A U.N. school used for shelter were intentionally bombed by the Israeli military killing atleast 40 civilians.The school were marked with U.N. flags and their locations had been reported to IDF.

Also 3 danish mobile hospitals marked with big red crosses were targeted and bombed aswell.

Majority of the people have no water, electricity or food, most stores and bakerys are closed.

The biggest hospital in Gaza city only have fuel for the generator for 5 more days, only half of the fuel donated by U.N. have been delivered since driving fuel trucks in Gaza is a great risk.

IDF forces are cutting of most aid that are trying to get in aswell.

Seems like IDF is considering that everyone can be Hamas and every structure and vehicle aswell.

The purpose of the invasion and bombing is to stop Hamas rocket fire, so far to no avail, 500 rockets launched by hamas killing 3 Israeli civilians. IDF have killed over 20 times more children and 7 times more women since december 27th. Just an objective comparison in casualties nothing else.

Seems like Olmert is just executing his last will before his mandate is over, a desperate attempt to resolve the Hamas problem, a very poor attempt.

Israel has lost their face in the eyes of the world no point for them to slow down now. Olmert has stated that this invasion won't end until Hamas can't launch anymore rockets.

Hamas is an evil and vile organisation exploiting and corupting their people, they can only be killed but not like this, how I don't know but I know for sure this will only benefit Hamas.

So do you guys think this will actually solve the crisis or escalate it?

In 2007, the IAF actually filmed some of these terrorists at the Gaza school, firing mortars into Israel. The media don't seem to care.

www.youtube.com/watch

RAFAH, Gaza Strip, May 5 (Reuters) - By day, Awad al-Qiq was a respected science teacher and headmaster at a United Nations school in the Gaza Strip. By night, Palestinian militants say, he built rockets for Islamic Jihad.

www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL05686115

Originally posted by Precusor

 don't seem to care.

Seems to be allot of that going around

wasnt there a thread about this before and it got a little too contriversal and happend to get deleted?

Originally posted by hvc801

wasnt there a thread about this before and it got a little too contriversal and happend to get deleted?

Why YES! Yes there was!  and YEs!  Yes it was!

But I don't trust a DAMN thing I read in AP or Rueters about Israel.  They are such frauds it's pathetic. I'll throw CNN in there too.  They report ONE side of the issue.  The LEFT side.

I think Newt Gingrich put it best on this situation.  If Conneticut fired 100 missiles into New York, would New York act with restraint?

Honestly, I wish there were another way, but when you have an organization that uses such places like shields, you really have no choice but to hit those targets or keep getting hit. Isreal is stuck between a rock and a hard place. The only difference is the hard place (the media) just hates them. The rock's (Hamas) goal is to outright kill them.

"Israel and many Western powers have struggled with how best to interact with a group that is at once labeled terrorist and, at the same time, is the legitimately elected leadership of the Palestinian National Authority."

 The people put Hamas in power let the people take them out if they would like consideration.

Originally posted by Cleffy

I think Newt Gingrich put it best on this situation.  If Conneticut fired 100 missiles into New York, would New York act with restraint?

QFT

the hamas have been firing missles into israel for over a year now, if that doesnt show some sort of restraint then i dunno what will.

I would also like to add that hamas broke the peace treaty and not israel. Hamas get no simpathy from me, but the palestinian civilians do. It is a shame that civilians have to die, but in modern warfare its almost impossible to have 0 civilian casualties.

As cruel as this sounds the Palestinians have gotten what they deserve for electing a terroist organization into office. How long would we tolerate it if Mexico started firing missles into the US? I'm thinking 2nd AD at Fort Hood Texas would be rolling by the lunchtime with orders to take Mexico. Israel has been more than tolerant of a pack of terrorists that do nothing but lob rockets at innocent civilians and hide behind more innocent civilians that where foolish enough to elect them. As usual the bulk of the liberal left media is supporting the terroists. Sad really.

For a different view point try http://www.jpost.com/   Turns out the terrosists were firing mortars from that  school. They even named them by name. What kind of coward hides behind children?

Originally posted by Precusor

In 2007, the IAF actually filmed some of these terrorists at the Gaza school, firing mortars into Israel. The media don't seem to care.

