Originally posted by Kesran

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by miagisan

why would i be jealous...i think you are all comical and fun to poke at :)

 

i got more important things to do than compare video games to suicidal engineers. It's a hobby, a past time, which i find amusing (and sad) that people take it so serious

 

If you didn't take it seriously, you wouldn't be trolling a forum dedicated to this hobby.

 

Well there's 'taking it seriously', and 'taking it way too seriously'.

When people start comparing SOE making ill-conceived changes to a videogame with faulty japanese engineering causing the loss of life as 'the horrors of what history has written, which category do you think that falls under ?

Comments like that do absolutely nothing to help what you're trying to do. Personally, I don't currently play any SOE games but if they ever do make any that I like, then sure I'll give it a go.

There's 2 types of people: those who'll do something, then those who make excuses to not do anything.

When the latter is robbed, the first thing they'll scream is, "THIEF!!!", instead of "I'm a sucka for not protecting myself!"

Wiser folks can read the writing on the wall, and take measures to protect themselves, not depend on others to be their super heros for them.

Originally posted by UNATCOII

Originally posted by Kesran

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by miagisan

why would i be jealous...i think you are all comical and fun to poke at :)

 

i got more important things to do than compare video games to suicidal engineers. It's a hobby, a past time, which i find amusing (and sad) that people take it so serious

 

If you didn't take it seriously, you wouldn't be trolling a forum dedicated to this hobby.

 

Well there's 'taking it seriously', and 'taking it way too seriously'.

When people start comparing SOE making ill-conceived changes to a videogame with faulty japanese engineering causing the loss of life as 'the horrors of what history has written, which category do you think that falls under ?

Comments like that do absolutely nothing to help what you're trying to do. Personally, I don't currently play any SOE games but if they ever do make any that I like, then sure I'll give it a go.

 

There's 2 types of people: those who'll do something, then those who make excuses to not do anything.

When the latter is robbed, the first thing they'll scream is, "THIEF!!!", instead of "I'm a sucka for not protecting myself!"

Wiser folks can read the writing on the wall, and take measures to protect themselves, not depend on others to be their super heros for them.

Very profound - and without actually saying anything relevant or of any real meaning too. Well done

Originally posted by Kesran

Originally posted by UNATCOII

Originally posted by Kesran

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by miagisan

why would i be jealous...i think you are all comical and fun to poke at :)

 

i got more important things to do than compare video games to suicidal engineers. It's a hobby, a past time, which i find amusing (and sad) that people take it so serious

 

If you didn't take it seriously, you wouldn't be trolling a forum dedicated to this hobby.

 

Well there's 'taking it seriously', and 'taking it way too seriously'.

When people start comparing SOE making ill-conceived changes to a videogame with faulty japanese engineering causing the loss of life as 'the horrors of what history has written, which category do you think that falls under ?

Comments like that do absolutely nothing to help what you're trying to do. Personally, I don't currently play any SOE games but if they ever do make any that I like, then sure I'll give it a go.

 

There's 2 types of people: those who'll do something, then those who make excuses to not do anything.

When the latter is robbed, the first thing they'll scream is, "THIEF!!!", instead of "I'm a sucka for not protecting myself!"

Wiser folks can read the writing on the wall, and take measures to protect themselves, not depend on others to be their super heros for them.

 

Very profound - and without actually saying anything relevant or of any real meaning too. Well done

 

BTW, your stats are askewed in your other post. The subscribers you bandied were at their peak, BEFORE competition (when a game is the only one in town, like Doom and Quake were, yeah, numbers will be higher).

Sony loves monopolies and seems to work only when they operate like one.

When drivebys like to think of themselves as smart, best they back it up their stats with facts.

Next...

BTW, your stats are askewed in your other post. The subscribers you bandied were at their peak, BEFORE competition (when a game is the only one in town, like Doom and Quake were, yeah, numbers will be higher).

Sony loves monopolies and seems to work only when they operate like one.

When drivebys like to think of themselves as smart, best they back it up their stats with facts.

Next...

Other post? You're going to have to be a bit more specific I'm afraid I don't visit these boards often and don't recall which post you are referring too. And I'm afraid I just don't get the drivebys reference either, like the super heroes one??

I posted here regarding your comparing the public outrcy after a Japanese air disaster with  supposed player outrage at SOE's marketing and development decisions over a video game, and I'm sorry but still think that was (at best) tasteless and taking the whole Sony-hate thing way too seriously...

