more complicated, but most players will have a stash of cash for regearing. Not to mention that gear isn't suppose to be the focus of this game and it will have a player skill>gear system similar to AoC, but making gear matter more than it does in AoC. I think they'll reach a happy balance.

 

Thnx for the info. It sounds a bit better now, but still not enough IMO. I wish they would remove item dependancy completely, meaning you dont care if you get ganked and lose your items. I still dont want to wait 1 hour to make my gear, thats 1 hour Im not playing (assuming I could even find a crafter).

As I mentioned before, best PvP system I ever encountered is in Planetside: where you can loot items from corpses, but those items do not cost anything, when you respawn, you can get them for free immediately. So griefing is pretty much meaningless, you just respawn somewhere else and you dont lose anything. Death, however, is not meaningless - you lose precious seconds respawning, and that affects tactical situation around you. This system made PvP very dynamic, fun and involving. People are not afraid to go 1 on 1, or even 1 on 5. With even a slightest gear dependency, this may drastically and negatively change PvP.

In a system like DF, if Gear didn't matter at all death would mean but annoyance even in siege battles. Most people will only take mins to regear because they'll have extra sets of gear or have crafters on retainer that will make the gear quickly. In all honesty, having full loot pvp with gear that matters a little is the perfect compromise.

The only people who will be afriad to to actually fight are newbies and people that aren't in guilds. It will be a good system, but best to give it a shot.

I happen to like the idea of FFA. It will kind of remind me of Conquer Online. PvP wasn't so bad you couldn't play but it did keep you on your toes. Outside of full loot Conquer had a similar FFA system. It was always good to be in a respected guild with good allies. I think the same will prob be the same in DF. The advantage DF will have is the size of the world. I think after everyone gets their pvp kicks out of the way and actually form up guilds the pking will be less FFA. You'll prob have to go through your guild leaders or officers to confirm a kill. Unless of course your in a guild that is kill all lol.

Does your alignment change back to good over time in DF? I had my mass murdering days in Conquer but it was nice knowing after some hrs logged in I would become nuetral again.

This thread is made of fail, FAIL, FAIL, FAIL!

If you don't like full loot then GTFO of Darkfall because even the devs don't want to listen to your whiney cry baby self.

Originally posted by mrmeloni

This thread is made of fail, FAIL, FAIL, FAIL!

If you don't like full loot then GTFO of Darkfall because even the devs don't want to listen to your whiney cry baby self.

As a valuable fan, soon to be a valuable Darkfall customer, I am entitle to complain, bitch, and cry for unneeded content that will surely destroy Darkfall due to griefers. Even if Darkfall is centered around you type of people (Griefers) doesn't mean I can't enjoy playing the game without doing your type of activities; griefing other players, stealing, and creating havoc. You're the type of player I'll love to hunt down and kill rapidly after I've hervest my mats needed for the epic 2h sword of pwnage.

I've particular set of skills I acquire for many long years of gaming, skills that mak me a nightmare for people like you, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you - MY FINAL WARNING TO GRIEFERS

Originally posted by spyhunter107

Originally posted by mrmeloni

This thread is made of fail, FAIL, FAIL, FAIL!

If you don't like full loot then GTFO of Darkfall because even the devs don't want to listen to your whiney cry baby self.

 

As a valuable fan, soon to be a valuable Darkfall customer, I am entitle to complain, bitch, and cry for unneeded content that will surely destroy Darkfall due to griefers. Even if Darkfall is centered around you type of people (Griefers) doesn't mean I can't enjoy playing the game without doing your type of activities; griefing other players, stealing, and creating havoc. You're the type of player I'll love to hunt down and kill rapidly after I've hervest my mats needed for the epic 2h sword of pwnage.

I've particular set of skills I acquire for many long years of gaming, skills that mak me a nightmare for people like you, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you - MY FINAL WARNING TO GRIEFERS

ummmm you see the thing is... well most of the info that is out seems make Aventurine/Tasos to be pvp ganker themselves... I guess one might say that DF is a pvp mmo made by gankers for gankers in mind... just curious but have you read Tasos past interviews... it's made quite clear...  also seems DF is especially designed for pvp guild dominance... so DF should be epic pvp w/ massive battles in a grand scale... now it just needs to release and subscribers to fill the world w/ ganking playes, both solo artists and guildeez alike.
 

 Its sad that people think this is a game just for the FFA PvP crowd. I never played a FFA PvP game before. I played Dark Age of Camelot (the best PvP game to date) and I am looking forward to the PVE content in this game, and the sense of community, more than anything else. Anyone who is a fan of old MMOs, EQ, UO, DAoC, AC, should be in love with this game. 

Originally posted by SignusM

 Its sad that people think this is a game just for the FFA PvP crowd. I never played a FFA PvP game before. I played Dark Age of Camelot (the best PvP game to date) and I am looking forward to the PVE content in this game, and the sense of community, more than anything else. Anyone who is a fan of old MMOs, EQ, UO, DAoC, AC, should be in love with this game. 