Perhaps Israel should go back through some of their 1967 films and select some more targets?

Originally posted by Cleffy

I think Newt Gingrich put it best on this situation.  If Conneticut fired 100 missiles into New York, would New York act with restraint?

Let's put it another way......

If Windsor fired 100 rockets into Detroit, would anybody care?

Originally posted by olddaddy

Originally posted by Cleffy

I think Newt Gingrich put it best on this situation.  If Conneticut fired 100 missiles into New York, would New York act with restraint?

 

Let's put it another way......

If Windsor fired 100 rockets into Detroit, would anybody care?

 

:P  You should have said Cleveland, then I'd be agreeing.

This is going to get out of hand again...basically all i want to say is, it's not like Israel has sat back and took it all, they fight back with more agression (usually small scale air strikes) and to be honest you can hardly call them rockets, they hardly ever kill people 4 people dead so far i believe out of how many...?

Originally posted by qazyman

Originally posted by Precusor

 don't seem to care.

 

Seems to be allot of that going around

Nobody seems to cares about hamas using human shields.

Originally posted by murdera2k6

This is going to get out of hand again...basically all i want to say is, it's not like Israel has sat back and took it all, they fight back with more agression (usually small scale air strikes) and to be honest you can hardly call them rockets, they hardly ever kill people 4 people dead so far i believe out of how many...?

 Not a threat?

Hamas Rockets Put Israel's Nuclear Facility in Battle Zone

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474824,00.html

Originally posted by osirisss

Originally posted by Precusor

In 2007, the IAF actually filmed some of these terrorists at the Gaza school, firing mortars into Israel. The media don't seem to care.

www.youtube.com/watch

 

RAFAH, Gaza Strip, May 5 (Reuters) - By day, Awad al-Qiq was a respected science teacher and headmaster at a United Nations school in the Gaza Strip. By night, Palestinian militants say, he built rockets for Islamic Jihad.

www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL05686115

 

And why are these rockets being fire into isreal? No one seems to mention the reason why this is happening and isreals blantant breaches of over a 100 un resolutions. Isreal needs to draw back to it`s 1967 boarders and stop building new settlements on land that does not belong to them.

Let me tell you what`s really going on..I am sorry to say this but the US has a lot to answer to as well..

Over the last half century, the US has used its Security Council veto many dozens of times to prevent any resolutions from passing condemning Israel for its abusive or hostile actions or that were inimical to Israeli interests. It's also voted against dozens of others overwhelmingly supported by the rest of the world in the UN General Assembly. By its actions and with 6% of the world's population, the US has thus arrogantly ignored the will of nearly all the other 94% to support its client state even when Israel had committed war crimes or crimes against humanity the rest of the world demanded it be held to account for. In the words of one UK observer using a baseball analogy: "Only the USA could have a World Series and not invite the rest of the world."

The Israeli record on UN resolutions over that same period is far worse. With full US support for its actions, it's flagrantly and with little or no pretense routinely ignored over five dozen UN Resolutions condemning or censuring it for its actions against the Palestinians or other Arab people, deploring it for committing them, or demanding, calling on or urging the Jewish state to end them. Israel never did or intends to up to the present, including the mass slaughter and destruction it's now inflicting on the people of  Palestine in their Territories that Israel illegally occupies and attacks whenever it wishes. It does so with impunity using any contrived pretext it can get away with to deny the Palestinians any chance ever for a viable sovereign independent state and to avoid a political solution with them it won't ever tolerate.

UN Resolutions As Examples of US and Israeli Hypocrisy

Consider now three UN Resolutions as examples of gross hypocrisy - one Israel and its US paymaster and benefactor support and two others both countries do not so they ignore them. In September, 2004, the Security Council passed UN Resolution 1559, cosponsored by the US and France, that called on Syria to withdraw its military forces from Lebanon and stop intervening in the Lebanese political process. It also demanded all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias (aimed mainly at Hezbollah, of course) disarm and disband (meaning surrender). Following the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister, Rafik Hariri, in February, 2005, Syria bowed to international pressure and complied fully with the resolution by April. In so doing, it ended its 29 year occupation of the part of the country it controlled which excluded the rest in the South under Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) control that Israel maintained after its invasion of Southern Lebanon in 1978 and again in 1982. Hezbollah's military resistance wing did not comply. Had it done so, it would have left itself and the Shia third of the Lebanese population dependent on it defenseless against the Israelis. The Lebanese government and its small and weak security forces had no power to force Hezbollah's compliance and were unable to do it.

