Like what the title said, any comments please?

for one atleast i said sounds , fighting sounds and character sounds. even that does my lame meter 100%

not to have willpower to play that game.

is their anything good about the game lol

Well, for lame I would have to say the general aggro range of mob npcs. For example,  I  come across 5 elves standing in a group and the animations show they are conversing. In other games I may have been concerned about adds when trying to pull. I have no worries 99 percent of the time. I can just take a throwing dagger and hit one. he or she will be the only one to come after me. Pretty simple feat. The funnier thing is that the other elves will still be conversing as if the guy never left the group. Pretty much on the lame side.

I can say that recent ORvR activity is a positive sign. This may not be much of a change for some players who lovingly defend the game as they, according to their posts, have always had a healthy amount ORvR action going on. Alot of ORvR is still keep swapping, but it appears to be increasing overall. This is the Vortex server I am referring to. I have 40 days left before my account expires.

Overall any good or bad is really a matter of taste.  The AI is definitely pretty lame though. Can't see how anyone can find a challenge in that.

Originally posted by sunlion69

Well, for lame I would have to say the general aggro range of mob npcs. For example,  I  come across 5 elves standing in a group and the animations show they are conversing. In other games I may have been concerned about adds when trying to pull. I have no worries 99 percent of the time. I can just take a throwing dagger and hit one. he or she will be the only one to come after me. Pretty simple feat. The funnier thing is that the other elves will still be conversing as if the guy never left the group. Pretty much on the lame side.

I could put this on both  it's good that only 1 mob is pulled but is it also lame how some of the other ones are not pulled. But I don't think it's 99% either unless i pull with my 100 yrd detaunt (WP class)

Now that out of the way, a good thing is of course the Open RvR but for me it's more of the fun solo/grouping PvE like ToK and PQ's.

The bad/lame thing in this game has to be Destruction 

Originally posted by Magter

I could put this on both  it's good that only 1 mob is pulled but is it also lame how some of the other ones are not pulled. But I don't think it's 99% either unless i pull with my 100 yrd detaunt (WP class)

Now that out of the way, a good thing is of course the Open RvR but for me it's more of the fun solo/grouping PvE like ToK and PQ's.

The bad/lame thing in this game has to be Destruction 

Stupid AI is not good and bad, it just suck.

Basicly is PvP the good stuff and PvE the bad stuff.

The community don't really feel that great either but the game is still just a few months old so it probably havn't really formed yet. It feels mores like a fps community than a RPG community.

The game is worth trying off course but you should know that it is still not 100% finnished yet. Mythic are working hard however but it have a little bit to go still. It need more content (like those 4 citys that was supposed to be almost finnished but was cut a month before launch because they didn't feel as great as they should), it still needs some more work on the stability (Some of my friends have still problem with crashes) and it still need more balancing.

This are all issues that time will fix however and the relaxed PvP the games offer is fun so the game is worth testing, even though you should know that it still needs improvements. And a note, I am currently not playing, are waiting for those 4 citys before I start again so I can be wrong, some things can have been fixed.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Magter

I could put this on both  it's good that only 1 mob is pulled but is it also lame how some of the other ones are not pulled. But I don't think it's 99% either unless i pull with my 100 yrd detaunt (WP class)

Now that out of the way, a good thing is of course the Open RvR but for me it's more of the fun solo/grouping PvE like ToK and PQ's.

The bad/lame thing in this game has to be Destruction 

 

Stupid AI is not good and bad, it just suck.

Basicly is PvP the good stuff and PvE the bad stuff.

The community don't really feel that great either but the game is still just a few months old so it probably havn't really formed yet. It feels mores like a fps community than a RPG community.

The game is worth trying off course but you should know that it is still not 100% finnished yet. Mythic are working hard however but it have a little bit to go still. It need more content (like those 4 citys that was supposed to be almost finnished but was cut a month before launch because they didn't feel as great as they should), it still needs some more work on the stability (Some of my friends have still problem with crashes) and it still need more balancing.

This are all issues that time will fix however and the relaxed PvP the games offer is fun so the game is worth testing, even though you should know that it still needs improvements. And a note, I am currently not playing, are waiting for those 4 citys before I start again so I can be wrong, some things can have been fixed.

Performance has to improve but balancing is never done in any MMO as it's always interchanging.

