One month to launch and no information concerning open beta, price of game or subscription or methods of payment? No announcment concerning publishing wether it's a box or DD or both? I don't see any reputable reviewers from game mags test running this new exciting MMORPG or any attempt to get pre-orders, am I wrong?

With the track record of Aventurine even the most rabid DF fanbois has to be getting a little bit nervous, and a tiny bit of doubt must be there. Being a "Vapourware troll" I'm sort of the opposite, 99.9% certain it's another BS pr stunt to keep hype going for a non-existant MMO so they can get more funding with 00.1% of doubt.

If this isn't vaporware and it does get released next month then Darkfall must be like the stealth bomber of MMORPGs. Let's hope if it does launch next month it doesn't get shot down soon after ;) But until release I'm still going to put my bets on Vapourware, until I play it, it doesn't exist!

Didn't you hear?

Darkfall already launched. It's "invite to buy" only.

Tasos invited about 3 million people and they all bought and are playing. He says that there's no screenshots or any kind of information from these people because they're all too busy playing and enjoying the game.

Originally posted by Selencia

 I think it will be a scam like Dark & Light turned out to be. They probably have no interest in progressing the game post-launch, they just want the initial sales.

WRONG this is the game they have always wanted to play actully isnt like there advertising at all to get shit load of sells like AOC

Why should they want game mag reviewers to try their game, when they do not want to appeal to the masses that read magazine or game 'review" websites? 

They appeal to a different type of gamer than what you are obviously use to. This is not another overhyped shit with big IP.

Originally posted by Steelrose

Why should they want game mag reviewers to try their game, when they do not want to appeal to the masses that read magazine or game 'review" websites? 

They appeal to a different type of gamer than what you are obviously use to. This is not another overhyped shit with big IP.

I can respect that. But if they want me to fork over $50, I'd like to know a bit about the game.

Originally posted by Agricola1

One month to launch and no information concerning open beta, price of game or subscription or methods of payment? No announcment concerning publishing wether it's a box or DD or both? I don't see any reputable reviewers from game mags test running this new exciting MMORPG or any attempt to get pre-orders, am I wrong?

With the track record of Aventurine even the most rabid DF fanbois has to be getting a little bit nervous, and a tiny bit of doubt must be there. Being a "Vapourware troll" I'm sort of the opposite, 99.9% certain it's another BS pr stunt to keep hype going for a non-existant MMO so they can get more funding with 00.1% of doubt.

If this isn't vaporware and it does get released next month then Darkfall must be like the stealth bomber of MMORPGs. Let's hope if it does launch next month it doesn't get shot down soon after ;) But until release I'm still going to put my bets on Vapourware, until I play it, it doesn't exist!

a lil but this is like them they will give the info needed when we need it

Originally posted by Selencia

Originally posted by Steelrose

Why should they want game mag reviewers to try their game, when they do not want to appeal to the masses that read magazine or game 'review" websites? 

They appeal to a different type of gamer than what you are obviously use to. This is not another overhyped shit with big IP.

I can respect that. But if they want me to fork over $50, I'd like to know a bit about the game.

try before you buy

Originally posted by Selencia

Originally posted by Steelrose

Why should they want game mag reviewers to try their game, when they do not want to appeal to the masses that read magazine or game 'review" websites? 

They appeal to a different type of gamer than what you are obviously use to. This is not another overhyped shit with big IP.

I can respect that. But if they want me to fork over $50, I'd like to know a bit about the game.

Most of the community do not know about Darkfall. They did not spend any money on advertisment yet. There are no banners, no posters... so therefore "reviewers" don't consider darkfall being popular enough to write previews about it.

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Agricola1

 

a lil but this is like them they will give the info needed when we need it

Well I understand what you're saying but wouldn't it be a good idea to release the info now and start taking money now before Christmass? Just from a business stand point, if it is going to be released and is finished as they claim what do they have to lose?

