Originally posted by alakram

Originally posted by tro44_1

I wonder what the Developers are using to test the server strength with the few Beta testers.

 

As far as i know, I did read in one of their updates they were using Bots with their AI to simulate high stress on the server. This is posible to be done. I dont know how much efective it could be, but it is posible. You may need 2 servers one to hold the game server and other one to simulate the players.

yea has alot to do with packet spaming and having the bots cause the same stress as a real person and the ai skilling up and using the game mechanics and stuff its weird and id ont think anyg ames has actully done it this way. i know some have tried using simulations that log npcs in but they dont cause the stress needed

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by downtoearth

i dont count 500-700 few

Come on, let's be honest. 

In September did you really think there would only be a few hundred Beta Testers in the middle of December?  Really?   Hmm... I'm having trouble believing that. 

In September everyone thought and hoped they got a beta invite via e-mail, It never got sent to anyone.

yea actully since tasos said there only a few hundred in that interview and they was going to ramp it up considerbly i would say there will be around 1000 testers end of december

well maybe after that leak umm ..>

The answer is clear.....when you subscribe...you will be a paying beta tester.Pretty standard operating procedure for many games that have been launched reciently.WAR is the latest that comes to mind.

Originally posted by downtoearth

i dont count 500-700 few

 That is a few.. that is a VERY small number to test a MMORPG with. You need tens of thousands of people to properly test a MMORPG.

But there is NOT even 500-700 in Beta.

If there were that amount then there would be leaks EVERYWHERE.

Of course the fool called Tasos would like everyone to believe that all these hundreds of people are all conveniently obeying like good people which is why there has not been 1 single Beta leak.

Who does he take for fools? Other than the fanboys..

they've said they have a few/several hundred people in beta. this is very different to a few thousand people they will need to prove thier bold claims.

the game is gona fail epically when 10k people try to log on the same server, unless they open beta test. only then can they really say for certain how many players they can support.

Originally posted by Arawon

The answer is clear.....when you subscribe...you will be a paying beta tester.Pretty standard operating procedure for many games that have been launched reciently.WAR is the latest that comes to mind.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by SupderD

You can test a server with VM (virtual machines) accessing that server.  What you can't test is the unpredictablity of players in mass.  Also, AI works of the limits that are set by the host (like the matrix) but people do not.

 

That doesn't account for differences in hardware configurations, and doesn't account for any latency since it is most likely set up in a lan. Saying the AI is testing the game for them is a complete joke.

Latency would be a client issue... And the post was for SERVER strength.  AI can test the server handling many commands at once, but you are right, it can't test different hardware interactions.  Nor can it account for 10k people with different hardware, back ground programs,  keyboard layouts, OS builds.. ETC.  But.. then again.. That's a software issue.. and not a hardware issue.

Come to think of it.. This post is rather irrelevant, or, the subject line is.  Chances are, the hardware CAN handle the load.. but the program build DARKFALL may not be able to without proper testing.

And to downtoearth,, you've got to be the funniest guy on here.  You constantly make up numbers for beta participants.  Stop already. Admit you don't know and move on.

Originally posted by Arawon

The answer is clear.....when you subscribe...you will be a paying beta tester.Pretty standard operating procedure for many games that have been launched reciently.WAR is the latest that comes to mind.

I've been playing WAR since launch, and have never felt like I was testing.  The game launched pretty polished and ready for for public consumption.  All the systems worked and there were no glaring bugs.  Rather than launch with incomplete content, they delayed the stuff that wasn't ready. You can criticize them for that, but it's wholly inaccurate to say the subscribers were paying to beta test.... like it was in Vanguard shape or something.

Besides WAR and LOTRO, I would agree that your statement about beta testing applies to every other MMO to launch in the last two years.  AOC is a much better example of it than WAR.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Arawon

The answer is clear.....when you subscribe...you will be a paying beta tester.Pretty standard operating procedure for many games that have been launched reciently.WAR is the latest that comes to mind.

