Originally posted by Burntvet

It is a fine line indeed between saying that SOE pays people to be 'viral marketeers", which I have to honestly say I have not seen any "proof" of, and SOE employees doing it.

However, several current (at the time) and former SOE employees were caught in the past doing this stuff and admitted that supervisory personel at SOE (albeit low level) encouraged them to do viral marketing, both in pushing their own products and trolling on the competition. (There was an old article at Gamespot about this, I think, I'll see if I can find it.)

So technically, SOE was paying these people as employees, who in turn engaged in viral marketing activities (and got caught doing it). Were they paid to do viral marketing? Technically not.

 

sony has been caught doing this lots of times. i dont think it is true in this case though. every time soe pushes some horrid publish out and more quit a few misguided superfans try a little free damage control. its quite funny to see people wasting time on free pr when the company running the game obviously doesn't care about it themselves.

Originally posted by suske

sony has been caught doing this lots of times. i dont think it is true in this case though. every time soe pushes some horrid publish out and more quit a few misguided superfans try a little free damage control. its quite funny to see people wasting time on free pr when the company running the game obviously doesn't care about it themselves.

I think the case is actually that SoE has improved SWG to the point that the game is selling itself.

In terms of marketing the game, I would assume that when Station Launcher is finally ready for release they will have a big advertising campaign to push the package.

As it stands, you can download the free launcher and have trial access to seven MMO's, five strategy games and three casual games with more on the way, then choose to sub individually or take the station access package.

It makes sense that they would focus money on selling all their games at once, rather than just EQ or SWG seperately.

The NGE game growing in subs?

<snicker>

The NGE game SELLING ITSELF?

<uncontrollable laughter>

Dude, if you honesty, really believe this...  GET HELP.  The damn servers were desolate even during the free vet trial.  They can't not have dropped even further since they ended.

There is nothing at all about the current game that will sell it to anyone.  The combat system is still broke.  You still lag into a slideshow (thanks to the broken too fast combat system) if you can get 20 people into a fight.  If you can FIND 20 people that is.  Instances and scavenger hunts are not what I consider content either, they are grinds.

If more people than ever were playing this turd they wouldn't be doing free transfers from half the servers which is the precursor to shitcanning them sometime next year, no matter WHAT SOE says...

Where is the expansion announcement?  SOE is sleazy enough to offer direct RMT and RMT via gambling (card game), you know they won't leave a nickel on the table if they can grab it.  If SWG had 100K subs you know it'd be getting at least one expansion a year. 

Sorry, but this is one case where repeating a lie often enough WILL NOT make it the truth.

Why is it that every time a fanboi sees 5-10 "new" or returned players (ignoring the 20-30 that probably left) they go out to the message boards screaming that sub levels are back to Pre-CU?

Originally posted by suske

Originally posted by Burntvet

It is a fine line indeed between saying that SOE pays people to be 'viral marketeers", which I have to honestly say I have not seen any "proof" of, and SOE employees doing it.

However, several current (at the time) and former SOE employees were caught in the past doing this stuff and admitted that supervisory personel at SOE (albeit low level) encouraged them to do viral marketing, both in pushing their own products and trolling on the competition. (There was an old article at Gamespot about this, I think, I'll see if I can find it.)

So technically, SOE was paying these people as employees, who in turn engaged in viral marketing activities (and got caught doing it). Were they paid to do viral marketing? Technically not.

 

 

sony has been caught doing this lots of times. i dont think it is true in this case though. every time soe pushes some horrid publish out and more quit a few misguided superfans try a little free damage control. its quite funny to see people wasting time on free pr when the company running the game obviously doesn't care about it themselves.

Yeah, and in the past Sony astroturfers at least got PAID.  In this case we have people silly enough to do it, for a thouroughly disreputable company, and for free!

Originally posted by salvaje

The door closes when the NGE dies.  Pure and simple.

I know I speak for a huge chunk of the pissed off former player community when I say that one of our prime goals is the END of the NGE.  Which means killing off the carcass of this game.