I think some info on how and where and for what price I could purchase the game would be needed around now atleast. It's only a month and you're going to have to sell the game before it goes live right? So they have less than a month now to get that info to me and for me to look it over and make a decision.

It all seems like a dangerous tightrope walking act with no net to me (if it does release next month).

Who wrote about Mount and Blade before release? It's still not much known game, but it has its qualities and its community thinks its one of the best sandbox single player games ever made. And there was no advertisment, no hype, no previews about Mount and Blade. Darkfall might be the same case.

Originally posted by Agricola1

One month to launch and no information concerning open beta, price of game or subscription or methods of payment? No announcment concerning publishing wether it's a box or DD or both? I don't see any reputable reviewers from game mags test running this new exciting MMORPG or any attempt to get pre-orders, am I wrong?

With the track record of Aventurine even the most rabid DF fanbois has to be getting a little bit nervous, and a tiny bit of doubt must be there. Being a "Vapourware troll" I'm sort of the opposite, 99.9% certain it's another BS pr stunt to keep hype going for a non-existant MMO so they can get more funding with 00.1% of doubt.

If this isn't vaporware and it does get released next month then Darkfall must be like the stealth bomber of MMORPGs. Let's hope if it does launch next month it doesn't get shot down soon after ;) But until release I'm still going to put my bets on Vapourware, until I play it, it doesn't exist!

Before you get torn apart from fanboys i should let you know that the "long term followers" of DF treat it like a religion, not a video game.

The DF devs for them are godlike. Therefore they don't ask for stuff because it will obviously slow down the developing process (which for me is non-existant).

Just try to wait, i know it sounds so promising and all, but just don't talk about it.

Simply because there is only a handful of concrete (?) info being releaseed and everything else is plain speculation from people that spend their lives talking nonsense on a forum.

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Agricola1

 

a lil but this is like them they will give the info needed when we need it

 

Well I understand what you're saying but wouldn't it be a good idea to release the info now and start taking money now before Christmass? Just from a business stand point, if it is going to be released and is finished as they claim what do they have to lose?

I think some info on how and where and for what price I could purchase the game would be needed around now atleast. It's only a month and you're going to have to sell the game before it goes live right? So they have less than a month now to get that info to me and for me to look it over and make a decision.

It all seems like a dangerous tightrope walking act with no net to me (if it does release next month).

then every df troll will start yelling scam and stuff so no pre orders or anything try before you buy model i think there going to use then after launch they will advertise a bit more

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Agricola1

 

 

 

then every df troll will start yelling scam and stuff so no pre orders or anything try before you buy model i think there going to use then after launch they will advertise a bit more

Well I find it hard to believe that they refuse to sell pre-orders for fear of forum trolls screaming scam, also the try before you buy model sounds like a very bad idea to me. Why would you set back sales one month? It doesn't make sense not to take pre-orders sell the game then set up a free trial months later. Doing a try before you buy means people that would normally have bought it find out it's not for them and don't purchase. I think a try before you buy has as much chance of losing them money as it does of gaining. Since this has only been done long after an MMORPGs release, never at release unless it is a an open beta (and that is a very short stress test with limits).

I just can't find anything to convince me this MMORPG is happening, Aventurine just sends out all the wrong signals.

 No way it will happen,they would have to be printing the disks now.  If this is digital download only, forget about it.. 10k players tops

All of the good games I've played this year did not have preorders, magazine previews or advertising.  They were games that I knew nothing of until I heard about them via word of mouth or just stumbled across them so I don't really see how any of this is relevent.

Actually all the games that had lots of information available except Fallout 3 sucked big time.  It seems to me that the amount pre release information and advertising that a game receives is inversly proportional to how good it will be.  That's my own experience of this from the games I have played this year, which is most of them.  Another exception will probably be Empire Total War hopefully.

Well it is an indie game and just like Indie/underground music the info is out there you just have to look for it. 

I don't expect them to do a shit ton of advertisement hype bs but come on at least get someone other than your friends to review the game, they could have had someone that is at least remotely well known.

