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Rhoklaw
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Joined: 1/12/04
"Gilly? Did you just shoot me in the foot?"... "mmm...Ssawwy" |
For previous players of Vanguard, SOE has once again granted veterans a free month of gameplay. Starting today through the end of January, Vanguard is once again available for experimenting. So, I decided that I will take advantage of the situation and see how much the game has improved. Not saying I'll resubscribe, but who knows. I'm kinda bored of WoW and thought with The Agency in the works that I might give the Station Pass a try. Considering I'm already paying for 2 WoW accounts and 4 Eve accounts, it might be a better investment for my money. I'm not happy with what happened to SWG, but I do miss EQ, EQ2, Planetside and possibly Vanguard. So heres to a New Years Resolution! I forgive SOE till they screw up again!
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Originally posted by Rhoklaw
this isnt directed at you in the least ... but i think people need to get over the "SOE Screwed me" angst. I played SWG and I was PISSED when they NGE'd it but that didn't stop me from playing other SOE games. I played EQ2 for 4 years and think its the best MMO out there. When i tried vanguard I really thought it had some good ideas and was a well done game also. but yet they don't have the subscribers because "OMG SOE = the devil!" SOE does know how to make good games and they have had thier stupid decisions as well but that wont stop me from playing SOE games just the games they use those stupid ideas in (SWG). I also don't think the station cash thing is also anything evil as long as they keep it as items that are for decoration only. |
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Originally posted by Ravanos
this isnt directed at you in the least ... but i think people need to get over the "SOE Screwed me" angst. I played SWG and I was PISSED when they NGE'd it but that didn't stop me from playing other SOE games. I played EQ2 for 4 years and think its the best MMO out there. When i tried vanguard I really thought it had some good ideas and was a well done game also. but yet they don't have the subscribers because "OMG SOE = the devil!" SOE does know how to make good games and they have had thier stupid decisions as well but that wont stop me from playing SOE games just the games they use those stupid ideas in (SWG). I also don't think the station cash thing is also anything evil as long as they keep it as items that are for decoration only.
Sorry, SOE is one entitiy, I don't care if they only screwed me over in 1 game, I apply that to not only SOE, but Sony as a whole. They have proven time and time again that they won't think twice about screwing over their current player base in the hopes of attracting a new one, or just for the simple sake of trying to milk more money out of them(see latest RMT scam in EQ and EQ2). I'm glad you got over the NGE, but I will never, EVER buy another Sony product(whether that be a game, a TV, or a console) ever again. Screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me. Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic |
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Rhoklaw
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/12/04
"Gilly? Did you just shoot me in the foot?"... "mmm...Ssawwy" |
Originally posted by Abrahmm
Sorry, SOE is one entitiy, I don't care if they only screwed me over in 1 game, I apply that to not only SOE, but Sony as a whole. They have proven time and time again that they won't think twice about screwing over their current player base in the hopes of attracting a new one, or just for the simple sake of trying to milk more money out of them(see latest RMT scam in EQ and EQ2). I'm glad you got over the NGE, but I will never, EVER buy another Sony product(whether that be a game, a TV, or a console) ever again. Screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me.
Well, to be completely honest, SOE never really screwed ME over as I left SWG long before the CU / NGE upgrades. However, SOE has been a little sketchy from time to time, but nothing any more serious than other flakey companies like EA, NCSoft, Funcom and possibly Aventurine. SOE makes mistakes, everyone knows that and SWG was a huge one. Yet Ravanos is correct in saying SOE does make other quality products and games. If you let mistakes deter you from ever buying or paying for anything, I hate to think what you eat for dinner considering how many major food companies get caught with their pants down in substandard quality products. Does this also mean if the president of the USA makes a mistake, you should flee the country? Just food for thought.