 

 

Nope, see you're doing it again, speaking on your own behalf and professing to speak for thousands. If that were really the case this and other forums would be awash with thousands of former players, but they aren't. The "huge chunk" of former players feelings on the NGE, SOE, LA and SWG in general can be summed up in one word, apathy. Hardly anyone has the time, the willingness or the vitriol that you have, you my friend are very much unique and you really have no facts to argue otherwise. So if it's not too much trouble, from here on in would you mind awfully just speaking on your own behalf, thank you very much.

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by suske

sony has been caught doing this lots of times. i dont think it is true in this case though. every time soe pushes some horrid publish out and more quit a few misguided superfans try a little free damage control. its quite funny to see people wasting time on free pr when the company running the game obviously doesn't care about it themselves.

 

I think the case is actually that SoE has improved SWG to the point that the game is selling itself.

In terms of marketing the game, I would assume that when Station Launcher is finally ready for release they will have a big advertising campaign to push the package.

As it stands, you can download the free launcher and have trial access to seven MMO's, five strategy games and three casual games with more on the way, then choose to sub individually or take the station access package.

It makes sense that they would focus money on selling all their games at once, rather than just EQ or SWG seperately.

Badger, you know I've always appreciated your detailed bug reports on the O-boards.  Regardless of other differences, you always brought real issues to everyone's attention with these. 

When you say that the game is selling itself, then I have to ask you to explain the following quote from the O-boards.  I'm copying and pasting it again (in part) here because it seems you must have overlooked it:

" Star Wars has some of the most rabid fans of any genre, sci-fi or otherwise,and fans of the series are world-wide, numbering in the hundreds of millions. SOE should think of them an an untapped financial resource and doing all they can to entice new players."

This is not the game selling itself.  This is  someone trying to motivate current players to become "an untapped financial resource doing all they can to entice new players."  If the game is selling itself, why this push for free marketters to "entice" new players?

Also, I remember very well Oraik's call to current players to come to these and other boards to market the game.  The game selling itself?  Apparently even Obraik didn't think so, and that speaks volumes.

Also, new players are sent over here before they get a sense of just how broken the game really is.  We see people coming that say, "I've been playing for 3 days and it's awesome!"  A week later, we read, "this game is broken and empty, I'm done with this p.o.s.."  We also read, "omg this game is great, " followed afterwards by, "omg  I just lost a hundreds bucks gambling for podracers!". 

Furthermore, the unsuspecting newbies that get sent over here have no idea how many times players have been lied to, strung along, and screwed over.  They're pushed into a hornets' nest of frustration, and then they're surprised and hurt by the reactions they get to their posts.  It's bloody sad.

If the game really is selling itself, how bout people stop pushing new players into the hornet's nest without any idea what they're talking about, or getting into?

How bout current players see other players as just that--players--instead of an untapped financial resource for SOE, which is sick as hell.

Originally posted by salvaje

Originally posted by suske

Originally posted by Burntvet

It is a fine line indeed between saying that SOE pays people to be 'viral marketeers", which I have to honestly say I have not seen any "proof" of, and SOE employees doing it.

However, several current (at the time) and former SOE employees were caught in the past doing this stuff and admitted that supervisory personel at SOE (albeit low level) encouraged them to do viral marketing, both in pushing their own products and trolling on the competition. (There was an old article at Gamespot about this, I think, I'll see if I can find it.)

So technically, SOE was paying these people as employees, who in turn engaged in viral marketing activities (and got caught doing it). Were they paid to do viral marketing? Technically not.

 

 

sony has been caught doing this lots of times. i dont think it is true in this case though. every time soe pushes some horrid publish out and more quit a few misguided superfans try a little free damage control. its quite funny to see people wasting time on free pr when the company running the game obviously doesn't care about it themselves.

Yeah, and in the past Sony astroturfers at least got PAID.  In this case we have people silly enough to do it, for a thouroughly disreputable company, and for free!

Judging from the link Obee provided, they're being lied to (surprise, surprise) and then manipulated out of fear of losing their investment of time and subscription money.  Sick.
 

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by salvaje

The door closes when the NGE dies.  Pure and simple.