Still, of you point me towards my other post I'll happily take a look and answer your comments regarding my 'skewed stats' :)

Originally posted by Kesran

BTW, your stats are askewed in your other post. The subscribers you bandied were at their peak, BEFORE competition (when a game is the only one in town, like Doom and Quake were, yeah, numbers will be higher).

Sony loves monopolies and seems to work only when they operate like one.

When drivebys like to think of themselves as smart, best they back it up their stats with facts.

Next...

 

Other post? You're going to have to be a bit more specific I'm afraid I don't visit these boards often and don't recall which post you are referring too. And I'm afraid I just don't get the drivebys reference either, like the super heroes one??

I posted here regarding your comparing the public outrcy after a Japanese air disaster with  supposed player outrage at SOE's marketing and development decisions over a video game, and I'm sorry but still think that was (at best) tasteless and taking the whole Sony-hate thing way too seriously...

Still, of you point me towards my other post I'll happily take a look and answer your comments regarding my 'skewed stats' :)

Originally posted by UNATCOII

Originally posted by Kesran

Other post? You're going to have to be a bit more specific I'm afraid I don't visit these boards often and don't recall which post you are referring too. And I'm afraid I just don't get the drivebys reference either, like the super heroes one??

I posted here regarding your comparing the public outrcy after a Japanese air disaster with  supposed player outrage at SOE's marketing and development decisions over a video game, and I'm sorry but still think that was (at best) tasteless and taking the whole Sony-hate thing way too seriously...

Still, of you point me towards my other post I'll happily take a look and answer your comments regarding my 'skewed stats' :)

 

 

lol - is that because I hold a different view than yourself?? I think that about sums up the tone of those who post threads such as this. Still, at least I was spared another meaningless aphorism

*edit* ahh I think I actually found the post you refer too! the charts I referenced in those posts were actually linked to by Fishermage (not by me) who was using them to argue SOE was failing - I was just struggling to understand his interpretation of the charts which, from reading my posts again, seem to have contained data from 2007 (when in fact there were actually quite a few mmo's about - you must have noticed! ).

In the end we agreed to differ in our interpretation. Hope that clears things up for you

Im no hate monger, i mean i might sound like a flammer, now but, pre nge was good, not the greatest but it was good and SoE is mostly a company that looks towards short term financial gains rather than a stable long term finabcial status and it isnt that great too its customers.

Originally posted by Kesran

Originally posted by UNATCOII

Originally posted by Kesran

Other post? You're going to have to be a bit more specific I'm afraid I don't visit these boards often and don't recall which post you are referring too. And I'm afraid I just don't get the drivebys reference either, like the super heroes one??

I posted here regarding your comparing the public outrcy after a Japanese air disaster with  supposed player outrage at SOE's marketing and development decisions over a video game, and I'm sorry but still think that was (at best) tasteless and taking the whole Sony-hate thing way too seriously...

Still, of you point me towards my other post I'll happily take a look and answer your comments regarding my 'skewed stats' :)

 

 

 

lol - is that because I hold a different view than yourself?? I think that about sums up the tone of those who post threads such as this. Still, at least I was spared another meaningless aphorism

*edit* ahh I think I actually found the post you refer too! the charts I referenced in those posts were actually linked to by Fishermage (not by me) who was using them to argue SOE was failing - I was just struggling to understand his interpretation of the charts which, from reading my posts again, seem to have contained data from 2007 (when in fact there were actually quite a few mmo's about - you must have noticed! ).

In the end we agreed to differ in our interpretation. Hope that clears things up for you

History has a way to bite certain folks right in the ....

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2079882#2079882

Originally posted by UNATCOII

 

History has a way to bite certain folks right in the ....

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2079882#2079882

Is that the right link?? That's to a post about a Vanguard advertising campaign that I was having trouble viewing in my browser? (turns out it might have been (as another poster suggests in the same thread) that I was using firefox instead of IE).

I don't think anyone mentions any stats in that post at all?

Originally posted by Reklaw

The reason why I react the way I did in this topic is because all these years I've seen so many topics about boycott game X or company X, and what do we have now a very dumped down with more forms of RMT options into these games then before.

So if all those boycotts in the past never did anything postive towards this industry isn't it wiser to start thinking about other measure's?

What makes people actualy think this time might be different?

It just takes time I guess. The problem is that anyone who isn't used to MMO will just prefer the F2P method because the cash shops aren't really obvious at first and people don't realise that at one point they will become enticed to buy items. 

What company are you guys talking about?

What game are you guys talking about?

Sorry, I'm a bit lost.