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ssnautilus
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Joined: 5/05/05
EQ1/2 SWG MxO PS DDO AO WoW EVE CoH/V (P)EU SoR FFXI VG TR PotBS AoC CoS
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I have Station Access, and I have never regretted it. I have EQ1, EQ2, Planetside, MxO, SWG, VG, and PotBS. Soon there will be The Agency, DC Universe Online, and ofcourse FreeRealms (which is free anyway). Who cares about cash shops if I'm never going to buy anyway. I am just switch MMOs whenever I get bored with one type. Plus there are always a tonne of F2Ps to tinker with. VG has definitely vastly improved. I was in beta and loathed it. But now.. I see it as a substitute EQ3. LOTRo (Lifetime) + CO (Lifetime) + GW + DDO + TCoS = All fun! All free! All the time! :) |
Originally posted by Rhoklaw
Sorry, SOE is one entitiy, I don't care if they only screwed me over in 1 game, I apply that to not only SOE, but Sony as a whole. They have proven time and time again that they won't think twice about screwing over their current player base in the hopes of attracting a new one, or just for the simple sake of trying to milk more money out of them(see latest RMT scam in EQ and EQ2). I'm glad you got over the NGE, but I will never, EVER buy another Sony product(whether that be a game, a TV, or a console) ever again. Screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me.
Well, to be completely honest, SOE never really screwed ME over as I left SWG long before the CU / NGE upgrades. However, SOE has been a little sketchy from time to time, but nothing any more serious than other flakey companies like EA, NCSoft, Funcom and possibly Aventurine. SOE makes mistakes, everyone knows that and SWG was a huge one. Yet Ravanos is correct in saying SOE does make other quality products and games. If you let mistakes deter you from ever buying or paying for anything, I hate to think what you eat for dinner considering how many major food companies get caught with their pants down in substandard quality products. Does this also mean if the president of the USA makes a mistake, you should flee the country? Just food for thought.
There is a giant difference between a mistake and what SOE did to SWG. It was only a mistake(to them) because it didn't work out in their favor, not because they screwed over many loyal customers. It is perfectly normal to avoid a company you have had a bad experience with, and SOE is the last company I want to get my money, so I go else where for my entertainment needs, it's that simple. Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic |
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DrChicken
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Joined: 5/26/05
John Romero is about to make you his bitch... Suck it down. |
Originally posted by Abrahmm
Well, to be completely honest, SOE never really screwed ME over as I left SWG long before the CU / NGE upgrades. However, SOE has been a little sketchy from time to time, but nothing any more serious than other flakey companies like EA, NCSoft, Funcom and possibly Aventurine. SOE makes mistakes, everyone knows that and SWG was a huge one. Yet Ravanos is correct in saying SOE does make other quality products and games. If you let mistakes deter you from ever buying or paying for anything, I hate to think what you eat for dinner considering how many major food companies get caught with their pants down in substandard quality products. Does this also mean if the president of the USA makes a mistake, you should flee the country? Just food for thought.
There is a giant difference between a mistake and what SOE did to SWG. It was only a mistake(to them) because it didn't work out in their favor, not because they screwed over many loyal customers. It is perfectly normal to avoid a company you have had a bad experience with, and SOE is the last company I want to get my money, so I go else where for my entertainment needs, it's that simple.
Have you ever worked for a major company? The company as a whole generally is not responsible for what happens with a specific product, like SWG. You should be targetting the SOE dev team and the project department responsible for SWG, instead of blaming people (like the hard-working devs over at VG, who are making a hell of a go with what limited respources they have) who had absolutely nothing to do with the NGE, or the CU for that matter. You have to be pretty bonkers for thinking that Sony as a whole incubated SWG as a means to swindle you out of your money - bad decisions were simply made at the project development level, and the company oversight that was supposed to prevent that from happening was generally uneducated about the MMO culture/concept (ie Smedley). I feel sorry for the devs of other SOE games that have to put up with this hissy-fit malarchy.  |
Originally posted by Abrahmm
Well, to be completely honest, SOE never really screwed ME over as I left SWG long before the CU / NGE upgrades. However, SOE has been a little sketchy from time to time, but nothing any more serious than other flakey companies like EA, NCSoft, Funcom and possibly Aventurine. SOE makes mistakes, everyone knows that and SWG was a huge one. Yet Ravanos is correct in saying SOE does make other quality products and games. If you let mistakes deter you from ever buying or paying for anything, I hate to think what you eat for dinner considering how many major food companies get caught with their pants down in substandard quality products. Does this also mean if the president of the USA makes a mistake, you should flee the country? Just food for thought.
