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Originally posted by openedge1
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them? |
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Originally posted by duwat1982d
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
umm why would it? oh edit:P i forget all the losers who dont have a cc |
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Originally posted by raizzeen
umm why would it? oh edit:P i forget all the losers who dont have a cc
sorry i wasn't clear on that. didn't mean sales in general. just meant the number of sales in that initial 24 hour period. On another note. Sorry I'm not an elite master forum poster and gameing guru like yourself.....oh wait sorry. Just realized your only an apprentice. Must be the noob coming out of me again. :D |
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nickelpat
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"War isn''t about dieing for your country; It''s about making your enemy die for theirs." - G.Patton |
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 I see the Death Knight is a fine class, being it's pretty much a jack or all trades, but I think it was a bad decision to make it so you had to be 55 to use it. And so that the landmass is only accessible to high levels. I also simply HATE the fact you MUST have TBC to play WOTLK, it makes my gut churn that Blizzard would stoop to such a level to sell more product. This would be one of the reasons I didn't vote for it. As for the numbers game, I don't care. Frankly, the majority of the United State's population (I know the 11million players aren't just from the US) is overweight and have below average IQs. Does this mean that being overweight and slightly stupid is better than not? Do you see where I'm getting? I'm also pretty sure a higher percentage of high school teens drink before 21 than those who don't. Does this mean it's better? Number mean squat. WoW has higher numbers because it is more accessible to those with sub-par rigs or those who aren't the smartest people ever (it's a rather simple game is it not?). I have not personally dove into WOTLK but I have played WoW for two months (total play time of just over 100 hours) and have seen friends play a good bit of WOTLK. The Death Knights look pretty awesome, and Nothrend is a good looking place, at least I like the art style there better than the rest of the game. Although I quit because I got bored. It was the same thing forever. Quests at an early level (up to around 30-40) are mostly "Kill this", "Get this", or "Find this/him/her/it" and it's just not fun. They need more low level content. For example, last night I just played through LOTROs intro/tutorial again. I found with the new expansion they actually introduced a new dungeon with it's own quest into the intro (a short 6 level semi-instanced area of the game). And made some changes to the map for the first fully instanced area you go for about one level, a total of 5 minutes. Although it's not much, I really enjoyed the new content they added for players coming right out of the gate, even before they can see a character level 10 or higher. WoW might also want to look at adding a better tutorial, to reduce idiotic questions like "how do i attk?" which in my play time I heard more times than I should have. Something semi instanced (where you see only others doing the same tutorial) would work well. The quests could teach you how to do stuff and ease you into the game. In the end, MoM added so much to the game, it was and is quite amazing.
- Eric ____________________________ "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
Originally posted by Smokeysong
Exactly. Its just another popularity contest between followers of games, who could be bothered or just happen to be visiting the site during the time of the poll. "Alright children, take out a pencil and a piece of paper.........." |
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Originally posted by soulwynd
agreed.
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WoTLK by far
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Originally posted by mindw0rk
That's a joke, right? Alright, here's what you get in WotLK... 10 more levels (woot...) 1 new continent (woot...) 1 new class (woot...) 100 or so new items (... lame) Siege-like combat... So basically you're paying your $50 (or whatever) for an "expansion" the size of 1/10th of the initial game. Really, this isn't an expansion. Blizzard is making you pay for a update patch... Expansions should be nearly the size of the initial game, *period*. There's absolutely no reason for them not to be because you already have the framework to work with. Blizzard really put 0 effort into WotLK and I won't be going back to a game that wants me to pay for such minor updates. I bet Blizzard could sell you people sh*t on a stick if they labelled it WoW. - Theguruofreason |
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Originally posted by nickelpat Sorry for rumbling a lot of text above. If you dont want to read all of it above, ill just summarize it in a few sentences. I have not personally dove into WOTLK but I have played WoW for two months (total play time of just over 100 hours) and have seen friends play a good bit of WOTLK. The Death Knights look pretty awesome, and Nothrend is a good looking place, at least I like the art style there better than the rest of the game. Although I quit because I got bored. It was the same thing forever. Quests at an early level (up to around 30-40) are mostly "Kill this", "Get this", or "Find this/him/her/it" and it's just not fun. They need more low level content.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Originally posted by theguru22
Or maybe twice as big PERIOD? Or maybe 10 times bigger PERIOD? Cmon mr. troll, you know you can do better. Seriously, there is no expansion in MMORPG history as big and as polished as WoTLK. And noone gives a shit about will you return to WoW or die next week. |
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I always appreciate the effort put into the site but I don't really understand this poll. In order to have a valid opinion and cast a vote I would have to play and own the expansion to every one of these games, which I don't so I can't. Basically it's just asking for people to vote for the expansion to whatever game they happen to play if on that list.