All you hear from the US and Israel is that Hamas and Hezbollah are  when really both these groups were voted in by the people of they`re countries in front of UN observers and a legal process. The US and Israel did not like this and now the people who voted in Hamas are being punished.

I know "what about the rockets" well without Israel breaking these UN rules and building new settlements their would be no rockets.

Hezbollah was born out of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and the oppressive occupation that followed. It's a popular resistance movement, much like and in the same spirit as the French Resistance freedom fighters the Nazis called terrorists, formed to resist their illegal occupiers and expel them. Ever since, it's continued as an effective resistance force against the Israelis that finally withdrew from Lebanon in May, 2000 but maintained its occupation of the 25 square kilometer area of South Lebanon known as Shebaa Farms it never relinquished after seizing it in the 1967 war. Hezbollah, the Lebanese people and its government demand Israel give it back as well as cease its frequent hostile cross-border incursions, unjustifiable abductions, repeated violations of the country's airspace as well as end its current brutal assault and invasion of their country once again. To continue being an effective resistance force, Hezbollah remained armed, has every right to do so in its own self-defense whatever resolutions the UN passes, and will continue resisting Israeli oppression until it ends. It's now doing it against a vastly superior IDF invasion force in South Lebanon far more effectively than the Israeli government is willing to admit.

Now consider UN Resolutions 465 and 476. The Security Council unanimously adopted UN Resolution 465 in March, 1980 that addressed Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Syrian Golan Heights. Among other provisions in it, it condemned Israel's policy of "setting parts of its population and new Immigrants in those territories (and said doing so constituted) a flagrant violation of the fourth Geneva Convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in time of war and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East." It called on the government of Israel to "dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease....the establishment, construction and planning of (new) settlements in the Arab territories since 1967, including Jerusalem."

In the last 26 years, Israel has flagrantly violated this resolution and still continues to build new settlements illegally in the Palestinian Occupied Territories. The US supports and funds the Israeli government enabling it to do it, and the UN and world community have taken no action to bring Israel into compliance which it could do by imposing sanctions severe enough to force Israel to stop new settlement construction, dismantle the existing ones and make restitution to the Palestinians and Syrians for the harm caused them.

The Security Council also passed Resolution 476 in June, 1980. Like Resolution 465, it, too, reaffirms the necessity to end the Israeli occupation of Arab territories ongoing since the 1967 war. It went on to condemn Israel for its continued refusal to do it or to comply with the relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions demanding it does. It repeated provisions detailed in Resolution 465 and reaffirmed its determination in the event of Israeli non-compliance to examine practical ways to get it to do so. Israel never complied, and the UN never took action to see that it did. Also, by its reinvasion of Lebanon in 2004  and its unending occupation of the Shebaa Farms area it's held since 1967, Israel is also in violation of UN resolution 425 and nine additional ones demanding the withdrawal of its forces from South Lebanon. The net effect of UN action - many relevant and high-sounding words and speeches amounting to nothing, at least when it concerns Israel.

The message is clear. When it comes to the UN, the US runs the show, and no substantive or significant action can be taken with teeth unless it approves - especially when it applies to Israel, in part, because of the power of the Israeli lobby in the US. Also, all actions of a valued US client state are quite acceptable, even when they violate the UN Charter and international law, so long as they serve Washington's interests. Israel's illegal aggression in Lebanon and the Occupied Territories clearly do. In spite of it, the US, as de facto ruler of the world, has given the Israelis carte blanche to run amuck and commit the supreme war crime with impunity. In the kind of world Orwell understood, Israel's mass killing and destruction is in the US's imperial interest, especially in the strategically important Middle East where oil is central to all else, so its scorched-earth policy is quite acceptable and may go on unabated and end only when the two allies decide to stop it. It doesn't matter what the law is or that the innocent are paying the supreme price for its violation.

