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From this quote of Tasos: "After PvP is concluded, one can fully loot his fallen opponent. You can take all the loot, mounts, boats, warhulks, cannons, equipment, even towns away from their owner". www.curse.com/articles/darkfall-en-news/372269.aspx
O.K. we've been hearing all along... Full Loot for the win! It's not a big deal because gear is cheap and easy to replace. o.k. sure... I'll buy that.
But a town? I don't think that anyone would say that a town would be cheap or easy to replace. Did I misunderstand something that Tasos said in that quote? How do you loot a town? Take a town over by warfare and siege... yeah, that makes sense. Looting it off the owner? Huh?
Looking for anyone that has an idea what he might mean by that... I'm not getting it at all. |
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Originally posted by xzyax
Maybe you just loot the deed that says you own that town? |
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I doubt he's talking about something like deeds to a town being looted off an owners body. I would think that he is saying when you kill the inhabitants you can take/"loot" their town.
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It is possible that he did mean a town can be looted from an owner but that is something we can't be sure of due to lack of information. All I can say is wait for Jan 22... heh. |
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Originally posted by Gold4754
Maybe you just loot the piece of paper that says you own that town? Yeah, that could be it I suppose. If you loot your opponents "piece of paper" town... then you kick them all out? Heh... then log-off your character with the "piece of paper" and then tell your guild to come in an guard you as escort to get to the bank. Viola... you've just gotten a new town! |
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Originally posted by Ebonix00
Considering that Tasos said... "...even towns away from their owner"
If he didn't mean the actual town with all it's buildings... then he said it in a very confusing manner. As he has stated it... it does mean the town itself.
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I remember that to destroy 1 building in a town it would be on a 24 hour basis, so if the town is large it would take a long time (days/weeks) to fully wipe it out.
I am sure you could take over a town but it would take a very long time and the owning clan will have plenty of time to regain it back with minimum losses.
This is a pvp full loot game, i'm sure the devs though this through before implementing features |
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Originally posted by xzyax
Considering that Tasos said... "...even towns away from their owner"
If he didn't mean the actual town with all it's buildings... then he said it in a very confusing manner. As he has stated it... it does mean the town itself.
Hmm... well whatever it is that allows someone to take my town I would put it in the bank >.>.
"Through full looting you can take everything off your defeated opponent. Nothing is safe except your starting items and the contents of you bank." www.curse.com/articles/darkfall-en-news/372269.aspx
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Originally posted by dark-merlin
I doubt this because in the 100% gameplay video when they were invading the town those towers were collapsing left and right. What you said cannot be true unless they recorded that scene over a few days or towers and walls don't follow the 24 hour rule. |
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Originally posted by Ebonix00
Hmm... well whatever it is that allows someone to take my town I would put it in the bank >.>.
"Through full looting you can take everything off your defeated opponent. Nothing is safe except your starting items and the contents of you bank." www.curse.com/articles/darkfall-en-news/372269.aspx
YES... I AGREE! Hopefully, that item will be allowed to be put in the Bank. That is a follow-up question that I wished they had asked. Can every item that can be looted be put into your Bank? Obviously there will be limitations on the amount of items a person can store... but hopefully, there will not be limitations on what kind of items can be stored there. If it can looted from your body... you should be able to place it in your Bank.
With Tasos' statement on the bigger War Ships taking weeks to build with many resources and many people... that would be another item that I'd be very cautious taking out of the Bank.
Obviously there WILL be some items that are going to hurt quite a bit if they are taken from you. It will be interesting to see how the current generation of MMO players adapts to this. |
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You conquer a player city through sieging ...he referred to the moment the fight is over and the city owner of the defeated city has fallen to the invaders ...AFTER the whole procedure ..declare attack..sieging...winning... -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- Everyone who logs into NGE destroys a bit of the SW Universe. No SWG Pre-Cu, No money to the $OE suckers , simple and fair. DON't agree to $OE 's EULA. They change the gameplay without respect your investement. "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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Originally posted by xzyax
No not looting take it over or destroy it:) |
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Originally posted by xzyax
Considering that Tasos said... "...even towns away from their owner"
If he didn't mean the actual town with all it's buildings... then he said it in a very confusing manner. As he has stated it... it does mean the town itself.
He means when you go on a adventure you put the whole town in your back pack with all npc's and when your killed the one who loot your corpse have a complete town with npc's to place somewhere save and live with his clan in it |
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Originally posted by Ebonix00
Either that or that vid was recording during a period of time where they had accelerated siege damage for the purposes of demonstration. AoC did the same thing to show off its 'sieging'. Though that was less gameplay and more canned scripted event.
On the subject of 'banking' deeds... if that was allowed then everyone would just bank them and never have to worry about losing any town buildings in the event of a siege. Kind of defeats the purpose of being able to capture them as described. If a building is constructed and usable it really shouldn't be bankable. The only time it should be bankable is when you have an unused deed. Will it be painful to lose, oh i bet. But isn't that why we want to play darkfall? Because it has some sting to it? Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence. |
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You can loot deeds to things
But you would have to be a reaaaaal idiot to be carrying a deed around and not have it in the bank |
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Originally posted by dark-merlin
I as far as I know that only applies if you are not at war with that particular group / guild. If a guild declares war on you, which you cannot refuse to accept, they can destroy all of your buildings. However their city also become vulnerable if they do this. There might be some kind time window you can set though to prevent 3am city demolition, have to wait and see. |
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NeroScuro
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You're reading too much into it. He just meant that everything is up for grabs - nothing you own is safe unless it's in a bank. Towns can be 'looted' from their owners, by sieging it and attacking the clan stone. There are no figurines that summon towns. |
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Blah blah blah blah blah.... cool feature seiging is but it's nothing.. new...
