I am looking for an MMO with alot to offer.  Such as PVP that includes everyone, not just the hardcore players within the max level that grind hours for the best gear, something to do besides constant, mindless combat, pvp that requires a good amount of strategy, good replay value, a great community with people to group and hang out with, a game where it is fun at all levels, an immersive atmosphere and breadth and depth to keep me busy.  The thing that puts me off about Ryzom is that it has been dead, ressurected, dead again and ressurected again.

MMOs that I have tried/played loved: Pre-NGE SWG, City of Heroes/Villains, EVE Online, LOTRO, D&D:O

MMOs that I have tried/played and disliked/grew to dislike: WoW and EQ: Online Adventures (for the PS2) are the only ones that stands out in my mind.

I have tried and played many more MMOs than those listed above...

You like strategy ? Try Atlantica Online !!

Originally posted by Matutino

You like strategy ? Try Atlantica Online !!

Oh no.. not Atlantica again.. that game sucks big time.

Originally posted by Hellfire999

 I am looking for an MMO with alot to offer.  Such as PVP that includes everyone, not just the hardcore players within the max level that grind hours for the best gear, something to do besides constant, mindless combat, pvp that requires a good amount of strategy, good replay value, a great community with people to group and hang out with, a game where it is fun at all levels, an immersive atmosphere and breadth and depth to keep me busy.  The thing that puts me off about Ryzom is that it has been dead, ressurected, dead again and ressurected again.

 

MMOs that I have tried/played loved: Pre-NGE SWG, City of Heroes/Villains, EVE Online, LOTRO, D&D:O

MMOs that I have tried/played and disliked/grew to dislike: WoW and EQ: Online Adventures (for the PS2) are the only ones that stands out in my mind.

I have tried and played many more MMOs than those listed above...

I haven't played Ryzom, but I can tell you if you don't like WoW than neither AoC nor WAR will catch your interest either. I found both to be similarily shallow, lacking, and overall unfulfilling. Looks like your in the same boat as me, wait till next year when some good titles are supposed to come out.

I'll narrow it down for you

Age of Conan, or Warhammer.

Both are good games. If you really like strategy I would say Warhammer is a better bet for you.

I would see if you could get yourself a free trial from WAR, so you can see if it suits you without commiting to a box purchase. By your original post it sounds to me like it has several qualities that you are looking for.  I would suggest the same for AoC but I'm not sure if they have free trials. I think they make you pay a fee for downloading so I wouldn't quite call it free. Unless they have changed that.

 Thanks guys, any more opinions on AoC?

I would suggest Ryzom  before the other 2 failed games......if you dont want your hand held then play Ryzom

    At least Ryzom is free atm....If you dont like it you dont lose anything.......

Originally posted by Grunties

I would see if you could get yourself a free trial from WAR, so you can see if it suits you without commiting to a box purchase. By your original post it sounds to me like it has several qualities that you are looking for.  I would suggest the same for AoC but I'm not sure if they have free trials. I think they make you pay a fee for downloading so I wouldn't quite call it free. Unless they have changed that.

Yeah, the is a dumbass tax for anyone stupid enough to not legally download it with a torrent...

Anyways OP, both WAR and AoC should work fine for you if you have a good computer (if not get Guildwars).

WAR have nice and casual PvP, problem is that the PvE don't hold the same class if you are into that. WARs PvP is fairer than other games but the combat feels a bit slow to me.

AoC is more fast paced and the PvE is better. The PvP is ok, but you have to join a big guild and do some sieging for it to be really fun (you can do that on a PvE server too).

Both AoC and WAR feels thin content wise yet, AoC have patched in everything before 70 now but will still take 2 more months to get everything really complete. WAR havn't been out so long so when those 4 missing citys show up is hard to tell....

Both those games can be found for like 15 bucks now and they are really worth that.  Oh, yeah and AoCs graphics is miles from WAR, even though some of WARs art is really good.

Originally posted by firefly2003

I would suggest Ryzom  before the other 2 failed games......if you dont want your hand held then play Ryzom

Yeah Ryzom is a big success, right? They plan to charge monthly fees if they get enough players...

WAR plays exactly like WoW.

I'd try AoC for something different.

OP: If you'd like a WAR trial I can hook you up.

Disclaimer: Before my inbox gets spammed, I'm not giving these out to people with one post, only people who have actually contributed to the community.

I haven't played AoC or WAR, but I have heard rather negitive comments about both games. I have, however, played Ryzom. The game had amazing crafting and social outlets for people. Massive PvP gathering to fight over outposts - which were fun if you were able to join the elite squad of melees to rush/flank the opponents. However, the game is not for everyone. It does not hold your hand. There are no quests outside of the starter island (except little honor chore things). You define the game and its world.

Hopefully that helps.

Blessings,

Originally posted by Matutino

You like strategy ? Try Atlantica Online !!

Like he said, most of what you lookin for is in AO

i have play war and aoc... and my choice is aoc...that it ...i can't make a opinion for you..and if i make a opinion ,the people say fan or hateboy ..you like or not ...the best is trying both

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by firefly2003

I would suggest Ryzom  before the other 2 failed games......if you dont want your hand held then play Ryzom

 

Yeah Ryzom is a big success, right? They plan to charge monthly fees if they get enough players...

compared to gameplay and fun in aoc and war?

have you played ryzom?

Originally posted by pyrofreak

OP: If you'd like a WAR trial I can hook you up.

Disclaimer: Before my inbox gets spammed, I'm not giving these out to people with one post, only people who have actually contributed to the community.

Thanks for the offer,  I'd appreciate it if you could hook me up with one...

Originally posted by Hellfire999

 I am looking for an MMO with alot to offer.  Such as PVP that includes everyone, not just the hardcore players within the max level that grind hours for the best gear, something to do besides constant, mindless combat, pvp that requires a good amount of strategy, good replay value, a great community with people to group and hang out with, a game where it is fun at all levels, an immersive atmosphere and breadth and depth to keep me busy.  The thing that puts me off about Ryzom is that it has been dead, ressurected, dead again and ressurected again.

 

MMOs that I have tried/played loved: Pre-NGE SWG, City of Heroes/Villains, EVE Online, LOTRO, D&D:O

MMOs that I have tried/played and disliked/grew to dislike: WoW and EQ: Online Adventures (for the PS2) are the only ones that stands out in my mind.

I have tried and played many more MMOs than those listed above...

If you want the best rvr out atm try warhammer period. The people who trash it either havent played it or quit early or after the last two patches. It has the best rvr that I have played, I hear lineage 2 is nice if you dont mind the crazy grind.
 

War has declision detection, its just a great RvR experience. If you are looking for the best single one on one pvp its not the best option, nor is it for pve. But for massive realm vs realm battle I havent played on game that touches it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJPRX-nHFFI&feature=related

Originally posted by Matutino

You like strategy ? Try Atlantica Online !!

Lol funny one.

Anyway if you like pvp dont take aoc kauz you'll prolly ned up being ganked by pvping unless you have backup.

Ryzom has already closed its servers at least once, its doesnt have a bright future if it even has a future. And even though i never played war, all I hear from guild mates is that its a let down, the pvp is not exceptional and its a pvp game.