Originally posted by pewtpewt

its too bad you cant say anything about Darkfall, since only a very small group of beta testers and a couple of reviewers have actually played it. So you have no idea what the game is really like.

 

Yes, the devs could probably get rid of any trolls/critics easily, but they dont CARE. they already have a solid base of over 200k members on forums alone, with many more awaiting the game and not registered on forums. If you're so easily put off a game because some guys are running around screaming "VAPOURWARE", then good, go away. The lack of info released is what the devs want to do. They will release a game on January 22nd, 09, now that they have finally announced a release, and im sure many people, including myself, an avid darkfall fan, will get the free trial first, just to make sure our "dream game/rebirth of UO" is really there.

You know there is a big possibility that they will not release the game on Jan 22nd (IMO)... you have to swallow your words in pain. Why do you put so much trust and belief in this game / devs and holy mighty Tasos, not that they have proven something, but cheap words, promises, yada yada...

Darktide? Ok, AC had its moments, but it was still a farcry from the glory that UO used to be.

Anyway, stupid thread is stupid.

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Originally posted by daarco
I always hope my best MMO experiences will lay in the future and not in the past. Would be really bad if the best was already done : (

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Well said, this probably sums up every entire discussion started about darkfall and games from the past.

Very well said, Kudos!

The fact that the OP is touting AC as anything more than a decent pve mmo plainly disqualifies his opinion concerning anything related to pvp and Darkfall.

You are pitting an apple against not an orange, but a turd.  They are not trying to compete with your niche game, but rather provide pvp elements that have never been seen in any game, as well as a few that have that need to be implemented.  Of all the games that Darkfall has sampled pvp ideas from, AC would be on the bottom of the list if it would even be on the list at all.

This is a confused straw dummy argument.  Further responses are unmerited. 

So... because Darkfall MIGHT not be as good as AC-Darktide/UO pre-trammel, we should either give up on MMOs forever or go play WoW?

Right. Even if Darkfall is only 50% as good as the old school sandbox MMOs, that's still 50% more fun I'd be having than playing any MMO currently on the market.

 Most of what you say was stuff about Asheron's Call, not Darktide. Darktide was just a FFA PvP add on where people who could best abuse the rampant bugs in the game got ahead. 

Originally posted by daarco

I always hope my best MMO experiences will lay in the future and not in the past. Would be really bad if the best was already done : (

Wow, I thought I was the only optimist in this forum.

Really OP, to compare an unreleased game with something far in the past is just wrong, you have no way to know if DF will be ggod or not unless you are in the beta.

Personally I think that the next great PvP game will be Guildwars 2 but I basicly base that on knowledge of the first game together what I read about the upcomming one and I might be wrong. The good thing about the future is that it is unknown, and logically a better game will come around sooner or later than anything we seen so far, the future is infinate. DF will soon show us if it is worth all the fuss or not.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Evasia

They just have showed what darkfall will be they never hyped or promise anything you eather like it and follow it or not they dont force you to follow darkfall.
 

They even said play before you pay, so whats problem here they give you a chance to play it and if you dont like it you dont buy it simple as that.

And Darkfall surtenly dont have to proof anything its a game developed for hardcore sandbox skill based free for all full loot pvp, you eather play it or not its simple as that.

Or you guys want ac-darktide be only game for ever with 1k players max and no new game been developed in fantasy genre?

I dont undertsand hostillity towards Darkfall?

You wanne be stuck in past and dont want new games been developed?

 

They havent showed anything except for what they want us to see, which is excactly what DnL and Mourning did. Unless an unbiased reviewer gets their hand on Darkfall and give it a fair run for its money then this game is all about what the devs are saying. They have said that you can pay before you play, until that option is actually put on the table then it is another addition to the stuff that the devs had said but havent delivered.