Guess I'll just help out the lunatic eve swarm that always shows up during these times and vote that. For Gods sake the words are.. Lose - To cease to have. and Loose - To relax; to loosen; to make less strict. |
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Originally posted by duwat1982d
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
This is true. I'd paid for, downloaded, and installed Mines of Moria a full week before it was even released. Released day just unlocked what I already had installed. Lots of members did the digital download option. |
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Originally posted by Thradar
This is true. I'd paid for, downloaded, and installed Mines of Moria a full week before it was even released. Released day just unlocked what I already had installed. Lots of members did the digital download option.
Another +1 to MOM I was able to play on release day without leaving my house since Blizzard wants to be able to brag about Box sales since they make their customers go out to the store at midnight if ya wanna play at release. It was very nice having the game ready to go a week prior as I was one of the dumb asses that stood outside waiting for BC to release at midnight last year in the frezzing cold.
More proof that Blizzard does less for their subscribers since they wanted to be able to set a 24 hour sales record. Thanks Turbine for allowing me to stay warm and play on release day with no hassle. Playing- Lotro, CO |
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<modedit> While I disagree with the poster you replied to, I also disagree with you. WOTKL cannot be garbage if millions of people buy it. PS: I hope you aren't gonna throw in stuff like "they bought the hype/advertising" or "its because they are stupid" reasoning. Im sick and tired of that logic. <modedit> I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Originally posted by HoldMe
Technically you are right. But since most people do not play ALL games from the list, its the best way to identify which game is best. Results arent 100% accurate, for the reasons you stated, but this watered down statistic is the most accurate that we can get. I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Originally posted by dj_decay
New system ??? Everquest has been using Evolving items for a long time now... Nothing 'new' about it. |
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In the deep bottom of the Moria Water Works, I forgot I was staring at a 20 inch monitor in a 12x12 room and was awestruck by the terrible vastness of it all. Which Is what I'm hoping to experience in an mmo. The legendary system coupled with the class trait revision adds an entirely new dimension to develop your character. A rarity, my expectations were exceeded. I haven't played WotLK, but for me Moria spins The Burning Crusade's ass into a cub scout knot.
edit: staring not starring. I've been in Texas too long.
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Originally posted by RebornDragon
New system ??? Everquest has been using Evolving items for a long time now... Nothing 'new' about it.
If you seriously think that the EQ version bears any similarity to what Turbine has done, then you haven't played Moria yet, it's that simple. Not even close. When scary things get scared, that's bad... |
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Originally posted by jimmyman99
That's a completely rediculous statement jimmyman - millions of people buy cigarrettes and McDonalds food every day even though it's junk, it's actually physically killing them in some cases. Just because millions of people play WoW does NOT mean it's a good game. Just because millions upgraded to WOTLK doesn't mean it's a superior product, it just means that millions of people just don't know there are better choices out there. When scary things get scared, that's bad... |
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Originally posted by dj_decay
That's a completely rediculous statement jimmyman - millions of people buy cigarrettes and McDonalds food every day even though it's junk, it's actually physically killing them in some cases. Just because millions of people play WoW does NOT mean it's a good game. Just because millions upgraded to WOTLK doesn't mean it's a superior product, it just means that millions of people just don't know there are better choices out there. A tiny flaw in your logic, people eat in McDonalds or smoke cigars NOT to get healthy. People eat to kill their hunger, or smoke to.. well i dont know why people smoke, I hate it. So, is Mcdonalds a healthiest restaurant? Hell no. Is it one of the best hunger quelching restaurant? Sure. Its affordable, its quick, is accessible, its tasty. I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Originally posted by jimmyman99 A tiny flaw in your logic, people eat in McDonalds or smoke cigars NOT to get healthy. People eat to kill their hunger, or smoke to.. well i dont know why people smoke, I hate it. So, is Mcdonalds a healthiest restaurant? Hell no. Is it one of the best hunger quelching restaurant? Sure. Its affordable, its quick, is accessible, its tasty.
