http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/   Seeing as no one has pointed this out yet, the microtransaction model supposedly chosen by EA and Bioware was bad reporting and nothing more.

Originally posted by Heathan

http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/   Seeing as no one has pointed this out yet, the microtransaction model supposedly chosen by EA and Bioware was bad reporting and nothing more.

It was pointed out....mor than one time. People don#t care. They much rather want to cry doom and gloom at this point in time, especially here.

Good point. Wish I hadn't wasted my time trying to educate people.  Speculation is so much easier and doesn't require any of that nasty reading thing.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Heathan

http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/   Seeing as no one has pointed this out yet, the microtransaction model supposedly chosen by EA and Bioware was bad reporting and nothing more.

 

It was pointed out....mor than one time. People don#t care. They much rather want to cry doom and gloom at this point in time, especially here.

Have they actualy said it would be a monthly fee yet? Or are we still left with the back peddling statement that it hasn't been officialy announced yet?

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Heathan

http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/   Seeing as no one has pointed this out yet, the microtransaction model supposedly chosen by EA and Bioware was bad reporting and nothing more.

 

It was pointed out....mor than one time. People don#t care. They much rather want to cry doom and gloom at this point in time, especially here.

Some of us are cynical enough to believe the later "misunderstanding" press release was just a smoke screen after they were deluged with negative press and extremely critical fan reaction.

Considering EA has one of the worst track records of customer service, if not the worst track record of customer service, how can you blame us?

We're talking about a company that forces customers to purchase a game they've already purchased if they try to install it on the same license more than three times.

We're talking about a company that has created some of the most intrusive copyright protection malware which has ever been coded.

We're talking about a company that has absolutely no quality control over it's subsidiaries (has anyone seen the recockulus procedure to install BF2142's booster pack?  Holy shit).

But hey amigo, feel free to believe in and purchase all of the EA products you want.  Fact of the matter is EA's involvement in this title was enough to deter from ever playing this game in the first place...

Good luck with Guild Wars in space.

Originally posted by lkavadas

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Heathan

http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/   Seeing as no one has pointed this out yet, the microtransaction model supposedly chosen by EA and Bioware was bad reporting and nothing more.

 

It was pointed out....mor than one time. People don#t care. They much rather want to cry doom and gloom at this point in time, especially here.

 

Some of us are cynical enough to believe the later "misunderstanding" press release was just a smoke screen after they were deluged with negative press and extremely critical fan reaction.

Considering EA has one of the worst track records of customer service, if not the worst track of customer service, how can you blame us?

We're talking about a company that you forces you to purchase a game you've already purchased if you install your previous more than three times.

We're talking about a company that has created some of the most intrusive copyright protection malware which has ever been coded.

We're talking about a company that has absolutely no quality control over it's subsidaries (has anyone seen the recockulus procedure to install BF2142's booster pack?  Holy shit).

But hey amigo, feel free to believe in and purchase all of the EA products you want.  Fact of the matter is that EA's involvement in this title was enough  to deter from ever playing this game all by itself...

Good luck with Guild Wars in space.

Amigo (boy how good does it feel to say that XD), why post in this forum if you never planned to play the game in the first place? Seriously...that is some time wasted right there.

But anyway, whoever says I am trusting EA? Whoever says I am even going to buy the game when it comes out? Whoever said I will blindly accept what they throw at me?I think I said it 5 times by now. In my opinion, the "interview" was a calculated leak to gauge customer reactions for MT model. That's my take on this, just as good as yours. *smirk*

Does remaining neutral ring a bell? Isn't it the simplest and most sensitive course of action simply to sit back and wait and see what they, in fact, announce? I don't see EA scamming me out of my money...at this time, so I feel rather happy about waiting instead of, and this is what I have been talking about in my first post, going on a rampage and spreading doom and gloom before it happened.

Feel free to distrust EA all you want. I don't trust them either. But I will not, not even after having little to no trust left in the industry, judge a book before it is even printed. I have my reservations, but going on a nerd-rage right now solves...nothing at all, so have fun with that.

