OP, don't try to bring sanity to DF followers or you will become insane. Just accept and enjoy the absurdity, it's really fun!

Here is a perfect example of someone calling movie clips game play.

His topic was called GAMEPLAY videos !!!!!!! 

This is the only type of stuff the developers whant you to see ( how can people be fooled by this)

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Heres some Vids I found on youtube, Sorry if the've been posted, if they have....well then your getting them again :) It might be good for people who havent seen them :P I thought they were interesting.

Links are in red.

Vid 1 - Showing land combat ( including Magic ) which seems to be a siege.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJSm674ql5s&feature=related

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Vid 2 - Ships/Naval Combat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjFlUa_kJqQ&feature=related

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Vid 3 - Showing some landscapes and buildings, Some crafting, and you get a very quick sample of how banking apparently works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTwB9LXggGQ&feature=related

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Vid 4 - Ship attacking a port/harbor ( or whatever their called hehe )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGyXY-_-vaE&feature=related

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Vid 5 - An apparent ambush ( Archery )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQHik5M8Ol0&feature=related

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Vid 6 - Some pop-up construction of buildings and then land combat, Some mounted combat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXd9nzLnfw&feature=related
 

Good thread. I completely agree with OP.

Use your brains people and prepare to be disappointed on the 22nd. Your "perfect game" does not exist.

LOL @ the guy who said warhammer delievered everything they promised, if you would've followed warhammer from ithe day it was announced to when mythic got ahold of it you would know the game did a complete 180 and even mythic left out player cities and all the stuff they originally promised.

Originally posted by 7evenSteps

Originally posted by page

Vanguard,  Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Pirated of the Burning Sea and D&D Online all sucked very very bad at launch.  Vanguard and D&D took years to fix but now they have low populations. LOTRO and Warhammer gave all that was promised but was boring. 

 Hate to tell you this but all those games you just listed are on a completely different level than what Darkfall is going to end up being.

Darkfall is nothing more than a small indy amateur game..  Expect Irth Online, D&L etc..

I hate to tell you this. Although I'm keeping my expectations somewhat low so that I don't get disappointed like I did with Warhammer (although I'm still enjoying Age of Conan, even though it sucked at launch), just because it's being made by a "new" company that isn't a gargantuan giant like Blizzard, doesn't mean it can't succeed and have a high subscription rate.

Why is it that so many people have no faith in small companies, when many have and many will succeed in the future? From the looks of it (and from interviews done with people), the programmers at Adventurine are designing the game that "they" always have wanted to play and have been missing, similiarly how many of "us" on here have been waiting for one just like it.

Sure it may fail, sure they may be over promising things that eventually will not be in at launch. But just as likely they may succeed, and they may deliver on what they promise on. Don't hate on them just because they don't get millions of developmental dollars a month like Blizzard and other MMO companies out there.

Originally posted by Kasmos

Originally posted by 7evenSteps

Originally posted by page

Vanguard,  Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Pirated of the Burning Sea and D&D Online all sucked very very bad at launch.  Vanguard and D&D took years to fix but now they have low populations. LOTRO and Warhammer gave all that was promised but was boring. 

 Hate to tell you this but all those games you just listed are on a completely different level than what Darkfall is going to end up being.

Darkfall is nothing more than a small indy amateur game..  Expect Irth Online, D&L etc..

 

I hate to tell you this. Although I'm keeping my expectations somewhat low so that I don't get disappointed like I did with Warhammer (although I'm still enjoying Age of Conan, even though it sucked at launch), just because it's being made by a "new" company that isn't a gargantuan giant like Blizzard, doesn't mean it can't succeed and have a high subscription rate.

Why is it that so many people have no faith in small companies, when many have and many will succeed in the future? From the looks of it (and from interviews done with people), the programmers at Adventurine are designing the game that "they" always have wanted to play and have been missing, similiarly how many of "us" on here have been waiting for one just like it.

Sure it may fail, sure they may be over promising things that eventually will not be in at launch. But just as likely they may succeed, and they may deliver on what they promise on. Don't hate on them just because they don't get millions of developmental dollars a month like Blizzard and other MMO companies out there.