Who has the flaw in logic? You say you hate smoking yet you have a picture of a cat smoking, or are you just a fan of animal cruelty? Yeah I know its a little off topic, but I was getting around to the point that I don't understand why there's such a mystery around the fact that WOW has such high sells, but yet so many people say they hate the game. Have you ever been logged into the game. It doesn't take much to entertain a 12 yr old and that's what half the players of wow consist of. Little kids go for the shiniest toy basically and with all the commercials and everything else that wow does for advertising that's basically all they see. I mean when's the last time you saw a commercial on T.V. for Moria. Personally I never have. Maybe I've just over looked them. Lets just keep in mind that they ask for the best in quality. Not quantity in one night. Speaking as someone who has played both WOW and LOTR my personal pick between these two is LOTR hand down for many reasons. Yes I have played both plenty with several different classes in both games with their levels maxed out. |
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Originally posted by duwat1982d
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Regarding advertisement: the fact that devs neglected to run a proper advertising campaign is the fault of the company itself, and not WoW or Blizzard. I dont understand how this is of any relevance here. I wasn't saying that the fact that blizzard advertised so much was a bad thing either. It was just another explanation of why there sales were higher than Moria. Personally I'm glad that they don't advertise as much on T. V. It would probably attract more of the crowd to LOTRO that I left WOW to get away from. Gold spammers, little kids that spam profanity over general channels because they think its cool, and just the higher server populations that blizzard's customer service can't seem to handle. Is it better for you when I throw twenty different reasons out so I don't concentrate on one that seem to be discrimnating towads people of a certain age? Again that's not a exact number. Just saying that I put more than one reason out there. Its a figure of speech. Just trying to be clear on that. I know its actualy only three in that sentence but again just trying to get a point across. Speaking as someone who has played both WOW and LOTR my personal pick between these two is LOTR hand down for many reasons. Yes I have played both plenty with several different classes in both games with their levels maxed out.
This argument is the only valid argument in your entire porst. Actually if you had looked at other posts you would have seen that peole were arguing the point that because blizzard had sold so many copies in one night that it must be a good game because of this fact. I believe that the whole post has relevance to the topic because of that. Look back at the other posts if you don't believe me. OK let me spell out exactly what I was saying since it seemed to be over your head the first time around. One I wasn't the one who started talking about Mcdonald's and smoking so wasn't really the one who shifted the conversation that way. Was just pointing it out as I saw it with your picture.
Have you ever been logged into the game. It doesn't take much to entertain a 12 yr old and that's what half the players of wow consist of. Yes i've logged lately, and your statement is a gross over-exaggeration. My personal estimate: there are about 30% of kids out of the total WoW playerbase. Its really hard to get even an approximate number since most of the time I do not ask any1 age and people behave appropriately. Very rarely do I get a "kid" acting out, even more rare so in a group. OK. It wasn't meant to be an exact percentage. Was just trying to get the point across that a lot of kids play WOW which by the way you reacted to it I would say that I did get that point across even though you still didn't quite catch that. I have no way of getting an exact percentage and neither do you unless you've played on every server that WOW has and talked to every player on each of them. On the three different servers I've played on WOW there were definatly more than 30% that were 17 or under. That's legal adult age here in the U. S. We'll just use that so you can't say I'm the one who is discriminating. Little kids go for the shiniest toy basically and with all the commercials and everything else that wow does for advertising that's basically all they see. I mean when's the last time you saw a commercial on T.V. for Moria. Personally I never have. Maybe I've just over looked them. Lets just keep in mind that they ask for the best in quality. Not quantity in one night. lets assume for the moment that you are right and half or even 90% of WoW's population consist of kids. Does that really justify your denial of the game's quality? What is the average age, according to you, of a game that has to qualify to be in your book of being a "quality" game? is it 15? is it 30? Be fair here, you cannot rule out quality of WoW on a simple argument "most WoW players are kids". In fact, kids are the biggest critics of any game or toy, if the game/toy sucks, they will not play with it long, they will move on. If its a quality game/toy, they will keep playing with it for years. Your statements could be considered discriminatory towards certain age group. Ok here goes. Since you obviously didn't really read what I wrote the first time around very well, that's what's up there in white just so you know, Here's my second go at trying to explain this to you. I never said that the quality of the game was bad because kids played it. I was trying to explain how sales could be so high on an item that is not that great. Wasn't saying it was the sole reason. Was just throwing one contributing factor out there. Also, if kids are such good judges then how did things like sponge bob square pants, power rangers, and pickachu stay on t.v. for so long. Little off topic but hey you asked the question. |