I just don't think the developers have confidence in their own game, so why should I have confidence in them.

Originally posted by Azrile

 No way it will happen,they would have to be printing the disks now.  If this is digital download only, forget about it.. 10k players tops

there going ot have disk in the eu thats why the release date was pushed up because there partners werent ready yet it just allows more time for polish

252k register forums members more like 50-100 k at least as long as one server remains full at most times it will be fine

Originally posted by cukimunga 

I don't expect them to do a shit ton of advertisement hype bs but come on at least get someone other than your friends to review the game, they could have had someone that is at least remotely well known.

To be honest I think people greatly underestimate how hard it is for indies to get coverage in the mainstream gaming media.  Do you think you can just phone them up and they will cover your game?   

I did have a quote from a while back from the developer of one of the biggest selling pc games of the year, which had almost no pre release coverage in which he said it was impossible to get gamespot ect to give their game any coverage.

 EDIT: Here's the quote ""So even though Galactic Civilizations II sold 300,000 copies making [eight] digits in revenue on a budget of less than $1 million, it's still largely off the radar. I practically have to agree to mow editors' lawns to get coverage... "

Aventurine has had an open invitation to the game media for a few weeks now to come to their studio and play the game, they will do this for EA so why not for Aventurine?  With no advertsing revenue likely to materialise from this game they aren't going to cover it.

The developers have always made an effort to NOT give out any information about this game. They are playing this very close to the vest... and I do not expect for there to be any change. The best thing that they can do at this point is not tell anyone anything... because that, in itself, causes a buzz... much more so than the actual information might.

From the FAQ here at MMORPG.com

"How much will I have to pay to play Darkfall?

We have no idea yet, probably the same as other MMORPGs on the market - $50 for the CD, first month free, then $10 each month. We'll see. Obviously it would be cool to give the game away for free, but we got bills to pay :)"

Originally posted by Agricola1

One month to launch and no information concerning open beta, price of game or subscription or methods of payment? No announcment concerning publishing wether it's a box or DD or both? I don't see any reputable reviewers from game mags test running this new exciting MMORPG or any attempt to get pre-orders, am I wrong?

With the track record of Aventurine even the most rabid DF fanbois has to be getting a little bit nervous, and a tiny bit of doubt must be there. Being a "Vapourware troll" I'm sort of the opposite, 99.9% certain it's another BS pr stunt to keep hype going for a non-existant MMO so they can get more funding with 00.1% of doubt.

If this isn't vaporware and it does get released next month then Darkfall must be like the stealth bomber of MMORPGs. Let's hope if it does launch next month it doesn't get shot down soon after ;) But until release I'm still going to put my bets on Vapourware, until I play it, it doesn't exist!

Just wait and see it will come in time if not its delayed just have patience.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by cukimunga 

I don't expect them to do a shit ton of advertisement hype bs but come on at least get someone other than your friends to review the game, they could have had someone that is at least remotely well known.

To be honest I think people greatly underestimate how hard it is for indies to get coverage in the mainstream gaming media.  Do you think you can just phone them up and they will cover your game?   

I did have a quote from a while back from the developer of one of the biggest selling pc games of the year, which had almost no pre release coverage in which he said it was impossible to get gamespot ect to give their game any coverage.

 

Yeah I never thought it would be easy or anything, its just either they didn't put effort into it or they really didn't care. Fallen Earth has had some coverage in gamespot thats how I  found out about the alpha sign ups.  So why not DF,  you'd think that someone would want to cover it since it isn't like any  game realeased in the last 4 or 5 years. 

I know they aren't trying to go head to head with WoW and all the mainstream games, but if they are relying on WoM only,  It can end up really bad.   Cuz  their will be the people that say the game is awesome, but then again your going to have those pepople ranting on and on how bad the game sucks. We all know the bad stuff get passed around more than the good stuff.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by cukimunga 

I don't expect them to do a shit ton of advertisement hype bs but come on at least get someone other than your friends to review the game, they could have had someone that is at least remotely well known.

