When it comes to passion, resilience and courage - we can't be beaten.

When it comes to customer service, however, we're up there with the French.

What does 'up there with the French' mean in this context, specifically the context of a complex, feature-rich MMO produced by an hitherto unknown European game studio?

Well, that question can best be answered with another question:

Have you ever played Dark & Light by Farlan Entertainment?

I pray I'm wrong.

so the greek can be a-holes?

you seem like happy people to me

so whats the issue with tasos? do you have a section of society that known for raising poopy minds?

"watchu mean you dont eat no meat ~~~"

Oh lay off Tasos, please.  We've got more than our fair share of a-holes in the US, and I think the majority of them are on here posting far more than actually playing games.

Dont the Greeks manipulate stuff...bah wrong subject...

Don't forget rioting!

I actually know a girl that came here from greece to go to school, nice as can be.

People are people. Greeks are no more passionate than any other people, and they're no worse at customer service.

Originally posted by hubertgrove

Have you ever played Dark & Light by Farlan Entertainment?

I pray I'm wrong.

 

tell me more about this Dark & Light thing, it sounds interesting

Originally posted by Gerec

People are people. Greeks are no more passionate than any other people, and they're no worse at customer service.

For you to say that, you've obviously never met an Athenian policeman, a Thessaloniki waitress or a Cypriot plumber. It's obvious you've never travelled and so never experienced local variations in cultural, social and service conventions.

What you understand by 'customer service' is light years away from what a Greek expects - and gets.

Originally posted by Gerec

People are people. Greeks are no more passionate than any other people, and they're no worse at customer service.

As a potential sociology major, I must say that isn't inherently true. Greeks are affected by their culture and their society. It is FAIR to say that "this group of people tends to act this way greater than 50% of the time" if backed up by evidence (surveys, questionaires, etc.). For instance, I'm pretty sure a survey would confirm that Italians use aLOT of hand gestures compared to everyone else, and that black people have a much lower rate of going to college than white people in america.

BUT the thing which you canNOT do is say, just because (I'm sadly not making this up... if my memory works correctly, i hope it does) 3/4 of black men go to jail atleast once in their life, that this CERTAIN black person has gone to jail or this certain group of black people (unless you have the facts to back it up). All those statistics mean is that that black person is pressured(from one source or another) to end up in jail eventually.

If 99% greeks are really good at making video games, the Aventurine devs may be in that 1%, its just that they are very likely to be good at making video games (based on my incredibly accurate estimations) if they followed regular social behaviors.

Ive been to Greece and met no passionate or courageous people there..... they all ran when I did ninja moves in the streets

Originally posted by berniebear

Ive been to Greece and met no passionate or courageous people there..... they all ran when I did ninja moves in the streets

Of course they all ran, he said that greeks were  passionate and courageous, not stupid.

I must admit I don't know what you are talking about as it is

all Greek to me ! 

Originally posted by Gerec

People are people. Greeks are no more passionate than any other people, and they're no worse at customer service.

...Do you live in a bubble or town of 200?  People are different.  I can drive 2 hours north to Chicago and notice a huge difference in the way people act and interact with people.  Yes it's a generalization, not all people in Chicago act a certain way, just like not all greeks are bad at customer service.  But if its the way the culture is, the way they bring up their children, there will be a big difference, generally speaking.

The police should use live rounds?

I may live in a 3rd world country as you claim, but you live in a computer game. You need a good dossage of RL perspective. Then you might realise that a loss of a human life has never been a solution to anything.

Originally posted by IareEatBOAT

 

The police should use live rounds on all of them to cease the chaos, if you throw rocks and firebombs you deserve to get shot tbh.

You do realise that that's what a third country would do? I've been in Greece often. While it hasn't been wealthy as long as the north/western European countries have been, it certainly isn't a third world country.

I love visiting Greece. What an amazing country full of such rich history.

Originally posted by IareEatBOAT

Greece is fucked up, 3rd world country, just look at those riots.

The police should use live rounds on all of them to cease the chaos, if you throw rocks and firebombs you deserve to get shot tbh.

The law in most developped countries is that the police cant fire rounds unless they are fired on. O wait one country thats supposed to be developped doesnt follow that rule: usa.

Sure they could use plastic bullets and M16 to fire at the crowds but then again we dont want no johanesburg riots again.

If they were to fire live rounds hte next step would be martial law, and that doesnt sound good.

When you get to highschool you'll prolly start to understand things a bit better.

When we were all fighting with stones and stick, Greeks had already one of the most beautifull languagues in theworld, they had already invented democracy, they had a lot of full developed cities and an awesome and culture.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece#History

I wish they do the same innovation with Darkfall

Originally posted by doobster

Originally posted by Gerec

People are people. Greeks are no more passionate than any other people, and they're no worse at customer service.

 

...Do you live in a bubble or town of 200?  People are different.  I can drive 2 hours north to Chicago and notice a huge difference in the way people act and interact with people.  Yes it's a generalization, not all people in Chicago act a certain way, just like not all greeks are bad at customer service.  But if its the way the culture is, the way they bring up their children, there will be a big difference, generally speaking.

I'm sorry. I know we're all liberal relativists at heart and we all believe that people are basically the same. Well they may be but people do things differently - and across the eastern Mediterranean and the Agean - customer service has a very different meaning that it does in northern Europe and America. This is simply a fact. I grew up in Athens and now maintain a house in Psemetismenos, Cyprus. I also work in London where I stay nine months of the year. In the UK, when we pay for a product, the expectation is that it will be delivered with courtesy, efficiency and professionalism because we have paid as much for the service as the product; in Greece, we expect that same product will be delivered as and when and how the provider pleases because there is a tendency to believe that only the product is being bought, and that expecting anything more from the provider is a snobbish imposition. Oh, you people are in for an interesting awakening.

Dark and Light, heh......well, DnL is technically the only other RvR MMO out atm besides DAoC and WAR, it had SO much potential, in comparrison it was also developed by a small no named studio, there is so much that could be said really.....I'd just Google it, they were taken to court, they screwed over many a pre-order player, devs were in the "Light" side guilds, and let items into teh game before the Dark side could get them, I mean it goes on and on.  Shame really.......

Back on track, if Darkfall, TCoS, and MortalOnline don't "make it" then we are all doomed to the same old same game for evah, I don't care if teh Greeks are like teh French when it comes to customer service, heh, as the refference isn't applicable, DnL's CSR side of things was handled by a Canadian company anyways, ummm Alchemic Dream

NPCube got sued for basically ripping off code of the VWorld tech, and counter sued, they lost and it was found that they did use VWorld tech in their engine.

Member of  Eurozone a third country ?

Aventurine has always perceive themself as an international team, office language is english.

They maybe outsource CSR / GM team .. to India ?