But why on earth would you want the 4 HUGE cities? Altdorf and IC alone are big enough and most of the times feel dead do you really want 4 more to scatter the population further?

I really hope they don't add the cities anytime soon if ever.

Anyway if you're waiting for the 4 cities to play again then be prepared to wait for years lol.

God help us.

How long should i or any other person should wait until Mythic fixes most of these bugs/problems before we buy the game and play?

Originally posted by tsaboi

How long should i or any other person should wait until Mythic fixes most of these bugs/problems before we buy the game and play?

Lol you are another one of those looking to this site for info on the game....

It is NOT "broken", it is NOT "buggy", it is NOT "a fail".

It works fantastically for a newly released mmo and it is great fun. You don't have to believe me and who cares. Enjoy whatever you are playin at the moment.

I found the massive hate and blatant smear propaganda too much to counter - if you want to try it out, try it. I decided to leave forums for the foreseeable future because my head starts to pound when I read some of the BS heaped here and given as true due to sheer numbers of trolls.

I wish Mythic would finally release the tryout to counter all the BS that's become taken for granted. Atm my guild is filled with new people shocked at how good the game is considering all the crap they've been hearing.

Originally posted by markoraos

it is NOT "buggy"

Arguing the rest is one thing but come now...  Servers crashing on fortress sieges at least gives it the classification of buggy :/ And is the casting lag fully fixed already?

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by markoraos

it is NOT "buggy"

 

 

Arguing the rest is one thing but come now...  Servers crashing on fortress sieges at least gives it the classification of buggy :/ And is the casting lag fully fixed already?

Yeah i have to agree...I crashed once during the fortress siege and had to wait 5 minutes for my loading screen to bring me back to Chaos Wastes but I would rather use the words "Laggy" other than "Buggy". The biggest lame for me though is the lag and performance issue which they say they are working on...and i believe them because patch 1.1a has everything they promised. GJ MYTHIC

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by markoraos

it is NOT "buggy"

 

 

Arguing the rest is one thing but come now...  Servers crashing on fortress sieges at least gives it the classification of buggy :/ And is the casting lag fully fixed already?

Every game ever made was "buggy". The way its been "commonly accepted" around here is that it is unplayably buggy which it is not. WoW was waaay more buggy at release than WAR.

But... whatever rocks your boat man... whatever.

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by tsaboi

How long should i or any othr person should wait until Mythic fixes most of these bugs/problems before we buy the game and play?

 

Lol you are another one of those looking to this site for info on the game....

It is NOT "broken", it is NOT "buggy", it is NOT "a fail".

It works fantastically for a newly released mmo and it is great fun. You don't have to believe me and who cares. Enjoy whatever you are playin at the moment.

I found the massive hate and blatant smear propaganda too much to counter - if you want to try it out, try it. I decided to leave forums for the foreseeable future because my head starts to pound when I read some of the BS heaped here and given as true due to sheer numbers of trolls.

I wish Mythic would finally release the tryout to counter all the BS that's become taken for granted. Atm my guild is filled with new people shocked at how good the game is considering all the crap they've been hearing.

Yeah, but they won't do that, because then I would have to say: for every copy of War downloaded it would be even more free publicity for WotLK.

WAR is selling now at ...20.77 dollars on amazon. Coming from 49.99 dollars, that's the garbage bin right? Stock, stocks and stocks. I spoke with a Fnac guy yesterday in Belgium. The Antwerp maul sold 2 copies of War in 3 weeks, but they still sell on 49 Euros of course.

I had to laugh when the sales guy asked me: "Is it really that bad, it can't be ?" The dozens of copies are now taken even off the main racks, laying beside Conan and the 5 Euro sold Tabula Rasa.

Have you seen the price of WotLK on Amazon? $ 39.99 and not a penny off.

Well that happens when you market your product right in the face of Wow. I always said it would backfire. No matter how many new players will stumble upon it at 20 dollars, just like the first and second wave they won't pay for long.

Spoiled. Bored players are never a good public to recruit.

Thank you for ur quote, i was actually still gonna get this game no matter what people say i just want a fell before i go and buy it :)

The new overflow feature on backpacks would have to be the worst piece of coding ever patched into a game. I have no idea why they put this in and didnt see it in the patch notes.

