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12/24/08 6:04:31 AM#76
Originally posted by OpiumKing
It's not blind hatred. It's called common sense.
It's called bullshit. When you're complaining about something you don't understand, common sense doesn't apply. And I've seen many skeptics doing that.
@Arcken. When you're flinging feces, you'll attract comments most of the time. Start constructive criticism, no one can tell you anything. |
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12/24/08 4:20:39 PM#77
Originally posted by Dameonk The only problem with your statement is that the other MMO games that have only stress tested for a week have a lot of server/connection/lag issues. You also have to remember that is AFTER those games have been in closed beta for months if not a year or more. For example: WAR was in closed beta for over a year, Open beta for a few weeks. Then when the game was released the In-game mail system broke because of all of the people trying to use it. What makes Darkfall so special that something similar couldn't happen?
A week should be long enough to test all of that. Ask for people to use the mail system, use chat, use the things that stress servers, etc. Many people want DF to be successful and will gladly take a couple of minutes from beta time to go ahead and do that. Most of the arguments against no beta was that "oh, they wont stress the servers". I merely addressed that by saying it only takes a week or so, which it does. For mail, etc, we'll see.
And yes, I am aware my sig is outdated, but thats why I have it. I just roll that way. DARKFALL 09! Apparently 08 didn't make it :( Sorros of Forumfall. |
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Kyleran
 Jovian
Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
12/24/08 4:37:36 PM#78
Originally posted by pewtpewt
If they only give this game a week of open beta it isn't to "test" anything, but merely to confirm their belief that their testing was complete and thorough for every situation. They can't be expecting any major issues, as they've not left any time to resolve the defects before release. Of course, they could be using a 'fix-forward' stategy like most MMO's have done recently.
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12/30/08 7:15:54 AM#79
<This game is so perfect that it needs no BT no stress test no marketing
Amen . lol |
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12/30/08 7:20:49 AM#80
Originally posted by ougarit its in beta 700-1k in beta atm there will be apublic beta for the stress test. in a week or 2 press beta is first start of jan i think no it doesnt need marketing most anticpated game atm with out it why waist money they will market after release alil more |
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damian7
Apprentice Member
Joined: 4/20/06
why must i be nice to people that have no clue, are lying, or are just stupid? |
12/30/08 7:26:50 AM#81
Originally posted by vesavius
I actually understand why you guys ask this, honestly, but you know what? Having personally never sat at the helm of a MMORPG dev team, having personally never launched a game of this complexity, having very little idea personally of the technology Aventurine are using to test the server, having no hard facts as to how many are in beta already, and, assuming that Aventurine are more experienced and knowledgeable, and have a lot more to lose, then me in all this, I'm gonna trust them until I read the facts on the game and not worry too much about things not being 'right'.
Like I say, journalists will be in the game before your are, and they will report. NDA will be lifted for this, so testers will report. Noone is gonna take money off you before you read up on the game and make your own mind up based on a variety of sources. I'm not sure what dosent seem 'right', or why people are so worried about it not seeming 'right'. Noone is trying to sell you a pre-order or a pioneer account or whatever after all. You will see if it's 'right' in plenty of time, so no need for paranoia :P My point is that they don't need to let 10,000 people in to generate hype, when 1 does the job as well. They just need the journalists. Anyhow, this may just be the first of the competitions that will be happening, who knows? Like I say, the fact they are letting the press see the game is a great sign and shows the launch is real. This to me is brilliant news. I am gonna assume the Aventurine know the state of their game better then us right? ;)
really? you don't understand why people are saying this doesn't seem right? assuming you're not some random person working for tasosesos...
jan 22nd is three weeks from now. the open beta is going to be 1 person? there's a single competition for 1 spot? would this be one spot that we might see more mysterious copy/pastes from some internal board from where tasoeieio copies posts?
what doesn't seem right is it has felt like a bad joke for nearly a decade. <<< and no, that's not me saying it's taking way too long to make... it's me saying that information has been incredibly non existant, non updated, and just garbage/arrogant communication.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please? |
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12/30/08 1:39:24 PM#82
Originally posted by downtoearth its in beta 700-1k in beta atm there will be apublic beta for the stress test. in a week or 2 press beta is first start of jan i think no it doesnt need marketing most anticpated game atm with out it why waist money they will market after release alil more No offense, downtoearth, but in other posts the past few days you have said 500-700. You should have went to 600-800, or at least waited a week to jump to 700-1k. But anyway, we'll see in the coming month. |
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12/30/08 2:03:48 PM#83
Originally posted by pewtpewt Umm.... wouldn't a MONTH of PUBLIC OPEN Beta mean that it needed to start Dec. 22nd?