There is a giant difference between a mistake and what SOE did to SWG. It was only a mistake(to them) because it didn't work out in their favor, not because they screwed over many loyal customers. It is perfectly normal to avoid a company you have had a bad experience with, and SOE is the last company I want to get my money, so I go else where for my entertainment needs, it's that simple.
Yes that makes sense. I'll blame Cartoon Network for something that AOL doesm, because afterall they are owned by Time Warner company and I'll blame ABC for something ESPN does because they are both owned by Walt Disney. I'm sorry I understand you are frustrated with Star Wars Galaxy but to say you'll never purchase a Sony product is rediculous. Especially since they own alot more then you probably think like Columbia Pictures, Ubisoft, MGM, Legacy Recordings, Gracenote (which itunes is a customer of), Famous Music (which owns a number of record companies) as well as their own television, movie, and music production companies. So you probably have purchased a CD, played a game, watched a movie, or download a song which in turn ended up as cash in Sony's pocket one way or another.
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1 month free i wont say no thanks for the info :D |
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Hazmal
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Joined: 1/30/08
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Originally posted by Abrahmm
------------------ well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you? |
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Why does everyone think SOE is a reputable company outside of the SWG NGE fiasco? That one act was so horrible let it overshadows how this company is in every game they make. There is nothing to suggest they have changed their ways either. Turning a blind eye to that reality doesn't change the nature of this company.
Vanguard is their one decent shot at a good mmo that could compete in the market right now and they squander it away by starving the game of needed resources. This trial is nice, but far to little.
As for their other games, meh. If they were so great more people would be playing them.
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Originally posted by Daffid011
That says it all right there. NONE of SOE's games are very good, and they never really have been. In fact, virtually ALL of them have low ratings and bad overall reviews from both players and professional review sites. The whole station access thing is a scam to get people to pay more money for sub-par games. I'm not accepting the argument anymore that people should play what is fun for them, because I'm now of the opinion that most MMO players are too stupid to understand what makes a good MMO, because what people call "fun" today, they are hating tomorrow. What SOE did to SWG goes beyond unforgivable, and it involved a lot more people than just a small development department. That doesn't mean I won't purchase other products made by Sony, but it does mean that I'm going to avoid SOE games, at least as long as that Station Cash crap is available. To me, that was the last straw. And frankly, I'm not keen to purchase anything that comes out of LucasArts either. But that's another story about bad products using a popular franchise as a crutch. As for Vanguard, it's a game on life support with a very small subscription base and a token staff. Crtiticisms of the game's lucklustre diplomacy, combat, and crafting features were as true in 2007 as they are now. Everything in the game looks like shiny plastic, mobs behave strangely, are sparsely populated, and the threat indication system is... well... bizzarre to say the least. |
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Originally posted by Daedalus732 Cant you change that marked sentence? I get a bit sad when unknown pepole are calling me to stupid to understand my own good. Hope you are enjoying your game of pick like I enjoy VG at the moment. Explosions in the sky mofo! |
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Originally posted by astrob0y
That wasn't even a reference to Vanguard, but the people who hype a game to the extreme and then start hating it later. They are the people who are too stupid to understand what makes a good MMO. People think they don't want a harsh death system, then they complain the game is too easy. People think they need more and more content, then comaplain when the game becomes so content filled it becomes a linear theme park. People think that MMOs should be tailed to the casual player, and then everyone and their mother advnaces through the game at a lightning pace. The list could go on and on. |
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Well if Im bored i do silly things too, so... Crtiticisms of the game's lucklustre diplomacy, combat, and crafting features were as true in 2007 as they are now. Everything in the game looks like shiny plastic, mobs behave strangely, are sparsely populated, and the threat indication system is... well... bizzarre to say the least. Saying the same things over and over again wont change the fact that it is still: Wrong. |
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Originally posted by DrChicken
Well, to be completely honest, SOE never really screwed ME over as I left SWG long before the CU / NGE upgrades. However, SOE has been a little sketchy from time to time, but nothing any more serious than other flakey companies like EA, NCSoft, Funcom and possibly Aventurine. SOE makes mistakes, everyone knows that and SWG was a huge one. Yet Ravanos is correct in saying SOE does make other quality products and games. If you let mistakes deter you from ever buying or paying for anything, I hate to think what you eat for dinner considering how many major food companies get caught with their pants down in substandard quality products. Does this also mean if the president of the USA makes a mistake, you should flee the country? Just food for thought.