And I dont understand your reasoning that just because it is said to be hardcore sandbox skill based free for all full loot pvp then it doesnt have to prove anything? In these time of MMORPG inflation then every MMORPG has to prove something before people will buy it. This is even more so because of the constant misinformation and overhypeness that MMORPG devs keep pouring out. AoC anyone? Mourning anyone? DnL anyone? VSOH anyone?

Devs want to have our money? Then they need to prove and convince us that they are delivering the next gen of MMORPG, not just say that they are.

So far the Darkfall devs hasnt done any of that and just claim it is because they dont have a marketing budget. Yeah, releasing an MMORPG these days without a good marketing strategy? Yeah good luck with that.

The existance of so many critics of this game is no others fault than the devs. They could squash all these doubts with a good marketing strategy and more openness about a game to be released in a month. They choose not to do so and this is the result.

 

i think all that stems with horrible pr (though this WILL affect the game maintainance, customer service? LOL! bug fixes and updates? LOL!) and not from some scam, if they aren't trying to take our money before we get to play like as Dark and Light did (and even Mortal Online... I really hope that game isn't a scame too...).

Get this straight, they HAVE no marketing strategy, the HAVE no PR, they have no idea what their doing in these areas, all they are trying to do is make a good game (or so they say, we will see). And you get to try it before you play it, if you are so convinced that its nothing but garbage and won't even try it, thats cool dude now buzz off. If you're waiting for them to "act professional" and do some start acing like normal devs, you're going to be sorely dissapointed so just stop following DF. These guys are tards when it comes to PR (lol everyone think our game is the vaporz, k guys lets give our closest friend access to beta and let her "review" it.)

Oh and for those waiting for a "unbaised" reviewer to review the game, i wouldn't hold your breath, just play the game for yourself before you buy it. Remember IGN gave Warhammer a 9, a NINE OUT OF TEN.

Originally posted by NeroScuro

So... because Darkfall MIGHT not be as good as AC-Darktide/UO pre-trammel, we should either give up on MMOs forever or go play WoW?

Right. Even if Darkfall is only 50% as good as the old school sandbox MMOs, that's still 50% more fun I'd be having than playing any MMO currently on the market.

Exactly.

Somebody give us something new or at least properly emulate that which has been done well in the past. 

We can't just go on pretending that WoW and its susequent clones are really great mmos.  These present games are a lot of fun but they are not designed around challenge and competition like old mmos.  They provide a platform for people of all ages and all tastes to come together in a giant global 3d chatroom and play little side games that any fetus or old fart could master.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Evasia

They just have showed what darkfall will be they never hyped or promise anything you eather like it and follow it or not they dont force you to follow darkfall.
 

They even said play before you pay, so whats problem here they give you a chance to play it and if you dont like it you dont buy it simple as that.

And Darkfall surtenly dont have to proof anything its a game developed for hardcore sandbox skill based free for all full loot pvp, you eather play it or not its simple as that.

Or you guys want ac-darktide be only game for ever with 1k players max and no new game been developed in fantasy genre?

I dont undertsand hostillity towards Darkfall?

You wanne be stuck in past and dont want new games been developed?

 

They havent showed anything except for what they want us to see, which is excactly what DnL and Mourning did. Unless an unbiased reviewer gets their hand on Darkfall and give it a fair run for its money then this game is all about what the devs are saying. They have said that you can pay before you play, until that option is actually put on the table then it is another addition to the stuff that the devs had said but havent delivered.

And I dont understand your reasoning that just because it is said to be hardcore sandbox skill based free for all full loot pvp then it doesnt have to prove anything? In these time of MMORPG inflation then every MMORPG has to prove something before people will buy it. This is even more so because of the constant misinformation and overhypeness that MMORPG devs keep pouring out. AoC anyone? Mourning anyone? DnL anyone? VSOH anyone?

Devs want to have our money? Then they need to prove and convince us that they are delivering the next gen of MMORPG, not just say that they are.