 

I've been playing WAR since launch, and have never felt like I was testing.  The game launched pretty polished and ready for for public consumption.  All the systems worked and there were no glaring bugs.  Rather than launch with incomplete content, they delayed the stuff that wasn't ready. You can criticize them for that, but it's wholly inaccurate to say the subscribers were paying to beta test.... like it was in Vanguard shape or something.

Besides WAR and LOTRO, I would agree that your statement about beta testing applies to every other MMO to launch in the last two years.  AOC is a much better example of it than WAR.

I have to agree with Salvatoris. I had no real problems with WAR upon launch, I heard some people had problems with CTD, but like I said, it was a great launch in my opinion.

They still have a month for public beta, where they can then stress servers?
 

Originally posted by pewtpewt

They still have a month for public beta, where they can then stress servers?
 

 

lol ye and darkfall open beta will be out then less then a month ye-.... and then pigs can fly

There are other ways to stress test, in fact War and all the other MMO's use them.There's been discussion about how beta isn't really needed any longer in games.

The final test is throwing a ton of people at the game, but it's not strictly necessary. Good code is good code.

zomg, so many trolls, and no these guys aren't "skeptics" they are TROLLS!

they said they used professional testers primarily to test the game, and ALSO AI , but the "DF is testing things through AI lolz" thing is more attractive to trolls than to say "DF tests things through professional testers and they also utilize AI." And they are done doing that testing, they are in closed beta now with a handful of people to get feedback on the game and do last minute bug fixes and to find how the game runs on different hardware configs.

an open beta IS SCHEDULED. Back when release was 08 Tasos said open beta would end early december. Now it probably moved a month forward so it will end in early January. (I doubt it will be longer than 2 weeks but we'll see) And THAT's how they will test server strength: through open beta. Not through AI. Sure yall's concerns about server strength are valid if open beta fails to materialize, but until then y'all are clearly trolling.

EDIT: yeah @ above poster, there are ways to test server strength other than open beta, but they are having an open beta so w/e

Originally posted by rageagainst

zomg, so many trolls, and no these guys aren't "skeptics" they are TROLLS!

they said they used professional testers primarily to test the game, and ALSO AI , but the "DF is testing things through AI lolz" thing is more attractive to trolls than to say "DF tests things through professional testers and they also utilize AI." And they are done doing that testing, they are in closed beta now with a handful of people to get feedback on the game and do last minute bug fixe.

an open beta IS SCHEDULED. Back when release was 08 Tasos said open beta would end early december. Now it probably moved a month forward so it will end in early January. (I doubt it will be longer than 2 weeks but we'll see) And THAT's how they will test server strength: through open beta. Not through AI. Sure yall's concerns about server strength are valid if open beta fails to materialize, but until then y'all are clearly trolling.

Umm... you do realize there is a difference between something being "SCHEDULED", and something that is your opinion... right?

OPEN Beta WAS scheduled.  That schedule failed to produce an OPEN Beta.  There has been no official word on when/if it will be re-scheduled.  

The best we can do now is hope they do RE-schedule it.  But until that actually happens... it's misleading to say that it is "SCHEDULED".

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by rageagainst

zomg, so many trolls, and no these guys aren't "skeptics" they are TROLLS!

they said they used professional testers primarily to test the game, and ALSO AI , but the "DF is testing things through AI lolz" thing is more attractive to trolls than to say "DF tests things through professional testers and they also utilize AI." And they are done doing that testing, they are in closed beta now with a handful of people to get feedback on the game and do last minute bug fixe.

an open beta IS SCHEDULED. Back when release was 08 Tasos said open beta would end early december. Now it probably moved a month forward so it will end in early January. (I doubt it will be longer than 2 weeks but we'll see) And THAT's how they will test server strength: through open beta. Not through AI. Sure yall's concerns about server strength are valid if open beta fails to materialize, but until then y'all are clearly trolling.

Umm... you do realize there is a difference between something being "SCHEDULED", and something that is your opinion... right?

 

OPEN Beta WAS scheduled.  That schedule failed to produce an OPEN Beta.  There has been no official word on when/if it will be re-scheduled.  