On thing is a small, new, serious company, with highly talented workers. And another is a bunch of amateurs. I tend to think Aventurine falls on the second category. Of course I might be wrong, but watching the videos... I don't se high talent anywhere.

Originally posted by finnishguy

Good thread. I completely agree with OP.

Use your brains people and prepare to be disappointed on the 22nd. Your "perfect game" does not exist.

Perfect game can exist  in subjective opinions but a decent game is what we all would also welcome and what we don't got since years ..

Give you an example the majority of SWG fans loved PRE/CU ..did those thought it is a perfect game ? i am sure no one did ..but as FACT the majority of SWG players loved the game ..It was not a perfect game ,but we loved it ...and we will revive it again btw ;)

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by finnishguy

Good thread. I completely agree with OP.

Use your brains people and prepare to be disappointed on the 22nd. Your "perfect game" does not exist.

 

Perfect game can exist  in subjective opinions but a decent game is what we all would also welcome and what we don't got since years ..

Give you an example the majority of SWG fans loved PRE/CU ..did those thought it is a perfect game ? i am sure no one did ..but as FACT the majority of SWG players loved the game ..It was not a perfect game ,but we loved it ...and we will revive it again btw ;)

yeah I have a problem w/ the word "perfect"... i'll take "decent" game over that as well and decent to me meaning ... good/fun gameplay and combat mechanics and good graphics

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Kasmos

Originally posted by 7evenSteps

Originally posted by page

Vanguard,  Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Pirated of the Burning Sea and D&D Online all sucked very very bad at launch.  Vanguard and D&D took years to fix but now they have low populations. LOTRO and Warhammer gave all that was promised but was boring. 

 Hate to tell you this but all those games you just listed are on a completely different level than what Darkfall is going to end up being.

Darkfall is nothing more than a small indy amateur game..  Expect Irth Online, D&L etc..

 

I hate to tell you this. Although I'm keeping my expectations somewhat low so that I don't get disappointed like I did with Warhammer (although I'm still enjoying Age of Conan, even though it sucked at launch), just because it's being made by a "new" company that isn't a gargantuan giant like Blizzard, doesn't mean it can't succeed and have a high subscription rate.

Why is it that so many people have no faith in small companies, when many have and many will succeed in the future? From the looks of it (and from interviews done with people), the programmers at Adventurine are designing the game that "they" always have wanted to play and have been missing, similiarly how many of "us" on here have been waiting for one just like it.

Sure it may fail, sure they may be over promising things that eventually will not be in at launch. But just as likely they may succeed, and they may deliver on what they promise on. Don't hate on them just because they don't get millions of developmental dollars a month like Blizzard and other MMO companies out there.

 

On thing is a small, new, serious company, with highly talented workers. And another is a bunch of amateurs. I tend to think Aventurine falls on the second category. Of course I might be wrong, but watching the videos... I don't se high talent anywhere.

Well from Gianna's reports and the posted beta quotes, I think they'd state otherwise. Of course, what your idea of "amateur" may be different then mine, but I find a company of only 30 developers to have done what those (who I mentioned previously) have stated to have done, seems far from amateur.

Now in terms of graphics, there's only so much you can do with so little money, and with the '08 screens they don't look nearly as bad as people seem to proclaim.

But again, I'm just as hestitant as you probably are with Darkfall, because it very well may fail. My biggest problem was simply with someone placing no hope at all or respect in a small company simply because they are that, small.

Originally posted by page

Vanguard,  Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Pirated of the Burning Sea and D&D Online all sucked very very bad at launch.  Vanguard and D&D took years to fix but now they have low populations. LOTRO and Warhammer gave all that was promised but was boring. 

Why am I stating old news ????.........BECAUSE YOU FORGOT !!!!

I'll say it again..........................................BECAUSE YOU FORGOT !!!!

For the life of me I can't understand you people.  MMO home pages and features on them have nothing to do with real time play....... FLUFF......I was saying this about pre-launch AGE of Conan until I was blue in the face, beta leaks were coming out of the wood work saying the game sucked.  But people continued to get sucked into a home page anyway !!