I know I speak for a huge chunk of the pissed off former player community when I say that one of our prime goals is the END of the NGE.  Which means killing off the carcass of this game.

 

 

 

Nope, see you're doing it again, speaking on your own behalf and professing to speak for thousands. If that were really the case this and other forums would be awash with thousands of former players, but they aren't. The "huge chunk" of former players feelings on the NGE, SOE, LA and SWG in general can be summed up in one word, apathy. Hardly anyone has the time, the willingness or the vitriol that you have, you my friend are very much unique and you really have no facts to argue otherwise. So if it's not too much trouble, from here on in would you mind awfully just speaking on your own behalf, thank you very much.

amen!

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

When you say that the game is selling itself, then I have to ask you to explain the following quote from the O-boards.  I'm copying and pasting it again (in part) here because it seems you must have overlooked it:

" Star Wars has some of the most rabid fans of any genre, sci-fi or otherwise,and fans of the series are world-wide, numbering in the hundreds of millions. SOE should think of them an an untapped financial resource and doing all they can to entice new players."

This is not the game selling itself.  This is  someone trying to motivate current players to become "an untapped financial resource doing all they can to entice new players."  If the game is selling itself, why this push for free marketters to "entice" new players?

 

 

Can't remember where that quote is from, but I would guess it refers to the untapped disposable income of MMORPG players.  Similar to a hobby like golf, an MMORPG player can be enticed into spending thousands of dollars on their hobby, but before the TCG Sony only asked them to pay $15 a month.

With players now happily parting with more dollars than they would have spent in many lifetimes, Sony is definately tapping into this resource.

I'm hoping that this in turn will see more investment in SWG Development, if not I will be a rather angry Badger.

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by suske

sony has been caught doing this lots of times. i dont think it is true in this case though. every time soe pushes some horrid publish out and more quit a few misguided superfans try a little free damage control. its quite funny to see people wasting time on free pr when the company running the game obviously doesn't care about it themselves.

 

I think the case is actually that SoE has improved SWG to the point that the game is selling itself.

In terms of marketing the game, I would assume that when Station Launcher is finally ready for release they will have a big advertising campaign to push the package.

As it stands, you can download the free launcher and have trial access to seven MMO's, five strategy games and three casual games with more on the way, then choose to sub individually or take the station access package.

It makes sense that they would focus money on selling all their games at once, rather than just EQ or SWG seperately.

can i buy some pot from you?

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

When you say that the game is selling itself, then I have to ask you to explain the following quote from the O-boards.  I'm copying and pasting it again (in part) here because it seems you must have overlooked it:

" Star Wars has some of the most rabid fans of any genre, sci-fi or otherwise,and fans of the series are world-wide, numbering in the hundreds of millions. SOE should think of them an an untapped financial resource and doing all they can to entice new players."

This is not the game selling itself.  This is  someone trying to motivate current players to become "an untapped financial resource doing all they can to entice new players."  If the game is selling itself, why this push for free marketters to "entice" new players?

 

 

 

Can't remember where that quote is from, but I would guess it refers to the untapped disposable income of MMORPG players.  Similar to a hobby like golf, an MMORPG player can be enticed into spending thousands of dollars on their hobby, but before the TCG Sony only asked them to pay $15 a month.

With players now happily parting with more dollars than they would have spent in many lifetimes, Sony is definately tapping into this resource.

I'm hoping that this in turn will see more investment in SWG Development, if not I will be a rather angry Badger.

The full quote is in post number 31 of this thread, and earlier on Obee provides a link to the post on the Oboards.  Someone posted on the Officical Boards to try to mobilize current players to go on a marketting spree for SOE.

I have to ask you something.  You've posted bug reports and helped a lot of players over the years.  I've seen you go out of your way to set up time online to show people the ropes, and to show them work arounds for major bugs.

In light of all this, I have to ask you how you feel about the fact that the loot cards embedded in the TCG now have your fellow gamers, as you say, "parting with more dollars than they would have spent in many lifetimes?"

Originally posted by salvaje

The door closes when the NGE dies.  Pure and simple.