To be honest I think people greatly underestimate how hard it is for indies to get coverage in the mainstream gaming media.  Do you think you can just phone them up and they will cover your game?   

I did have a quote from a while back from the developer of one of the biggest selling pc games of the year, which had almost no pre release coverage in which he said it was impossible to get gamespot ect to give their game any coverage.

 EDIT: Here's the quote ""So even though Galactic Civilizations II sold 300,000 copies making [eight] digits in revenue on a budget of less than $1 million, it's still largely off the radar. I practically have to agree to mow editors' lawns to get coverage... "

Aventurine has had an open invitation to the game media for a few weeks now to come to their studio and play the game, they will do this for EA so why not for Aventurine?  With no advertsing revenue likely to materialise from this game they aren't going to cover it.

Over the years PC Gameplay have previewed Darkfall 3 times, so i hope and gues they will cover it in near future.

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Originally posted by Blodpls
All of the good games I've played this year did not have preorders, magazine previews or advertising.  They were games that I knew nothing of until I heard about them via word of mouth or just stumbled across them so I don't really see how any of this is relevent.
Actually all the games that had lots of information available except Fallout 3 sucked big time.  It seems to me that the amount pre release information and advertising that a game receives is inversly proportional to how good it will be.  That's my own experience of this from the games I have played this year, which is most of them.  Another exception will probably be Empire Total War hopefully.

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This is the case with nearly everything. The more advertising something gets, the less the actual quality likely is. This is especially apparent in larger companies (for MMOs, read: SOE) who spend more work-hours and money on adverts than they do on design, development, and QA. Many films are this way also. But it is a tried and true concept for merchandise in any vein to advertise and advertise and then sell. If you tell people it is good, enough people are stupid enough to go for it regardless.

And to advertise in the way companies like SOE, Blizzard, and the like do is very, very costly. Aventurine simply cannot afford to do this; they have a small budget. And because they cannot afford to hype their game in this way, most large organizations that review games will not take the time to review it because they believe it will not improve their own ratings.

Quality and sales/public opinion are almost never in synch.

That said, while I really, really want a game like this, and I really hope this game does come out in January, because from their promises it sounds like exactly what I would want in a game, I find it very, very difficult to believe it will come out. I am leaning towards the idea that an engine exists, but from their track record, I find it very difficult to believe anything they say.

Originally posted by Leodious

 

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Originally posted by Blodpls
All of the good games I've played this year did not have preorders, magazine previews or advertising.  They were games that I knew nothing of until I heard about them via word of mouth or just stumbled across them so I don't really see how any of this is relevent.
Actually all the games that had lots of information available except Fallout 3 sucked big time.  It seems to me that the amount pre release information and advertising that a game receives is inversly proportional to how good it will be.  That's my own experience of this from the games I have played this year, which is most of them.  Another exception will probably be Empire Total War hopefully.

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This is the case with nearly everything. The more advertising something gets, the less the actual quality likely is. This is especially apparent in larger companies (for MMOs, read: SOE) who spend more work-hours and money on adverts than they do on design, development, and QA. Many films are this way also. But it is a tried and true concept for merchandise in any vein to advertise and advertise and then sell. If you tell people it is good, enough people are stupid enough to go for it regardless.

And to advertise in the way companies like SOE, Blizzard, and the like do is very, very costly. Aventurine simply cannot afford to do this; they have a small budget. And because they cannot afford to hype their game in this way, most large organizations that review games will not take the time to review it because they believe it will not improve their own ratings.

Quality and sales/public opinion are almost never in synch.

That said, while I really, really want a game like this, and I really hope this game does come out in January, because from their promises it sounds like exactly what I would want in a game, I find it very, very difficult to believe it will come out. I am leaning towards the idea that an engine exists, but from their track record, I find it very difficult to believe anything they say.

except i have conformation from a friend that everything they say is mostly true