I logged two bugs and a CSR over this.

Doing my normal completing quests, killing things, looting I got the usual message in chat saying my backpack is full. Then on the next thing I looted I got the big pop up window message saying I cant loot anything else as my backpack is overflowing.

- the thing I looted was something already in my backpack and should have stacked.
- I deleted a few items from my backpack to make space - still get the same message. I logged a bug.
- went back to camp - sold off all the stuff I didnt want - freed up a bag.
- handed in quests - could not complete quests as my inventory was overflowing - WTF? Logged another bug and a CSR.
- Later I was talking to a friend and he tells me - there is now an overflow spot at the bottom of the backpack and if something is in there you cant do anything.

What jackass thought this up, then didnt test it.

But the overflow issue aside - I am having fun.

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by tsaboi

How long should i or any othr person should wait until Mythic fixes most of these bugs/problems before we buy the game and play?

 

Lol you are another one of those looking to this site for info on the game....

It is NOT "broken", it is NOT "buggy", it is NOT "a fail".

It works fantastically for a newly released mmo and it is great fun. You don't have to believe me and who cares. Enjoy whatever you are playin at the moment.

I found the massive hate and blatant smear propaganda too much to counter - if you want to try it out, try it. I decided to leave forums for the foreseeable future because my head starts to pound when I read some of the BS heaped here and given as true due to sheer numbers of trolls.

I wish Mythic would finally release the tryout to counter all the BS that's become taken for granted. Atm my guild is filled with new people shocked at how good the game is considering all the crap they've been hearing.

 

Yeah, but they won't do that, because then I would have to say: for every copy of War downloaded it would be even more free publicity for WotLK.

WAR is selling now at ...20.77 dollars on amazon. Coming from 49.99 dollars, that's the garbage bin right? Stock, stocks and stocks. I spoke with a Fnac guy yesterday in Belgium. The Antwerp maul sold 2 copies of War in 3 weeks, but they still sell on 49 Euros of course.

I had to laugh when the sales guy asked me: "Is it really that bad, it can't be ?" The dozens of copies are now taken even off the main racks, laying beside Conan and the 5 Euro sold Tabula Rasa.

Have you seen the price of WotLK on Amazon? $ 39.99 and not a penny off.

Well that happens when you market your product right in the face of Wow. I always said it would backfire. No matter how many new players will stumble upon it at 20 dollars, just like the first and second wave they won't pay for long.

Spoiled. Bored players are never a good public to recruit.

 

you also realize that wotlk just came out and theres no way its going to drop price at all? war has been out for 3 months so you would assume they were going to drop the price of the game a little. i saw wow for like 5 dollars on black friday when its usually 20 dollars. plus amazon has some of the best prices around and is a good place to buy from. did the game sell amazing? no but im willing to bet it sold a little over a million copies which isnt that bad. stop spreading your message of how this game sucks so bad and go to a forum of a game you actually like to play.

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by markoraos

it is NOT "buggy"

 

 

Arguing the rest is one thing but come now...  Servers crashing on fortress sieges at least gives it the classification of buggy :/ And is the casting lag fully fixed already?

 

Every game ever made was "buggy". The way its been "commonly accepted" around here is that it is unplayably buggy which it is not. WoW was waaay more buggy at release than WAR.

But... whatever rocks your boat man... whatever.

Well, I wasnt arguing that it's unplayable buggy, just buggy ^^

I can't speak for the US release of WoW, I wasn't there. I was there for the EU release though which was about 3 months later and at that point... welll.. the big things were gone. The overpopped servers had mail lag/loot lag sometimes and you could get stuck on a herb/mining node every now and then on servers in general. That was about the worst I experienced back then.

Originally posted by xbellx777

Originally posted by bodypass

 

Yeah, but they won't do that, because then I would have to say: for every copy of War downloaded it would be even more free publicity for WotLK.

WAR is selling now at ...20.77 dollars on amazon. Coming from 49.99 dollars, that's the garbage bin right? Stock, stocks and stocks. I spoke with a Fnac guy yesterday in Belgium. The Antwerp maul sold 2 copies of War in 3 weeks, but they still sell on 49 Euros of course.

I had to laugh when the sales guy asked me: "Is it really that bad, it can't be ?" The dozens of copies are now taken even off the main racks, laying beside Conan and the 5 Euro sold Tabula Rasa.