So far the Darkfall devs hasnt done any of that and just claim it is because they dont have a marketing budget. Yeah, releasing an MMORPG these days without a good marketing strategy? Yeah good luck with that.

The existance of so many critics of this game is no others fault than the devs. They could squash all these doubts with a good marketing strategy and more openness about a game to be released in a month. They choose not to do so and this is the result.

 

If DF is crap then its crap, so another game bites the dust, so what its only a game. If its great then ill pay it.  so many people hate this game, its all very strange.

Originally posted by UncleSanta

Untill Darkfall launch and people can compare all your logic on Darkfall vs other games can be used on every other game out there.

Sorry. I fail to see your point.

I read the entire post looking for a point and came to the conclusion.... there isn't one.

Originally posted by zaxtor99

Darktide pwns Darkfall.

There is no way in hell that Darkfall will ever even come close to giving us what Darktide did back in the day on Asheron's Call.

We "hope" Darkfall will deliver on even half of its promises.

We "hope" that Darkfall won't be buggy and choppy and slow and laggy.

We "hope" that Darkfall will be fun and won't fall flat on it's face.

But most of us who ever played on the Darktide server back in the days know just how good it was, especially for its time. For it's time, the graphics were amazing. I remember when I first logged into AC back in 1999 and was simply awe struck at how the clouds actually floated in the sky and how bad EQ looked by comparison.

But even then, it wasn't until I started experiencing all the newly imagined mobs that AC presented and its unique magic system with all the colored tapers and different components that I really started to fall for that game.

The community, even on the relentless Darktide server was awesome. Most of the RPKs on Darktide were actually pretty cool. And most of the good anti-pks as well were cool as hell.

The guild system, the unique random loot system. The seamless world, the hundreds of dungeons and quests that actually had deep lore were amazing for its time and still unmatched by any mmo out there.

There is no way that Darkfall will ever beat AC Darktide at it's own game. I don't even think Darkfall will present many similarities to be honest. First Darkfall would have to prove a lot and actually "work". And then I think Darkfall, if it does actually work, will be more of an FPS with swords than it will be comparable to worlds like Asherons Call.

And in the end, I have to be honest.. I hope Darkfall delivers. But even if it does deliver half what it promises and actually works when it launches, I don't think it will even dent everything that was so great about all we old timers experienced on Darktide back in AC's glory years.

Maybe some of you who played Darktide back in the day have something to say. Maybe some of you think that should Darkfall be successful that it will resemble Darktide much more then I think it will.

But in the end, Darktide DOES send Darkfall violently back to the lifestone with one bludgeoning hit for about 647 damage! Darktide launched not much earlier then I started hearing the hype about this unknown game called "Darkfall" just a year or later. Darktide was in it's peak years and fun as hell when I first heard of Darkfall the first time. And since then, Darkfall has been all hype, all undelivered promises all these years, while Darktide has actually delivered so many tens of thousands, perhaps millions of gamers hours of fun and action. Over 100 content additions have been added by Turbine in the same time that Darkfalls hype and promises have been talked about on forum boards.

In the end, I think we can clearly see who the winner is from the year 2000 to the year 2009. And I wouldn't bet a single pyreal that Darkfall will be any better then Darktide is after all these years and even considering it's low devoted player population. In fact, I'd bet that Darktide will still be hosting players on 2010 and 2011 and on... And I'd bet that Darkfall will be just a joke in 2011, if it has even released by then that is.

Yep, sorry DF fans. Darktide destroys Darkfall, period. I hope that Darkfall can launch and prove me wrong and blow Darktide even as I experienced it away. But then again, that sounds like fantasy world talk to me! Darktide is "real". {winks}

- Zaxx
 

So you promote a 9 year old game that was a shadow compared to UO pre-Age of Shadows and says it will kill Darkfall, a game we havent experienced yet?

Originally posted by ManJunk

Originally posted by UncleSanta

Untill Darkfall launch and people can compare all your logic on Darkfall vs other games can be used on every other game out there.