There is a giant difference between a mistake and what SOE did to SWG. It was only a mistake(to them) because it didn't work out in their favor, not because they screwed over many loyal customers. It is perfectly normal to avoid a company you have had a bad experience with, and SOE is the last company I want to get my money, so I go else where for my entertainment needs, it's that simple.
Have you ever worked for a major company? The company as a whole generally is not responsible for what happens with a specific product, like SWG. You should be targetting the SOE dev team and the project department responsible for SWG, instead of blaming people (like the hard-working devs over at VG, who are making a hell of a go with what limited respources they have) who had absolutely nothing to do with the NGE, or the CU for that matter. You have to be pretty bonkers for thinking that Sony as a whole incubated SWG as a means to swindle you out of your money - bad decisions were simply made at the project development level, and the company oversight that was supposed to prevent that from happening was generally uneducated about the MMO culture/concept (ie Smedley). I feel sorry for the devs of other SOE games that have to put up with this hissy-fit malarchy.
Your kidding right? Are you actually blaming the developers for the mess SWG turned into? I can guarentee you it wasn't the developers idea to throw away half their code and turn the game they worked so hard on into something completely different, that push came straight from the top when it was deemed SWG wasn't making enough money. ehh, as I read further I realize you have no idea what you are talking about at all. Especially when you claim that Smedley was "uneducated about the MMO culture/concept". Smed was a developer for original EQ, he knows exactly what MMOs are about, he was just greedy and wanted more money, and was willing to crap on his current customers to get it. Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic |
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DrChicken
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Joined: 5/26/05
John Romero is about to make you his bitch... Suck it down. |
Originally posted by Abrahmm
There is a giant difference between a mistake and what SOE did to SWG. It was only a mistake(to them) because it didn't work out in their favor, not because they screwed over many loyal customers. It is perfectly normal to avoid a company you have had a bad experience with, and SOE is the last company I want to get my money, so I go else where for my entertainment needs, it's that simple.
Have you ever worked for a major company? The company as a whole generally is not responsible for what happens with a specific product, like SWG. You should be targetting the SOE dev team and the project department responsible for SWG, instead of blaming people (like the hard-working devs over at VG, who are making a hell of a go with what limited respources they have) who had absolutely nothing to do with the NGE, or the CU for that matter. You have to be pretty bonkers for thinking that Sony as a whole incubated SWG as a means to swindle you out of your money - bad decisions were simply made at the project development level, and the company oversight that was supposed to prevent that from happening was generally uneducated about the MMO culture/concept (ie Smedley). I feel sorry for the devs of other SOE games that have to put up with this hissy-fit malarchy.
Your kidding right? Are you actually blaming the developers for the mess SWG turned into? I can guarentee you it wasn't the developers idea to throw away half their code and turn the game they worked so hard on into something completely different, that push came straight from the top when it was deemed SWG wasn't making enough money. ehh, as I read further I realize you have no idea what you are talking about at all. Especially when you claim that Smedley was "uneducated about the MMO culture/concept". Smed was a developer for original EQ, he knows exactly what MMOs are about, he was just greedy and wanted more money, and was willing to crap on his current customers to get it.
