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Originally posted by Reklaw
It's a rumor in the same manner that the MMO was based on Star Wars, after EA's CEO let it slip. It is something that is much more subject to change than the game's IP, but I don't have much hope that it will. I guess we'll have to wait until February to find out.
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Originally posted by Reklaw
This is not a denial. This is corporation speak. -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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A reaction of J.S himself which kinda answers OP, ALL SOE games will get it SC....in time..... "Over time we want Station Cash to be used for a lot of cool stuff (including subscriptions at some point). That will include things like getting a photo of your guild physically mailed to you, or a t-shirt of your character. We want it to be our currency across all our games. It really isn't a radical change in direction from our perspective. EQ and EQ 2 are not going to switch to being microtransaction based games. We're just adding some additional cool things players can do." full > http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/50988 in short they are adding ANOTHER business model ON TOP of a already excisting business model. ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Originally posted by Suvroc
Hey keep toting the company line and earn your shill checks! If that announcement is true at least EA had the balls to say it upfront, instead of how SOE does buisness by just dropping it on thier playerbase without notice Ala the NGE!
My guess is Obraik is more optomistic about how this news relates to SWG then Smed is. I'll guarantee that Smed is scared stiff by this announcement as we all know that he believes this is the future of MMO's. More amusing actually ;) Not that it really matters to me, every announcement about TOR so far as shown me that it's probably not going to be a game I'll enjoy.
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Originally posted by Valeran
This is not a denial. This is corporation speak.
Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2 I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com |
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Originally posted by Obraik
My guess is Obraik is more optomistic about how this news relates to SWG then Smed is. I'll guarantee that Smed is scared stiff by this announcement as we all know that he believes this is the future of MMO's. More amusing actually ;) Not that it really matters to me, every announcement about TOR so far as shown me that it's probably not going to be a game I'll enjoy.
Why not? The stuff released about it so far makes it look like it's the game of every NGE player's dreams. Except that it will all likely work much better...
Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2 I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com |
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Originally posted by salvaje
Erm, no, according to EA they haven't "officially" announced anything ;)
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We had the same discussion when SOE released "Legends of Norrath". That time they really did a verion foe SWG, they will this time too, unless so many players quit those games that they loose a lot of cash. In that case Smedleys head is finally going to roll. |
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Originally posted by Obraik
Erm, no, according to EA they haven't "officially" announced anything ;)
Well they did put it out there. And so far the reaction has been very negative. The nice thing is we get to find out who we are dealing with NOW rather than after the game is released and they start with the "switch" which follows the "bait" like SOE did with SWG. Simply put, after the negative reaction to RMT "macrotranscam" as the business model for SWTOR, if they release it that way then you know that they are going to manage in the SOE bonheaded stupidity method. Simply don't buy the game. At least we know they are considering this. Unlike EQ/EQ2 players who logged in one day with no notice to find out that their game had gone RMT. Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2 I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com |
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Originally posted by Obraik
In what way Obraik? If it does turn out to be microtransaction based?
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Originally posted by salvaje
My guess is Obraik is more optomistic about how this news relates to SWG then Smed is. I'll guarantee that Smed is scared stiff by this announcement as we all know that he believes this is the future of MMO's. More amusing actually ;) Not that it really matters to me, every announcement about TOR so far as shown me that it's probably not going to be a game I'll enjoy.
Why not? The stuff released about it so far makes it look like it's the game of every NGE player's dreams. Except that it will all likely work much better...
Um, no. If that were the case then any of the other MMO's released over the last few years would have interested me. I play SWG not only for the combat side but due to the unrestricted maps, unrestricted choices of playstyle (although not as unrestricted as it once was), crafting, space, the ability to NOT be the hero, plus alot more. So no, I guess I'm not a NGE player and just a SWG player ;)
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Originally posted by Obraik
Heh, was about to post that. SOE is still the evil one though, right? :|
At least EA/Bioware didn't blatanly lie to its customers about it like Smedly did. I'd like to hear your defence of Smed regarding doing the complete opposite of what he said wasn't going to happen with EQ2. "Originally Posted by Smed [View Post] We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers. John Smedley |
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Originally posted by Ginaz
At least EA/Bioware didn't blatanly lie to its customers about it like Smedly did. I'd like to hear your defence of Smed regarding doing the complete opposite of what he said wasn't going to happen with EQ2. "Originally Posted by Smed [View Post] We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers. John Smedley Why do I care about EQ2?
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Originally posted by Obraik
At least EA/Bioware didn't blatanly lie to its customers about it like Smedly did. I'd like to hear your defence of Smed regarding doing the complete opposite of what he said wasn't going to happen with EQ2. "Originally Posted by Smed [View Post] We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers. John Smedley Why do I care about EQ2? Are you serious? Maybe because Smedly runs swg too and this sort of thing will come to swg as well. Are you really that dense that you can't see that? Can you not even acknowledge that Smed lied to his customers again? Good lord. You are incredible. |
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Shayde
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Joined: 9/26/05
The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed NOW you realize that! - Shayde |
Hey.. as long as their check clears, Smed's A-OK to Obriak. Shayde - SWG (dead)
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Originally posted by Ginaz Why do I care about EQ2? Are you serious? Maybe because Smedly runs swg too and this sort of thing will come to swg as well. Are you really that dense that you can't see that? Can you not even acknowledge that Smed lied to his customers again? Good lord. You are incredible.