I know I speak for a huge chunk of the pissed off former player community when I say that one of our prime goals is the END of the NGE.  Which means killing off the carcass of this game.

(and before any fanboi starts in with the "it's no longer the NGE NGE" crap, so long as there are only 9 cookie cutter professions, no 4x4xmaster skill system, Jedi are a starter profession, and a stupid CROSSHAIR is the default combat UI, it's still the NGE).

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

 

 

Do you ever look at your posts after you've written them and think how ridiculous it looks to get angry in such an assertive, caps-intensive way about the issue. Its bad enough you think that there is this huge horde of people standing behind you all willing the end of SWG, to satisfy your twisted wants (whether it will is a completely different matter); fact is theres around 30 or 40 of you who can find nothing else to do.

In reply to your more recent post, populations have been higher recently, and yes, il post screenshots if you would like. Free CTS does not mean shutting them down; everyone knows this game has always had too many servers: There are many other games out there with roughly the same amount of servers with way over the population that SWG has ever had, so its hard to justiry the same amount with 50k or 250k. Its a logical move, not a precursor to a shutdown.

Originally posted by salvaje

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

You seem hellbent on pointing this out whenever you get the opportunity. And while it falls into the "no-shit" category, the intensity with which you repeatedly post it is telling.

Nothing will make you happier than taking away Star Wars Galaxies from the current players. You want the game dead, because you want to see the current players unhappy. That is SAD.

You guys over at your lolforum at MMOFringe like to cast aspersions on me? Well, allow me to do the same to you. You are eagerly anticipating the day you can receive pleasure from the destruction of a GAME that many people still enjoy. What kind of person does that make you?

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by salvaje

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

You seem hellbent on pointing this out whenever you get the opportunity. And while it falls into the "no-shit" category, the intensity with which you repeatedly post it is telling.

Nothing will make you happier than taking away Star Wars Galaxies from the current players. You want the game dead, because you want to see the current players unhappy. That is SAD.

You guys over at your lolforum at MMOFringe like to cast aspersions on me? Well, allow me to do the same to you. You are eagerly anticipating the day you can receive pleasure from the destruction of a GAME that many people still enjoy. What kind of person does that make you?

I'll just speak for myself on this particular issue.  Would I like to see current players lose what they enjoy?  No, I really wouldn't.  As I've mentioned a number of times, I have some wonderful friends who still play the game.

At the same time do I understand why some people can't stand to see what the game has become?  Yeah, I think I get that too.  Also, I know some people feel that Smed got away with a lot of crap, and that as long as the game continues, he's still getting away with it somehow.

Closing the game down wouldn't be the resolution I'm looking for though tbh.  What I'd rather see is a change of leadership and philosophy at SOE.  Here's what that would look like for me:

If SOE says they're going to fix certain bugs, they fix those bugs in a timely manner.

If SOE says they're adding something to the game via an expansion or update, they actually add it to the game, and don't delete it a couple of weeks after it goes live.

If SOE tells players they can expect improvements to certain aspects of the game in the near future (e.g. space), then improve those aspects of the game in the near future.

If SOE makes a mistake, just 'fess up, apologize, and set things right.  Don't play mind games with people to try and make them think they're imagining the problem.

If SOE wants to market the game, just be honest about what is in the game, what isn't in the game, and what the actual develop plans are for the game.  Don't say one thing (e.g. profession revamps, and then do the opposite--profession deletions). 

If SOE introduces new content, just make sure it works, and doesn't negate the previous content.

If SOE took hundreds of dollars from people gambling for podracers,  give it back, and make loot items like that part of the game people have already subscribed to. 

If SOE wants to add a card game, then just add a card game without making it a vehicle for something else.

If the current leadership at SOE can't meet these standards, get new leadership.  These are the basics for a successful service industry.

For those that do currently enjoy the game, in all honesty, wouldn't you like to see some of these changes too?  Wouldn't you like to see better qualilty, more honesty, more respect for player accomplishments and fewer scams and gimmicks?

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by salvaje

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

You seem hellbent on pointing this out whenever you get the opportunity. And while it falls into the "no-shit" category, the intensity with which you repeatedly post it is telling.