Well, if you even offered one iota of attention to what I had written, then you would know that I did not solely implicate the dev team, but also the corporate management associated with the SWG project under SOE. I don't see the higher ups on the corporate ladder producing their own code, so the dev team, whether you like it or not, is also responsible. Many members of the dev team even acknowledged that this was the path that they had intended to make with the original concept of SWG. I suppose you have always believed that time necessitates experience - this is usually not the case in the real world. If you shove an idiot into a room filled with PhD holders, do you believe that he will become competent in their subject material after any given period of time? Some people are born of preconceived notions... Besides, I normally don't blame a company for wanting to make more money - if you disagree with this concept, then you will probably be more at home in an economy other than a free market. Companies do no exist for the sole purpose of entertaining you, or providing you with services, these are merely byproducts of their desire to obtain profit - companies that are created for the sole purpose of positive externalities are generally government parastatals. Go join a commune if you cannot bear to see "greedy" companies that "want more money." The NGE was a logical result that was poorly implemented. If an MMO, after advertising and time on the market, continually suffers declining subs, then something is inherently wrong with the game itself. It was either the NGE or cancellation, and if you know anything about economics, withdrawing from a given market is not necessarily the best course of action when you are maintaining a respectable revenue. It is rather entertaining that you mention EQ, since many unpopular changes were forced onto it while under his charge. Sounds like a man who has been out of touch since day one, eh? Reading comprehension is a very uncommon gift these days, so it seems. |
Originally posted by Abrahmm
I think it is time to get a life. Most of the people that supposedly screwed you over have not even worked for SOE for years. |
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Originally posted by DrChicken
There is a giant difference between a mistake and what SOE did to SWG. It was only a mistake(to them) because it didn't work out in their favor, not because they screwed over many loyal customers. It is perfectly normal to avoid a company you have had a bad experience with, and SOE is the last company I want to get my money, so I go else where for my entertainment needs, it's that simple.
Have you ever worked for a major company? The company as a whole generally is not responsible for what happens with a specific product, like SWG. You should be targetting the SOE dev team and the project department responsible for SWG, instead of blaming people (like the hard-working devs over at VG, who are making a hell of a go with what limited respources they have) who had absolutely nothing to do with the NGE, or the CU for that matter. You have to be pretty bonkers for thinking that Sony as a whole incubated SWG as a means to swindle you out of your money - bad decisions were simply made at the project development level, and the company oversight that was supposed to prevent that from happening was generally uneducated about the MMO culture/concept (ie Smedley). I feel sorry for the devs of other SOE games that have to put up with this hissy-fit malarchy.
Your kidding right? Are you actually blaming the developers for the mess SWG turned into? I can guarentee you it wasn't the developers idea to throw away half their code and turn the game they worked so hard on into something completely different, that push came straight from the top when it was deemed SWG wasn't making enough money. ehh, as I read further I realize you have no idea what you are talking about at all. Especially when you claim that Smedley was "uneducated about the MMO culture/concept". Smed was a developer for original EQ, he knows exactly what MMOs are about, he was just greedy and wanted more money, and was willing to crap on his current customers to get it.
Well, if you even offered one iota of attention to what I had written, then you would know that I did not solely implicate the dev team, but also the corporate management associated with the SWG project under SOE. I understood you completely, when you said "You should be targetting the SOE dev team and the project department responsible for SWG", when you obviously lack the basic understanding that this decision didn't come from the devs or the project managers, this decision came from the top because they didn't think they were making enough money. Simple as that. I don't see the higher ups on the corporate ladder producing their own code, so the dev team, whether you like it or not, is also responsible. Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Blame the devs? They don't make decisions, they follow orders. A dev that says "this is a stupid idea, I'm not making it" is a dev looking for a new job. Many members of the dev team even acknowledged that this was the path that they had intended to make with the original concept of SWG. Ah, talk out your ass much? You couldn't make it any more obvious that you are simply making stuff up. The dev team that initially made the game was long gone by the time the NGE was made. Raph Koster even explicitly said that the NGE was a mistake, and Raph would NEVER have wanted the game to be what it is. But as I said before, you are clearly just making stuff up to try and prove your argument. I suppose you have always believed that time necessitates experience - this is usually not the case in the real world. If you shove an idiot into a room filled with PhD holders, do you believe that he will become competent in their subject material after any given period of time? Some people are born of preconceived notions... Besides, I normally don't blame a company for wanting to make more money - if you disagree with this concept, then you will probably be more at home in an economy other than a free market. Companies do no exist for the sole purpose of entertaining you, or providing you with services, these are merely byproducts of their desire to obtain profit - companies that are created for the sole purpose of positive externalities are generally government parastatals. Go join a commune if you cannot bear to see "greedy" companies that "want more money." The NGE was a logical result that was poorly implemented. If an MMO, after advertising and time on the market, continually suffers declining subs, then something is inherently wrong with the game itself. It was either the NGE or cancellation, and if you know anything about economics, withdrawing from a given market is not necessarily the best course of action when you are maintaining a respectable revenue. Lucky for SOE, now they can have their cake and eat it too! Beyond the mindless blabber you use to try and make yourself sound smarter, I'll just comment on the end. SWG was NEVER under the threat of being shut down. They HAD one of the healthiest populations in an MMO, with over 200k subscribers. Sure, they may have been bleeding off subs, but anyone with half a brain could see that was due to the lack of bug fixes and polish, not from game design. Their decision simply came down to greed. They were willing to crap on their current customers in an attempt to attract WoW's customers. It failed. Everyone knows its cheaper and easier to keep a current customer than attract a new one. Thats business 101. Had they spent the time fixing the current game instead of re-writing it over and over in an attempt to attract someone else to the game, it wouldn't be on the verge of, and I'll quote smedley, being "Sunsetted". It is rather entertaining that you mention EQ, since many unpopular changes were forced onto it while under his charge. Sounds like a man who has been out of touch since day one, eh? If he was out of touch since day one, he woudn't have made such a successful game to begin with. I believe Smed was once in touch with players and the community, but greed has since then taken over. Reading comprehension is a very uncommon gift these days, so it seems. But talking out your ass without the slightest clue on what your talking about is far to common.