@GrayGhost: No, -nothing- has been announced officially. Which is exactly why I find it hilarious to see people already discussing what -exact- method of MT is going to be present, how it will hurt the game and how they will not play the game because it is ruined by said MT. But I really shouldn't be surprised at the people's attitude....they just love complaining and moaning. As I said...especially here.

im just hoping its nothing like EQ2, where you had to pay extra in order to play content in the game that you already bought..ie buy the game, install, level some, pay subscription, then pay extra to be able to run a perticular instance.

Originally posted by MasterCrysis

im just hoping its nothing like EQ2, where you had to pay extra in order to play content in the game that you already bought..ie buy the game, install, level some, pay subscription, then pay extra to be able to run a perticular instance.

 

My understanding is that everything in EQ2 that you'd buy is just fluff -- nothing there that would allow or deny you from doing any instances or other content.  Where'd you get your info?

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

Originally posted by MasterCrysis

im just hoping its nothing like EQ2, where you had to pay extra in order to play content in the game that you already bought..ie buy the game, install, level some, pay subscription, then pay extra to be able to run a perticular instance.

 

 

My understanding is that everything in EQ2 that you'd buy is just fluff -- nothing there that would allow or deny you from doing any instances or other content.  Where'd you get your info?

I think he was refering to EQ2's "Adventure Packs".  SOE had added three (IIRC, might be four) questline instances, with special loot and quest rewards, and charge a small fee for players to access them, on top of the monthly fee.

Originally posted by Heathan

http://www.massively.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/   Seeing as no one has pointed this out yet, the microtransaction model supposedly chosen by EA and Bioware was bad reporting and nothing more.

If you have read the Bioware rep's reply to try and calm things down, he didn't exactly deny ANYTHING either.  Not one single concern was dispelled.

My cynical guess?  They threw the original MT "misunderstanding" out there to see what they can get away with.  They'll still go through with it despite the massive protest.

And you suckers will lap it up like good little dogs.

Originally posted by IAmMMO

Originally posted by Gameloading

Hopefully this will remove the nay sayers who argued micro transactions can't be a successful business model.

  There are already a few micro payment MMO's in place that have reported success There is a dark side to it though. Take MapleStory example. It exploits a very common flaw found in today's society. This flaw is the lack of a natural ability to keep track of spending over the course of many weeks and keep seeing the bigger picture.

  You'll be surprised just how many people will go shopping buy a little here buy a little there all on impulse only seeing the small value of the purchase at the time, then act horrified that all those little purchases amounted to a sum far more expensive than they'd realized. This his how many people start getting themsevles in debt.

  MapleStory even made main stream news as complaints of angry parents flooded in that their kid's had spent hundreds of dollars on the credit card making micro purchases to kit out their character. Younger people are more prone to fall into this trap. These games are designed in such a way that they play to these addictions of human nature not many can control. The result is the monthly cost for playing such a game far exceeds what a standard subscription fee is today if you want to experience all it has to offer.

  Imho it's not a good way to take MMO's or any online gaming genre. Games such as these should be about having fun and being part of a community. It takes away from the game in the long run if you have to micro pay to properly kit your character out. Instead of having players earn it together in the game.

 

 It's a direction in gaming I won't be taking part in. It's not a good direction for gaming in general. I'd rather have a dev team using imagination and creativity to make sure the player has fun on his path to earning something, Not think how he could apply something that would make a player very tempted to part with a RMT. Not the type of games I want to play. It's up to indie developers to carry the creativity flag and hope for gamings future if this is the road the main stream are heading down.

  Totaly agree. But they can do it in a nice way. Only pay for future content like everquest 2 did, you have a new lvl zone for 5$ but i hate the ide that they will have you pay for armor or stuff that makes your charater look good. I dont want to look like a bum just becouse i dont want to pay 5$ for cool hair or even armor.

Originally posted by Mixie

Originally posted by IAmMMO

Originally posted by Gameloading

Hopefully this will remove the nay sayers who argued micro transactions can't be a successful business model.