Originally posted by miagisan

you seriously have issues.....seriously...comparing a video game to a plane crash. And it is never honorable to take ones own life....jesus wth is wrong with you people....they are friggen video games

Word!  I completely agree.  Comparing a terrible real-life disaster to your own pitiful little dislike of a video game company is just ridiculous.  Not to mention, lame as hell. 

Originally posted by UNATCOII

 

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Originally posted by Bigdavo
Why are you continuously linking random threads that have absolutely no relevance to the topic? Wth...

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Posts. A little check will show you that. A little reading will show you why.

 

hmm I think you're missing his point - that the posts you are linking too don't really seem to have any relevance and seem to be chosen from my posting history at random. (I can't speak for killer4hire, as I haven't bothered reading his posting history, or even yours)

And as for your response to me (which I can't be bothered making a seperate post to) - the whole 'who and why do they post'  and 'read their posting history thing...I really am at a loss to understand. I originally posted in this thread to say that I found your comments re: comparisons with air disasters tasteless (and still do - and the fact that you feel such remarks are 'nothing to answer'  when people criticise you for it says a lot about you) and fail to see how you can find anything in those remarks beyond what they were.

Let me try and make my original post clearer for you then. Comaparing public outrage at an air disaster which caused a large loss of life with outrage caused by a videogame publisher (any videogame publisher) is crass and tasteless. I suspect that's the point killer4hire was making too.

Either you really don't understand that, and are genuinly convinced that anyone levelling any criticism at you must have a 'hidden agenda' of some sort, or you do realise perfectly well what I meant and are simply blustering away with random links to try to..well, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve in that case.

Bumping threads with no content though - well, I suppose I could be accused of that if you count my bothering to respond to your posts, which increasingly seem without any actual content beyond vague 'hints' and cryptic links only you seem to see the relevance of...

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Originally posted by Kesran
Either you really don't understand that, and are genuinly convinced that anyone levelling any criticism at you must have a 'hidden agenda' of some sort, or you do realise perfectly well what I meant and are simply blustering away with random links to try to..well, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve in that case.

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I don't actually care if they don't like what I write. I don't care what they think of it.

But commercial sites that get their income from ads from publishers and distros, you EXPECT threads to have industry types and/or their paid fanbois to try to put a spin on their industry and products.

So, yes, when so-called fanbois raise a stink; and come out of the woodwork with older accounts even, any forum admin (let alone aware moderator) can be suspicious, especially if their posting history reflects what they're in a thread for (and as easily as they drop in aware of the content, and who's posting, unlike someone truly new).

Furthermore, it also doesn't even address the abuse of sockpuppets.

Gamers usually don't care about opinions, they know like anyone they're like buttholes. Industry types are more concerned, and they're the type that will do the "Hey MOD!" routine and various other antics to try to spin a topic their way. You can spot them by their actions, to the point of trolling, and especially when they have the God-complex (forgetting they're not on home turf).

Don't play innocent, as heavy hitters know the "game".

The funny thing is I guess I am doing a boycott of SOE.

The best part is it was something I decided to do from following the discussion between SOE Employees and people playing Rangers in EQ2.

*I* don't even play a Ranger.. I think I had one once and deleted it.. years ago.

It would take to much text to detail it.. but it just really came to me that no matter how much data was given to show the "dev" was wrong.. his only reply was "you don't see the whole picture".

Which basicly lead me back to..

Game = entertainment.

Entertainment = Fun.

Most any MMO I play <> Fun.

So in the end I think you can see I am currently boycotting the entire industry...

I find it odd because I liked UO and EQ (represent the two basic design choices) more than any current MMO.  They also had far harsher penalties than any current MMO.  They probably had more "challenge" than any current MMO.. as much as any "game" can have anyway.

Everything that Developers are currently doing.. somehow just pisses me off.

So I guess I'm on the Boycott team.. I just added more than SOE to my list.

It has occured to you, of course, that perhaps some people just don't come to the forums very often (work, life, actually playing games etc...), and so post irregularly for that reason? And that for some people, forums are just another form of communication with people with similar interests, and so opinions are actually quite interesting to them?

'fanbois' is a term I do understand, but fail to see how I could be labelled as such. In the posts I linked to earlier (the one I thought you meant when you were going on about stats) that was mentioned, but I pointed out I wasn't actually bothered whether SOE succeeded or failed. And in my original post on this thread I mentioned I'm not actually playing any SOE games at the moment (in fact, I'm playing WAR and CoX, when I get the time which isn't as frequently as I'd like lately). Am assuming it's SOE I'm supposed to be a 'fanboi' of, given the topic of this thread.