Two more things that  I don't understand :

1) People getting sucked into dev. photo's and movie clips thinking their real time play, when their just art work and movies "  Hay everyone did you see the new screen shots?  " click on them and it's water color painting's.

2) Game delays........Some people view game launch delays as GOOD they have more time to work on bugs. Well you don't know at what stage of development the game is in.  The game could be so far from development that they are just adding the houses !!!

Why MMO's announce games years in advance is a mystery to me.

Darkfall may or may not be good, but lets remember, remember, remember and don't put all your eggs in one basket and enjoy other games and the great out doors !

So you wanne say i should leave and play some others games untill its released lol, who are you to dictate what i should do i have np with following this game for years and if it comes ill buy it blind, not even know if it succeed.

We dont need your advice:P

Originally posted by Kasmos

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Kasmos

Originally posted by 7evenSteps

Originally posted by page

Vanguard,  Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Pirated of the Burning Sea and D&D Online all sucked very very bad at launch.  Vanguard and D&D took years to fix but now they have low populations. LOTRO and Warhammer gave all that was promised but was boring. 

 Hate to tell you this but all those games you just listed are on a completely different level than what Darkfall is going to end up being.

Darkfall is nothing more than a small indy amateur game..  Expect Irth Online, D&L etc..

 

I hate to tell you this. Although I'm keeping my expectations somewhat low so that I don't get disappointed like I did with Warhammer (although I'm still enjoying Age of Conan, even though it sucked at launch), just because it's being made by a "new" company that isn't a gargantuan giant like Blizzard, doesn't mean it can't succeed and have a high subscription rate.

Why is it that so many people have no faith in small companies, when many have and many will succeed in the future? From the looks of it (and from interviews done with people), the programmers at Adventurine are designing the game that "they" always have wanted to play and have been missing, similiarly how many of "us" on here have been waiting for one just like it.

Sure it may fail, sure they may be over promising things that eventually will not be in at launch. But just as likely they may succeed, and they may deliver on what they promise on. Don't hate on them just because they don't get millions of developmental dollars a month like Blizzard and other MMO companies out there.

 

On thing is a small, new, serious company, with highly talented workers. And another is a bunch of amateurs. I tend to think Aventurine falls on the second category. Of course I might be wrong, but watching the videos... I don't se high talent anywhere.

 

Well from Gianna's reports and the posted beta quotes, I think they'd state otherwise. Of course, what your idea of "amateur" may be different then mine, but I find a company of only 30 developers to have done what those (who I mentioned previously) have stated to have done, seems far from amateur.

Now in terms of graphics, there's only so much you can do with so little money, and with the '08 screens they don't look nearly as bad as people seem to proclaim.

But again, I'm just as hestitant as you probably are with Darkfall, because it very well may fail. My biggest problem was simply with someone placing no hope at all or respect in a small company simply because they are that, small.

I agree, and while I don't place all hope in Darkfall, I do hope, with its list of features its definatly worth checking into.

Out of total curiosity, Does anyone know how many developers Mythic had when they developed DAoC? ( I should know, I played it for 6 years ) 

Originally posted by altairzq 

On thing is a small, new, serious company, with highly talented workers. And another is a bunch of amateurs. I tend to think Aventurine falls on the second category. Of course I might be wrong, but watching the videos... I don't se high talent anywhere.

They did create the engine themselves though which in my eyes makes them a lot more professional than companies that use 3rd party engines.  It means that they must have employed people with a much higher level of skill / competance than a lot of their competitors.  I would imagine some other developers would not have the skillbase within the company to be able to do this and therefore it doesn't matter how good their initial concept is they are always going to be very limited by what the engine can do. 

No one has forgotten but there are certain universal truths that cannot be ignored.

1. Bush won't be President forever.

2. WOW wont be on top forever , it toppled EQ and they topped UO its just that simple, it's coming so get used to it.

So one of the new games if not DF or Spellborn  will take out WoW and of course Blizz will do like Sony and try to create the next WoW and fail terribly at it for 10 years cause everyone remembers what they did the last time.

WoW created the opportunity to beat them with lousy pvp Dev after the original lead Devs left.