  There are already a few micro payment MMO's in place that have reported success There is a dark side to it though. Take MapleStory example. It exploits a very common flaw found in today's society. This flaw is the lack of a natural ability to keep track of spending over the course of many weeks and keep seeing the bigger picture.

  You'll be surprised just how many people will go shopping buy a little here buy a little there all on impulse only seeing the small value of the purchase at the time, then act horrified that all those little purchases amounted to a sum far more expensive than they'd realized. This his how many people start getting themsevles in debt.

  MapleStory even made main stream news as complaints of angry parents flooded in that their kid's had spent hundreds of dollars on the credit card making micro purchases to kit out their character. Younger people are more prone to fall into this trap. These games are designed in such a way that they play to these addictions of human nature not many can control. The result is the monthly cost for playing such a game far exceeds what a standard subscription fee is today if you want to experience all it has to offer.

  Imho it's not a good way to take MMO's or any online gaming genre. Games such as these should be about having fun and being part of a community. It takes away from the game in the long run if you have to micro pay to properly kit your character out. Instead of having players earn it together in the game.

 

 It's a direction in gaming I won't be taking part in. It's not a good direction for gaming in general. I'd rather have a dev team using imagination and creativity to make sure the player has fun on his path to earning something, Not think how he could apply something that would make a player very tempted to part with a RMT. Not the type of games I want to play. It's up to indie developers to carry the creativity flag and hope for gamings future if this is the road the main stream are heading down.

  Totaly agree. But they can do it in a nice way. Only pay for future content like everquest 2 did, you have a new lvl zone for 5$ but i hate the ide that they will have you pay for armor or stuff that makes your charater look good. I dont want to look like a bum just becouse i dont want to pay 5$ for cool hair or even armor.

I agree too.

It seems that MMO's are really taking a wrong turn now. A turn I am not going to take part in either.

I also play games for fun!

The monthly subscription fee of 15 bucks was something I could live with and it gave you your moneys worth on great game experience and community feeling.

Having to pay for litterly everything through Micro Transactions.... what is the fun in that? what is left in the game to do? If you don't have to earn anything anymore, but just buy it in the Item Mall or like SOE now calls.. Cash Shop.

At least now I know there will never be a good Star Wars MMO coming out anymore.

And with EA... you know everything turns out in Poison. It proves over and over again what shitty company they are.

Cheers

I actually lost all interest after watching the first video trailer. It doesn't look like anything more then 'fluff'. I see nothing new here just different skins and hundreds of thousands of jedis and whining babies who want to be leet but get hammered in pvp causing the game to be nerfed into oblivion. This game is going to crash and burn.

MT model doesn't bother me. I've been playing a few asian F2P games for a lot of years now. Come to them and leave as I iwsh and don't buy anything unless it makes my playtime less tedious. Soccer ball from the world cup in Flyff is a perfect example. Follows me around and loots all loot within a decent PBAoE radius around my character. Removes need for sucky looting from my playtime. For 4 bucks as a one off buy was worth it imo. Other then that not paid a cent for anything else.

Originally posted by Warmaker

This is great.  Do the F2P supporters really think their wallets will get off easy and still remain somewhat competitive?  Especially in PvP?

EA / Bioware WILL get their money from you.  Not much at first.  Not alot of times at first.  But they WILL hook you and begin to take far more than what you'd pour $15/month with a normal subscription.  Your need will be subtle, and it will build up, and you will eventually shell out the money (eagerly).

And God help you if you want to PvP against guys who shell out money for massive buffs and whatnot, and choose not to buy things from a Cash Shop.

I would say this is the core of MT problem for many gamers. As many other I plan to steer clear of any MT based game if for no other reason that I have no itnention of getting bleed to death with nickles and dimes.

wasnt going to play before and still wont now.

as far as Microtransactions go.  i dont give a toss, i dont pvp and i honestly dont care if someone has the advantage over me anyway (i play for fun not to win).

The game looks good. I would try it. The moment I play and it seems I need to spend money on a micro transaction, that's the moment I cancel my subscription, never to return. Micro transactions suck all the fun out of the game.