There's pve content in the game but that's not DF's main focus... the players will be the content in this type of environment and Guilds will play a strongly influencial roll... at least according to Tasos' past interviews.

Originally posted by spyhunter107 

I've particular set of skills I acquire for many long years of gaming, skills that mak me a nightmare for people like you, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you - MY FINAL WARNING TO GRIEFERS

Thats good - Chicks only like guys with great skills. But do you also have sweet dance moves?

Delay the game? I don't know enough of the game state to actually knew if that is needed or not.

I rather see they delay it than release it as an unfinnished product but while I read some beta leaks about buggs I havn't read anything worse or better than other MMOs and those leaks are a few weeks old so it is really impossible to say for anyone not in the beta.

I don't find the silence positive but maybe they don't have a real marketing department, that wont really matter for the game even though sales might be slow initially. On the other hand is Arenanet not much good at marketing and they do well, salespersons usually lie anyways.

The silence can of course be becuase they have something to hide but I really don't have enough info to answer this question and neither do most of you.

Nobody else even bother replying to this failed attempt at trolling, the op is making this thread to take the piss, that is obvious. He's probably that tenspotting cocksucker who has no life atall, just likes to try to wind people up on forums.

Originally posted by hidden1

Originally posted by SignusM

 Its sad that people think this is a game just for the FFA PvP crowd. I never played a FFA PvP game before. I played Dark Age of Camelot (the best PvP game to date) and I am looking forward to the PVE content in this game, and the sense of community, more than anything else. Anyone who is a fan of old MMOs, EQ, UO, DAoC, AC, should be in love with this game. 

 

There's pve content in the game but that's not DF's main focus... the players will be the content in this type of environment and Guilds will play a strongly influencial roll... at least according to Tasos' past interviews.

The Pve content in DF is going to be better than any other MMO, or so some nameless people have said....

Originally posted by mrmeloni

This thread is made of fail, FAIL, FAIL, FAIL!

If you don't like full loot then GTFO of Darkfall because even the devs don't want to listen to your whiney cry baby self.

If you dont like legit complaints, then GTFO of this forum, because nobody wants to listen to you complaining about other's complaining.

Originally posted by hidden1

ummmm you see the thing is... well most of the info that is out seems make Aventurine/Tasos to be pvp ganker themselves... I guess one might say that DF is a pvp mmo made by gankers for gankers in mind... just curious but have you read Tasos past interviews... it's made quite clear...  also seems DF is especially designed for pvp guild dominance... so DF should be epic pvp w/ massive battles in a grand scale... now it just needs to release and subscribers to fill the world w/ ganking playes, both solo artists and guildeez alike.
 

Your theory has merit, but it is still just a theory. The real issue is, even if this game does encourage or does not discourage griefers, how hard is to avoid griefers? Lets say Im ona quest, I get jumped by 5 griefers and they kill me and loot me. Since (at least thats the impression Ive got) the items im wearing are easily replacable, I dont worry about that. Now, what I worry about is how easy for me to move out of the area and continue doing my quest. Is it easy? Or am I stuck waiting for douchebags to leave the area so I can continue with my adventures?

You'd use send there...

I dislike the idea of full-loot, actually.  Take the bank thing, for example...you can attack anyone anywhere, including cities.  So, people are going to be attacking others at the banks.  But the guards will protect you...right?  Wrong.  What will REALLY end up happening is a small group of very skilled players will keep attacking anyone who come to the bank, while one person of to the side does nothing but loot dead bodies.  That way, you get to grief AND keep the loot.  THIS WILL HAPPEN.  And probably often...just look at EVE and gate camping.

heheh just like the Pre trammel UO whine.

If you dont want full corpse looting good thing there are 7 billion games out there taht are all alike with no full corpse looting.

DF will succeed becuase it takes the %$^%$^%$ training wheels off.  Getting ganked at a bank? Go to a different bank or find someone or a group of someones to protect you while you bank.

this game wil lbe dog eat dog ala UO  something some of these gamers havent experience becaues they werent born yet. If you dont like it go back to ___.

Originally posted by hidden1

Originally posted by alessiora

 Please let this game go. Let it fail so these stupid fans will stop arguing about idiot problems.

 

why don't you stop arguing w/ it's fanbase, it's fans don't bother anyone nor try to incite trolling or hate, like your post obviously does... we fans wouldn't argue if you guys would just scram and get a clue

just a point in fact...

for the past year, it's been nothing but DF-fanbois trolling nearly every forum of every game on tons of different sites.  what wold someone on a stargate worlds site care about df?  what would someone on co or sto care about df?  yet, darkfall fanbois believe that df is much better than those games and many others that aren't even fantasy genre.