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Originally posted by Laiina
I think it is time to get a life. Most of the people that supposedly screwed you over have not even worked for SOE for years.
Smedley is still running the show. I don't need to say anything else really. If you enjoy being beaten and lied to, and paying for it on top of that, well then just go right ahead and hand Mr. Smedley your money. I'll take my business elsewhere, thanks for your concern though. Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic |
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DrChicken
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Joined: 5/26/05
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Originally posted by Abrahmm
Smedley is still running the show. I don't need to say anything else really. If you enjoy being beaten and lied to, and paying for it on top of that, well then just go right ahead and hand Mr. Smedley your money. I'll take my business elsewhere, thanks for your concern though.
I'll leave you to your designs, then. This discussion is not very productive, especially when you, for some odd reason, believe that Smedley gets a bonus that is equivalent to how many people he "cons" with his games. Hell, the guy is just doing his job - how the %$!@ do you equate that with someone who is actively trying to take your money? Does SOE just hand over 100% of its profits to Smedley for a job well done? I don't think so. Christ, I think it is time to get a life. |
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Leodious
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Yes, yes exactly. For others saying this isn't the case, it does not matter if you have not personally been burned by Sony. I didn't like SWG from the very beginning, but that isn't the point. They are the epitome of a massive and corrupt organization. They really do not care how happy the players are. It is about money to them. As long as there are enough players to make the gold keep piling up, they are, as far as they are concerned, doing a bang up job. Like you say, they are more than willing to look for a new audience and give up the old if they believe they can squeeze a few more subscriptions or a few more dollars out of them. They are bad people, and they make bad games. Be wary. |
Originally posted by DrChicken
Smedley is still running the show. I don't need to say anything else really. If you enjoy being beaten and lied to, and paying for it on top of that, well then just go right ahead and hand Mr. Smedley your money. I'll take my business elsewhere, thanks for your concern though.
I'll leave you to your designs, then. This discussion is not very productive, especially when you, for some odd reason, believe that Smedley gets a bonus that is equivalent to how many people he "cons" with his games. Hell, the guy is just doing his job - how the %$!@ do you equate that with someone who is actively trying to take your money? Does SOE just hand over 100% of its profits to Smedley for a job well done? I don't think so. Christ, I think it is time to get a life. You aren't the brightest are you? You see, you are taking my comment "just go right ahead and hand Mr. Smedley your money" literally, while anyone that has common sense knows that you don't actually give your money to John Smedley, and you don't hand your money across the internet. It was a figure of speech, as in saying, "as long and Smedley is running the company, I won't pay them any money, because you never know when you are going to get bent over". Smedley is doing his job, and he is doing it very poorly. What used to a dominant force in the MMO market is now a place where games go to die. SOE used to have way more subscribers, with a lot fewer games, than they do now. So what does good ol' Johnny do when he is losing subs left and right and needs to make more money? I can tell you what he doesn't do, he doesn't improve the quality/content of his products. No, he introduces complete scams, in the form of trading card games and microtransactions(after he said he wouldn't) in order to squeeze a bit more money out of his customer base without actually making a better product. No no, you are right, they are a great company, Smedley is a great leader, and they have great games, and never screw anyone over. We should all play SOE games. But I think you should get a life, as you are sitting here arguing with someone about their choice to not buy a product from a certain company.