 

The best we can do now is hope they do RE-schedule it.  But until that actually happens... it's misleading to say that it is "SCHEDULED".

well ok maybe scheduled was a bad word: a better word is "planning" or how about "when the game was to be released in 08 they scheduled an open beta, but now we know the release IS NOT in 08, so I'm inferencing that they pushed beta back a month like the release date. At the VERY least we know that open beta is on their minds and they are not oblivious to it. And, they don't need an open beta to stress test, but will PROBABLY have one, not 100% sure, but they did say we would get to try the game before buying it."

I hope there is a open beta. I want to check this game out already! If this game lives up to a portion of the hype I will be dragging my friends from what ever game they're playing.

Maybe the testing is going on right now with us testing the hype engine. Looks like I'm getting great framerate and response time myself.

Originally posted by rageagainst

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by rageagainst

zomg, so many trolls, and no these guys aren't "skeptics" they are TROLLS!

they said they used professional testers primarily to test the game, and ALSO AI , but the "DF is testing things through AI lolz" thing is more attractive to trolls than to say "DF tests things through professional testers and they also utilize AI." And they are done doing that testing, they are in closed beta now with a handful of people to get feedback on the game and do last minute bug fixe.

an open beta IS SCHEDULED. Back when release was 08 Tasos said open beta would end early december. Now it probably moved a month forward so it will end in early January. (I doubt it will be longer than 2 weeks but we'll see) And THAT's how they will test server strength: through open beta. Not through AI. Sure yall's concerns about server strength are valid if open beta fails to materialize, but until then y'all are clearly trolling.

Umm... you do realize there is a difference between something being "SCHEDULED", and something that is your opinion... right?

 

OPEN Beta WAS scheduled.  That schedule failed to produce an OPEN Beta.  There has been no official word on when/if it will be re-scheduled.  

 

The best we can do now is hope they do RE-schedule it.  But until that actually happens... it's misleading to say that it is "SCHEDULED".

well ok maybe scheduled was a bad word: a better word is "planning" or how about "when the game was to be released in 08 they scheduled an open beta, but now we know the release IS NOT in 08, so I'm inferencing that they pushed beta back a month like the release date. At the VERY least we know that open beta is on their minds and they are not oblivious to it. And, they don't need an open beta to stress test, but will PROBABLY have one, not 100% sure, but they did say we would get to try the game before buying it."

Yes, that would probably be understood by all to reflect our known information.

I do think they are planning or at least hope to have an OPEN Beta as well.  It is also logical to make the assumption that they would have the OPEN Beta about 2-3 weeks from Release (as that was their schedule before).

With that being said... it sure wouldn't hurt for Tasos to OFFICIALLY put something to that effect out there for the public so that we would then know one way or the other. 

They won't be able to test it properly until they open up the beta to the general public. Hopefully they will be smart enough to do this at least 2-3 weeks before release. If not they are just asking for problems. No AI or bot server stress test can compare with 6000-10000 actual players trying to log in and play. They won't know for sure how the server-side software will react until this happens.

Bren

Originally posted by rageagainst

zomg, so many trolls, and no these guys aren't "skeptics" they are TROLLS!

they said they used professional testers primarily to test the game, and ALSO AI , but the "DF is testing things through AI lolz" thing is more attractive to trolls than to say "DF tests things through professional testers and they also utilize AI." And they are done doing that testing, they are in closed beta now with a handful of people to get feedback on the game and do last minute bug fixes and to find how the game runs on different hardware configs.

First, there is no proof they are using professional testers, and secondly, how can a game with such a low budget afford professional testers?

an open beta IS SCHEDULED. Back when release was 08 Tasos said open beta would end early december. Now it probably moved a month forward so it will end in early January. (I doubt it will be longer than 2 weeks but we'll see) And THAT's how they will test server strength: through open beta. Not through AI. Sure yall's concerns about server strength are valid if open beta fails to materialize, but until then y'all are clearly trolling.

Because 2 weeks is definitely enough time to fix any major server issues when they are ACTUALLY stress tested. Right...

EDIT: yeah @ above poster, there are ways to test server strength other than open beta, but they are having an open beta so w/e

So in short, you are simply labeling anyone that doesn't blindly follow like you do a troll.