Have you seen the price of WotLK on Amazon? $ 39.99 and not a penny off.

Well that happens when you market your product right in the face of Wow. I always said it would backfire. No matter how many new players will stumble upon it at 20 dollars, just like the first and second wave they won't pay for long.

Spoiled. Bored players are never a good public to recruit.

 

you also realize that wotlk just came out and theres no way its going to drop price at all? war has been out for 3 months so you would assume they were going to drop the price of the game a little. i saw wow for like 5 dollars on black friday when its usually 20 dollars. plus amazon has some of the best prices around and is a good place to buy from. did the game sell amazing? no but im willing to bet it sold a little over a million copies which isnt that bad. stop spreading your message of how this game sucks so bad and go to a forum of a game you actually like to play.

Any game that has a 50 to 70% price reduction after a mere 6 or 7 weeks (the massive reductions started already 4 weeks ago) means only ONE thing: over stock, masses of stock. Word is out on War already months ago. "No thank you".

Selling now at amazon.com for about 20 dollars (for a regular price of 49.9) means simply they sell off without profit to eliminate stocks.

Read my post above and see what happens to resellers that don't do it: they retain massive unsold stocks.

This is a temporarely situation of course, because after the first 20 dollar buyers, you again need to lower prices to retain momentum. Before the price reductions War was even out of the top 100 of pc games on amazon.

It says one thing: no reordering of the stocks because no one stocks products you can't get rid off, which is death for the game after the New Year sales. As all other MMO's published these last 2 years btw.

And its all very logical considering what War offers.

That was the reason I said: they won't offer free trial play for War any time soon. Because that would even dry up more the "lets just try it at 20 dollars " sales.

Personally I love WAR, sure there are a few buggs around...but nothing gamebraking imho.

I have played since day one and I still ahve alot of fun, I'm only rank 33 abut I still have loads of fun in T4 atm.

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by xbellx777

Originally posted by bodypass

 

Yeah, but they won't do that, because then I would have to say: for every copy of War downloaded it would be even more free publicity for WotLK.

WAR is selling now at ...20.77 dollars on amazon. Coming from 49.99 dollars, that's the garbage bin right? Stock, stocks and stocks. I spoke with a Fnac guy yesterday in Belgium. The Antwerp maul sold 2 copies of War in 3 weeks, but they still sell on 49 Euros of course.

I had to laugh when the sales guy asked me: "Is it really that bad, it can't be ?" The dozens of copies are now taken even off the main racks, laying beside Conan and the 5 Euro sold Tabula Rasa.

Have you seen the price of WotLK on Amazon? $ 39.99 and not a penny off.

Well that happens when you market your product right in the face of Wow. I always said it would backfire. No matter how many new players will stumble upon it at 20 dollars, just like the first and second wave they won't pay for long.

Spoiled. Bored players are never a good public to recruit.

 

you also realize that wotlk just came out and theres no way its going to drop price at all? war has been out for 3 months so you would assume they were going to drop the price of the game a little. i saw wow for like 5 dollars on black friday when its usually 20 dollars. plus amazon has some of the best prices around and is a good place to buy from. did the game sell amazing? no but im willing to bet it sold a little over a million copies which isnt that bad. stop spreading your message of how this game sucks so bad and go to a forum of a game you actually like to play.

Any game that has a 50 to 70% price reduction after a mere 6 or 7 weeks (the massive reductions started already 4 weeks ago) means only ONE thing: over stock, masses of stock. Word is out on War already months ago. "No thank you".

Selling now at amazon.com for about 20 dollars (for a regular price of 49.9) means simply they sell off without profit to eliminate stocks.

Read my post above and see what happens to resellers that don't do it: they retain massive unsold stocks.

This is a temporarely situation of course, because after the first 20 dollar buyers, you again need to lower prices to retain momentum. Before the price reductions War was even out of the top 100 of pc games on amazon.

It says one thing: no reordering of the stocks because no one stocks products you can't get rid off, which is death for the game after the New Year sales. As all other MMO's published these last 2 years btw.

And its all very logical considering what War offers.

That was the reason I said: they won't offer free trial play for War any time soon. Because that would even dry up more the "lets just try it at 20 dollars " sales.

