Can we get a woot for stupid people?  Lol, but seriously, this sounds just stupid.  IF it is a patent on  a way that NCSoft coded something... well, I'm not sure that's even possible.  I could be wroung though.  This is stupid and hopefully NCSoft will just steamroll these idiots.

I think the people replying to this thread are missing something...

ANYONE can be sued for ANYTHING.

It does not mean that they will win, though.

a guy bought a motorhome and crashed it while he was on the freeway to get his toast that was ready and he sued them and got money back and a new free motorhome cause it didnt say anywhere that it wouldint drive it self or that he didint have to sit down while on the road

Originally posted by Nathiuz

I think the people replying to this thread are missing something...

 

ANYONE can be sued for ANYTHING.

 

It does not mean that they will win, though.

Correct sir!

I could in fact file suit on you for your name, and on MMORPG for letting you use that name. I would never see my day in court, and the court would more then likely repremand me for filing, BUT I could file suit.

So this would be the patent that worlds.com are talking about preventing NCsoft infringing on?

patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser

So there not only sueing them but trying to prevent them from using the technology/software, in other words trying to make NCsoft shut down there games?

The infringement accusation does seem extreme. As previously stated, the patent age is too young to encompass the entirety of NCSoft's games. If the lawsuit covers any of the games, it might have precedence on Tablula Rasa. If NCSoft can prove that the system was implemented before the patent was made then the lawsuit could be thrown out. I think what World Inc. is trying to prove is that NCSoft knowing and willingly infringed the patent during the pending patent process. Either way, it should be interesting to see the outcome.

 This is just another blatant example of 'patent trolling'.

It is happening every day in USA. Your software patent laws are idiotic & these endless multimillion dollar law suits over nothig prove it.

Your politicians are allowing this to happen.

Lobby your politicians to get rid of or amend the stupid software patents laws or continue to watch endless millions & millions millions of your tax payer dollars getting pissed away by patent trolling.

Do you guys remember when the a company called SCO sued IBM for 'method's & concepts' of their IP supposedly in Linux. That cost IBM/REDHAT/Daimler Chrysler and many othersunbelievable amounts of money & IS STILL GOING ON!

Yes your legal system is broken.

You need to exercise you democratic freedom & kick you politicians who allowed this to happen. 

AV

thats it.. im going to file a patent for posting text on a website in a threaded form where people can create new threads and respond to existing threads.... I will be rich!!!

Seriously, wtf... why do these idiots even bother wasting time and money when they know they will lose. Too bad NcSoft couldnt countersue for Worlds.com wasting their time.

Originally posted by jsurette

The infringement accusation does seem extreme. As previously stated, the patent age is too young to encompass the entirety of NCSoft's games. If the lawsuit covers any of the games, it might have precedence on Tablula Rasa. If NCSoft can prove that the system was implemented before the patent was made then the lawsuit could be thrown out. I think what World Inc. is trying to prove is that NCSoft knowing and willingly infringed the patent during the pending patent process. Either way, it should be interesting to see the outcome.

From what i gathered from this piece of news is that worlds.com are more concerned about the " Scalable virtual world chat client-server system" patent that was taken out which was taken way back in  April 17, 2001.....

Originally posted by yllis

What we dont know is what 690 is specifically. For all we know 690 may be a specific programming that makes the globals system work.

I dont see how this is a lawsuit addressing chat, this is addressing the issue of patent 690.

You can't patent chat, but you can patent a program OF chat.

I suspect that NCsoft chat programming and world's programming is too close for comfort. When in contrast SOE and Blizzard wrote chat programming that is totally different.

Just my 2 cents.

Here is the 690  in question - patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser

It is so general it is pathic... yes, it is from Feb 20, 2007.   Mostly all MMO's use this as their way to communicate between "server" and "client"... I can't think how this got through the screening, can't be general like this.  The clerk must not been technical at all.

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Originally posted by ZDPhoenix
Ehh, it won't happen.
 
No matter how much I want to see NCSoft sued for all it's worth, it just won't happen.

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I have to ask: Why?

I think this is a completely ridiculous lawsuit, as it seems everyone else does. This is never going to happen. I can't believe they actually filed this.

 This is madness !

Seriously if they won, how many other games would this apply to ?