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Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Ahh... So, to protect his city then, all he needed to do was log-out? Got it.
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Originally posted by xzyax
Hmm... well whatever it is that allows someone to take my town I would put it in the bank >.>.
"Through full looting you can take everything off your defeated opponent. Nothing is safe except your starting items and the contents of you bank." www.curse.com/articles/darkfall-en-news/372269.aspx
YES... I AGREE! Hopefully, that item will be allowed to be put in the Bank. That is a follow-up question that I wished they had asked. Can every item that can be looted be put into your Bank? Obviously there will be limitations on the amount of items a person can store... but hopefully, there will not be limitations on what kind of items can be stored there. If it can looted from your body... you should be able to place it in your Bank.
With Tasos' statement on the bigger War Ships taking weeks to build with many resources and many people... that would be another item that I'd be very cautious taking out of the Bank.
Obviously there WILL be some items that are going to hurt quite a bit if they are taken from you. It will be interesting to see how the current generation of MMO players adapts to this.
They probably won't aside from the people actually playing Darkfall....Darkfall will probably only be a niche game, not a revolution in the industry. Thank God, it'll sit for the typical 18-24 month life-cycle all niche games seem to run, then it will close.
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Bigdavo
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I'm assuming he means the deed to a town. Perhaps a player must travel to the location where he wishes to place the town during which time he is vulnerable, once the deed is used up you gotta take the town ye olde fashioned way. Although a deed may only have a monetary value and the resources to build a town are entirely separate. O_o o_O |
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Briansho
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Originally posted by xzyax
Sounds ok to me. Real risk so people don't run to town and taunt others under guards protection. It is what it is. "Don't sweat it -- it's not real life. It's only ones and zeroes." Gene Spafford "A lot of hacking is playing with other people, you know, getting them to do strange things." |
Originally posted by Briansho
Sounds ok to me. Real risk so people don't run to town and taunt others under guards protection. It is what it is. Oh I don't disagree.
I mainly made this thread because some kept on saying that Full Loot PvP was no big deal because gear would be easy to replace. They were saying that it would only take you a little bit to get back up and running again. They were saying that you just go to your Bank and get your spare... and you are set.
Well... I think that Tasos' comments make it perfectly clear that there WILL be some items that get looted from you that WILL hurt. They will take a LONG, LONG, time to replace. There will indeed be a very nasty sting to loosing some items.
That was the point. Some items (Towns, Ships, Rare Dungeon loot, etc.) are going to be very, very, costly and will take a very long time with many people to accrue enough resources to build them or find them. IF those items get looted from you... IT WILL HURT... A LOT!
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You guys are reading to much into it. Read it abit more lightely and itll read that you can take town away from players but not by lootin, hes just declaring that any thing that is owned can be lost in general. Thats my guess made from some common sense. Its a bit strangely put since he start the talk with looting other players, but the most resonable outcome can only be that in the end hes broadening his perspective saying that not only can you lose whats on you, but your towns and boats to if you dont guard them.
Each to his own i guess, if there was a deed (that be stupid heh) the owners would put it in a bank, or if that wasnt an option give it to an alt that never logged in or very rarely logged in in places no enemies would be. If only the guildleader can have it, they will put the alt as guildleader in many occasions just to circumvent a stupid deed thing that will be lost the next time the leader dies. Similar things are being done in EvE for waaaay less reasons (comparing to a single card giving you a town item).
No, no common sense tells me Tasos is mentioning loosing cities to expand on the full loot theme. FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005. |
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Originally posted by maxstone YES... I AGREE! Hopefully, that item will be allowed to be put in the Bank. That is a follow-up question that I wished they had asked. Can every item that can be looted be put into your Bank? Obviously there will be limitations on the amount of items a person can store... but hopefully, there will not be limitations on what kind of items can be stored there. If it can looted from your body... you should be able to place it in your Bank.
With Tasos' statement on the bigger War Ships taking weeks to build with many resources and many people... that would be another item that I'd be very cautious taking out of the Bank.
Obviously there WILL be some items that are going to hurt quite a bit if they are taken from you. It will be interesting to see how the current generation of MMO players adapts to this.
They probably won't aside from the people actually playing Darkfall....Darkfall will probably only be a niche game, not a revolution in the industry. Thank God, it'll sit for the typical 18-24 month life-cycle all niche games seem to run, then it will close.
you my friend have no clue... EVE has only been running for 18-24 months and is going no where right? WRONG there are people who WANT this type of game... I've been dieing for a Fantasy based game like this... While I love EVE i'm not a SCI-FI person. I always said if a fantasy game came out i'd be gone.. This is it... There will be plenty of us who pay to play if the game holds up to its part of the deal. There is nothing wrong with what EVE has and absolutley nothing wrong with being a niche market and 200k subscribers... CCP is doing great, i'm sure if adventurine does what they say they are going to, they will make enough money to make themselves happy and their hopeful fans. |
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Originally posted by xzyax Oh I don't disagree.
I mainly made this thread because some kept on saying that Full Loot PvP was no big deal because gear would be easy to replace. They were saying that it would only take you a little bit to get back up and running again. They were saying that you just go to your Bank and get your spare... and you are set.
Well... I think that Tasos' comments make it perfectly clear that there WILL be some items that get looted from you that WILL hurt. They will take a LONG, LONG, time to replace. There will indeed be a very nasty sting to loosing some items.
That was the point. Some items (Towns, Ships, Rare Dungeon loot, etc.) are going to be very, very, costly and will take a very long time with many people to accrue enough resources to build them or find them. IF those items get looted from you... IT WILL HURT... A LOT!
Good, and it should hurt... otherwise whats the point of PvP... BRING IT ON! P.S. I play EVE and am very use to full loot pvp and find no other way to PvP worth my time. |
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