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Originally posted by duwat1982d
Im sorry but the argument "little kids" is being thrown around so often that it stops making any sense. I do not have any problems with profanities nor "acting up" because i: a) do not spend hours in a major city monitoring the chat You seem to be a bit sensitive to this, but this is how every annoying person acts within any game. WoW is no better or worse. Millions play WoW, but NOT on the same sertver. So it does not matter if there are 100 servers or just 1. You have proper tools to shield yourself from things you mentioned, if you cannot handle this then you shouldnt play any MMO at all. Ive played many MMOs, and only those MMOs that do not restrict unwanted physical interaction (kill stealing, camp stealing, body camping, etc), only those would fit your profile. Only wehn you CANT stop abuse, whether physical or verbal, only then I would agree with you that that game was not designed properly and it is prone to abuse by punks, whatever their age. When i said that only your last argument was valid, i was referring to your post. The "little kids" argument is wrong IMO because of what i wrote above, you can shield yourself from 95% of abuse without much effort. So thats not a problem, more like a 2 second inconvenience. Regarding your last paragraph "I never said that the quality of the game was bad because kids played it. I was trying to explain how sales could be so high on an item that is not that great." This is recursive logic, "why is he poor? because he is stupid. Why is he stupid? because he is poor". Lets try to break it down into simpler logic: I personally do not usually follow mainstreem, I do not eat at McDonalds, I do not listen to Britney Spears, I do not watch spongebob. But do I have a right to contradict 10 other people? No, becuase if i did, id be calling them stupid, and thats just wrong. You are entitled to your own opinion, everyone does, and you may say "I dont consider this game because this and this and that". But you can't say "This game is not a good game because I think so and I dont care that 10 other people think otherwise, what do they know". I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Ok. Here we go again. Just going to throw some things out there for you. 1. I don't sit in major cities because there is way to much chat flying by that I can't even keep up with half of it. I was talking about in battle grounds, and questing areas. Have you ever steped into elwynn forest? 2. Gold spammers on that game normally create a level 1toon and go around spamming their advertisements whether is across general trade or in whispers. All they have to do is go and create another toon so ignore really doesn't work. The fact that blizzard is not able to keep them off their game after this long is proof of how bad they are. I can understand it occaisionally happening but it seems like everytime you turn around there's another gold selling spammer in WOW. 3. Half the posts I see in WOW are people that are annoying you and they throw profanities left and right when you can't help them. I've only had this happen in LOTRO once since I started playing the game, and never saw that toon again. I see the same toons running around doing the same things every day on WOW. That's because Blizzard is only worried about making money.
Now I will admit that I misspoke in that one sentence you quoted me in. I meant that only because sales are high doesn't mean its actually a good product. That doesn't mean its a bad product either. The reason I said that was because whenever anyone argues the point that WOW is a good game they say well top sales in a 24 hr period must mean something. I'M HERE TO SAY IT DOESN'T MEAN ITS A GOOD GAME. Doesn't mean its a bad one either.
Now. In my opinion WOW is definatly by no means a good game. Yes I'm saying its a bad game when compared to other games out there. That is my opinion and it is not a bad thing to express it. Yes I can say that my opinion is that its a bad game and i don't care what 10 other people think. Does that make them stupid though? Not by any means. Its just that we agree to disagree on that certain subject, but I have every right to express my opnion. That's exactly what this forum is here for. Do i think that 12 yr olds can make as educated a decision as I can? Nope. Sure don't. Otherwise lets let them run for president. Or let them drink alcohol. There's a reason we don't do that and that's for the very reason I've stated time and again. That can't make an educated decision like an adult can. Its called immaturity.
This will definatly be my last post in regards to anything you say about any of my other posts because if you don't get the point that I'm trying to get across by now then you never will. Quantity does not mean quality. Thank you and good night. |
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