Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

I give up!  One thing LOTRO has going for it is the rabid fan base. 

 

The only thing I will say is this.  Very few here have actually read my posts.  I have very little against LOTRO.  What I do have a problem with is Turbine and the way they treat their customer base.

I am out of here.  Good luck with your game.

eh you never wrote how Turbine treat their player base so how can we respond to that? What part did we miss to read??  No one said Turbine is perfect but compared to other MMO companies they seem to make a pretty good job.

Thanks for stopping by thou :)

I didnt mean to start and uproar :P  I was just asking. I loved the books and movies. But I am not trying to advocate pvp in anyway. I was just curious as if they were talking about it down the road. I guess not. I would have played it then, but if it ever came I was thinking it would have been like and RvR type game where you go to certain realms to battle. Not full out ganking in hobbit town. Although that would be a blast

:)    

Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

I give up!  One thing LOTRO has going for it is the rabid fan base. 

 

The only thing I will say is this.  Very few here have actually read my posts.  I have very little against LOTRO.  What I do have a problem with is Turbine and the way they treat their customer base.

I am out of here.  Good luck with your game.

I am positive i didn't miss read your post and i read them all. From what i got from them you are out to trash turbine no matter what. I was just pointing out all the good things they have done to counter your claim they were making a mistake with LOTRO. You offered your opinions and i offered my experience with the game. If that is rabid to you then so be it. But I will defend the game for what it is and that is a good game worth playing no matter who the developers are. From my expereince in the game i have been treated better than in other games. But then that is just my experience. And you can't hold this game to the way that turbine handled things in other games. But to me that is just a logical way of doing it and not everyone will see it the same way as i do.

Was fun discussing this with you and i hope you find a gaming company and a game that makes you happy.

I for one did not read all the posts, i stopped when it turned to a flame about skills and turbine and whatever. wasn't that much ontopic (yes yes balances, i know).

Anyways, someone asked me a question about playing evil chars like the regular chars... I, as a dedicated MPvP player (and I think I have alot of them on my side when I say this) would NEVER like to see LOTRO turn to a rabid all PvP gank feast camping Bree. LOTRO is a great PvE game and MoM expansion is just awsome. And that is should stay! But as many of long time creeps I feel the Moors a bit small sometime. And beleve it or not, it can be fun to do some PvE with your favorite creep to get some DP or money. But unless you do so when Turbine releases a new expansion, or playing odd hours you'll have a burgler stabing your back before you can say "Niice Hobitsesss". So some kind of Monster character only part would be fun :) But they have to come up with some more interesting missions then what they have now :P Just as I grow fond of my little Hobbit hunter or my Elf champion I really like my squishy spider and I think it would be fun to have a Monster character to develop from Hatchling to Den Mother or what you might call it. Yes here are things as Rank, but that is PvP and not the same as PvE development.
On the question about being able to just jump into PvP with a premade lvl 60. Yes it is great to be able to do so. And as I said earlier I tend to spend more time in the Ettenmoors as a creep then on my regular char. But sometimes I just want something more for my creep :)

Don't know if I made any sence but anyways. Hapy new year to you all :)

Originally posted by Spaceflower

I for one did not read all the posts, i stopped when it turned to a flame about skills and turbine and whatever. wasn't that much ontopic (yes yes balances, i know).

Anyways, someone asked me a question about playing evil chars like the regular chars... I, as a dedicated MPvP player (and I think I have alot of them on my side when I say this) would NEVER like to see LOTRO turn to a rabid all PvP gank feast camping Bree. LOTRO is a great PvE game and MoM expansion is just awsome. And that is should stay! But as many of long time creeps I feel the Moors a bit small sometime. And beleve it or not, it can be fun to do some PvE with your favorite creep to get some DP or money. But unless you do so when Turbine releases a new expansion, or playing odd hours you'll have a burgler stabing your back before you can say "Niice Hobitsesss". So some kind of Monster character only part would be fun :) But they have to come up with some more interesting missions then what they have now :P Just as I grow fond of my little Hobbit hunter or my Elf champion I really like my squishy spider and I think it would be fun to have a Monster character to develop from Hatchling to Den Mother or what you might call it. Yes here are things as Rank, but that is PvP and not the same as PvE development.
On the question about being able to just jump into PvP with a premade lvl 60. Yes it is great to be able to do so. And as I said earlier I tend to spend more time in the Ettenmoors as a creep then on my regular char. But sometimes I just want something more for my creep :)

Don't know if I made any sence but anyways. Hapy new year to you all :)

I agree with you. i been with LOTRO since it first came out and i have yet to be let down. It dose not let you play as the evil side due to breaking the lore. But they do allow you to play PVMP as one of the monsters but thats not good enough for 1/2 the ppl. As for the rabid fan base coment heh. Most of the players on the game are 18+ its a pritty mature comunity well on my server anyhow.So BEFOR you star flaming the game go play it for more then two minuts and give it a real chance. If not then go back to WoW where you can play both sides of the story.

