Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by rageagainst

Well if you had to choose, i want DF to be hardcore, given that all the other mmo's on the market are carebear.

 

DF isn't hardcore either. I laugh when people like you say DF is hardcore, when I think DF is a carebear game. Want hardcore? Play perma-death.

This proofs your pure troll, laughing behind his pc

Originally posted by birken

If anyone want to play a good PvE game go play Vanguard it the best one on the market by fare. The pvp sucks but that why hopefully DF fills the empty whole.  The person that posted this Discussion is siting back laughing at how much flame he has casued. Well i would learn to troll better and one day, you too will be as gigantic and hairy as the OP, king of trolls

I also heard LOTRO is a good pve mmo, for anyone who's pissed that there's never gonna be a pve server in DF (though, i say again, you CAN pve only in DF if you're smart about it)

Vanguard suffers from  intermittent lag.   It is challenging in the sense that you sometimes move without seeing how you move until you've fallen off a cliff. Though the powers, quests, dialog, difficulty, and character choices are many and good, the lag makes it no fun.

LOTRO is not challenging.

I was asking about a good PVE game, not an almost tolerable one.

Originally posted by fwhite

Vanguard suffers from  intermittent lag.   It is challenging in the sense that you sometimes move without seeing how you move until you've fallen off a cliff. Though the powers, quests, dialog, difficulty, and character choices are many and good, the lag makes it no fun.

LOTRO is not challenging.

I was asking about a good PVE game, not an almost tolerable one.

 

 

You must be on dial up, because Vanguard has no such lag. 

Originally posted by jakojako

I'll stick my middle finger up to anyone who wants a PvE server in this game WHILST telling them to fuck off and go to one of the 10000000 PvE mmo's

best reply to a post ive seen in a while.  This game is made for pvper,s, so the guys who want to pve can go fuck around in LOTRO....

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by fwhite

Vanguard suffers from  intermittent lag.   It is challenging in the sense that you sometimes move without seeing how you move until you've fallen off a cliff. Though the powers, quests, dialog, difficulty, and character choices are many and good, the lag makes it no fun.

LOTRO is not challenging.

I was asking about a good PVE game, not an almost tolerable one.

 

 

You must be on dial up, because Vanguard has no such lag. 

You must be mistaken, I use cable.  Vanguard has such lag.

LOTRO does not.  WoW does not.  EQ2 does not.  WAR does not.  Atlantica online does not.  AoC does not.  Vanguard is the only game that does.

Originally posted by darkcoud9

Originally posted by jakojako

I'll stick my middle finger up to anyone who wants a PvE server in this game WHILST telling them to fuck off and go to one of the 10000000 PvE mmo's

 

best reply to a post ive seen in a while.  This game is made for pvper,s, so the guys who want to pve can go fuck around in LOTRO....

yea because when you can't make an intellingent response, you just call people names. good job

Originally posted by fwhite

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by fwhite

Vanguard suffers from  intermittent lag.   It is challenging in the sense that you sometimes move without seeing how you move until you've fallen off a cliff. Though the powers, quests, dialog, difficulty, and character choices are many and good, the lag makes it no fun.

LOTRO is not challenging.

I was asking about a good PVE game, not an almost tolerable one.

 

 

You must be on dial up, because Vanguard has no such lag. 

You must be mistaken, I use cable.  Vanguard has such lag.

LOTRO does not.  WoW does not.  EQ2 does not.  WAR does not.  Atlantica online does not.  AoC does not.  Vanguard is the only game that does.

I play Vanguard and LOTRO. I get much better performance in Vanguard. I play Vanguard with all settings on high, but I can't do that with LOTRO. Maybe you're talking about chunk lines?

PVE Servers would go against the entire main ethos of the game, and so are very very unlikely indeed.

i dunno much about Vanguard but its one big world without instance right?

That mayb explain little lag for some and not in lotr that have instance.

And pve server for darkfall never gonne happen plenty of carebear games outthere that have them.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

No good idea, give all players the whole thing...the mediocre MMO's have established a bad habit here offering different instances of the world  with other rules.

For this statement to be viable Darkfall would have to look above mediocre level. It looks far below it at this point.

No PvE servers, even if this game does by some remote chance launch Aventurine won't give you PvE servers.

Originally posted by Rastical

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

No good idea, give all players the whole thing...the mediocre MMO's have established a bad habit here offering different instances of the world  with other rules.

For this statement to be viable Darkfall would have to look above mediocre level. It looks far below it at this point.

And explain why its below avarage?

Becouse you saw some screens shots a movie?

This game dare to be different then almost all other games released in past 6 years and you say its avarage have you play it NO, your just a hater who take any chance to talk negative about a game you dont even gonne play.

Affraid your themepark gonne suffer?

Your reply failed comepletely.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

A friend suggested DF have PvE servers to pull in more people. What do you think would happen to DF if they offered PvE servers along side normal servers? I argued against PvE servers pointing to Trammel, but really, isn't it like saying there aren't enough PvPers to sustain a PvP server if a PvE server existed? If it is like saying that, then what sort of population do we expect to have in DF?

I wouldn't mind a non-full loot server personally, but I'd be opposed to a PvE server.

Arguments about carebears ruining game, etc aside..

I don't think a PvE server in the game could function. The game is pvp centric, and designed around full loot, clan warefare, and no instanced areas. On a PvE server, you gather 40 people to kill a huge boss, another group steals your kill - you call it a night and leave? How would the clan system work? the first 50 people to get all the clan spots have city forever? On a PvE server, or one without full loot, the skill based combat would die out, if gear becomes an intregated part of your chracter, oppose to sort of a "buff" that is fully lootable and available to everyone if they can get their hands on it, then the game would become gear-centric, and it would not be in aventurines best interest to do this.

I agree that in many cases with games, having PvE servers simply attracts more customors, and you have less sheep on pvp servers - but in this game it simply wouldn't work I'm afraid.

Originally posted by bigfootsbigfoots

PVE Servers would go against the entire main ethos of the game, and so are very very unlikely indeed.

Translating: There's little content outside of PvP

Originally posted by piotrsan

Originally posted by bigfootsbigfoots

PVE Servers would go against the entire main ethos of the game, and so are very very unlikely indeed.

 

Translating: There's little content outside of PvP

No. As far as we know there is plenty of PvE content. Just none of it is instanced - so PvP will also play a roll in PvE. there is a difference between a PvP oriented game, and a game without PvE.

As I already stated on the official forums and as its probably already been said here, Darkfall is designed around global domination via pvp, crafting/building and some forms of diplomacy. To remove pvp would disable most of the features from the game.

Furthermore, I'd like to believe there is enough pve and dungeons to be done in Darkfall that would exist in a common mmo, but I seriously doubt there is - especially at launch. I'm betting the devs are expecting pvp to keep us occupied for quite a while and therefore haven't spent a lot of time on things like grand-scale raid dungeons that have been popular in other games. I personally would like to see a raid progression in Darkfall because it always provides guilds with competition and a reason to war. Call me sick, but contested dungeons have always provided the best drama for pvp over the years.

I hope I'm wrong and time has been invested in a fun dungeon/raid side to Darkfall, but I somehow doubt there is yet. The game is simply all about pvp.

They have said already there will be no PVE servers end of story.

Originally posted by firefly2003

They have said already there will be no PVE servers end of story.

when subscriber numbers drop to where they are losing money, then that might change.

If you guys dont like the FFA concept then there are other games to pick from the left side of your screen there, if the WOW noobs and carebears who have never played a FFA PVP game before cant handle it on the same server and use their goddamn head for once then they really don't need to be there..