Nothing will make you happier than taking away Star Wars Galaxies from the current players. You want the game dead, because you want to see the current players unhappy. That is SAD.

You guys over at your lolforum at MMOFringe like to cast aspersions on me? Well, allow me to do the same to you. You are eagerly anticipating the day you can receive pleasure from the destruction of a GAME that many people still enjoy. What kind of person does that make you?

There's people that still enjoy SWG, yes, but I wouldn't say "many"

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by salvaje

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

You seem hellbent on pointing this out whenever you get the opportunity. And while it falls into the "no-shit" category, the intensity with which you repeatedly post it is telling.

Nothing will make you happier than taking away Star Wars Galaxies from the current players. You want the game dead, because you want to see the current players unhappy. That is SAD.

You guys over at your lolforum at MMOFringe like to cast aspersions on me? Well, allow me to do the same to you. You are eagerly anticipating the day you can receive pleasure from the destruction of a GAME that many people still enjoy. What kind of person does that make you?

I'll just speak for myself on this particular issue.  Would I like to see current players lose what they enjoy?  No, I really wouldn't.  As I've mentioned a number of times, I have some wonderful friends who still play the game.

At the same time do I understand why some people can't stand to see what the game has become?  Yeah, I think I get that too.  Also, I know some people feel that Smed got away with a lot of crap, and that as long as the game continues, he's still getting away with it somehow.

Closing the game down wouldn't be the resolution I'm looking for though tbh.  What I'd rather see is a change of leadership and philosophy at SOE.  Here's what that would look like for me:

If SOE says they're going to fix certain bugs, they fix those bugs in a timely manner.

If SOE says they're adding something to the game via an expansion or update, they actually add it to the game, and don't delete it a couple of weeks after it goes live.

If SOE wants to introduce new loot, make it part of the game people subscribe too, don't invite them to gamble for it by buying trading card packs.

If SOE tells players they can expect improvements to certain aspects of the game in the near future, then improve those aspects of the game in the near future.

If SOE makes a mistake, just 'fess up, apologize, and set things right.  Don't play mind games with people to try and make them think they're imagining the problem.

If SOE wants to market the game, just be honest about what is in the game, what isn't in the game, and what the actually develop plans are for the game.  Don't say one thing (e.g. profession revamps, and then do the opposite--profession deletions).

If SOE introduces new content, just make sure it works, and doesn't negate the previous content.

If SOE took hundreds of dollars from people gambling for podracers,  give it back, and make loot items like that part of the game people have already subscribed too.  Don't try to hide a game of chance for real cash in the Trading Card Game.  Just implement a trading card game if people would like one, don't use it as some kind of trojan horse for a scam.

For those that do currently enjoy the game, in all honesty, wouldn't you like to see some of these changes too?

Awesome post I agree 100% I played SWG since launch and I feel the same but honestly I quit just before the nge would have hit me as a player as I was a CH I went back maybe a year or so later for a free trial and as such it was a little more difficult for me to be "bitter" about the changes but all the stated reasons above are why I was lucky enough to leave before that happened, the writing had been on the wall for a long while and it was evident that as far as SOE is concerned it was a problem with upper management which is why I still avoid giving them any of my money. I simply can't trust them because it's obvious top down that customers are dollar signs and they will do most anything to increase that, as a consumer who tends towards sony products in general it is pretty sad to me.

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by salvaje

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

You seem hellbent on pointing this out whenever you get the opportunity. And while it falls into the "no-shit" category, the intensity with which you repeatedly post it is telling.

Nothing will make you happier than taking away Star Wars Galaxies from the current players. You want the game dead, because you want to see the current players unhappy. That is SAD.

You guys over at your lolforum at MMOFringe like to cast aspersions on me? Well, allow me to do the same to you. You are eagerly anticipating the day you can receive pleasure from the destruction of a GAME that many people still enjoy. What kind of person does that make you?

I'll just speak for myself on this particular issue.  Would I like to see current players lose what they enjoy?  No, I really wouldn't.  As I've mentioned a number of times, I have some wonderful friends who still play the game.