Hi all,

    One thing i see on the patent is the "file Date: " 1996. That was way before some  these games coming out. So I wonder if maybe there could be something here. It took the US government over 10 years to issue it. Your thoughts on this?

mech

"See you on the other side..."

Originally posted by tombear81

 This is madness !

Seriously if they won, how many other games would this apply to ?

See the quick gamelist tab at the top right of this page? All those games ...and them some lol :p

The Federal Courts have ruled against the use of Business Process Patents, with a case just recently on Oct 30th of this year.  Seeing that this claim is based on a technical method, and not of actual code, I believe the legal team for NCSoft would use the cases of the Business Process Patents for support.  The only difference of the two is that one is business and the other is technical.

Here is the news story and I think we can all agree that this case will be ruled in favor of NCSoft.

U.S. ruling may curb business method patents

WASHINGTON, Oct 30 (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court has rejected patenting a way to smooth energy costs in a closely watched decision that could narrow the scope of "business method" patents.

The case turned on whether an inventor can patent an abstract process, something that involves nothing more than thoughts, and was closely watched by software makers, Internet companies, investment houses and other businesses.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit ruled on Thursday that the patent application at issue was not tied to a machine and did not result in a transformation, both standards set by the U.S. Supreme Court for patentability.

www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN3026126020081030

Originally posted by HawkBlade

Originally posted by yllis

What we dont know is what 690 is specifically. For all we know 690 may be a specific programming that makes the globals system work.

I dont see how this is a lawsuit addressing chat, this is addressing the issue of patent 690.

You can't patent chat, but you can patent a program OF chat.

I suspect that NCsoft chat programming and world's programming is too close for comfort. When in contrast SOE and Blizzard wrote chat programming that is totally different.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Here is the 690  in question - patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser

It is so general it is pathic... yes, it is from Feb 20, 2007.   Mostly all MMO's use this as their way to communicate between "server" and "client"... I can't think how this got through the screening, can't be general like this.  The clerk must not been technical at all.

 

 

I read over the 690 and most of it made little sence without a whiteboard and the motivation to care enough to figure it out.
 

I am going to have to throw my worthless hat into the " too general to be a valid patent"

It appears to me to be a patent on a concept of chatting rather then an actual code issue.

I does seem they filed suit on NCsoft since thier chat is text bubbled and adjusted for distance? So NCsoft has 3-D relation chat with the user?

I dont get it.....

Originally posted by yllis

Originally posted by HawkBlade

Originally posted by yllis

What we dont know is what 690 is specifically. For all we know 690 may be a specific programming that makes the globals system work.

I dont see how this is a lawsuit addressing chat, this is addressing the issue of patent 690.

You can't patent chat, but you can patent a program OF chat.

I suspect that NCsoft chat programming and world's programming is too close for comfort. When in contrast SOE and Blizzard wrote chat programming that is totally different.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Here is the 690  in question - patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser

It is so general it is pathic... yes, it is from Feb 20, 2007.   Mostly all MMO's use this as their way to communicate between "server" and "client"... I can't think how this got through the screening, can't be general like this.  The clerk must not been technical at all.

 

 

I read over the 690 and most of it made little sence without a whiteboard and the motivation to care enough to figure it out.
 

I am going to have to throw my worthless hat into the " too general to be a valid patent"

It appears to me to be a patent on a concept of chatting rather then an actual code issue.

I does seem they filed suit on NCsoft since thier chat is text bubbled and adjusted for distance? So NCsoft has 3-D relation chat with the user?

I dont get it.....

More than likely, they chose NCSoft for the reason this reporter noted a few weeks ago:

"The usual procedure at this point is to line up the lawyers and demand money. Lots of money. Submarine patent enforcement strategy usually goes one of two ways. Either you basically hit a lot of people at once, hoping that a whole bunch of them will settle before any of the cases actually get to court, or you target an organization that is weak or has little in the way of cash reserves."

Well, you don't have to tell me that our legal system is messed up, but this is one of the most ridiculous cases I've heard of.

 Essentially, Worlds.com is claiming to have exclusive rights to creating virtual online worlds. That's like someone claiming to have exclusive rights to create a picture with paint on a canvas. Those patents should never have been issued to them in the first place. 

 If they were to win this case, they could hypothetically sue every other MMO company listed on this site. Sounds like they are just bitter about their "virtual world" not being able to compete with all the other ones out there these days, so they are lashing out at a more successful company. I hope they get laughed out of court.