Vanilla WoW wasn't bad at all now its a class balance nightmare.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by altairzq 

On thing is a small, new, serious company, with highly talented workers. And another is a bunch of amateurs. I tend to think Aventurine falls on the second category. Of course I might be wrong, but watching the videos... I don't se high talent anywhere.

 

They did create the engine themselves though which in my eyes makes them a lot more professional than companies that use 3rd party engines.  It means that they must have employed people with a much higher level of skill / competance than a lot of their competitors.  I would imagine some other developers would not have the skillbase within the company to be able to do this and therefore it doesn't matter how good their initial concept is they are always going to be very limited by what the engine can do. 

Well, making the engine is not an easy task. If they could hire such talented individuals, can anybody tell me why didn't they hire a good animator, knowing the HUGE impact this simple (compared to an engine) feature has?

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by altairzq 

On thing is a small, new, serious company, with highly talented workers. And another is a bunch of amateurs. I tend to think Aventurine falls on the second category. Of course I might be wrong, but watching the videos... I don't se high talent anywhere.

 

They did create the engine themselves though which in my eyes makes them a lot more professional than companies that use 3rd party engines.  It means that they must have employed people with a much higher level of skill / competance than a lot of their competitors.  I would imagine some other developers would not have the skillbase within the company to be able to do this and therefore it doesn't matter how good their initial concept is they are always going to be very limited by what the engine can do. 

 

Well, making the engine is not an easy task. If they could hire such talented individuals, can anybody tell me why didn't they hire a good animator, knowing the HUGE impact this simple (compared to an engine) feature has?

that doesn't sound positive (points eyes towards MO's unreal engine)

Originally posted by page

Vanguard,  Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Pirated of the Burning Sea and D&D Online all sucked very very bad at launch.  Vanguard and D&D took years to fix but now they have low populations. LOTRO and Warhammer gave all that was promised but was boring. 

Why am I stating old news ????.........BECAUSE YOU FORGOT !!!!

I'll say it again..........................................BECAUSE YOU FORGOT !!!!

For the life of me I can't understand you people.  MMO home pages and features on them have nothing to do with real time play....... FLUFF......I was saying this about pre-launch AGE of Conan until I was blue in the face, beta leaks were coming out of the wood work saying the game sucked.  But people continued to get sucked into a home page anyway !!

Two more things that  I don't understand :

1) People getting sucked into dev. photo's and movie clips thinking their real time play, when their just art work and movies "  Hay everyone did you see the new screen shots?  " click on them and it's water color painting's.

2) Game delays........Some people view game launch delays as GOOD they have more time to work on bugs. Well you don't know at what stage of development the game is in.  The game could be so far from development that they are just adding the houses !!!

Why MMO's announce games years in advance is a mystery to me.

Darkfall may or may not be good, but lets remember, remember, remember and don't put all your eggs in one basket and enjoy other games and the great out doors !

This post is just utter trash full of inconsistency, and lots of untrue assummptions very very laughable. There is nothing in this post that states anything useful, educational or even raises a discussion point.

Conclusion : TROLL

And by the way.

MMO's dont announce games the developing companies do.

Please see live gameplay at Athens Digital Week, very live gameplay.

Go learn something about the game before trash talking utter rubbish.

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by page

Vanguard,  Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Pirated of the Burning Sea and D&D Online all sucked very very bad at launch.  Vanguard and D&D took years to fix but now they have low populations. LOTRO and Warhammer gave all that was promised but was boring. 

Why am I stating old news ????.........BECAUSE YOU FORGOT !!!!

I'll say it again..........................................BECAUSE YOU FORGOT !!!!

For the life of me I can't understand you people.  MMO home pages and features on them have nothing to do with real time play....... FLUFF......I was saying this about pre-launch AGE of Conan until I was blue in the face, beta leaks were coming out of the wood work saying the game sucked.  But people continued to get sucked into a home page anyway !!

Two more things that  I don't understand :

1) People getting sucked into dev. photo's and movie clips thinking their real time play, when their just art work and movies "  Hay everyone did you see the new screen shots?  " click on them and it's water color painting's.