So you see, nothing is going to change until the rest of the world stands up to america and say "enough is enough" ,Israels has to answer for the war crimes and the illegal occupation that is going on with or with Hamas firing rockets.

I kown many americans on here are going to say it`s not our fault, and you are right. These things have been going on long before many of you were born but let me sum it up for you. America has a big problem with mexican illegals, right? well let`s say them same illegals moved into your land taking more and more each day whilst being armed to the teeth by Russia? yes, think about it for a sec.

 

 

TheUS pushed them into giving the senai penisula back to Eygpt. Personaly I think we should just let them do what they want. Yes the people did elect who they wanted but then they went and e that power to attack Israel and use these schools and hospitals as cover to fire rockets from.

Also germany  tried to get Mexico to invade the US during WW1 before the US and well that pretty much helped push us over the line and then they went on a ass kicking spree.

Originally posted by osirisss

Originally posted by Precusor

In 2007, the IAF actually filmed some of these terrorists at the Gaza school, firing mortars into Israel. The media don't seem to care.

www.youtube.com/watch

 

RAFAH, Gaza Strip, May 5 (Reuters) - By day, Awad al-Qiq was a respected science teacher and headmaster at a United Nations school in the Gaza Strip. By night, Palestinian militants say, he built rockets for Islamic Jihad.

www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL05686115

 

And why are these rockets being fire into isreal? No one seems to mention the reason why this is happening and isreals blantant breaches of over a 100 un resolutions. Isreal needs to draw back to it`s 1967 boarders and stop building new settlements on land that does not belong to them.

Let me tell you what`s really going on..I am sorry to say this but the US has a lot to answer to as well..

Over the last half century, the US has used its Security Council veto many dozens of times to prevent any resolutions from passing condemning Israel for its abusive or hostile actions or that were inimical to Israeli interests. It's also voted against dozens of others overwhelmingly supported by the rest of the world in the UN General Assembly. By its actions and with 6% of the world's population, the US has thus arrogantly ignored the will of nearly all the other 94% to support its client state even when Israel had committed war crimes or crimes against humanity the rest of the world demanded it be held to account for. In the words of one UK observer using a baseball analogy: "Only the USA could have a World Series and not invite the rest of the world."

The Israeli record on UN resolutions over that same period is far worse. With full US support for its actions, it's flagrantly and with little or no pretense routinely ignored over five dozen UN Resolutions condemning or censuring it for its actions against the Palestinians or other Arab people, deploring it for committing them, or demanding, calling on or urging the Jewish state to end them. Israel never did or intends to up to the present, including the mass slaughter and destruction it's now inflicting on the people of  Palestine in their Territories that Israel illegally occupies and attacks whenever it wishes. It does so with impunity using any contrived pretext it can get away with to deny the Palestinians any chance ever for a viable sovereign independent state and to avoid a political solution with them it won't ever tolerate.

UN Resolutions As Examples of US and Israeli Hypocrisy

Consider now three UN Resolutions as examples of gross hypocrisy - one Israel and its US paymaster and benefactor support and two others both countries do not so they ignore them. In September, 2004, the Security Council passed UN Resolution 1559, cosponsored by the US and France, that called on Syria to withdraw its military forces from Lebanon and stop intervening in the Lebanese political process. It also demanded all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias (aimed mainly at Hezbollah, of course) disarm and disband (meaning surrender). Following the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister, Rafik Hariri, in February, 2005, Syria bowed to international pressure and complied fully with the resolution by April. In so doing, it ended its 29 year occupation of the part of the country it controlled which excluded the rest in the South under Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) control that Israel maintained after its invasion of Southern Lebanon in 1978 and again in 1982. Hezbollah's military resistance wing did not comply. Had it done so, it would have left itself and the Shia third of the Lebanese population dependent on it defenseless against the Israelis. The Lebanese government and its small and weak security forces had no power to force Hezbollah's compliance and were unable to do it.

All you hear from the US and Israel is that Hamas and Hezbollah are  when really both these groups were voted in by the people of they`re countries in front of UN observers and a legal process. The US and Israel did not like this and now the people who voted in Hamas are being punished.

I know "what about the rockets" well without Israel breaking these UN rules and building new settlements their would be no rockets.