I do agree that they could do something with the RvR aspect of incorporating some PvE for our dedicated creepside community however what I've been attempting to point out is the game is following the story line and will take time.   There really wasn't anywhere in Eriador to add this idea.   Moria -- potentially -- but the focus atm is on the dwarves retaking Moria and all the orc factions in MOria come from outside.    Obviously in Lothlorien atm there really isn't any room to have a genuine PvE area.

What they attempted to do with BK12 is give a dungeon in the moors that creeps or free peoples controled so that added some PvE for the creeps potentially however I don't think it was successful -- but again it was difficult with the content that they were adding.    Some could argue that Angmar presented opportunities for it but from my perspective once an evil RvR did some instanced things in Angmar where would they go?   There just isn't any mapspace of continuity atm -- and they'd have to dedicated almost an entire paid expansion to create something which would side track them from the game's original goal -- to follow behind the fellowship as they go through the story of the ring.

Now once the fellowship splits, new areas on the map come in, and we get closer to Mordor I think we'll have distinct opportunties for this -- I feel good RvR starting areas are Isengard and Morder and DG (I forget it's full name but it's was Sauron's lair at one point I believe -- although I"m not a strong scholar of the lore by any means).   These areas aren't in game -- yet -- but will be soon and maybe there will be opportunity for some great PvE for creepside.

In bk 14 they added some *session plays* that allowed you to play as an angmarim etc as you learned about Laerdan's story.     So they are incorporating this as much as they can I feel.

Again I'd be looking forward immensely to what is possible once the gap of Rohan, Isengard, DG, and other lands leading to Mordor are introduced.   I personally really want some kind of instanced PvP Helm's Deep that is triggered by PvE questing in Isengard as our creepside folks gain ranks and abilities in service to Saruman.

Another way to look at it is the story line for the free peoples has already taken us to have a visit with Gandalf in Bree, many visits with Aragorn starting in Bree and then in Rivendell, Radaghast the Brown in Ost Gorruth, and on to Elrond in Rivendell and now Galadriel in Lothlorien.   The top Creepside leader so far been presented to by knowledge is Mordrith and he's hardly on the same scale as the free peoples side -- even with Moria we are beating orc and nameless bosses that really are independent of the over all war going on -- we haven't encountered the guys who are running the war from the creepside perspective.    It's not that it's not possible but the focus has been on Free People's side but again opportunity will present itself -- get Saruman in to the game and then see what they can do!

So -- I think the real answer to this is not yet because atm it's lore breaking as I feel I just illustrated pretty well -- but I feel strongly and so do other very committed players that the future will present itself with very lore friendly ways of incorporating PvE story lines in to creepside that will not only enhance their game play but improve an already extremely fun PvMP system that is in game.

This thread has been beaten worse than any dead horse we've seen before, and yet the answer is quite simple ... well, beyond telling folks to go to another game that offers their PVP-fix that so desperately desire and wish to influence on others.

For those of you that apparently seem to subscribe onto a Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Game service and solo, despite there are many great single player fantasy RPG's out there already, and who want to have that desire to play an Orc and trash Hobbiton, I give you ..

Lord of the Rings: Conquest - http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=71410

"In this exciting, action strategy game, players fight on the side of both Good and Evil in all the biggest battles from The Lord of the Rings movies. The Battlefront format allows them to switch between characters at will, to suit the circumstance or their style, reliving – and even reinventing – the chaotic and engrossing conflicts from the films as they choose how best to tackle their objectives and defeat their enemies. In online multiplayer, gamers can choose to be Evil from the outset."

And if you pre-order you can even get yourself a miniature replica of the Witch-king's sword to help you feel all better inside.

Lord of the Rings ONLINE has PVP, renamed appropriately as PVMP which gives you the ability to play and increase the skills of the evil faction in Middle Earth.  If you feel that there are too many restraints to this, then Conquest is for you ... enjoy yourselves!

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Arndur

^^^^^

Why fight on the losing side? This game is meant to follow the good sides. Also it would be lore breaking to have orcs attacking any good city. You can be orcs in WAR and WoW(though I do disagree LOTROs are more bad ass)

 

Well There is a Lord of The Rings game coming out that lets you play the evil campaign. You kill Frodo before the rings goes in the lava, Sauron is restored and then you get to lay siege to and destroy the good cities ect.

The Tolkien family have not complained about this...

Lotr: Conquest is based on the movie license..

Lotr: Online is based on the book license...

So theres your answer :)

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Arndur

^^^^^

Why fight on the losing side? This game is meant to follow the good sides. Also it would be lore breaking to have orcs attacking any good city. You can be orcs in WAR and WoW(though I do disagree LOTROs are more bad ass)

 

Well There is a Lord of The Rings game coming out that lets you play the evil campaign. You kill Frodo before the rings goes in the lava, Sauron is restored and then you get to lay siege to and destroy the good cities ect.

The Tolkien family have not complained about this...

 

Lotr: Conquest is based on the movie license..

Lotr: Online is based on the book license...

So theres your answer :)

Movie or book whats the difference? In both the good side wins.

