Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

Yes, but this time its true.

I am still thinking.. that if SC is so successful they they HAVE to hired new people just for it.

That the games they run might have been more successful if they had hired more people for those.  Especially EQ2.. before the current crafting Dev (forget her name) there was a guy trying to fix/finish the system.  One...

How many did they hire for SC and how many more are they going to hire now?

In all the games they run how many subs might have been lost due to fixes not coming or anything remotely related to if they had more staff.

See the thing is I'm not trying to flame soe or even station cash.

I'm just thinking that if they had used this same mentality (to hire more people) they may have had a much higher long term retention rate.. which would have lead to more profit.

They still won't do that.. but they will hire more people to make sure station cash is up to par.

Somehow I guess I just don't understand.  Altho I suppose it is much easier to hire someone with the ability to process a transaction.. compared to someone who can actually create/fix anything.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

Yeah, sure it is.

I absolutely love absolutes posted by people that have zero clue.

sort of like what the haters post?

Starcraft is successful indeed.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

 

Yeah, sure it is.

I absolutely love absolutes posted by people that have zero clue.

So you have the income reports for the station cash?

Sweet, post away.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

I have no doubt they will sell a lot of this ingame garbage.  Just like I have no doubt that they will elevate the type of items they sell.  I doubt it is as wildly popular as they claim, much like their many other claims to fame in the past.  We all know how truthful SOE is afterall.

What really disturbs me is that SOE knows this will drive some of their customers away and they are fine with that.  You can read it straight from Bruce Fergusons interview how they factor in the subscriber loss when they plan this crap.  For years their business plans have always factored in throwing chucks of their players underneath the bus while they try to grab a buck. 

It is equally as bothersome that so many people say it won't affect them personally so everyone else should just shut up and leave.  The level of indifference shown over the years by the subscribers is stunning to say the least. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

 

I have no doubt they will sell a lot of this ingame garbage.  Just like I have no doubt that they will elevate the type of items they sell.  I doubt it is as wildly popular as they claim, much like their many other claims to fame in the past.  We all know how truthful SOE is afterall.

 

With the current population, no. With the population they will attract, oh god yes. The largest MMO's in the world have item shops/malls.

Fact.

Originally posted by anakinsella

I don't see why all the fuss about this, just seems like another people QQ about without really understanding RTM.

 

Until they fuck with the balancing of the game, and most of the stuff is vanity, there is no reason to bitch about any RTM in any game.

/agree

I see a lot of posts about having one or the other, but not both. Sure seems like they're doing both. Of course with people being so cravenly conservative or liberal these days, it's no wonder that the majority doesn't understand that the free market works to make money and nothing else. Looks to me like Sony is doing what EVERY major corporate entity does. They're exploring money making options, and like other companies they'll likely only keep it if it proves lucrative.

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Originally posted by Daffid011
What really disturbs me is that SOE knows this will drive some of their customers away and they are fine with that.  You can read it straight from Bruce Fergusons interview how they factor in the subscriber loss when they plan this crap.  For years their business plans have always factored in throwing chucks of their players underneath the bus while they try to grab a buck. 
 
It is equally as bothersome that so many people say it won't affect them personally so everyone else should just shut up and leave.  The level of indifference shown over the years by the subscribers is stunning to say the least. 

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Which is even more reason why NOT to subscribe to SoE games.

If they expect subscribers to leave, they have no commitment to do anything to improve the game. So why waste money being their marketing experiement (and departing with your cash)?

P.T. Barnum was so right -- suckers are born everyday. Those are lost players. For the players who value more than their subscription fee, they know rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic is a fruitless enterprise, and leave before the ship sinks.

you know whats funny, i have been playing eq2 for over 2 months now, and i would have never known the station shop thingy was there if it wasnt for the haters Yeah it impacts the game hugely lemme tell ya! /jumps back into frostfell

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
With the current population, no. With the population they will attract, oh god yes. The largest MMO's in the world have item shops/malls.
 
Fact.
 
 

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Ever the more reason to encourage and support Indie MMO development.

Fact.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

 

Yeah, sure it is.

I absolutely love absolutes posted by people that have zero clue.

So you have the income reports for the station cash?

 

Sweet, post away.

 

I never made any claims. Go ahead and re-read my post, no claims, Simply personal views. You made claims as facts.

Honestly I'm starting to believe you are just a troll that comes on here and posts controversial things to try and get a response from people, which is pretty much all you have done in the posts I've seen from you.

This is all your opinion.

FACT.

Originally posted by miagisan

This is all your opinion.

 

FACT.

Just a little tid bit of info, quoting someone really helps everyone else understand who you are responding to when you post. It's easy, just click the "quote" button instead of the "reply" button.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

 

I have no doubt they will sell a lot of this ingame garbage.  Just like I have no doubt that they will elevate the type of items they sell.  I doubt it is as wildly popular as they claim, much like their many other claims to fame in the past.  We all know how truthful SOE is afterall.

 

 

With the current population, no. With the population they will attract, oh god yes. The largest MMO's in the world have item shops/malls.

 

Fact.

 

 

Somehow you are concluding that an item mall on top of a subscription will somehow attract more people to play EQ2?