2) Game delays........Some people view game launch delays as GOOD they have more time to work on bugs. Well you don't know at what stage of development the game is in.  The game could be so far from development that they are just adding the houses !!!

Why MMO's announce games years in advance is a mystery to me.

Darkfall may or may not be good, but lets remember, remember, remember and don't put all your eggs in one basket and enjoy other games and the great out doors !

 

This post is just utter trash full of inconsistency, and lots of untrue assummptions very very laughable. There is nothing in this post that states anything useful, educational or even raises a discussion point.

Conclusion : TROLL

And by the way.

MMO's dont announce games the developing companies do.

Please see live gameplay at Athens Digital Week, very live gameplay.

Go learn something about the game before trash talking utter rubbish.

 

 

to quote you:  "There is nothing in this post that states anything useful, educational or even raises a discussion point."... so by your own definition what does that make you after such a response?
 

Originally posted by hidden1

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by altairzq 

On thing is a small, new, serious company, with highly talented workers. And another is a bunch of amateurs. I tend to think Aventurine falls on the second category. Of course I might be wrong, but watching the videos... I don't se high talent anywhere.

 

They did create the engine themselves though which in my eyes makes them a lot more professional than companies that use 3rd party engines.  It means that they must have employed people with a much higher level of skill / competance than a lot of their competitors.  I would imagine some other developers would not have the skillbase within the company to be able to do this and therefore it doesn't matter how good their initial concept is they are always going to be very limited by what the engine can do. 

 

Well, making the engine is not an easy task. If they could hire such talented individuals, can anybody tell me why didn't they hire a good animator, knowing the HUGE impact this simple (compared to an engine) feature has?

 

that doesn't sound positive (points eyes towards MO's unreal engine)

Lol I'll be surprised if MO doesn't crash with 50 people on screen let alone 200. I doubt the U3 is made for a gigantic seamless world with everyone having 10 hitboxes, but, if it releases in 2010, then maybe by then it will run on low on midrange computers, who knows

Yeah, and on animation, Aventurine hired the most f#cking stupid animator ever who doesn't have a clue about anatomy or physics. They look amateurish at best (as do the model designs...)

Originally posted by rageagainst

Originally posted by hidden1

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by altairzq 

On thing is a small, new, serious company, with highly talented workers. And another is a bunch of amateurs. I tend to think Aventurine falls on the second category. Of course I might be wrong, but watching the videos... I don't se high talent anywhere.

 

They did create the engine themselves though which in my eyes makes them a lot more professional than companies that use 3rd party engines.  It means that they must have employed people with a much higher level of skill / competance than a lot of their competitors.  I would imagine some other developers would not have the skillbase within the company to be able to do this and therefore it doesn't matter how good their initial concept is they are always going to be very limited by what the engine can do. 

 

Well, making the engine is not an easy task. If they could hire such talented individuals, can anybody tell me why didn't they hire a good animator, knowing the HUGE impact this simple (compared to an engine) feature has?

 

that doesn't sound positive (points eyes towards MO's unreal engine)

Lol I'll be surprised if MO doesn't crash with 50 people on screen let alone 200. I doubt the U3 is made for a gigantic seamless world with everyone having 10 hitboxes, but, if it releases in 2010, then maybe by then it will run on low on midrange computers, who knows

 

Yeah, and on animation, Aventurine hired the most f#cking stupid animator ever who doesn't have a clue about anatomy or physics. They look amateurish at best (as do the model designs...)

ouch that scary... didn't they do motion capture? or am i thinking about MO?
 

Originally posted by hidden1

ouch that scary... didn't they do motion capture? or am i thinking about MO?
 

I really hope they didn't motion capture in Darkfall.  People in the game walk like they have a pole up their ass...... it's quite bad.

Will the game crash ?  Will have to wait and see what REAL TIME play is like and the point of this topic is that we will never know until:

1) release

2) open beta

3) beta leaks

I'm by far a programmer, but from what I understand from reading topics on this site it's all in the coding from the devs ( I think )..... New company........ maybe new coding.