I know I've been busy with the Holiday's... but I didn't realize I'd missed the OPEN Beta announcement.... DANG IT!!! |
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12/30/08 2:32:22 PM#84
Originally posted by skankyrart No offense, downtoearth, but in other posts the past few days you have said 500-700. You should have went to 600-800, or at least waited a week to jump to 700-1k. But anyway, we'll see in the downtoearth updates on numbers in Beta Dec. 12th = 300-500 Dec. 18th = 500-700 Dec. 24th = 500-700 Dec. 27th = 500-700 Dec. 29th = around 700 Dec. 29th = 700-1000
... so there you go. As to the validity of his claims? Not sure. He says he has a friend or two in Beta. I believe him on that point. AS to the accuracy of the actual number in Beta? I'd say his friend is giving him a guess-timate. He believes his friends guess and it passing it along... so, take it for what it's worth.
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12/30/08 4:34:12 PM#85
Each server is designed to only host 10k players and since the game looks like it should of been released along with WoW (graphic wise) a complete open beta may not be needed to stress test the servers, but we'll see how it goes in Europe on the 22nd. I expect the game to be on crash loop for most peopel the first 2weeks.
Currently playing Rift |
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DarthRaiden
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/20/05
i make art, Forum Terrorist |
12/30/08 6:01:40 PM#86
Originally posted by xpiher Yea the server has limited space as you claim only 10k ..( LOL, haha) Thats why they don't allow more beta leaks (LOL) So you can't join the fun..its them not have to explicit say to you ... YOU HAVE TO STAY OUT OF OUR GAME (LOL, haha) believe it or not , its all about they donn't want YOU in...LOL..take it personal -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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12/30/08 6:07:46 PM#87
Originally posted by DarthRaiden Yea the server has limited space as you claim only 10k ..( LOL, haha) Thats why they don't allow more beta leaks (LOL) So you can't join the fun..its them not have to explicit say to you ... YOU HAVE TO STAY OUT OF OUR GAME (LOL, haha) believe it or not , its all about they donn't want YOU in...LOL..take it personal
Maybe you should think before you start typing. |
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DarthRaiden
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/20/05
i make art, Forum Terrorist |
12/30/08 6:17:46 PM#88
..right i had should ... 10k easy because all will storm the place on the launch day.. sorry..apologies -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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12/30/08 6:29:43 PM#89
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Maybe you should think before you start typing.
Why ?why do I Have to put the same thinking effort in my post as the guy i quoted.. Why should i put more then someone else ? to the contrary. I think its more clear for him if i use his level
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DarthRaiden
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/20/05
i make art, Forum Terrorist |
12/30/08 6:30:53 PM#90
Originally posted by Lork
Why ?why do I Have to put the same thinking effort in my post as the guy i quoted.. Why should i put more then someone else ? to the contrary. I think its more clear for him if i use his level
He/she actually knew how to put together a sentence.
sorry man..i have some beer i me..apologies about my language take it or don't read it (tho the sense must have been clear for you cause you had no problems to fill the blanks) -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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12/31/08 2:36:20 AM#91
Originally posted by xzyax No offense, downtoearth, but in other posts the past few days you have said 500-700. You should have went to 600-800, or at least waited a week to jump to 700-1k. But anyway, we'll see in the downtoearth updates on numbers in Beta Dec. 12th = 300-500 Dec. 18th = 500-700 Dec. 24th = 500-700 Dec. 27th = 500-700 Dec. 29th = around 700 Dec. 29th = 700-1000
... so there you go. As to the validity of his claims? Not sure. He says he has a friend or two in Beta. I believe him on that point. AS to the accuracy of the actual number in Beta? I'd say his friend is giving him a guess-timate. He believes his friends guess and it passing it along... so, take it for what it's worth.