Am genuinely curious as to what you mean by 'sockpuppets' in a forum context though

And am definitly interested in how does one become a paid 'fanboi'! 

Seems to me the industry is pretty stagnant Antarious, with most new games seeming to be WoW clones - not that WoW's a neccesarily bad game (after all, lots of people do like it!) but when the variety and choice gets so stifled, I think you'll probably see more and more people making the same choice as yourself and walking away from MMo's for a while...

Boycotting SOE is a no brainer.  Attempting to defend SOE is an excercise in futility.  You can expect ridicule defending them because their current direction is reaching the no return stage. 

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Boycotting SOE is a no brainer.  Attempting to defend SOE is an excercise in futility.  You can expect ridicule defending them because their current direction is reaching the no return stage. 

Amen.

The ones defending SoE are...

1. Industry types.

2. Players with 10+ characters leveled up and scared if their investment will crash (and will accept anything SoE says and does to prevent it); and/or has as Station account with other SoE games with characters.

3. Vets who expect some cash and/or ingame token for "loyalty" (as history shows this is how SoE pays "insiders" to prop their game).

4. Those who live in denial that what some else does with their time, doesn't affect them (totally untrue).

5. And the worse, the gold sellers/farmers and content sellers trying to defend their crimes.

Either one has a pathological reason to defend SoE, any way it's sliced and diced.

Americans, especially, don't like to spend extra if they don't have, too. Heck, we went to war over taxes alone! Defending taking more money out of a gamer's pocket for content -- that they're paying for in the first place -- is like asking them to accept additional fees and other various nickel and diming them out of their cash.

No one likes it except those with vested interests.

...or those with no real interest in how one corporation does over another, especially one that develops and markets videogames (and am talking SOE rather than Sony as a corp, who I don't think are probably any more unethical than other major electornics manufacturers).

Sorry, but there are far more important things in the world to get wound up about (faulty aeronautical safety standards, for example, or how about the wars that America is actually fighting (and not over taxes either), or the large corps that pollute the environment to produce plastics for PCs or electricity to run them - presumably you take a very ethical stance about all these too...) that this issue is a bit of a non-starter for me.

Come to that, at what point in this thread did I start defending SOE?? People saying that the similies being used in the argument had become crass and exaggerated is hardly the same as defending the target of those similies, is it? And like I said earlier, when you start using such examples, you are actually doing more harm than good to your cause...

Still, good luck with your 'boycott'...

Originally posted by UNATCOII

Originally posted by killer4hire

Originally posted by miagisan

you seriously have issues.....seriously...comparing a video game to a plane crash. And it is never honorable to take ones own life....jesus wth is wrong with you people....they are friggen video games

 

Word!  I completely agree.  Comparing a terrible real-life disaster to your own pitiful little dislike of a video game company is just ridiculous.  Not to mention, lame as hell. 

 

Took no longer than a minute to find this gem...

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1326105#1326105

Is SoE paying these guys now???

Oh, I'm sure SOE is paying people to post in forums just like this one as part of their viral marketing scams.  I'm willing to bet a few of them have posted in this very thread.
 

I've been without SOE for about 8 years now.  I will never forgive them for ruining my beloved EQ!

Sony free in general.  I know that SOE and sony are somewhat separate but the ps3 was shipped early over priced and for the life of me I still don't see a reason to own it at this time(blueray is not the now its the future).  Funny when they gave me a few months of time in EQII with the expansions I started to get a bit soft on them, granted I will never forget what they did to my fav game of all time (SWG pre-suck), but honestly microtransactions in your pay per month flagship product?  Its not hard to hate a company that seems to have the same disdain for the consumer as we have for them at this time.

I honestly was shocked when looking at the threads on the EQII forums about the changes, people were so pissed but they pretty much accepted the fact that SOE doesn't give a crap what they want and will generally do the opposite.  Honestly guys how many times does a company have to take a figurative dump on you before you move out of the way.  Smed makes hating SOE, and if thats the type of guys running sony in general,then hating SONY easy.  They are money grubbing completely out of touch with the player base and they will lie like a politician in a close race right to your face, right before screwing you over.

Well boycotting EA-games has not worked for me yet, I dont see them putting any of the plethora of mmo's they shitcanned back up as I was a and still am a die hard earth and beyond fan http://www.wiki4mmo.com/index.php?title=MMORPG_Graveyard

Does anyone have any website making skills?  I just thought it would be nice to pass along the word through a site and have a center where people can talk and discuss an SOE boycott.