Bodypass we all know your a WOW Fanbois Elite Spokesperson so anything you have to say here or any other forums besides WOW is null and void imo...Everything your spewing is laughable at best...WAR is doing really great compared to most mmo's...So what its selling for $20 some dollars...thats great...now more people can afford to buy it...Why would I pay $40 for a crappy expansion pack  like Wrath of the Lion King and feel like I wasted money in the end..

We can go off your stock/sales subject here and discuss all the stuff that Blizz has done with WOW such as "Recruit a Fruit" nerfing Raid Bosses...crappy pvp, arenas and sieges and making it so easy to level to 80 that a 5 year old can do it in a day or 2....WAR is growing strong and will get better and bigger as time goes on....I can walk into Best Buy, EB games, Gamestop and find countless copies of WOTLK collecting dust on shelves and tables...I bet there are people on these forums that could validate that fact.

I can go over to the WOW forums and so can everyone else and read all the negative posts that have filled those forums since the lastest launch of WOW's newest flop....People are angry, disappointed and many are leaving...its not just my words anyone can go there and read it....So what have you accomplished here? nothing!! because people don't let numbers and stocks and sales dictate what they enjoy playing...

WAR isn't going anywhere, its going to get bigger and better....People said the same thing about AOC and yet they are still here.

Originally posted by woody1974

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by xbellx777

Originally posted by bodypass

 

Yeah, but they won't do that, because then I would have to say: for every copy of War downloaded it would be even more free publicity for WotLK.

WAR is selling now at ...20.77 dollars on amazon. Coming from 49.99 dollars, that's the garbage bin right? Stock, stocks and stocks. I spoke with a Fnac guy yesterday in Belgium. The Antwerp maul sold 2 copies of War in 3 weeks, but they still sell on 49 Euros of course.

I had to laugh when the sales guy asked me: "Is it really that bad, it can't be ?" The dozens of copies are now taken even off the main racks, laying beside Conan and the 5 Euro sold Tabula Rasa.

Have you seen the price of WotLK on Amazon? $ 39.99 and not a penny off.

Well that happens when you market your product right in the face of Wow. I always said it would backfire. No matter how many new players will stumble upon it at 20 dollars, just like the first and second wave they won't pay for long.

Spoiled. Bored players are never a good public to recruit.

 

you also realize that wotlk just came out and theres no way its going to drop price at all? war has been out for 3 months so you would assume they were going to drop the price of the game a little. i saw wow for like 5 dollars on black friday when its usually 20 dollars. plus amazon has some of the best prices around and is a good place to buy from. did the game sell amazing? no but im willing to bet it sold a little over a million copies which isnt that bad. stop spreading your message of how this game sucks so bad and go to a forum of a game you actually like to play.

Any game that has a 50 to 70% price reduction after a mere 6 or 7 weeks (the massive reductions started already 4 weeks ago) means only ONE thing: over stock, masses of stock. Word is out on War already months ago. "No thank you".

Selling now at amazon.com for about 20 dollars (for a regular price of 49.9) means simply they sell off without profit to eliminate stocks.

Read my post above and see what happens to resellers that don't do it: they retain massive unsold stocks.

This is a temporarely situation of course, because after the first 20 dollar buyers, you again need to lower prices to retain momentum. Before the price reductions War was even out of the top 100 of pc games on amazon.

It says one thing: no reordering of the stocks because no one stocks products you can't get rid off, which is death for the game after the New Year sales. As all other MMO's published these last 2 years btw.

And its all very logical considering what War offers.

That was the reason I said: they won't offer free trial play for War any time soon. Because that would even dry up more the "lets just try it at 20 dollars " sales.

 

Bodypass we all know your a WOW Fanbois Elite Spokesperson so anything you have to say here or any other forums besides WOW is null and void imo...Everything your spewing is laughable at best...WAR is doing really great compared to most mmo's...So what its selling for $20 some dollars...thats great...now more people can afford to buy it...Why would I pay $40 for a crappy expansion pack  like Wrath of the Lion King and feel like I wasted money in the end..