Hezbollah was born out of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and the oppressive occupation that followed. It's a popular resistance movement, much like and in the same spirit as the French Resistance freedom fighters the Nazis called terrorists, formed to resist their illegal occupiers and expel them. Ever since, it's continued as an effective resistance force against the Israelis that finally withdrew from Lebanon in May, 2000 but maintained its occupation of the 25 square kilometer area of South Lebanon known as Shebaa Farms it never relinquished after seizing it in the 1967 war. Hezbollah, the Lebanese people and its government demand Israel give it back as well as cease its frequent hostile cross-border incursions, unjustifiable abductions, repeated violations of the country's airspace as well as end its current brutal assault and invasion of their country once again. To continue being an effective resistance force, Hezbollah remained armed, has every right to do so in its own self-defense whatever resolutions the UN passes, and will continue resisting Israeli oppression until it ends. It's now doing it against a vastly superior IDF invasion force in South Lebanon far more effectively than the Israeli government is willing to admit.

Now consider UN Resolutions 465 and 476. The Security Council unanimously adopted UN Resolution 465 in March, 1980 that addressed Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Syrian Golan Heights. Among other provisions in it, it condemned Israel's policy of "setting parts of its population and new Immigrants in those territories (and said doing so constituted) a flagrant violation of the fourth Geneva Convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in time of war and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East." It called on the government of Israel to "dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease....the establishment, construction and planning of (new) settlements in the Arab territories since 1967, including Jerusalem."

In the last 26 years, Israel has flagrantly violated this resolution and still continues to build new settlements illegally in the Palestinian Occupied Territories. The US supports and funds the Israeli government enabling it to do it, and the UN and world community have taken no action to bring Israel into compliance which it could do by imposing sanctions severe enough to force Israel to stop new settlement construction, dismantle the existing ones and make restitution to the Palestinians and Syrians for the harm caused them.

The Security Council also passed Resolution 476 in June, 1980. Like Resolution 465, it, too, reaffirms the necessity to end the Israeli occupation of Arab territories ongoing since the 1967 war. It went on to condemn Israel for its continued refusal to do it or to comply with the relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions demanding it does. It repeated provisions detailed in Resolution 465 and reaffirmed its determination in the event of Israeli non-compliance to examine practical ways to get it to do so. Israel never complied, and the UN never took action to see that it did. Also, by its reinvasion of Lebanon in 2004  and its unending occupation of the Shebaa Farms area it's held since 1967, Israel is also in violation of UN resolution 425 and nine additional ones demanding the withdrawal of its forces from South Lebanon. The net effect of UN action - many relevant and high-sounding words and speeches amounting to nothing, at least when it concerns Israel.

The message is clear. When it comes to the UN, the US runs the show, and no substantive or significant action can be taken with teeth unless it approves - especially when it applies to Israel, in part, because of the power of the Israeli lobby in the US. Also, all actions of a valued US client state are quite acceptable, even when they violate the UN Charter and international law, so long as they serve Washington's interests. Israel's illegal aggression in Lebanon and the Occupied Territories clearly do. In spite of it, the US, as de facto ruler of the world, has given the Israelis carte blanche to run amuck and commit the supreme war crime with impunity. In the kind of world Orwell understood, Israel's mass killing and destruction is in the US's imperial interest, especially in the strategically important Middle East where oil is central to all else, so its scorched-earth policy is quite acceptable and may go on unabated and end only when the two allies decide to stop it. It doesn't matter what the law is or that the innocent are paying the supreme price for its violation.

So you see, nothing is going to change until the rest of the world stands up to america and say "enough is enough" ,Israels has to answer for the war crimes and the illegal occupation that is going on with or with Hamas firing rockets.

I kown many americans on here are going to say it`s not our fault, and you are right. These things have been going on long before many of you were born but let me sum it up for you. America has a big problem with mexican illegals, right? well let`s say them same illegals moved into your land taking more and more each day whilst being armed to the teeth by Russia? yes, think about it for a sec.

 

 

That.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by murdera2k6

This is going to get out of hand again...basically all i want to say is, it's not like Israel has sat back and took it all, they fight back with more agression (usually small scale air strikes) and to be honest you can hardly call them rockets, they hardly ever kill people 4 people dead so far i believe out of how many...?