Lets be realistic here.  Nothing SOE has done to date was successful in attracting people to play EQ2 in any sizable amounts and they have tried many ways to get new subscribers.  From drastically altering the game with every expansion and "revamp" in attempts to cater to certain player bases, begging former players to rejoin with all manner of rewards, practically giving the entire game and expansion away for free, coupons for expansions and so on.  In fact I can think of several occasions which SOE initiatives have driven their numbers down.  

Why would repeating the madness that is SOE be any different on this occasion?

P.S. The largest MMOs with item malls also started out with them and are free to play.  How do you think those games would fare if the next patch suddenly put a $14.95/month subscription fee on top of those item malls?

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by miagisan

This is all your opinion.

 

FACT.

 

Just a little tid bit of info, quoting someone really helps everyone else understand who you are responding to when you post. It's easy, just click the "quote" button instead of the "reply" button.

i like to keep people guessing

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

 

I have no doubt they will sell a lot of this ingame garbage.  Just like I have no doubt that they will elevate the type of items they sell.  I doubt it is as wildly popular as they claim, much like their many other claims to fame in the past.  We all know how truthful SOE is afterall.

 

 

With the current population, no. With the population they will attract, oh god yes. The largest MMO's in the world have item shops/malls.

 

Fact.

 

 

 

Somehow you are concluding that an item mall on top of a subscription will somehow attract more people to play EQ2?

 

Lets be realistic here.  Nothing SOE has done to date was successful in attracting people to play EQ2 in any sizable amounts and they have tried many ways to get new subscribers.  From drastically altering the game with every expansion and "revamp" in attempts to cater to certain player bases, begging former players to rejoin with all manner of rewards, practically giving the entire game and expansion away for free, coupons for expansions and so on.  In fact I can think of several occasions which SOE initiatives have driven their numbers down.  

Why would repeating the madness that is SOE be any different on this occasion?

Yeah, claiming an item mall on top of a subscription fee will bring in waves of new players shows he is just a very bad troll

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Honestly I'm starting to believe you are just a troll that comes on here and posts controversial things to try and get a response from people, which is pretty much all you have done in the posts I've seen from you.

Learn to read better then.

Originally posted by Daffid011  

Somehow you are concluding that an item mall on top of a subscription will somehow attract more people to play EQ2? 

No, SOE is. I am sure they have the market numbers to justify it. Try reading my replies in context to what I was responding to. My comment was about popularity of the items with the current subscribers, and new. Not really about attracting new users.

Old users "care" new users wont give a shitt, because they are not jaded, and feel entitled like the old.

Those 2 replys get the "I win the internet" reward. Though Im sure there were many just like those.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

Oh yes, and you know that because..................?
They said this for NGE too, so how come I don't believe this one.

Also I want to point out that, surely they will make money out of it, no doubt about it.
The failure in introducing the RMT is not that people won't use it, it has more to do with future prospects of SoE rather than today.

The fact is that many people will leave SoE after this RMT crap, the customers that will stay will use RMT and they will make up for the lost customers, so in that sence it will be succesful.
Problem is that after all the messing around with all their games, all the lies and deceiving, after the unwelcome introduction of RMT, SoE will have problems attracting new customers for their current and future games, while the ex-customer will stay far away from it.
SoE need the internet comunity to hype and sell its games, and at the moment it doesn't seems like they will be willing to give SoE an hand.
The Internet community is nasty when they band together, see what happened to WAR and AoC, you ned few hundred disgrunted people to start a chain reaction which in the end will ruin the changes of recovery for a game.
So the damage is more of a long term issue rather than a short term one, and SoE will see the results of their mischief when they will launch The Agency and DC Online.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Daffid011  

Somehow you are concluding that an item mall on top of a subscription will somehow attract more people to play EQ2? 

 

No, SOE is. I am sure they have the market numbers to justify it.

I sure bet they have all sorts of accounting and marketing data to justify their choices.  On that we can agree.   

Things seem to never turn out how the SOE numbers predict they will though.

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

 

Oh yes, and you know that because..................?

Because micro transactions are the revenue models of the future. In fact, they are the models of the now.

Just then.

The largest games are micro tans.

They outnumber subscription models.

The cost, and upkeep of them is less in terms of overhead for companies in regards to development, and upkeep.

It’s a proven model that is working even outside of the MMO world. Its also not new for SOE, or the games they have added it to.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Abrahmm

That post by SOE reminds me of the NGE as that was exactly how they responded then. They declared the NGE a booming success, and claimed a "vocal minority" was all that were complaining. 

 

Yes, but this time its true.

 

Oh yes, and you know that because..................?

 

Because micro transactions are the revenue models of the future. In fact, they are the models of the now.

Just then.

The largest games are micro tans. Many people will download and fire up a F2P game, only to play it for a week and delete it. I played Shaiya for about 2 days last year, so I guess I could be counted as a 'subscriber'...

They outnumber subscription models. Of course. It's the classic case of quantity vs. quality.

The cost, and upkeep of them is less in terms of overhead for companies in regards to development, and upkeep. How exactly is it cheaper to run a RMT game than a pure subscription game? If anything, I would think that keeping track of many smaller transactions as opposed to a single monthly recurring one would actually be more difficult.

It’s a proven model that is working even outside of the MMO world.