 I feel like I could log in, hand the company a thousand bucks, look at all the shiny stuff on my character, say "Wow, that was fun". Log out, and I'm finished with the game.

Sounds like fun right?

I really dont want to go negative on a game that isnt even out yet, but honestly (at this moment in time which could change down the road) it isnt looking to good to me in what I look for in a game.

Maybe I should read more about it, then come and post. But after watching the videos, I am definetly not impressed at this point.

Originally posted by Coir

I actually lost all interest after watching the first video trailer. It doesn't look like anything more then 'fluff'. I see nothing new here just different skins and hundreds of thousands of jedis and whining babies who want to be leet but get hammered in pvp causing the game to be nerfed into oblivion. This game is going to crash and burn.

 

MT model doesn't bother me. I've been playing a few asian F2P games for a lot of years now. Come to them and leave as I iwsh and don't buy anything unless it makes my playtime less tedious. Soccer ball from the world cup in Flyff is a perfect example. Follows me around and loots all loot within a decent PBAoE radius around my character. Removes need for sucky looting from my playtime. For 4 bucks as a one off buy was worth it imo. Other then that not paid a cent for anything else.

One short traier and you come up with all that? This is still in alpha with no timeline for a closed beta. We knwo next to nothing about this game and people are calling crap and saying its the end of the world for mmos.

Also lap it up like little dogs? wtf........

Originally posted by HiGHPLaiNS

I really dont want to go negative on a game that isnt even out yet, but honestly (at this moment in time which could change down the road) it isnt looking to good to me in what I look for in a game.

Maybe I should read more about it, then come and post. But after watching the videos, I am definetly not impressed at this point.

Well pre alpha vids and almost no info can do that.

this game died when boiware got in bed with ea

Originally posted by edmonal

This is the future of online games. Unless you can get the player base that WoW has, you have to find alternate ways of increasing your profit margin. MMOs are now big business, and are following the same historical timelines that computer games have. The difference is that a single player computer game can still be developed by a small independent company or developer, MMOs can't. They are expensive to develop and run, and the costs aren't neccessarily going down. With the reccession here, it's only going to get worst. Companies and Venture Captialists aren't going to fund anything that is "innovative", or different then what is out there.

 

You can argue until you're blue in the face about what people want, but the truth is you don't know what they want. You know what you want, and that's about as far as you can go. People like WoW that is proven, people don't like Tabula Rasa, that's also been proven. Everything else is idle speculation.

 

For a lot of the hardcore posters here, the reality is they may have to look for a different hobby.

The future of online games are MT's....?

Sorry but I fail to believe that this has to be the answer to the so called crisis the industry is in.  People are looking past the bigger issue, and thats the state that these games are in when they hit the market.  If you have a game that is sound, tested, relatively bug-free and unique in the genre... then why the hell can't a subscription service work?  If the game is good to begin with then the revenue should follow suit as well just as it did with WoW.  If the game sucks... well then it will need gimmicks like MT's to help cover its costs.

But thats the point, create a good game that people actually WANT to play and BAM!!! you can expect to see people playing.  Sadly either Bioware realized that SW:KotOR is going to be another failed MMO attempt... or they sadly misinterrepted the market and the potential that a good game can have financially.

Either way, this is sad news in my opinion.

This is gonna be cheap for all Jedi and Sith players.... all you need is a Lightsaber and a loincloth, tadaaa, youre fit for fight.

What people in this thread fail to realize is that the game is no where near done yet.

So... has this been officially confirmed or are they still not completely hopeless in going to with the SMF format?

If micro-transitions are used, I basically lose all hope this game. I really don't know how a person can think MT are an actually feasible business model for a AAA MMO? Yes, it can work for alot of MMOs out there that are low in quality. But with games with an actually decent title, I'd expect something along the lines of the standard monthly fee. With MTs, the game just becomes a matter of who pays the most wins, whereas SMF is based solely on how the game is designed and by the players themselves on who becomes the best of the best.

no business model has been announced yet.