WoW, Lotro,D&D to name a few can run on most any computer. Games like Everquest 2, and Tabula Rasa are much harder on computers with not much reason for it.  Vanguard without much reason can't run on most anything. 

Still the point is we can't count on the devs to tell us, as with all game web sites you only get  FLUFF.  We need to learn from players.

Originally posted by page

Vanguard,  Age of Conan, Hellgate London, Pirated of the Burning Sea and D&D Online all sucked very very bad at launch.  Vanguard and D&D took years to fix but now they have low populations. LOTRO and Warhammer gave all that was promised but was boring. 

Why am I stating old news ????.........BECAUSE YOU FORGOT !!!!

I'll say it again..........................................BECAUSE YOU FORGOT !!!!

For the life of me I can't understand you people.  MMO home pages and features on them have nothing to do with real time play....... FLUFF......I was saying this about pre-launch AGE of Conan until I was blue in the face, beta leaks were coming out of the wood work saying the game sucked.  But people continued to get sucked into a home page anyway !!

Two more things that  I don't understand :

1) People getting sucked into dev. photo's and movie clips thinking their real time play, when their just art work and movies "  Hay everyone did you see the new screen shots?  " click on them and it's water color painting's.

2) Game delays........Some people view game launch delays as GOOD they have more time to work on bugs. Well you don't know at what stage of development the game is in.  The game could be so far from development that they are just adding the houses !!!

Why MMO's announce games years in advance is a mystery to me.

Darkfall may or may not be good, but lets remember, remember, remember and don't put all your eggs in one basket and enjoy other games and the great out doors !

The very fact that this game ISN'T being overhyped or pushed into my face, gives me a lot of hope to how well the game is. If it sucked, they'd hype is as much as possible to get as many box sales as they can.

They obviously don't care about that. They don't care about the WoW playerbase, they don't care about huge cinematic movies, they're just making their dream game, and when its ready we'll see it. 

My original post may come across a bit negative. However I'm not at all.

Darkfall did nothing wrong ever !!!

If they decide to take 10 years to make a game, thats OK with me.

If they don't keep us up to date, thats OK with me.

If their web site is full of fluff like every game, thats OK with me.

No beta leaks, I'm OK with that.

What I don't understand is how you people run with this, and that is why I would like to say REMEMBER ! as no one seems too................same old pre-launch crazy, thats if their is a launch at all.  That's up to the devs and I"M ok with that.

Originally posted by page

My original post may come across a bit negative. However I'm not at all.

Darkfall did nothing wrong ever !!!

If they decide to take 10 years to make a game, thats OK with me.

If they don't keep us up to date, thats OK with me.

If their web site is full of fluff like every game, thats OK with me.

No beta leaks, I'm OK with that.

What I don't understand is how you people run with this, and that is why I would like to say REMEMBER ! as no one seems too................same old pre-launch crazy, thats if their is a launch at all.  That's up to the devs and I"M ok with that.

Well, game's been in development for 5 years, and there have indeed been leaks...

but I will correct you once more. NO ONE is hyped about this game. In fact, the vast majority of people still somehow have deluded themselves into thinking its still vaporware. The rest, don't expect much. There ise a small group of hopefuls,  thats about it. 

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by page

My original post may come across a bit negative. However I'm not at all.

Darkfall did nothing wrong ever !!!

If they decide to take 10 years to make a game, thats OK with me.

If they don't keep us up to date, thats OK with me.

If their web site is full of fluff like every game, thats OK with me.

No beta leaks, I'm OK with that.

What I don't understand is how you people run with this, and that is why I would like to say REMEMBER ! as no one seems too................same old pre-launch crazy, thats if their is a launch at all.  That's up to the devs and I"M ok with that.

Well, game's been in development for 5 years, and there have indeed been leaks...

 

but I will correct you once more. NO ONE is hyped about this game. In fact, the vast majority of people still somehow have deluded themselves into thinking its still vaporware. The rest, don't expect much. There ise a small group of hopefuls,  thats about it. 

 

UO and sandbox fans are hyped about it, but they don't expect it to be a savior MMO bcause if you do that then you'll be dissappointed by any little thing that is wrong with the game.