Originally posted by Honkie

lol, Tasos is an ass.  He just came across like a defensive jerk throughout the first 2/3 of that.  He really shouldn't be doing the PR for that game.

Oh I don't know, he didn't seem to have any reason at all to be defensive /sarcasm

That doesn't invalidate anything that I said.

Originally posted by Domenicus

You, however, is the only one asking for ´credentials´... Which is pretty pathetic...  This is a FORUM, everyone in here is ´pulling it out of our asses´ if you havent noticed. The main difference between you and those, are not the ´credentials´, but the utterly lack of understanding of what is a forum. A forum is a place to discuss ideas, agree with those or not. Attacking the ones who have put his idea on a forum is simply stupid, asking for his ´credentials of the ´MMO-world arena´ is stupid AND egocentric.
 

Its like when someone tells that did not like the soup and you ask him ´what his crdentials for the world cuisine´... Those lines put there are MY idea, and not mine only. Wanna comment them, fine... Dont have how to do it (for lack of arguments or intelligence)? then do not post in here instead of argumenting ´ad hominen´ (Attacking the one who made the statement since the statement itself cant be attacked), its jut too low, even for a MMO forum.

The difference, also between you and Tasos is, taht Tasos is doing that for the money (of course, and thats not a critic, far from that, its something totally expected, he is selling his game), but you are doing because...? Oh, yeah, to save the ´honor´ of the game of people like me... No, dont worry, I am not asking for your credentials of the ´world mmo-arena´, I would just sound stupid...

By the way, this ´pause´ in the real discussion was healthy because made me remember something that I havent spoke of yey. Worst than good concepts going bad because of bad developers is the fanboys who support them. Fanboys are the cancer of any wannabe-complex-and-good-MMO, because they feed the egos of the wrong people of MMO industry, blind the market for the truth and utterly destroy any hope of a good game, for their irrational behavior.

Well said. I only wanted to add that if push came to shove and for some stupid odd reason we did have to show our credentials, then Tasos would have to be first. He hasn't really produced anything before, has he? If he has, Ill take my comment back. But if he hasn't, then he is just like me or you, a regular Joe who is making a game... or so he says he does.

Originally posted by nileq

Incase you don't know how this works here's a quicklist for you:

1. You make a statement; in this case a future-scrying/prediction the usual stuff that people that for some reason DON'T want a new game to succed.. (can't for the life of me figure out why though..)
2. You get challanged for your statement
3. You provide some sort of evidens/logic for your statement
4. Let the arguing commence!

Now what happend in this particular case was the following:

1. A person wrote some pertty stupid analysis on this forum, with no logic or evidence.
2. I called him out and asked for above.
3. Several other (you included) entered the discussion trying to call me out (on no grounds)
4. The fist persons comment is now discarded as trolling and so are you.

only one problem remains; you'r ass is full of shit so watch it when you pull stuff form there.

New troll rhyme:
not-vapor-but-TASOS-is-bashing-me-for-bashing-his-game-and-I-got-scared..

 *Edited to save space

You lost any and all credibility after this post. GG

Hey Stradden,

You interviewed Tasos and no doubt you spoke with him on an unofficial level.

Can you be so good as to give us your opinion after having spoken with Tasos on that unofficial level, on whether or not you feel and believe DarkFall is indeed almost ready for release?

One other thing. It is now the 12th December 2008. More than a FEW days have passed since we all here were informed that a release date will be out "in a few days".

A couple = 2

A few = 3-4

Several = 5-9

I, and many others am sure will appreciate your feedback on the above.

Axxiss

Originally posted by Axxiss

Hey Stradden,

You interviewed Tasos and no doubt you spoke with him on an unofficial level.

Can you be so good as to give us your opinion after having spoken with Tasos on that unofficial level, on whether or not you feel and believe DarkFall is indeed almost ready for release?

One other thing. It is now the 12th December 2008. More than a FEW days have passed since we all here were informed that a release date will be out "in a few days".

A couple = 2

A few = 3-4

Several = 5-9

I, and many others am sure will appreciate your feedback on the above.

 

Axxiss

How was your trip under the rock? A lot of things have happened since you were gone. Release Date was announcened a while ago, January 22nd.

With a "fanbase" like this, I'm really going to hate chatting in this game.

Originally posted by Elaysia

I've read alot of posts that keep talking about the lack of  advertisment and his response to word of mouth. If anyone has ever played Ultima Online, then they damn well know word of mouth is the BEST way to reel people in.  I played UO for 7 years. I myself got at least 20 people playing it, in turn they told their friends, so on and so forth.  It also makes you feel more connected to the game.. like it's your game.

I liked that he was real in his answers and thought the questions was pretty much what needed to be asked. I want this game to succeed. There is alot of info, alot of screenshots and a good bit of gameplay in the videos I have seen. Looks like it's ready to me. If he wants to take more time, that's cool with me. It needs to be a smooth launch so that it doesn't go the way of Vanguard and many others.