At the same time do I understand why some people can't stand to see what the game has become?  Yeah, I think I get that too.  Also, I know some people feel that Smed got away with a lot of crap, and that as long as the game continues, he's still getting away with it somehow.

Closing the game down wouldn't be the resolution I'm looking for though tbh.  What I'd rather see is a change of leadership and philosophy at SOE.  Here's what that would look like for me:

If SOE says they're going to fix certain bugs, they fix those bugs in a timely manner.

If SOE says they're adding something to the game via an expansion or update, they actually add it to the game, and don't delete it a couple of weeks after it goes live.

If SOE tells players they can expect improvements to certain aspects of the game in the near future (e.g. space), then improve those aspects of the game in the near future.

If SOE makes a mistake, just 'fess up, apologize, and set things right.  Don't play mind games with people to try and make them think they're imagining the problem.

If SOE wants to market the game, just be honest about what is in the game, what isn't in the game, and what the actual develop plans are for the game.  Don't say one thing (e.g. profession revamps, and then do the opposite--profession deletions). 

If SOE introduces new content, just make sure it works, and doesn't negate the previous content.

If SOE took hundreds of dollars from people gambling for podracers,  give it back, and make loot items like that part of the game people have already subscribed to. 

If SOE wants to add a card game, then just add a card game without making it a vehicle for something else.

If the current leadership at SOE can't meet these standards, get new leadership.  These are the basics for a successful service industry.

For those that do currently enjoy the game, in all honesty, wouldn't you like to see some of these changes too?  Wouldn't you like to see better qualilty, more honesty, more respect for player accomplishments and fewer scams and gimmicks?

I'll agree with what you said wholeheartedly. I was referring to Wildcat and only Wildcat when I made that post.

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by salvaje

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

You seem hellbent on pointing this out whenever you get the opportunity. And while it falls into the "no-shit" category, the intensity with which you repeatedly post it is telling.

Nothing will make you happier than taking away Star Wars Galaxies from the current players. You want the game dead, because you want to see the current players unhappy. That is SAD.

You guys over at your lolforum at MMOFringe like to cast aspersions on me? Well, allow me to do the same to you. You are eagerly anticipating the day you can receive pleasure from the destruction of a GAME that many people still enjoy. What kind of person does that make you?

I'll just speak for myself on this particular issue.  Would I like to see current players lose what they enjoy?  No, I really wouldn't.  As I've mentioned a number of times, I have some wonderful friends who still play the game.

At the same time do I understand why some people can't stand to see what the game has become?  Yeah, I think I get that too.  Also, I know some people feel that Smed got away with a lot of crap, and that as long as the game continues, he's still getting away with it somehow.

Closing the game down wouldn't be the resolution I'm looking for though tbh.  What I'd rather see is a change of leadership and philosophy at SOE.  Here's what that would look like for me:

If SOE says they're going to fix certain bugs, they fix those bugs in a timely manner.

If SOE says they're adding something to the game via an expansion or update, they actually add it to the game, and don't delete it a couple of weeks after it goes live.

If SOE tells players they can expect improvements to certain aspects of the game in the near future (e.g. space), then improve those aspects of the game in the near future.

If SOE makes a mistake, just 'fess up, apologize, and set things right.  Don't play mind games with people to try and make them think they're imagining the problem.

If SOE wants to market the game, just be honest about what is in the game, what isn't in the game, and what the actual develop plans are for the game.  Don't say one thing (e.g. profession revamps, and then do the opposite--profession deletions). 

If SOE introduces new content, just make sure it works, and doesn't negate the previous content.

If SOE took hundreds of dollars from people gambling for podracers,  give it back, and make loot items like that part of the game people have already subscribed to. 

If SOE wants to add a card game, then just add a card game without making it a vehicle for something else.

If the current leadership at SOE can't meet these standards, get new leadership.  These are the basics for a successful service industry.

For those that do currently enjoy the game, in all honesty, wouldn't you like to see some of these changes too?  Wouldn't you like to see better qualilty, more honesty, more respect for player accomplishments and fewer scams and gimmicks?