 Not a threat?

 

Hamas Rockets Put Israel's Nuclear Facility in Battle Zone

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474824,00.html

Wait tell a arrant missile hits the temple, then all hell will brake loose.
But yes Precusor,those missiles are getting vary close to that Nuke plant.and yes those mortor shell where coming from the school yard.Lets see if they open another front on the battle field.

Originally posted by IareEatBOAT

A U.N. school used for shelter were intentionally bombed by the Israeli military killing atleast 40 civilians.The school were marked with U.N. flags and their locations had been reported to IDF.

Also 3 danish mobile hospitals marked with big red crosses were targeted and bombed aswell.

Majority of the people have no water, electricity or food, most stores and bakerys are closed.

The biggest hospital in Gaza city only have fuel for the generator for 5 more days, only half of the fuel donated by U.N. have been delivered since driving fuel trucks in Gaza is a great risk.

IDF forces are cutting of most aid that are trying to get in aswell.

Seems like IDF is considering that everyone can be Hamas and every structure and vehicle aswell.

The purpose of the invasion and bombing is to stop Hamas rocket fire, so far to no avail, 500 rockets launched by hamas killing 3 Israeli civilians. IDF have killed over 20 times more children and 7 times more women since december 27th. Just an objective comparison in casualties nothing else.

Seems like Olmert is just executing his last will before his mandate is over, a desperate attempt to resolve the Hamas problem, a very poor attempt.

Israel has lost their face in the eyes of the world no point for them to slow down now. Olmert has stated that this invasion won't end until Hamas can't launch anymore rockets.

Hamas is an evil and vile organisation exploiting and corupting their people, they can only be killed but not like this, how I don't know but I know for sure this will only benefit Hamas.

So do you guys think this will actually solve the crisis or escalate it?

 

Just goes to show that Hamas should have never fired terror weapons into Israel.  Unfortunately Gaza is small and Hamas uses civilian population centers for military actions.  Additionally, Israel isn't using the highest military technology as compared to the US, so more civilian casualties will occur; and they do have less restraint as every soldier is important due to their small population.

If Hamas did care for its people, they would take measures to ensure their people's safty.  Actually, Hamas should have used the money of those rockets for more peaceful purporses or rebuilding the infrastructure.  Work to gain the trust of Israel, so that the security restrictions of Gaza can be lifted.

If the people of Gaza want peace, they must overthrow any militant government of their own and become a demilitarized zone.

Originally posted by osirisss
..

The message is clear. When it comes to the UN, the US runs the show, and no substantive or significant action can be taken with teeth unless it approves ...

...

That is the advantage of being the World's only Super Power when dealing with Power Politics.

But don't worry, in our lifetime I believe, China will become the next World's Police Officer.  While the US is protected by oceans, I wonder how well the rest of the world will fare with the Dragon's Power.

Originally posted by osirisss

Originally posted by Precusor

In 2007, the IAF actually filmed some of these terrorists at the Gaza school, firing mortars into Israel. The media don't seem to care.

www.youtube.com/watch

 

RAFAH, Gaza Strip, May 5 (Reuters) - By day, Awad al-Qiq was a respected science teacher and headmaster at a United Nations school in the Gaza Strip. By night, Palestinian militants say, he built rockets for Islamic Jihad.

www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL05686115

 

And why are these rockets being fire into isreal? No one seems to mention the reason why this is happening and isreals blantant breaches of over a 100 un resolutions. Isreal needs to draw back to it`s 1967 boarders and stop building new settlements on land that does not belong to them.

Let me tell you what`s really going on..I am sorry to say this but the US has a lot to answer to as well..

Over the last half century, the US has used its Security Council veto many dozens of times to prevent any resolutions from passing condemning Israel for its abusive or hostile actions or that were inimical to Israeli interests. It's also voted against dozens of others overwhelmingly supported by the rest of the world in the UN General Assembly. By its actions and with 6% of the world's population, the US has thus arrogantly ignored the will of nearly all the other 94% to support its client state even when Israel had committed war crimes or crimes against humanity the rest of the world demanded it be held to account for. In the words of one UK observer using a baseball analogy: "Only the USA could have a World Series and not invite the rest of the world."