Also, I read in the beta forums a release date of Jan 22, 2009, for Europe. NA can play it, not sure when it will be released in NA though. I haven't read all the posts so I wasn't sure if that had been mentioned yet.

Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.

The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.

Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.

Originally posted by Soundbyte

Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.

 

The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.

 

Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.

I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?

Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.

A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by Soundbyte

Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.

 

The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.

 

Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.

 

I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?

Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.

A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.

Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos.

Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.

What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another.

I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad).

DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch).

I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...

Originally posted by Domenicus

What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another.

I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad).

DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch).

I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...

 

ghost beta wtf are you talking about

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by Soundbyte

Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.

 

The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.

 

Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.

 

I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?

Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.

A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.

 

Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos.

Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.

Again the word is "skepticism", learn the difference, when you use the word "hate" in such an improper manner it just lends to other derogatory labels. Also using desultery words like "Carebears" just lessens others opinion of you.  Trying to demean others because they don't enjoy the same play style as you, just negates any opinions you might express.

I don't think that anyone that has two feet on the ground is worried about Darkfall being successful. A harsh world like they are proposing will never have a large audience, that is a given.  So who is the egocentric on here?

Originally posted by Aragon100
 

Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos.

Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.

I think people who play non-open PvP games would only rejoice when annoying little kids who love open PvP only because they can kill someone 10 levels below them with no consequences. So no, you are wrong there.

Most people dont really have any solid info on DF, so their "hate" that you think they have is not hate but just legit doubt.

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Most people dont really have any solid info on DF, so their "hate" that you think they have is not hate but just legit doubt.

The problem with this is that it's just so false: there is more info out there for Darkfall than for any other pre-launch MMO....

Originally posted by Soundbyte

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Most people dont really have any solid info on DF, so their "hate" that you think they have is not hate but just legit doubt.

 

The problem with this is that it's just so false: there is more info out there for Darkfall than for any other pre-launch MMO....

 

 

I don't think so bro, It falls way short.

Originally posted by stayontarget

I don't think so bro, It falls way short.

prove it. link me the compiled info for another *pre-release* MMO that has more released info.

most people who troll and diss Darkfall are apparently just not bright enough to use google...

Originally posted by Soundbyte

Originally posted by stayontarget

I don't think so bro, It falls way short.

 

prove it. link me the compiled info for another *pre-release* MMO that has more released info.

 

most people who troll and diss Darkfall are apparently just not bright enough to use google...

Here's proof... there is no open beta. Anything you say may be just a PR or an advertisement. Only public access to a game would mean that there is enough information about the game to make a valid opinion. Anything private is just that, an opinion of someone who is affiliated with the game. Even if there is a preview by an independent magazine or game website, even then its just one single opinion. Definitely not enough.

If there is no public beta or public access to the game, then anything you read about DF may be propaganda, trollism, fanboism, advertisement or just simply outdated information. And we all know that game changes so much that what you are told is now, may not be so at the release.

Wow.  Awesome interview from Tasos.  Terrible questioning, MMORPG.com really missed an opportunity to ask good, technical questions and specific gameplay mechanics questions.  Even if Tasos had refused to answer every single one, the attempt would have been laudable.

I love how annoyed Tasos became with the aweful "vapo" questions.  He really poked this community in the eye, which is by far the worst gaming community I've ever come across.  I'm very happy to see that.  MMORPG.com posters are a tiny portion of the gaming community and are not representative of the overall population by any stretch.  Most people have figured out that if you want to actually discuss the game, darkfall.com forums are the place to do it, not this trashy site.

Nice work Tasos.

Originally posted by Andromedus1

Wow.  Awesome interview from Tasos.  Terrible questioning, MMORPG.com really missed an opportunity to ask good, technical questions and specific gameplay mechanics questions.  Even if Tasos had refused to answer every single one, the attempt would have been laudable.

I love how annoyed Tasos became with the aweful "vapo" questions.  He really poked this community in the eye, which is by far the worst gaming community I've ever come across.  I'm very happy to see that.  MMORPG.com posters are a tiny portion of the gaming community and are not representative of the overall population by any stretch.  Most people have figured out that if you want to actually discuss the game, darkfall.com forums are the place to do it, not this trashy site.

Nice work Tasos.

Now that is kind of funny, since you can't discuss anything on the Darkfall forums because of all the noise from blind faith adherents.  Most of us realists have seen this happen time after time.   Great expectations dashed upon gameplay of a month or two.  While anything is possible, the attitude of Tasos prepares most of us for the expected crash of expectations.

I think the only tiny portion of the gaming community are those that post on the Darkfall forums.  I have seen more nonsense posted there then anywhere else.   

Here is what you are going to see come January.  The game will release and most probably work decently at the lower levels of play.  Expect a lot of promised functions to either be not in game, turned off or not working correctly.   The best thing is to expect a mediocre game at first and hope they have the time to fix it before the funders pull the plug.

Hopefully this won't be another Dark and Light episode.  Remember Eve started out a bit shaky, but it is doing pretty well now, so small indy shops can be a success.