I'll agree with what you said wholeheartedly. I was referring to Wildcat and only Wildcat when I made that post.

I understood that from your post, but thanks for clarifying just the same :).  Also, I continue to be persuaded that most current and former players (as well as many current and former SOE staff) see the same problems that we all do, and wish the same kinds of improvements would be made to the way SOE runs their show.
 

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by salvaje

Very VERY good point that if you took away the Star Wars IP there would be nothing at all about the NGE to attract anyone.

That isn't true of the Pre-CU.  Take away Star Wars and give it an original Sci-Fi/fantasy IP and it'd be just as good of a game and most of us would rather play it than any other game out there.

 

 

You HONESTLY believe that pre-CU would have been just as successful without the Star Wars IP? I mean, REALLY?

I don't.

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by salvaje

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

You seem hellbent on pointing this out whenever you get the opportunity. And while it falls into the "no-shit" category, the intensity with which you repeatedly post it is telling.

Nothing will make you happier than taking away Star Wars Galaxies from the current players. You want the game dead, because you want to see the current players unhappy. That is SAD.

You guys over at your lolforum at MMOFringe like to cast aspersions on me? Well, allow me to do the same to you. You are eagerly anticipating the day you can receive pleasure from the destruction of a GAME that many people still enjoy. What kind of person does that make you?

People who you claim to be enjoying this game do so because they have no choice. SOE destroyed classic SWG and threw this crap upon everyone without notice.

If they opened a pre-cu server it will be the highest populated server by far.  

Originally posted by Hozloff

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by salvaje

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

You seem hellbent on pointing this out whenever you get the opportunity. And while it falls into the "no-shit" category, the intensity with which you repeatedly post it is telling.

Nothing will make you happier than taking away Star Wars Galaxies from the current players. You want the game dead, because you want to see the current players unhappy. That is SAD.

You guys over at your lolforum at MMOFringe like to cast aspersions on me? Well, allow me to do the same to you. You are eagerly anticipating the day you can receive pleasure from the destruction of a GAME that many people still enjoy. What kind of person does that make you?

 

People who you claim to be enjoying this game do so because they have no choice. SOE destroyed classic SWG and threw this crap upon everyone without notice.

If they opened a pre-cu server it will be the highest populated server by far.  

Nobody's denying that, either. I'm simply taking issue with the glee Wildcat seems to get by hating on those who continue to play the game.

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Hozloff

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by salvaje

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

You seem hellbent on pointing this out whenever you get the opportunity. And while it falls into the "no-shit" category, the intensity with which you repeatedly post it is telling.

Nothing will make you happier than taking away Star Wars Galaxies from the current players. You want the game dead, because you want to see the current players unhappy. That is SAD.

You guys over at your lolforum at MMOFringe like to cast aspersions on me? Well, allow me to do the same to you. You are eagerly anticipating the day you can receive pleasure from the destruction of a GAME that many people still enjoy. What kind of person does that make you?

 

People who you claim to be enjoying this game do so because they have no choice. SOE destroyed classic SWG and threw this crap upon everyone without notice.

If they opened a pre-cu server it will be the highest populated server by far.  

 

Nobody's denying that, either. I'm simply taking issue with the glee Wildcat seems to get by hating on those who continue to play the game.

I have not seen where he hates people who still play the game.

Here he is arguing that the NGE will not be missed - it will have a dishonourable death. And he is right, because people who still play it do so for lack of alternatives, and because they decided to content themselves with whatever SOE pushed down their throat.

Originally posted by tillamook

Anyone else notice that every since the announcement of TOR there seems to be more and more “I like SWG” “Returning to SWG” “Just tried SWG” from unknown ninja posters.

They pop in, say SWG is grand, then vanish like a fart in the wind again lol. Then I noticed the opposite seems to be happening in the TOR forums. The classic trolling “This game is gonna fail” but nothing to back up the claim that the game we know little about is going to fail. Then they never reply again. Sure a few may be Darkfall trolls, but most only have an account for one purpose, trolling.

...

I have noticed this, but find it odd that Hoth is not mentioned.