Sorry. I fail to see your point.

 

I read the entire post looking for a point and came to the conclusion.... there isn't one.

This.  I think hes just angry that nothing else has delivered the kind of experience that darktide did.  He seems a mite bitter.

OP makes a great post and argument, even if comparing Asherons Call to an unfinished Darkfall is like putting Mike Tyson in a fight against an infant child.

Most of the ignorant responses since have been from players who likely never even set foot on the Darktide server.  Granted the OP has also never played Darkfall as it still hasn't released yet, but it is easy for anyone sporting any common sense and logic skills that Darkfall will fail miserably. One example of this is all you need, and that is Aventurine says the server will let 10,000+ people play on a single server, yet they don't even need to stress test this server? They say that bots and a handful of players can test it properly before release? Really? A game of this size with so many promised features can be tested thoroughly with bots and a just a few players in such a short period of time?  That's merely one example of about 100 I could list, but honestly I don't have the time.  Anyhow, even if I gave 120 clear common sense examples showing how anyone with two brain cells working could see all the ways Darkfall will fail, all we'd get is fanboys responding with personal attack one liners and simple responses like "No, Tasos said {fill in the blank}"

But nobody can make a point that goes against the fanboys fantasies here or what Tasos, their mighty god has told them in their bible they follow religiously - their bible ofcourse being the mighty Darkfall forums (King Tasos version)

Originally posted by radlin

OP makes a great post and argument, even if comparing Asherons Call to an unfinished Darkfall is like putting Mike Tyson in a fight against an infant child.

Most of the ignorant responses since have been from players who likely never even set foot on the Darktide server.  Granted the OP has also never played Darkfall as it still hasn't released yet, but it is easy for anyone sporting any common sense and logic skills that Darkfall will fail miserably. One example of this is all you need, and that is Aventurine says the server will let 10,000+ people play on a single server, yet they don't even need to stress test this server? They say that bots and a handful of players can test it properly before release? Really? A game of this size with so many promised features can be tested thoroughly with bots and a just a few players in such a short period of time?  That's merely one example of about 100 I could list, but honestly I don't have the time.  Anyhow, even if I gave 120 clear common sense examples showing how anyone with two brain cells working could see all the ways Darkfall will fail, all we'd get is fanboys responding with personal attack one liners and simple responses like "No, Tasos said {fill in the blank}"

But nobody can make a point that goes against the fanboys fantasies here or what Tasos, their mighty god has told them in their bible they follow religiously - their bible ofcourse being the mighty Darkfall forums (King Tasos version)

You act like you are not a troll.  When you say stuff like "sure the game isnt out, but it will fail anyways duh" you make yourself look like an idiot and noone takes you seriously. Troll.

Originally posted by radlin

OP makes a great post and argument, even if comparing Asherons Call to an unfinished Darkfall is like putting Mike Tyson in a fight against an infant child.

Most of the ignorant responses since have been from players who likely never even set foot on the Darktide server.  Granted the OP has also never played Darkfall as it still hasn't released yet, but it is easy for anyone sporting any common sense and logic skills that Darkfall will fail miserably.

O rly? Why do you go more in depth into the flawed comparison after you yourself say its flawed in the 1st paragraph?

One example of this is all you need, and that is Aventurine says the server will let 10,000+ people play on a single server, yet they don't even need to stress test this server? They say that bots and a handful of players can test it properly before release? Really? A game of this size with so many promised features can be tested thoroughly with bots and a just a few players in such a short period of time?  they have said that there will be an open beta. Anyone sporting common sense would know that a game like this would need an open beta. I mean if they don't have one THEN your arguments hold weight, but until then:

 

and also, if you don't believe the words, videos, and screenshots of the devs because "they are from the devs" will you believe them when they say the game is out or will you wait for gamespot to be like "Ok this game called Darkfall is out, and this game sucks because it doesn't follow anything set by the great WoW. 1/10"

What happened??  I think i just blacked out..