Originally posted by Darth_Pete

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Arndur

^^^^^

Why fight on the losing side? This game is meant to follow the good sides. Also it would be lore breaking to have orcs attacking any good city. You can be orcs in WAR and WoW(though I do disagree LOTROs are more bad ass)

 

Well There is a Lord of The Rings game coming out that lets you play the evil campaign. You kill Frodo before the rings goes in the lava, Sauron is restored and then you get to lay siege to and destroy the good cities ect.

The Tolkien family have not complained about this...

 

Lotr: Conquest is based on the movie license..

Lotr: Online is based on the book license...

So theres your answer :)

 

Movie or book whats the difference? In both the good side wins.

No, just what Arndur said. You can play with the evil side in lord of the rings: Conquest., and win. But i doubt they will add something like this in lotro :(

Originally posted by Darth_Pete

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Arndur

^^^^^

Why fight on the losing side? This game is meant to follow the good sides. Also it would be lore breaking to have orcs attacking any good city. You can be orcs in WAR and WoW(though I do disagree LOTROs are more bad ass)

 

Well There is a Lord of The Rings game coming out that lets you play the evil campaign. You kill Frodo before the rings goes in the lava, Sauron is restored and then you get to lay siege to and destroy the good cities ect.

The Tolkien family have not complained about this...

 

Lotr: Conquest is based on the movie license..

Lotr: Online is based on the book license...

So theres your answer :)

 

Movie or book whats the difference? In both the good side wins.

The difference is that different companies own the licenses... Turbine have the rights to the trilogy and The hobbitm, they are owned by Tolkien enterprises (not the Tolkien family). So they have to get aproval from them when making the game. The movie license is owned by New line cinema (I think) and they let EA do whatever they whant with the license.

The Tolkien family owns the rights to Silmarillion and the other eorks by Tolkien so no one gets to make games based on thoose licenses.

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Darth_Pete

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Arndur

^^^^^

Why fight on the losing side? This game is meant to follow the good sides. Also it would be lore breaking to have orcs attacking any good city. You can be orcs in WAR and WoW(though I do disagree LOTROs are more bad ass)

 

Well There is a Lord of The Rings game coming out that lets you play the evil campaign. You kill Frodo before the rings goes in the lava, Sauron is restored and then you get to lay siege to and destroy the good cities ect.

The Tolkien family have not complained about this...

 

Lotr: Conquest is based on the movie license..

Lotr: Online is based on the book license...

So theres your answer :)

 

Movie or book whats the difference? In both the good side wins.

 

The difference is that different companies own the licenses... Turbine have the rights to the trilogy and The hobbitm, they are owned by Tolkien enterprises (not the Tolkien family). So they have to get aproval from them when making the game. The movie license is owned by New line cinema (I think) and they let EA do whatever they whant with the license.

The Tolkien family owns the rights to Silmarillion and the other eorks by Tolkien so no one gets to make games based on thoose licenses.

Ok.

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by Arndur

^^^^^

Why fight on the losing side? This game is meant to follow the good sides. Also it would be lore breaking to have orcs attacking any good city. You can be orcs in WAR and WoW(though I do disagree LOTROs are more bad ass)

 

Well There is a Lord of The Rings game coming out that lets you play the evil campaign. You kill Frodo before the rings goes in the lava, Sauron is restored and then you get to lay siege to and destroy the good cities ect.

The Tolkien family have not complained about this...

 

Lotr: Conquest is based on the movie license..

Lotr: Online is based on the book license...

So theres your answer :)

 

This statement is plain silly, the movie is based on the book and in both the good guys win.

New Line Cinema don't own the Lord of The Rings IP they rent a license from the Tolkien group. It doesn't matter what New Line want, if they wanted to make drastic changes to a Tolkien based ovie for example it wouldn't happen unless the Tolkien group gave their approval.

Yea you are right... I just made all that up for fun..

 Oh no wait!

"Electronic Arts obtained the licenses for the three films, [...] Sierra Entertainment, having lost out on the film licenses, obtained the license to produce games based on the books (as opposed to the film trilogy) from Tolkien Enterprises instead, entitling them to use the story, but not material from the film."

"While Sierra Entertainment's access to the book rights prevented them from using material from the film, it permitted them to include elements of The Lord of the Rings which were not in the films. EA, on the other hand, were not permitted to do this, as they were only licensed to develop games based on the films, which left out elements of the original story or deviated in places"

Turbine later aquired the license to make a MMO from Vivendi (owner of Sierra and also Blizzard). They have the license to atleast 2014 with the option to 2017. (and then they have to renew the license again)

"A MMORPG by Turbine, Inc., entitled The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar and endorsed by Tolkien Enterprises was officially launched April 24, 2007. [...]The game is based on the books rather than the movie"

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth_in_video_games

and "The Lord of the Rings Conquest is the upcoming video game developed by Pandemic Studios and published by Electronic Arts. It is based on The Lord of the Rings film trilogy"

source: n.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_Conquest

EA have now the license for both the movies and the books but so far they havent used the book license. They proably have it just so no one else can make anymore Lotr games.

Hmm so I guess i was right afterall...