The Israeli record on UN resolutions over that same period is far worse. With full US support for its actions, it's flagrantly and with little or no pretense routinely ignored over five dozen UN Resolutions condemning or censuring it for its actions against the Palestinians or other Arab people, deploring it for committing them, or demanding, calling on or urging the Jewish state to end them. Israel never did or intends to up to the present, including the mass slaughter and destruction it's now inflicting on the people of  Palestine in their Territories that Israel illegally occupies and attacks whenever it wishes. It does so with impunity using any contrived pretext it can get away with to deny the Palestinians any chance ever for a viable sovereign independent state and to avoid a political solution with them it won't ever tolerate.

UN Resolutions As Examples of US and Israeli Hypocrisy

Consider now three UN Resolutions as examples of gross hypocrisy - one Israel and its US paymaster and benefactor support and two others both countries do not so they ignore them. In September, 2004, the Security Council passed UN Resolution 1559, cosponsored by the US and France, that called on Syria to withdraw its military forces from Lebanon and stop intervening in the Lebanese political process. It also demanded all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias (aimed mainly at Hezbollah, of course) disarm and disband (meaning surrender). Following the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister, Rafik Hariri, in February, 2005, Syria bowed to international pressure and complied fully with the resolution by April. In so doing, it ended its 29 year occupation of the part of the country it controlled which excluded the rest in the South under Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) control that Israel maintained after its invasion of Southern Lebanon in 1978 and again in 1982. Hezbollah's military resistance wing did not comply. Had it done so, it would have left itself and the Shia third of the Lebanese population dependent on it defenseless against the Israelis. The Lebanese government and its small and weak security forces had no power to force Hezbollah's compliance and were unable to do it.

All you hear from the US and Israel is that Hamas and Hezbollah are  when really both these groups were voted in by the people of they`re countries in front of UN observers and a legal process. The US and Israel did not like this and now the people who voted in Hamas are being punished.

I know "what about the rockets" well without Israel breaking these UN rules and building new settlements their would be no rockets.

Hezbollah was born out of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and the oppressive occupation that followed. It's a popular resistance movement, much like and in the same spirit as the French Resistance freedom fighters the Nazis called terrorists, formed to resist their illegal occupiers and expel them. Ever since, it's continued as an effective resistance force against the Israelis that finally withdrew from Lebanon in May, 2000 but maintained its occupation of the 25 square kilometer area of South Lebanon known as Shebaa Farms it never relinquished after seizing it in the 1967 war. Hezbollah, the Lebanese people and its government demand Israel give it back as well as cease its frequent hostile cross-border incursions, unjustifiable abductions, repeated violations of the country's airspace as well as end its current brutal assault and invasion of their country once again. To continue being an effective resistance force, Hezbollah remained armed, has every right to do so in its own self-defense whatever resolutions the UN passes, and will continue resisting Israeli oppression until it ends. It's now doing it against a vastly superior IDF invasion force in South Lebanon far more effectively than the Israeli government is willing to admit.

Now consider UN Resolutions 465 and 476. The Security Council unanimously adopted UN Resolution 465 in March, 1980 that addressed Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Syrian Golan Heights. Among other provisions in it, it condemned Israel's policy of "setting parts of its population and new Immigrants in those territories (and said doing so constituted) a flagrant violation of the fourth Geneva Convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in time of war and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East." It called on the government of Israel to "dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease....the establishment, construction and planning of (new) settlements in the Arab territories since 1967, including Jerusalem."

In the last 26 years, Israel has flagrantly violated this resolution and still continues to build new settlements illegally in the Palestinian Occupied Territories. The US supports and funds the Israeli government enabling it to do it, and the UN and world community have taken no action to bring Israel into compliance which it could do by imposing sanctions severe enough to force Israel to stop new settlement construction, dismantle the existing ones and make restitution to the Palestinians and Syrians for the harm caused them.