Another stupid patent infringement lawsuit wasting time and money. Seriously these people need to get a real job. Claiming patent on scalable client-server infrastructure is just ridiculous. US federal trade laws needs to be updated to stop stupid suits like that.

Originally posted by Bountytaker

Originally posted by yllis

Originally posted by HawkBlade

Originally posted by yllis

What we dont know is what 690 is specifically. For all we know 690 may be a specific programming that makes the globals system work.

I dont see how this is a lawsuit addressing chat, this is addressing the issue of patent 690.

You can't patent chat, but you can patent a program OF chat.

I suspect that NCsoft chat programming and world's programming is too close for comfort. When in contrast SOE and Blizzard wrote chat programming that is totally different.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Here is the 690  in question - patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser

It is so general it is pathic... yes, it is from Feb 20, 2007.   Mostly all MMO's use this as their way to communicate between "server" and "client"... I can't think how this got through the screening, can't be general like this.  The clerk must not been technical at all.

 

 

I read over the 690 and most of it made little sence without a whiteboard and the motivation to care enough to figure it out.
 

I am going to have to throw my worthless hat into the " too general to be a valid patent"

It appears to me to be a patent on a concept of chatting rather then an actual code issue.

I does seem they filed suit on NCsoft since thier chat is text bubbled and adjusted for distance? So NCsoft has 3-D relation chat with the user?

I dont get it.....

 

More than likely, they chose NCSoft for the reason this reporter noted a few weeks ago:

"The usual procedure at this point is to line up the lawyers and demand money. Lots of money. Submarine patent enforcement strategy usually goes one of two ways. Either you basically hit a lot of people at once, hoping that a whole bunch of them will settle before any of the cases actually get to court, or you target an organization that is weak or has little in the way of cash reserves."

 

 

Oh, and, congrats to you, NCSoft.  You are now, officially, the wounded gazelle of the MMO world!  Avoid watering holes at all costs!

 

Check quarterly reports, NCsoft makes more money out of their games than the rest, excepting Blizzard, even if TR failed.

They could have picked funcom, which games make around 1/2 of what Lineage I makes, Mythic, which games make 1/2 of what Lineage II makes, or SoE, which MMORPGs together can maybe compete against aion numbers in its Korean release.

u guys if this just so happens to go through hypothetically, then Aion will either dissapear or be delayed.... nooooooo!!!!! i dont really care about those other ncsoft games i guess guild wars will be their 2nd biggest loss then lineage

or maybe these guys just decided to draw staws for which company to sue lol, ncsoft... probably not the best choice

Originally posted by Cursedsei

Originally posted by openedge1

You have got to be kidding? Well then, they might as well sue Blizzard, SOE, Turbine, Funcom or any company that ha "Enabling Users to Interact in a Virtual Space:

Stupid...

And I remember their software,,,enjoyed at that time...but dang...this is stupid

 

Why stop there?

Theres all the F2P MMOs, then sites like GaiaOnline and IMVU!

Hell!

Why dont we sue everyone who's even messed around with trying to make a 3D MMO?

I'm sure a bunch of private servers would be liable as well to this :P

why not?  ass clowns were prosecuting 12 year old girls for downloading songs and an old woman got a couple of million dollars for spilling hot coffee because she wasn't warned enough...

Worlds.com is jsut looking for an easy payout on a patent that is too broad.  Also there is the statue of limitations to consider here...Lineage has been out for 10 years...City of Heros close to that andn Guild Wars 3....why are they waiting till now to bring suit?  Sounds more like someone in Worlds.com's finances office got the idea to bring in more funds by suing NCSoft in hopes of a "settlement" and a piece of the pie.  They didnt go after Sony or Blizzard cause they know that those two would blow them outta the water legally..so they looked for a smaller company to go after.

This will be tied up for years and Worlds.com cannot afford litgation for that long.  Also, I worked for a patent lawyer and their patent ranks right up there with McDonalds trying to patent the sandwich maker a few months ago...its too broad and technically applies to all chat programs..not jus those in games.  Ths would be the equivilent of Huntz trying to patent tomatoe ketcup.

Originally posted by bjgladitsch

Ths would be the equivilent of Huntz trying to patent tomatoe ketcup.

Well said!