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Originally posted by rageagainst

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Originally posted by radlin

OP makes a great post and argument, even if comparing Asherons Call to an unfinished Darkfall is like putting Mike Tyson in a fight against an infant child.
Most of the ignorant responses since have been from players who likely never even set foot on the Darktide server.  Granted the OP has also never played Darkfall as it still hasn't released yet, but it is easy for anyone sporting any common sense and logic skills that Darkfall will fail miserably.
O rly? Why do you go more in depth into the flawed comparison after you yourself say its flawed in the 1st paragraph?
One example of this is all you need, and that is Aventurine says the server will let 10,000+ people play on a single server, yet they don't even need to stress test this server? They say that bots and a handful of players can test it properly before release? Really? A game of this size with so many promised features can be tested thoroughly with bots and a just a few players in such a short period of time?  they have said that there will be an open beta. Anyone sporting common sense would know that a game like this would need an open beta. I mean if they don't have one THEN your arguments hold weight, but until then:
 
and also, if you don't believe the words, videos, and screenshots of the devs because "they are from the devs" will you believe them when they say the game is out or will you wait for gamespot to be like "Ok this game called Darkfall is out, and this game sucks because it doesn't follow anything set by the great WoW. 1/10"

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ahhh...the one in green must be a new recruit to the army of DF fanbois. Well I am for one sorry that you believe anything the "devs" say is to be fact. I have heard the same crap for 8 years. I mean don't get me wrong I DO hate the game with a passion and cant wait for it to fail, but I am happy that they actually became adults and finally gave a release date. I mean now I know when to buy some popcorn, sit back and watch the fireworks fly :D

 Zaxx -

- a source you can rely on!

Originally posted by gamerman98

 

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Originally posted by rageagainst

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Originally posted by radlin

 

OP makes a great post and argument, even if comparing Asherons Call to an unfinished Darkfall is like putting Mike Tyson in a fight against an infant child.
Most of the ignorant responses since have been from players who likely never even set foot on the Darktide server.  Granted the OP has also never played Darkfall as it still hasn't released yet, but it is easy for anyone sporting any common sense and logic skills that Darkfall will fail miserably.
O rly? Why do you go more in depth into the flawed comparison after you yourself say its flawed in the 1st paragraph?
One example of this is all you need, and that is Aventurine says the server will let 10,000+ people play on a single server, yet they don't even need to stress test this server? They say that bots and a handful of players can test it properly before release? Really? A game of this size with so many promised features can be tested thoroughly with bots and a just a few players in such a short period of time?  they have said that there will be an open beta. Anyone sporting common sense would know that a game like this would need an open beta. I mean if they don't have one THEN your arguments hold weight, but until then:
 
and also, if you don't believe the words, videos, and screenshots of the devs because "they are from the devs" will you believe them when they say the game is out or will you wait for gamespot to be like "Ok this game called Darkfall is out, and this game sucks because it doesn't follow anything set by the great WoW. 1/10"

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ahhh...the one in green must be a new recruit to the army of DF fanbois. Well I am for one sorry that you believe anything the "devs" say is to be fact. I have heard the same crap for 8 years. I never said that I believe everything that the devs said. I'm just saying if you follow this game, you can't just assume that everything the devs say are lies. Sure they've made some (really) misleading statements but if you believe nothing they say then in your head, there would be no game, why are you following a theoretical game? I mean don't get me wrong I DO hate the game with a passion and cant wait for it to fail, but I am happy that they actually became adults and finally gave a release date. Why do you hate the game? You've never played it yet. I'm interested in the game that, if successful, would be the only hardcore mmo on the market (and would be my dream mmo). I don't know if it will be sucessful or be a disaster; you, however, seem to know everything before hand, please grace us some of your wisdom O' great one. I mean now I know when to buy some popcorn, sit back and watch the fireworks fly :D