I also find it odd that claims are made of the population is growing...  I can understand that when the server mergers will occur, there will be a preceived population boost of those servers remaining online.  But of actual population growth....  ugh.

Hoth is a awesome instance, the new gameplay of the snowspeeders, the voice overs, the tactics needed for sucess in your group make it a blast.

Originally posted by zuzke

Originally posted by saay

Originally posted by salvaje

The door closes when the NGE dies.  Pure and simple.

I know I speak for a huge chunk of the pissed off former player community when I say that one of our prime goals is the END of the NGE.  Which means killing off the carcass of this game.

(and before any fanboi starts in with the "it's no longer the NGE NGE" crap, so long as there are only 9 cookie cutter professions, no 4x4xmaster skill system, Jedi are a starter profession, and a stupid CROSSHAIR is the default combat UI, it's still the NGE).

When the NGE is gone from the last of the SOE live servers, it's gone.  Dead, buried, like what the cat does in the catbox.  It will never be ressurected.  It will never have people lamenting of it's departure.  There will never be a NGEmu.  It will be DEAD.  GONE.   Even the CU may come back some day in some form.  Whatever.  But not the NGE.  NEVER.

 

 

 

Do you ever look at your posts after you've written them and think how ridiculous it looks to get angry in such an assertive, caps-intensive way about the issue.

you ever look at your posts and wonder why you feel the need to attack him for hating a game?

No, I do it uphold the truth or at least counter some of the proposterous claims here. He doesnt just hate the game - he is willing it to be destroyed at the expense of other's enoyment.

Its bad enough you think that there is this huge horde of people standing behind you all willing the end of SWG, to satisfy your twisted wants (whether it will is a completely different matter); fact is theres around 30 or 40 of you who can find nothing else to do.

if there are only 40 of us it's still more than the 5-7  people who feel the need to attack any derogatory post relating to swg/soe.

Your point? I dont just "feel the need to attack" I responded to it because it makes untruthful claims. Regardless of how many want to do what i do, whether its for a bit of fun or otherwise, i was trying to get through the idea that what he wants and cares about is not a wide spread thing.

In reply to your more recent post, populations have been higher recently, and yes, il post screenshots if you would like.

it's always the same thing with you nge'rs. "more people are playing". by now they should be adding servers instead of shutting half of them down.

We re-iterate there are more people play than you make out. I do not draw any illusions that we are suddenly experiencing pre-CU populations. This is just a lame comeback when you cant accept that you guys always sound like a broken record, thus our response is likely to sound similar.

Free CTS does not mean shutting them down;

yes it does. that is the very concept behind allowing people free server transfers. there isn't a useable population on any of the servers so you combine them in the attempt to create good populations on less servers.

It was stated that there were no Shutdowns planned immediately - in other words they'll only shut down servers if need be; those who wish to remain on there servers may do so for a while. Anyway. here i was refering to the entire game.

everyone knows this game has always had too many servers:

is that why half of them had wait times to log in every day?

I meant post NGE, valid point, my mistake.

There are many other games out there with roughly the same amount of servers with way over the population that SWG has ever had, so its hard to justiry the same amount with 50k or 250k. Its a logical move, not a precursor to a shutdown.

this game has maybe 5-10 k subs. and yes games that have taken such a hit to their subs have to do free server transfers in order to shut down most of the servers to save money and keep the remnants of a once active community happy. and yes this is a concrete sign that the game has run its course and is approaching the endzone.

Hmm, ok, wasnt aware you had access to the sub numbers - wait, you dont, and do you play the game on a regular basis? by the sounds of it - no. Thus your claim of 5-10k is worthless. I cant think of any off the top of my head right now, but other games that have had free transfers havent shutdown. The point i was trying to make was that since the NGE there have always been, obviously, too many servers - the game has been going for 3 years since then despite your claims every other month predicting shutdown. So if anything, a Free CTS should mean increased populations, a good thing: So not only not meaning the "endzone" but actually, an even more positive period. Go ahead and make your predictions about a shutdown and when the time comes that you predicted and nothing happens (as has happened so many times), be thankful no one remembered your claims. (last part was meant generally, well mainly to salvaje)