The Security Council also passed Resolution 476 in June, 1980. Like Resolution 465, it, too, reaffirms the necessity to end the Israeli occupation of Arab territories ongoing since the 1967 war. It went on to condemn Israel for its continued refusal to do it or to comply with the relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions demanding it does. It repeated provisions detailed in Resolution 465 and reaffirmed its determination in the event of Israeli non-compliance to examine practical ways to get it to do so. Israel never complied, and the UN never took action to see that it did. Also, by its reinvasion of Lebanon in 2004  and its unending occupation of the Shebaa Farms area it's held since 1967, Israel is also in violation of UN resolution 425 and nine additional ones demanding the withdrawal of its forces from South Lebanon. The net effect of UN action - many relevant and high-sounding words and speeches amounting to nothing, at least when it concerns Israel.

The message is clear. When it comes to the UN, the US runs the show, and no substantive or significant action can be taken with teeth unless it approves - especially when it applies to Israel, in part, because of the power of the Israeli lobby in the US. Also, all actions of a valued US client state are quite acceptable, even when they violate the UN Charter and international law, so long as they serve Washington's interests. Israel's illegal aggression in Lebanon and the Occupied Territories clearly do. In spite of it, the US, as de facto ruler of the world, has given the Israelis carte blanche to run amuck and commit the supreme war crime with impunity. In the kind of world Orwell understood, Israel's mass killing and destruction is in the US's imperial interest, especially in the strategically important Middle East where oil is central to all else, so its scorched-earth policy is quite acceptable and may go on unabated and end only when the two allies decide to stop it. It doesn't matter what the law is or that the innocent are paying the supreme price for its violation.

So you see, nothing is going to change until the rest of the world stands up to america and say "enough is enough" ,Israels has to answer for the war crimes and the illegal occupation that is going on with or with Hamas firing rockets.

I kown many americans on here are going to say it`s not our fault, and you are right. These things have been going on long before many of you were born but let me sum it up for you. America has a big problem with mexican illegals, right? well let`s say them same illegals moved into your land taking more and more each day whilst being armed to the teeth by Russia? yes, think about it for a sec.

 

 

The thing is you people won't be happy until Israel gives it all back  packs up and goes back to being 2nd class citizens in Europe. If Europe hadn't tried to exterminate them sixty years ago they would probably still be there.

Israel has already given up land they conquered from an aggressor that  totaled many times the size of Israel in exchange for peace. Have they gotten it? No. If the world and the Arab people are so concerned about the fate of the Palestinians why haven't they let them move into their vast tracks of uninhabited land? (they haven't even offered up some crappy desert come on!) The Arabs just use the Palestinians as an excuse for hate that is all. They don't really care about the Palestinians.

Maybe when the Iranians start caring about U.N. resolutions perhaps we might too. For now they are nothing but worthless paper and hot air.

From Canada!

"Hamas's record is to use civilians -- the population and civilian infrastructure -- as shields and it would seem quite possible that this is yet another tragic instance," he said.

ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCATRE5057CF20090106

Pick of Hamas launching rockets from heavily populated areas.

I really don't see why is there so much to argue here. This is clasic war, there are no good guys, only bad guys.

Israel started an invasion years ago, it has ocupied lands, it has made wars with the surrounding countries, it has placed tanks, troops and misiles all over the place and it has mistreated muslims as europeans mistreated jews (as a poster said above me).

On the other side, the people that was already living there took arms and tried to fight the new ocupation.

Both have killed civilians.

Now, gaza has been cut off for some time now. The UN stoped aiding a month or so ago and sudenly Israel decided to go on a full attack. Israel is trying to destroy Gaza, there is no doubt about it.

It has launched missiles, droped bombs, and entered with tanks. There is no wonder it has targeted hospitals and other important infraestructure buildings. Israel wants gaza to be no more.

Maybe I'm wrong, it's hard to know what exactly is going on based on some sell out news stations, but as I see it Gaza was agonizing, and it has been agonizing for some time now, and Israel decided that this period of time, where US is entering a depression, and other countries are taking its place as "world leaders" to do some dirty work it wanted to do for some time.

In order for Israel to win their war, they have to kill the palestinians. In order for the palestinians to survive this war, they have to kill the israelies.

This war was completely obvious and it should have been to the jews that were smugled into Israel. I mean, it is kinda obvious that if you sudenly ocupy a land that is not yours and on top of that is already inhabited by other people, well it is to be expected for the indigenous people to defend themselves.

Hamas openly admits the use of human shields.

www.youtube.com/watch