Obraik doesn't dare speak negatively about $OE or the tool that runs it. It may put a chink in his armor of denial.
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Originally posted by Ginaz Why do I care about EQ2? Are you serious? Maybe because Smedly runs swg too and this sort of thing will come to swg as well. Are you really that dense that you can't see that? Can you not even acknowledge that Smed lied to his customers again? Good lord. You are incredible. Technically no, Smed doesn't run SWG. LucasArts are the ones that would make the final decision on that. When did Smed make that statement? Was it recently or 2 years ago? If it was the later then you can't really call it a lie...
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Originally posted by Obraik Why do I care about EQ2? Are you serious? Maybe because Smedly runs swg too and this sort of thing will come to swg as well. Are you really that dense that you can't see that? Can you not even acknowledge that Smed lied to his customers again? Good lord. You are incredible. When did Smed make that statement? Was it recently or 2 years ago? If it was the later then you can't really call it a lie...
LOL...I would love to hear your reasoning so please do tell. -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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So a lie isn't a lie if it was told long enough ago? And Smed doing something to EQ has nothing to do with SWG? HA! The TCG came to EQ before SWG... Sorry, Obi, that's about the lamest defense of SOE ever, you can do better than that. It's not like Smed made another announcement where he says that RMT is coming, and extolled the virtues of it. No, like a thief in the night it suddenly and without notice APPEARED on EQ/EQ2, no pre announcement, one day it wasn't there, next day it was. Oh, and this was done just 3 weeks after releasing and CHARGING players for... AN EXPANSION! Yay! SOE's done this before haven't they? There are already calls for SOE to refund the expansion to players who wouldn't have bought it if they'd known that RMT was coming to all EQ2 servers. Fat chance. But it still proves that Smed and SOE haven't learned ONE DAMN THING from all their past mistakes and PR disasters. A tiger is a tiger. Don't complain when he bites your hand off. A liar is a liar. Don't complain when he lies to you NOW when he's lied so many times in the past.
Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2 I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com |
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Originally posted by salvaje Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable.
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Originally posted by Obraik Why do I care about EQ2? Are you serious? Maybe because Smedly runs swg too and this sort of thing will come to swg as well. Are you really that dense that you can't see that? Can you not even acknowledge that Smed lied to his customers again? Good lord. You are incredible. Technically no, Smed doesn't run SWG. LucasArts are the ones that would make the final decision on that. When did Smed make that statement? Was it recently or 2 years ago? If it was the later then you can't really call it a lie... Technically, yes, Smed does run swg since its an soe game. LA probably has a say on content but most likely not so much on the service provider side. Besides, if this RMT stuff can make LA some money as well, I don't see them resisting much so long as they get a cut of the money. As far as I know Smed's statement was made only a few months ago. I'm not really that invested enough in this to search for it but I'm sure someone else can find it. Regardless, a lie is a lie, no matter when you told it.
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Originally posted by Obraik Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable. Because its not like Smed and soe have a history of not telling their customers about upcoming changes to their games, right? |
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Originally posted by Obraik Why do I care about EQ2? Are you serious? Maybe because Smedly runs swg too and this sort of thing will come to swg as well. Are you really that dense that you can't see that? Can you not even acknowledge that Smed lied to his customers again? Good lord. You are incredible. Technically no, Smed doesn't run SWG. LucasArts are the ones that would make the final decision on that. When did Smed make that statement? Was it recently or 2 years ago? If it was the later then you can't really call it a lie...
Seriously, no one disputes your right to like the game, but your defense of the indefensible and repeated attempts to justify what amounts to outright lies by JS and SOE are just galling. A lie is a lie, there is no statute of limitations on lying. Give us a break already. S |
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Originally posted by Obraik Well, how far into the future do you require people to be able to predict? If the statement was made 2 years ago then it's quite likely he didn't know they'd be doing this. I don't follow EQ/2 news since I have no interest in that game but if an announcement wasn't made in a timely manner to let people know this was coming then yes, I'd consider it to be questionable. There was no timely notice. In fact, there was NO notice at all. One day it was simply THERE. Which is how SOE does things, they hide changes that are sure to be unpopular so that they can't be discussed before they are suddenly "here to stay". In some ways they topped the NGE for suddenness and lack of notice here, at least we knew 2 weeks beforehand. Smed has ethics like Illinois govenors. With apologies to the Govenor of Illinois for comparing his ethics to Smed. Now, will you condemn this action and for once admit that SOE did a bad thing? Or will your defense of a totally indefensible action "fall back to the next excuse line"? Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2 I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com |
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Originally posted by Obraik
The statement was made a year ago, during a discussion of the TCG game being RMT for the non Exchange EQ and EQ2 servers. The RMT system was patched into the game during server maintenance and the first it was mentioned was in the patch notes. The feedback thread on the official forums was posted before any information about the RMT system was posted (many of the initial posts in the thread were asking what the whole thing was and the 'community relations' guy posted that they would have the information up soon. It was beyond questionable, especially considering it was done so soon after the EQ and EQ2 expansions were released. This is the exact type of behavior that SOE was supposed to have learned a lesson from when they dumped the NGE on the SWG playerbase, at least that is what they have been saying for the past three years.
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