Yup, I was mainly joking around. As to the validity of his claims - I have no idea. But I prefer not to dwell on or pass judgement on something I cannot prove or disprove. Although, if he wants to send me some concrete evidence and info about the game I'd be more than interested. |
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12/31/08 3:14:12 AM#92
Originally posted by downtoearth
You do understand the totally lack of logic or reasoning your statement contains don't you? Fact: Tasos has stated DF will be released on Jan the 22nd. Fact: Jan 22nd is 3 weeks away (21 days in Greece, check the nice big launch clock someone posted in another thread) So if both are facts then there is no way there will be "several weeks of public beta" as you and Tasos claimed especially considering there is no announcement yet of any open beta. (several meaning more then 2 weeks) Well at least not unless they plan to miss their Jan 22nd launch. So which is it, little to no open beta (Maybe a week at best, assuming they take a week here while its still the holidays to get their crap together and actually anounce things/prepare, and then another week for the Journalists to beta), or missed launch? I assume the math your using to get "several weeks" of open beta thats not even anounced yet, out of the next 3 weeks remaining before Launch is the same math your using to pull up your 700-1000 beta testers currently testing DF? Which even assuming 1000 beta testers is correct, and theres no facts supporting that it is other then your word. thats a scary small number to be testing a hugh MMO 3 weeks prior to launch. Please do tell me with it being 3 weeks to launch what exactly are they protecting with their NDA? I mean do you believe that somehow the 3 weeks between now and launch will mean the difference between some big evil MMO company swarming in and stealing all their secrets? I seriously don't understand the purpose of a NDA this close to launch other then to keep people from knowing how little testing DF is really getting or how buggy it might really be. I really would be interested in all the fans takes on Why a NDA at this point is needed. |
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12/31/08 3:28:47 AM#93
Originally posted by DarthRaiden Yea the server has limited space as you claim only 10k ..( LOL, haha) Thats why they don't allow more beta leaks (LOL) So you can't join the fun..its them not have to explicit say to you ... YOU HAVE TO STAY OUT OF OUR GAME (LOL, haha) believe it or not , its all about they donn't want YOU in...LOL..take it personal
Hehe small subscriber base for the win aye Darth? Guess it'll be funny when they can't support the server cost or do any expansions etc. due to the lack of subscribers. Does make one wonder why they bothered to have a huge world if they don't want many subscribers. Sure am glade everyone working at Aventurine is a Millionair or doesn't have any families to support that way Darkfall can continue to run at a loss with its small subscriber base. |
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12/31/08 3:34:42 AM#94
Originally posted by winter
Hehe small subscriber base for the win aye Darth? Guess it'll be funny when they can't support the server cost or do any expansions etc. due to the lack of subscribers. Does make one wonder why they bothered to have a huge world if they don't want many subscribers. Sure am glade everyone working at Aventurine is a Millionair or doesn't have any families to support that way Darkfall can continue to run at a loss with its small subscriber base. I seem to recall another game community notorious for the same elitist view of their game before it released, with statements of "We don't need you!" and "Go away, we don't want you lousy carebears!" and "We don't need a big community, we just need ourselves, the real OG gamers!" I believe the game was called "Vanguard:Saga of Heroes". As you can see, it turned out to be a smashing success. |
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12/31/08 3:47:01 AM#95
Originally posted by Zorvan
The difference though is that Vanguard was supposed to have hundreds of thousands of subscribers after release but it never met the goal it was supposed to aspire to. Edit: Plus it was a buggy mess of a game. Darkfall, on the other hand, was only supposed to have 1 server at launch. Which would equal roughly 50-60k subscribers. This would have been a success for Aventurine. Since it appears they will be opening up more than 1 server Just remember, success to the developers can mean something entirely different than success to the players. Honestly, a lot of the forum-goers think anything less than WoW numbers is a failure. To Winter: Reason for the NDA? There are only three reasons it would still be in effect at this point. "There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer." |
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Toimu
Novice Member
Joined: 10/14/04
Enigma:(be sure to buy the game first if you do not support piracy) |
12/31/08 4:34:17 AM#96
Originally posted by Dameonk ...
Where did you read that? Last I read was only one Euro server on 22Jan2009. ============================ Toimu: |
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12/31/08 4:43:15 AM#97
Originally posted by Toimu
Whoops slip of the finger. I meant to say, "Since it appears they will be opening up more than 1 server we will just have to wait and see how it goes." My fault. "There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer." |
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Gonna feel pretty lonely all out there by yourself Darth, ah but hell should make for less lag right and you can just imagine the 200 vs 200 battles with graphics better then AoC that you claim Darkfall will have. Darkfall community for the win "We don't want you in our game, you can't play in our game" 