Sad and funny webpage on someones sig that you could read about SOE's lies. Enjoy Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic |
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DrChicken
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Joined: 5/26/05
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Originally posted by Abrahmm
I'll leave you to your designs, then. This discussion is not very productive, especially when you, for some odd reason, believe that Smedley gets a bonus that is equivalent to how many people he "cons" with his games. Hell, the guy is just doing his job - how the %$!@ do you equate that with someone who is actively trying to take your money? Does SOE just hand over 100% of its profits to Smedley for a job well done? I don't think so. Christ, I think it is time to get a life. You aren't the brightest are you? You see, you are taking my comment "just go right ahead and hand Mr. Smedley your money" literally, while anyone that has common sense knows that you don't actually give your money to John Smedley, and you don't hand your money across the internet. It was a figure of speech, as in saying, "as long and Smedley is running the company, I won't pay them any money, because you never know when you are going to get bent over". Smedley is doing his job, and he is doing it very poorly. What used to a dominant force in the MMO market is now a place where games go to die. SOE used to have way more subscribers, with a lot fewer games, than they do now. So what does good ol' Johnny do when he is losing subs left and right and needs to make more money? I can tell you what he doesn't do, he doesn't improve the quality/content of his products. No, he introduces complete scams, in the form of trading card games and microtransactions(after he said he wouldn't) in order to squeeze a bit more money out of his customer base without actually making a better product. No no, you are right, they are a great company, Smedley is a great leader, and they have great games, and never screw anyone over. We should all play SOE games. But I think you should get a life, as you are sitting here arguing with someone about their choice to not buy a product from a certain company.
Congratulations are in order, good sir. I now believe that you are a complete imbecile. Do you even realise that I was mocking your fixation on Smedley? Oh well, it doesn't matter. I just hope you know how satiably ironic it is for you to say this buffoonery of a contradiction: "But I think you should get a life, as you are sitting here arguing with someone about their choice to not buy a product from a certain company." I guess arguing is a one-sided activity nowadays? Well, I guess I shall leave you to stew in your muck of SOE-bashing revelry. |
Originally posted by DrChicken
I'll leave you to your designs, then. This discussion is not very productive, especially when you, for some odd reason, believe that Smedley gets a bonus that is equivalent to how many people he "cons" with his games. Hell, the guy is just doing his job - how the %$!@ do you equate that with someone who is actively trying to take your money? Does SOE just hand over 100% of its profits to Smedley for a job well done? I don't think so. Christ, I think it is time to get a life. You aren't the brightest are you? You see, you are taking my comment "just go right ahead and hand Mr. Smedley your money" literally, while anyone that has common sense knows that you don't actually give your money to John Smedley, and you don't hand your money across the internet. It was a figure of speech, as in saying, "as long and Smedley is running the company, I won't pay them any money, because you never know when you are going to get bent over". Smedley is doing his job, and he is doing it very poorly. What used to a dominant force in the MMO market is now a place where games go to die. SOE used to have way more subscribers, with a lot fewer games, than they do now. So what does good ol' Johnny do when he is losing subs left and right and needs to make more money? I can tell you what he doesn't do, he doesn't improve the quality/content of his products. No, he introduces complete scams, in the form of trading card games and microtransactions(after he said he wouldn't) in order to squeeze a bit more money out of his customer base without actually making a better product. No no, you are right, they are a great company, Smedley is a great leader, and they have great games, and never screw anyone over. We should all play SOE games. But I think you should get a life, as you are sitting here arguing with someone about their choice to not buy a product from a certain company.
Congratulations are in order, good sir. I now believe that you are a complete imbecile. Do you even realise that I was mocking your fixation on Smedley? Oh well, it doesn't matter. I just hope you know how satiably ironic it is for you to say this buffoonery of a contradiction: "But I think you should get a life, as you are sitting here arguing with someone about their choice to not buy a product from a certain company." I guess arguing is a one-sided activity nowadays? Well, I guess I shall leave you to stew in your muck of SOE-bashing revelry. When your argument falls to nothing more than personal attacks, it's time to realize you have nothing more of value to say. Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic |
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