We can go off your stock/sales subject here and discuss all the stuff that Blizz has done with WOW such as "Recruit a Fruit" nerfing Raid Bosses...crappy pvp, arenas and sieges and making it so easy to level to 80 that a 5 year old can do it in a day or 2....WAR is growing strong and will get better and bigger as time goes on....I can walk into Best Buy, EB games, Gamestop and find countless copies of WOTLK collecting dust on shelves and tables...I bet there are people on these forums that could validate that fact.

I can go over to the WOW forums and so can everyone else and read all the negative posts that have filled those forums since the lastest launch of WOW's newest flop....People are angry, disappointed and many are leaving...its not just my words anyone can go there and read it....So what have you accomplished here? nothing!! because people don't let numbers and stocks and sales dictate what they enjoy playing...

WAR isn't going anywhere, its going to get bigger and better....People said the same thing about AOC and yet they are still here.

You have no proof that the pop is growing though and any signs there have been have been showing the opposite. Game dropping off the sales charts, played hours dropping consistently (till a week ago), servers didn't fill up after release and had to be merged. (too many servers is a reason yes but they didn't fill up either which would have been a sign of a growing game).

And um, Wotlk boxes on the shelf? Have you seen the charts? They're outselling everything, they just have plenty of them lol.

Originally posted by woody1974

Originally posted by bodypass

Any game that has a 50 to 70% price reduction after a mere 6 or 7 weeks (the massive reductions started already 4 weeks ago) means only ONE thing: over stock, masses of stock. Word is out on War already months ago. "No thank you".

Selling now at amazon.com for about 20 dollars (for a regular price of 49.9) means simply they sell off without profit to eliminate stocks.

Read my post above and see what happens to resellers that don't do it: they retain massive unsold stocks.

This is a temporarely situation of course, because after the first 20 dollar buyers, you again need to lower prices to retain momentum. Before the price reductions War was even out of the top 100 of pc games on amazon.

It says one thing: no reordering of the stocks because no one stocks products you can't get rid off, which is death for the game after the New Year sales. As all other MMO's published these last 2 years btw.

And its all very logical considering what War offers.

That was the reason I said: they won't offer free trial play for War any time soon. Because that would even dry up more the "lets just try it at 20 dollars " sales.

 

Bodypass we all know your a WOW Fanbois Elite Spokesperson so anything you have to say here or any other forums besides WOW is null and void imo...Everything your spewing is laughable at best...WAR is doing really great compared to most mmo's...So what its selling for $20 some dollars...thats great...now more people can afford to buy it...Why would I pay $40 for a crappy expansion pack  like Wrath of the Lion King and feel like I wasted money in the end..

We can go off your stock/sales subject here and discuss all the stuff that Blizz has done with WOW such as "Recruit a Fruit" nerfing Raid Bosses...crappy pvp, arenas and sieges and making it so easy to level to 80 that a 5 year old can do it in a day or 2....WAR is growing strong and will get better and bigger as time goes on....I can walk into Best Buy, EB games, Gamestop and find countless copies of WOTLK collecting dust on shelves and tables...I bet there are people on these forums that could validate that fact.

I can go over to the WOW forums and so can everyone else and read all the negative posts that have filled those forums since the lastest launch of WOW's newest flop....People are angry, disappointed and many are leaving...its not just my words anyone can go there and read it....So what have you accomplished here? nothing!! because people don't let numbers and stocks and sales dictate what they enjoy playing...

WAR isn't going anywhere, its going to get bigger and better....People said the same thing about AOC and yet they are still here.

I am just pointing out facts about sale prices and why they happen; I can't help it either that War is not the huge success the thin air hyped made of it. I can't help it is already in the trash bins, nor Blizzard.I can't help it, but I DO understand it after having played War. I did immeadiatly understand why their politics of "luring in bored Wow players" was to backfire on them.

In fact Amazon (and many others) miscalculated the War succces by a wide margin.

As for War not going anywhere, ... that's up to EA  now you know. They said at launch it needed to stay in the 250-350 sub bracket, not me.

EA, you know the one with the 310 million dollar quarterly loss and lay offs planned.

I suppose its fingers crossed now, because EA calulates in figures (like the number one sellers WotLK and their own Spore), not in emotions.

Average professional review score of WotLK is 93% btw (best score ever for an MMORPG), so the few Wow haters on mmorpg.hate-Wow.com are worthless opinions (commercially wise). Every man his opinion of course, but these days it is the commercial succes that is needed not the hype.